Created By: ChrisX on May 15, 2013 Last Edited By: MorningStar1337 on June 24, 2013
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Hope Crusher

A villain who delights in spreading despair.

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Hopes are worth DIRT!! I'm going to destroy EVERYTHING!!

This world is nothing but lies, LIES, LIES, LIES!! Allow me to show you the one truth, the truth I'd like to call DESPAIR!!
--Terumi Yuuki, BlazBlue

We know the Despair Event Horizon is a line when someone crosses it, then they lost all hope. The crosser might still be a good person, or take a turn to evil. However, not all who crossed it will be deemed as evil.

Not these guys.

These guys love the sense of despair. When other people lose hope, they take pleasure in it. It's not necessarily that they'll push them into despair (although they may as well overlap with the pusher); however, they will cherish the feelings of despair of many people around them, especially when directed to them. They might not be Emotion Eaters, but they sure feel good when people around them despair. Since the sense of despair is something people wanted to avoid at all cost, when they see someone who likes despair so much, they'll know that person is evil.

Their favorite line will be "Fall into despair!" or any variations thereof. They will be very fond of the Despair Gambit tactic.

Very often, they'll give a Hope Spot to their victims, and then yank it away as the last seconds, mostly thinking that despair is at its finest when the last ray of hope is destroyed right in front of their eyes. If they would instill Hope Is Scary, the merrier, that'll make people turn towards despair instead! Has a very high chance to become a Complete Monster, since one is more likely to have the mindset of For the Evulz to be one (but not always, as this is also often seen in Generic Doomsday Villain).

Don't expect them to enjoy their own despair, though. Mostly.

There are also some villains that believe that despair is necessary, and don't seek pleasure in destroying hopes and dreams, but do so because they think they have to.

To note: This isn't Despair Event Horizon (but related). That's about a line that when crossed by someone, that someone loses all hope. An event or sorts. This trope is about someone who delights in seeing people crossing that horizon, and occasionally makes his modus operandi to make everyone fall into despair, thus a good indication that he's a villain.

Contrast with Hope Bringer and Hope Springs Eternal. Also compare with Sadist, someone who delights in someone else's pain and suffering, but the Hope Crusher can occasionally overlap with how they dislike the concept of hope and likes it better when their victims are pushed into the depths of despair. Can also overlap with those who believe that Dystopia Justifies the Means.

Examples:

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[[folder:Anime And Manga]]
  • Many of a Pretty Cure villain use this modus operandi, liking despair of men. Examples include Northa, Joker, Kawarino.
    • The Big Bad of Yes! Pretty Cure 5, Despariah, usually sat on her throne with the goal of obtaining the Dream Collet to obtain immortality, then finally shroud the people in despair. In the end, she subverts this by showing absolute fear over how the Cures won't despair no matter what. Realizing that despair is not the answer, she pulls a Heel–Face Turn.
  • Naruto: Pain lost everything he loved in the constant wars that ravaged his home country of Amegakure. This led him to grow into a cynical nihilist who goes to great lengths to teach his enemies to feel pain. This includes crushing every bit of hope they have left.
    Konan: He [Naruto] will become the bridge that leads us to peace! And I will be a support, holding the bridge up! [...] It doesn't matter if I'm scattered to the wind! I will stop y-
    Tobi: You called me the darkness, didn't you? Then I will make you wilt... I will take your little rainbow bridge and its seven colors and plunge it all into darkness! When my illusion ends, so will your life.
  • Ms. Chono from the Yu-Gi-Oh! manga lives to crush the hearts of men, and delights in expelling students on technicalities.
  • In a subverted way, Kyubey of Puella Magi Madoka Magica. His goal is to stop the heat death of the universe, by making young girls make a contract with him, become Puella Magi, in which they will be doomed to despair, furthering him further to the aforementioned goal. Kyubey doesn't necessarily enjoy the role, but he's unabashed in driving girls in despair, as he thinks that having emotions to think that despair is bad... is a mental defect. But on that revelation, we all know that Kyubey is the closest thing the series got for Big Bad.
  • The goal of the Anti-Spiral, the ultimate Big Bad in Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, is to eliminate Spiral Power, which is derived from hope and courage, in hopes of preventing the Spiral Nemesis from destroying the universe. As such, they deliberately fight just beyond their opponents' abilities and dispense plenty of Hope Spots before snatching victory away in the cruelest, most unfair way possible with the aim of destroying their will to fight.
  • Magic Knight Rayearth: The anime-only Big Bad of the second half is one of these. Not only does she want to destroy Cephiro, she wants its citizens to completely lose their hope of salvation while she's at it. This is because she is a being that was created by their extreme fear and despair after the death of their Pillar.
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[[folder:Comic Books]]
  • Marvel Comics has D'Spayre, an Anthropomorphic Personification who both induces and feeds off the emotion of despair.
  • My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (IDW): The Nightmare Forces gave everypony in Ponyville nightmares and in issue 5 used the nightmares to kidnap Rarity in her sleep and convinced her that she will be forgotten and replaced so that they can force her to become the new Nightmare Moon. Issue 6 also has the nightmare forces trying to break Luna (and give the other ponies nightmares as well, but they broke through that). And in issue 8, the Nightmare Forces try this again with Luna, but fail.
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[[folder:Film]]
  • Rise of the Guardians has main villain Pitch, whose goal is to grow more powerful by spreading despair amongst the children of the world.
  • Palpatine from George Lucas' Star Wars excels at this. First, he completes Anakin Skywalker's turn to the Dark Side by telling him that the Jedi Knights have turned against him, and murdered his pregnant wife. Much later, he implements the same tactic upon Luke Skywalker by showing him the rebel fleet in a Curb-Stomp Battle, and that his close friends are horribly outnumbered on the Endor moon.
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[[folder:Light Novel]] [[/folder]]

[[folder:Literature]]
  • In The Pendragon Adventure, Saint Dane doesn't just want to beat Bobby, he wants to beat Bobby right after Bobby think's he's won - which he does on several occasions.
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[[folder:Live-Action TV]]
  • Many Kamen Rider villains are also pretty fond of this modus operandi.
    • Kamen Rider Wizard has this as specifically the bad guy's job - find Gates (victim of the week) and destroy their hopes and dreams or something they love. The despair causes the victim to become a new Phantom.
    • In a rare heroic example, Kamen Rider Accel's catchphrase is "Despair awaits you at the end".
  • Villain Protagonist Francis Underwood of House of Cards seems to take some pleasure in this, even though he doesn't generally do it for its own sake but as part of his schemes. For example, in one of his asides, after he sets Peter Russo up to fall off the wagon and end his political career with a drunken radio interview, he says with some relish "it takes just ten seconds to crush a man's ambitions." Other remarks he's made similarly indicate that he takes some pleasure in being ruthless and destroying people or "discarding" people he's done using.
    • Also where he quietly tells the deranged homeless man trying to get into the congressional offices: "Nobody can hear you. Nobody cares about you. Nothing will come of this." That seemed pointlessly cruel even if he was a risk to security.
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[[folder:Tabletop Games]]
  • Nurgle, the embodiment of despair in Warhammer and Warhammer 40K, is strengthened whenever large amounts of people start feeling it (his opposite god is the embodiment of hope), so naturally his followers tend towards this. Ironic, given that Nurgle and many of his followers are Affably Evil while Tzeentch and his followers tend to be cruel manipulative Trolls.
  • The Fall of New York setting supplement for Fast Company, the action rules for the JAGS system, features Dr. Nothing, a Psycho Psychotherapist who specializes in crushing the dreams of those who seek to make a difference in the Wretched Hive that New York has become. In addition to his skills as Fast Company (which makes him as Badass as any player character), he likes to Break Them by Talking as well as other dirty social tricks.
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[[folder:Video Games]]
  • Perfectio from Super Robot Wars Destiny, as an Emotion Eater of negative emotions, likes despair the most. To make matters worse, he has a circular wave that will plunge any caught in it into despair, usually via the sheer power he exudes as a Nigh Invulnerable Eldritch Abomination
  • Terumi Yuuki from BlazBlue is an unabashed Troll who goes out of his way to make everyone around him miserable, as it's what he counts as 'interesting'. A reason was he thinks that despair is the only truth there is, it, along with hatred towards him, empowers him, and he's hell bent to make it to be the sole accepted truth of the world, claiming that everything else are lies.
  • Final Fantasy VI: The goal of Big Bad Kefka isn't just world destruction, it's to completely break the spirit of everyone who lives in it too. He can't understand why people strive for hope and good feeling against impossible odds, especially when time destroys all things.
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[[folder:Visual Novel]]
  • This is the modus operandi of Super High-School Level Despair in Dangan Ronpa. The true mastermind behind Monobear, Junko Enoshima, takes the concept to its extreme by being obsessed with her own despair as much as anyone else's: she's thrilled when her plans are thwarted, because it means she can inflict the ultimate despair on herself.
  • Bernkastel from Umineko no Naku Koro ni is a Troll comparable to Terumi in terms of cruelty (and if Umineko were more widespread would equal or even surpass him in notoriety) that takes absolute delight in the despair she sows.
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[[folder:Web Comics]]
  • Eridan Ampora from Homestuck, whose title is Prince of Hope. Don't let the title fool you, the Prince class is a destroyer of/through its aspect, and so Eridan is literally a destroyer of hope. Proving the point, after the trolls were denied entrance into the new universe they had created, Eridan took away their last hope for restoring their race by destroying the matriorb.
  • The cubi of clan Seme in Amber Panyko Williams' Dan and Mab's Furry Adventures feed upon the emotion of despair. Since cubi can exert some amount of Thought Control, clan Seme can create the despair upon which they feed.
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[[folder:Western Animation]]
  • My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic: King Sombra, the villain of "The Crystal Empire". He's more of a looming threat than a directly active villain, but despair is a recurring motif with him. His former subjects suffer from depression. One of the traps in his castle is a Lotus-Eater Machine that sticks you inside your worst nightmare, to induce you to just give up. And Sombra's downfall comes when his former subjects use a big crystal to literally weaponize their hope against him.
    • Discord in The Return of Harmony had corrupted the rest of the mane 6 and let them become such JerkAsses that Twilight just gives up on trying to save Equestria.
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Indexes: Villains, Sadness Tropes. Is This Tropable?? Should We Have This??
Community Feedback Replies: 64
  • May 16, 2013
    Ryusui
    The big problem with the trope name is that it suggests "not all people who love to inflict despair are evil." What you've got here is an unabashed villain trope, and I suggest we call it The Hope Crusher.

    • This is the modus operandi of Super High-School Level Despair in Dangan Ronpa. The true mastermind behind Monobear, Junko Enoshima, takes the concept to its extreme by being obsessed with her own despair as much as anyone else's: she's thrilled when her plans are thwarted, because it means she can inflict the ultimate despair on herself.
  • May 16, 2013
    ChrisX
    I'll take Hope Crusher as an alternate names. But I really would prefer that the name has 'Despair' in it. Any ideas for that?

    I'm not sure how 'Liking Despair Is Evil' suggests 'not everyone does'... care to explain?

    Also added another example.
  • May 16, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    Hope Crusher definitely describes this better than the current title... Also, you should probably mention Hope Spot and Hope Is Scary somewhere in the description.
  • May 16, 2013
    ChrisX
    Right, changed into Hope Crusher, the laconic definition, adding those two stuffs... And it inspires me to put a new example.
  • May 16, 2013
    legendofhugh
    You mention tokusatsu - currently running Kamen Rider Wizard has this as specifically the bad guy's job - find Gates (victim of the week) and destroy their hopes and dreams or something they love. The despair causes the victim to become a new Phantom (Monster of the Week)
  • May 16, 2013
    Chabal2
    Nurgle, the embodiment of despair in Warhammer and Warhammer 40 K, is strengthened whenever large amounts of people start feeling it (his opposite god is the embodiment of hope), so naturally his followers tend towards this.
  • May 16, 2013
    ChrisX
    I wonder if we could also begin with an opening quote. While I'm tempted to use Terumi's despair rant... Like,

    This world is nothing but lies, LIES, LIES, LIES!! Allow me to show you the one truth, the truth I'd like to call DESPAIR!!
    --Terumi Yuuki, Blaz Blue

    What do you think of using the aforementioned "Favorite Line" and make it like

    Fall into despair!
    --Everyone in this page, mostly

    Well?
  • May 17, 2013
    captainpat
    See Handling Spoilers. Those two examples blanketed by spoiler text are useless to readers unfamiliar with the those. Also when writing a trope description it's best to start by example what your trope is first.
  • May 17, 2013
    lalalei2001
    • Ms. Chono from the Yu Gi Oh manga lives to crush the hearts of men, and delights in expelling students on technicalities.
  • May 17, 2013
    ChrisX
    Well I've shortened the spoilers.

    I wonder how this will differ to Straw Nihilist though.
  • May 18, 2013
    randomsurfer
    In The Pendragon Adventure Saint Dane doesn't just want to beat Bobby, he wants to beat Bobby right after Bobby think's he's won - which he does on several occasions.
  • May 18, 2013
    azul120
    Would Johan Liebert from Monster count?
  • May 18, 2013
    TwoGunAngel
    Oh yes. IN SPADES.

    • The goal of the Anti-Spirals, the ultimate Big Bad in Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, is to eliminate Spiral Power, which is derived from hope and courage, in hopes of preventing the Spiral Nemesis from destroying the universe. As such, they deliberately fight just beyond their opponents' abilities and dispense plenty of Hope Spots before snatching victory away in the cruelest, most unfair way possible with the aim of destroying their will to fight.
  • May 18, 2013
    ArgentumUranium
    Eridan Ampora from Homestuck, whose title is Prince of Hope. Don't let that get you fooled, the Prince class is a destroyer of/through its aspect, and so Eridan is literally a destroyer of hope. Proving the point, after the trolls were denied entrance into the new universe they had created, Eridan took away their last hope for restoring their race by destroying the matriorb.
  • May 20, 2013
    ChrisX
    YKTTW Bump. Also... can anyone tweak around Johan's entry so it doesn't look like a Zero Context Example?
  • May 21, 2013
    Prfnoff
    I'll just say for now that this looks like a good idea for a trope.
  • May 21, 2013
    Generality
    Standard user of the Despair Gambit (though, honestly, these are so similar I'm not sure we need both).
  • May 21, 2013
    ChrisX
    Despair Gambit is when someone to use despair in order to break the target's willpower. It's a strategy/planning index

    This trope is about a character who personally likes despair, and likes to crush hopes and such. It's a characterization trope. A character/villain characterized by their preference towards despair and tendency to drive people to it.
  • May 23, 2013
    ChrisX
    YKTTW Bump!
  • May 26, 2013
    MetaFour
    Obligatory possibly-shoehorned My Little Pony:

    • My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic: King Sombra, the villain of "The Crystal Empire". He doesn't have much on-screen personality (he's more of a looming threat than a directly active villain) but despair is a recurring motif with him. His former subjects suffer from depression. One of the traps in his castle is a Lotus Eater Machine that sticks you inside your worst nightmare, to induce you to just give up. And Sombra's downfall comes when his former subjects use a big crystal to literally weaponize their hope against him.
  • May 26, 2013
    xanderiskander
    We also have Sadist for characters who take pleasure in making others suffer (both emotionally and physically). To be honest I don't really see much of a difference between them.
  • May 26, 2013
    ChrisX
    Sadists might not always use despair as a modus operandi, though. While they do like making people suffer emotionally and physically, the Hope Crusher is more meant about both how these guys hates the concept of hope and delights in crushing them... and also a good indication that should they say something in line that his good opponents should just fall into despair, it's an indication that this guy's a villain. The Hope Crusher tries to make people give up all hope instead of merely inflicting pain.
  • May 31, 2013
    ChrisX
    YKTTW Bump...
  • May 31, 2013
    Quag15
    Can you organize your examples a little bit better? Using the [[AC Medium]] and all that.
  • May 31, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^^ Alright I can see that. There's still the problem that it reads exactly like the Sadist when it emphasizes that they take satisfaction from their "despair". I'd suggest you tone that down. The description should also explain the difference between both tropes, and emphasize that this type of character despises anytime when a character has any kind of "hope" and solely acts the way he does to crush it out of them for that reason. Instead of emphasizing gaining satisfaction from their emotional pain. read "despair". that seems like it's optional.

    This seems like a subtrope of the Sadist to me now that I understand it better. I also have an example.

    Light Novel
    • Accel World: Dusk Taker's entire character arc drives around crushing the hopes and spirit of Silver Crow, and the heroes by stealing their powers, one of their new teammates, and using blackmail to put them past their Despair Event Horizon so that it looks like it's impossible for them to win.
  • May 31, 2013
    Synchronicity
    • Rise Of The Guardians has main villain Pitch, whose goal is to grow more powerful by spreading despair amongst the children of the world.
  • June 2, 2013
    CrankyStorming
  • June 2, 2013
    omeganian
  • June 2, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    Anime And Manga
    • Naruto: Pain lost everything he loved in the constant wars that ravaged his home country of Amegakure. This led him to grow into a cynical Straw Nihilist who goes to great lengths to teach his enemies to feel pain. This includes crushing every bit of hope they have left.
      Konan: He [Naruto] will become the bridge that leads us to peace! and I will be a support, holding the bridge up! [...] It doesn't matter if I'm scattered to the wind! I will stop y-
      Obito: You called me the darkness, didn't you? Then I will make you wilt... I will take your little rainbow bridge and its seven colors and plunge it all into darkness. When my illusion ends, so will your life.
  • June 3, 2013
    TwoGunAngel
    • The Fall of New York setting supplement for Fast Company, the action rules for the JAGS system, features Dr. Nothing, a Psycho Psychotherapist who specializes in crushing the dreams of those who seek to make a difference in the Wretched Hive that New York has become. In addition to his skills as Fast Company (which makes him as Badass as any player character), he likes to Break Them By Talking as well as other dirty social tricks.
  • June 3, 2013
    ChrisX
    I've arranged the folders and also put in an alternate Laconic definition. Do you think it's necessary to add in that for these guys, there's no way they can be heroes at any definition?
  • June 11, 2013
    ChrisX
    YKTTW Bump here...
  • June 12, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    ^^ I'd use something like "villainous character". I can easily imagine a situation where an Anti Hero who falls in the deep end of the Sliding Scale Of Anti Heroes could do this, but what I can't imagine is a situation where that wouldn't come up as What The Hell Hero or Kick The Dog moment.

    EDIT: No, wait, there probably isn't an Anti Hero who would do this regularly enought to qualify for this trope. Nevermind.
  • June 19, 2013
    WeAreAllKosh
    Live-Action TV

    • Villain Protagonist Francis Underwood of House of Cards seems to take some pleasure in this, even though he doesn't generally do it for its own sake but as part of his schemes. For example, in one of his asides, after he sets Peter Russo up to fall off the wagon and end his political career with a drunken radio interview, he says with some relish "it takes just ten seconds to crush a man's ambitions." Other remarks he's made similarly indicate that he takes some pleasure in being ruthless and destroying people or "discarding" people he's done using.
      • Also where he quietly tells the deranged homeless man trying to get into the congressional offices: "Nobody can hear you. Nobody cares about you. Nothing will come of this." That seemed pointlessly cruel even if he was a risk to security.
  • June 19, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    Another possibly-shoehorned MLP example may be Discord.

    • Discord in The Return of Harmony had corrupted the rest of the mane 6 and let them become such JerkAsses that Twilight just gives up on trying to save Equestria.
  • June 19, 2013
    SKJAM
  • June 19, 2013
    magnum12
    • Bernkastel from Umineko No Naku Koro Ni is a Troll comparable to Terumi in terms of cruelty (and if Umineko were more widespread would equal or even surpass him in notoriety) that absolutely takes delight in the despair she sows.
  • June 20, 2013
    GKaiser
    In a rare heroic example, Kamen Rider Accel's catchphrase is "Despair awaits you at the end".
  • June 20, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    Added a pot link to the ''other' half of the episode. (The Crystal Empire was a 2-parter) And because Sombra's magic Room101 door tried to got Twilight to suffer thought her worst nightmare. (didn't ad that part)

    And speaking of FIM and Nightmares I ahve found another example (This time it goes in comics)

    • My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic IDW: The Nightmare Forces gave everypony in Ponyville nightmares and in issue 5 used the nightmares to kidnap Rarity in her sleep so that they can force her to become the new Nightmare Moon. Issue 6 also has the nightmare forces trying to break Luna (and give the other ponies nightmares as well). And in issue 8, the Nightmare Forces try this again with Luna, but fail.

  • June 20, 2013
    eowynjedi
    Video Games:
    • Final Fantasy VI: The goal of Big Bad Kefka isn't just world destruction, it's to completely break the spirit of everyone who lives in it too. He can't understand why people strive for hope and good feeling against impossible odds, especially when time destroys all things.

    Anime and Manga:
    • Magic Knight Rayearth: The anime-only Big Bad of the second half is one of these. Not only does she want to destroy Cephiro, she wants its citizens to completely lose their hope of salvation while she's at it. This is because she is a being that was created by their extreme fear and despair after the death of their Pillar.
  • June 21, 2013
    magnum12
    I'd add in that Nurgle followers tend towards Affably Evil. In major contrast with Tzeentchites who are invariably uber nasty Trolls.
  • June 21, 2013
    oneuglybunny
    Webcomics
    • The cubi of clan Seme in Amber Panyko Williams' Dan And Mabs Furry Adventures feed upon the emotion of despair. Since cubi can exert some amount of Thought Control, clan Seme can create the despair upon which they feed.

    Film
    • Palpatine from George Lucas' Star Wars excels at this. First, he completes Anakin Skywalker's turn to the Dark Side by telling him that the Jedi Knights have turned against him, and murdered his pregnant wife. Much later, he implements the same tactic upon Luke Skywalker by showing him the rebel fleet in a Curb Stomp Battle, and that his close friends are horribly outnumbered on the Endor moon.
  • June 21, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    I've added the examples from House of Cards to Star Wars.
  • June 22, 2013
    MorningStar1337
  • June 22, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    Bumping for examples and hats.
  • June 22, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    Still need 3 hats.
  • June 22, 2013
    oneuglybunny
    Okay, down to two hats. Y' might wanna Wiki-word Thought Control in the Webcomic example.
  • June 23, 2013
    Lyendith
    Is the "taking pleasure" part of the description a requirement? Because some examples listed, like Pain or the Anti-Spirals, make a point of crushing all hope but only because they deem it necessary, not because they take pleasure in it (Pain, at least, certainly doesn't).
  • June 23, 2013
    ChrisX
    I think more or less that Pain and Anti-Spirals wouldn't count... As in, they have to enjoy it or at least be unabashed in it. The description could be changed this way.
  • June 23, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^^^ Thought Control isn't a trope. That's why I'd un-Wiki Worded it in the example.

    ^ I think I can change the description for you.
  • June 23, 2013
    MetaFour
    "Do you think it's necessary to add in that for these guys, there's no way they can be heroes at any definition?"

    Strong Sad from Strong Bads Cool Game For Attractive People isn't a villain, even though he's an antagonist. He's just really, really depressed and depressing.
  • June 23, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    I removed the Strong sad example. The nature so this trope is for someone to willingly and actively cause despair. I haven't seen Homestar Runner but to me, Strong Sad seems depressed and bored, not sadistic or feeling like hope needs to be extinguished.
  • June 23, 2013
    ChrisX
    Hey what of the opening quote possibility? I suggested the candidates above.
  • June 23, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^ I like the Terumione and sadded it. Any other quotes should go to Quotes Wiki if it launches.

    Spaking of which. Can I Launch when it gets one more hat?
  • June 23, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    Also do you have any image suggestions?
  • June 24, 2013
    ChrisX
    I have no image suggestion. But one more hat means you can publish.

    But am I allowed to add a hat, considering I'm the creator and all?
  • June 24, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    Well, there's nothing in the programing that could stop you. I'd added a hat to my Benevolent Mage Ruler YKTTW.
  • June 24, 2013
    ChrisX
    I think to comply with the theme of Hope Crusher, I'm going to add a Kefka quote in tandem with Terumi's. Terumi is about promoting despair, and Kefka is about destroying sense of hope. I think it matches. Once I got the OK on this, I'll give my hat.

    Hopes are worth DIRT!! I'm going to destroy EVERYTHING!!
  • June 24, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^Fair enough. I've specified on the IDW MLP example.
  • June 24, 2013
    DRCEQ
    "Johan Leibert from Monster"

    ... Zero Context Example.
  • June 24, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    Yeah, can some specify on why he's a Hope Crusher. Not all Complete Monsters revel in spreading despair (Most do, but not all) and confusing the two would be misuse.
  • June 24, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^^ I've removed the Monster example, due to lack of context.
  • June 24, 2013
    ChrisX
    Well there's the last hat.
  • June 24, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    Than I shall lanuch this YKTTW.
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