Created By: buckmana on May 20, 2017 Last Edited By: buckmana on May 23, 2017
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Public Hater, Private Fan

Someone says they hate a franchise, but they secretly are a fan

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A character spends a significant amount of time telling another character that their favorite inuniverse fictional franchise is completely idiotic and cites examples. At no point does it ever occur to wonder how exactly the detractor is so well informed.

Then they make a verbal gaff, making a reference only a fan would know. Revealing that despite professing to hate the franchise, they were a fan all along. Usually followed by a lame attempt to pass off their knowledge as casual interest. Nobody believes them.

Contrast Closet Geek where the fan simply hides their interest as opposed to pretending to hate the franchise.

Examples

Anime and Manga
  • In Eromanga Sensei, Masamune Izumi is a light novel writer with problems to get success with his novels, when he knows Elf Yamada, a more successsful and famous light novelist who rivals Masamune and even he hates in some moments. After passing some time writing together, Masamune admits he's fan of Elf's novels and even they were an inspiration to be a light novelist like her.

Music
  • In The '70s, it was de riguer for anyone wanting to be seen as having street cred to despise pop music and "froth" of the Abba variety whilst expressing enthusiasm for Punk Rock in all its forms. Prog Rock also suffered from the same "either-or" dichotomy. Yet many fans and practitioners of punk and New Wave have since revealed that they actually liked and respected Abba and the despised hippy old timer bands for qualities like showmanship, musical and lyrical competence, and - yes - for some nice tunes. They just weren't able to say so in public, and those acts remained a guilty private pleasure.

Live-Action TV
  • Hunter Street: Sal spends all episode saying how unrealistic McMacho is and challenges Max to prove it by having each of them construct two traps to find out which one is superior. When Max quotes a line from a McMacho episode after his trap is effective, Sal instantly cites the episode name and number that the quote originated from. Then he tries to claim he only watched a few episodes.

Western Animation
  • Arthur gets addicted to The Love Ducks. He secretly pretends to hate it while watching it instead of the much more mature "Dark Bunny" cartoon. At the end of the episode, Francine turns out to have also been a fan all along (despite leading the mockery when Arthur was caught watching it).
  • Beast Wars: For all of Dinobot's bluster about Predacon virtues, he actually holds a great deal of respect for the Maximals. Largely due to Dinobot being an honorable warrior, while the remaining Predacons are not so honorable. Which the Maximals are.
  • Fairly OddParents: Trixie reveals she secretly loves comic book superheroes... but publicly claims they're childish and un-girly.
  • Gravity Falls: Dipper denies being a fan of musical group BABBA, at least until he learns that the Multi-bear has been rejected by the Manotaurs for being a fan of bubble-gum pop music.
  • Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated: In "The Grasp of the Gnome", a man who says he hates pirates is shown to be dressing and acting like one when nobody's around.
Community Feedback Replies: 23
  • May 20, 2017
    buckmana
    I was told that Closet Geek wasn't quite suitable for the intended purpose, so decided to create this page to better meet the needs of the page I am working on.
  • May 21, 2017
    NightShade96
    • Throughout the Gravity Falls episode "Dipper vs Manliness", Dipper denies being a fan of musical group BABBA (first when Stan walks in on him in the bathroom while he's listening and dancing to one of their songs), at least until he learns that the Multi-bear he's supposed to kill has been rejected by the Manotaurs for being a fan of bubble-gum pop music.
  • May 21, 2017
    Getta
    This is somewhat like Armored Closed Gay (being homophobic to hide your gayness). Call this Armored Closet Geek?

    Compare Tsundere (substitute "fan" here for "crush").
  • May 21, 2017
    Nazetrime
    I Never Said It Was Poison would make a good pothole for the "only a fan would know" set of words.
  • May 21, 2017
    AgProv
    This might also apply to music: in The Seventies, it was de riguer for anyone wanting to be seen as having street cred to despise pop music and "froth" of the Abba variety whilst expressing enthusiasm for Punk Rock in all its forms. Prog Rock also suffered from the same "either-or" dichotomy. Yet many fans and practitioners of punk and New Wave have since revealed that they actually liked and respected Abba and the despised hippy old fart bands for qualities like showmanship, musical and lyrical competence, and - yes - for some nice tunes. They just weren't able to say so in public, and those acts remained a guilty private pleasure.
  • May 21, 2017
    buckmana
    Sorry, I want to keep the existing name, because it's more understandable what it is about at a glance. Also, I'm referencing a movie: Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.
  • May 21, 2017
    Koveras
    ^ Can you add to the description the exact distinction between this and Closet Geek? Because I am not really seeing it right now...
  • May 21, 2017
    buckmana
    The difference is that a Closet Geek simply hides their interest, whereas a Public Hater pretends to despise the franchise. I've made an admendment as per your request.

    And it was actually another Troper who said the absence of the pretend hate meant Closet Geek wasn't quite right for what I had in mind, hence why I created this one, to follow their advice.

    If anyone can think of a more detailed wording, feel free to suggest it.
  • May 21, 2017
    Getta
    I'll still call this trope Armored Closet Geek even if this ends up named something else. ;P

    Seriously though, Armored Closet Gay and Tsundere are totally related to this.
  • May 21, 2017
    Getta
    Does this count?
    • Spongebob Squarepants: In one episode Squidward claims to hate Krabby Patties. Later, though, after Spongebob forced him to take just a bite, he grows a "withdrawal" symptom from it, which he tries to hide from Spongebob until he gets cornered when he's about to get into the Patty Vault. Then he admits that he really likes them.
  • May 21, 2017
    Kartoonkid95
  • May 21, 2017
    buckmana
    @Getta I'd say that was more a case of G Rated Drug. This trope is more about things that cannot be consumed, like tv shows, movies, books, computer games, cosplaying, etc.
  • May 22, 2017
    hszmv1
    ^ Consumption only in the sense of nourishment... but Consumption of TV shows is a thing... I would say it fits, as there are real life "Food Fans" who will follow certain fast food menu items (Looking at you, Mc Rib).

    Not sure if Helga from Hey Arnold would count...
    • In Fairly Odd Parents, Trixie reveals she secretly loves comic book superheroes... but publicly claims they're childish and un-girly.
    • Beast Wars: For all Dinobot's bluster about Predicon virtues, he actually holds a great deal of respect for the Maximals. Largely due to Dinobot being an honorable warrior, while the remaining Predicons are not honorable in their use of Predicon ideas... While the Maximals are.
  • May 22, 2017
    NightShade96
    ^ Helga is a case of Loving Bully, and this doesn't cover examples where someone secretly likes someone.
  • May 22, 2017
    Synchronicity
    Hey, Armored Closet Geek is a pretty good name.

    In any case, though, I feel like this is already covered by Shameful Source Of Knowledge and Or So I Heard.
  • May 22, 2017
    buckmana
    I checked out the recommended tropes, they really don't cover the topic of inuniverse fictional franchises, as far as I can see. Plus, the content of those pages is a little too unpleasant for the page I am working on. It wouldn't be appropriate to link to those trope pages when their connection to the subject matter is tenuous at best.

    Is it a Geek in an Armored Closet or an Armored Geek hiding in a closet? That's why I'm keeping the existing name, you actually know what it's about from reading the title.
  • May 22, 2017
    Bisected8
    • In one episode of Arthur, he gets addicted to a Teletubbies expy called The Love Ducks. He secretly pretends to hate it while watching it instead of the much more mature "Dark Bunny" cartoon. At the end of the episode, Francine turns out to have also been a fan all along (despite leading the mockery when Arthur was caught watching it).
  • May 22, 2017
    Basara-kun
    Light Novels:
    • In Eromanga Sensei, Masamune Izumi is a light novel writer with problems to get success with his novels, when he knows Elf Yamada, a more successsful and famous light novelist who rivals Masamune and even he hates in some moment. After passing some time writing together, Masamune admits he's fan of Elf's novels and even they were an inspiration to be a light novelist like her.
  • May 22, 2017
    buckmana
    @Basara-kun, did I get the category for your submission right? I am not familiar with Light Novels as a category, so chose the one I thought it looked like.
  • May 22, 2017
    Basara-kun
    ^Well, light novels are basically an "anime in a book", usually with manga illustrations with the novel, which depends of the success it's ported to manga and anime versions. Famous light novels that became anime are Toradora, The Familiar Of Zero, Love Chunibyo And Other Delusions and My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU. So yeah, being added as "anime and manga" can do it just as "light novels", so no problem about that ;)
  • May 23, 2017
    Getta
    "Is it a Geek in an Armored Closet or an Armored Geek hiding in a closet? That's why I'm keeping the existing name, you actually know what it's about from reading the title."

    Armored Closet Gay is "Gay within an armored closet".

    That said, it's apparent that you didn't get the reference (we use gay slangs for gay tropes for good reasons), so it's fine to keep the current title.

    But again... Armored Closet Gay, Loving Bully and Tsundere have to be mentioned in the description. And yeah, I realize that my example is I Do Not Like Green Eggs And Ham, and that trope is related too.
  • May 23, 2017
    AmourMitts
    This must be YMMV I guess...
  • May 23, 2017
    Getta
    ^ we aren't talking about real life hater/fan here.
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