Created By: Ominae on March 7, 2017 Last Edited By: Arivne on March 26, 2017
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Whereverstan

Fictional country in Central Asia

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If the title needs to be changed, feel free to do so. The trope name is not final. It can still be changed though it's there as a placeholder since it's the first thing that comes to mind. Some stuff from the Quarac may need to be moved if/when this goes through.

I don't think we have a trope that talks about this yet.


Whereverstan is a fictional country located in Central Asia, which usually has Islam as the main religion and a long history of being under the USSR in the Cold War, although you could see some influences of Buddhism, Confucianism, Daoism and Zoroastrianism. Although this does not necessarily have to be based on that area since UNESCO has defined Central Asia to include Afghanistan, northeastern Iran, central-eastern Russia and parts of Western China. But in some fictional works, it's depicted to be located somewhere near the Middle East or in parts of Eastern Europe.

In a Stan-type country, you will see a dictator, who usually has a background in being the head of the country's local communist party. In case the dictator dies, expect the successor to be someone in the immediate family or someone in his group, usually elected in a democratic election with some reports that it's biased to allow him or her to win.

In addition, its military/law enforcement/intelligence groups are usually Soviet-era with some forms of modernization, depending on how poor or rich the economy is. In some instance, it can be secretly be a Puppet State, either with the West or with Russia, though China is slowly entering the picture as well. The language of said country will usually have Russian included as an official language, due to USSR legacy.

Since the Stans used to be part of the USSR, do expect Dirty Communists with potential feelings of Why We Are Bummed Communism Fell if it's featured in a thriller-type show/movie/series.

"-stan" is a very old Indo-Iranian suffix roughly meaning "the land of". So Afghanistan literally means "the land of the Afghans", Kazakhstan is "the land of the Kazakhs", and so on.

Compare and contrast with Banana Republic, Qurac, Ruritania and Bulungi.

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    Anime and Manga 
  • In the episode 0 special of Full Metal Panic! The Second Raid, Mithril is deployed to Manistan to take out Manistani guerrillas holding civilians hostage.
  • The first few episodes of Gasaraki are set in the middle of a conflict in Belgistan.
  • Azadistan in Mobile Suit Gundam 00, which is said to be an evolution of Iran prior to the start of the series, with a return to a monarch, only this time it's a Constitutional Monarch-type of government.

    Comics 
  • In one Superman story arc, Pokolistan is a fictional Soviet state that was conquered by the reimagined Post-Crisis General Zod.
  • In Pearls Before Swine, Pig dug a hole to "Kukistan". Unfortunately the natives wanted to eat Pig for dinner. In the first strip characters comment to each other that Kukistan doesn't exist, because the editors felt that digging to the actual country mentioned would offend their central Asian readers, so the strip was digitally altered.

    Live Action TV 
  • 24 has the Islamic Republic of Kamistan. It appears to be an Expy of Iran.
  • The Blacklist: Redemption has Kyrkistan, located at the eastern part of Turkey, which borders Armenia. Its leader is an Expy of President Erdogan, complete with a crackdown on all forms of opposition. It's depicted to have Arabic as a main language despite the fact that it's located in Central Asia and is right next to Armenia.
  • I Love Lucy had an In-Universe example. In one of her attempts to get on Ricky's show, Lucy posed as a princess from the fictional country of "Franistan". However, Ricky saw right through it and staged a skit to show her why that was a bad idea.

    Video Games 
  • Command & Conquer: Generals has Aldastan, a union between Tajikistan and Kyrgyzistan. It's located next to Kazakhstan.
  • The SOCOM US Navy SEAL series has the nation of Adjikistan, first featured as an ally of the West before it's revealed that they've been doing nasty things to its own citizens. It's located near Afghanistan and Pakistan.
  • Strider 2014 is set on Kazakh City, a futuristic city with lots of Russian Cyrillic writings and an oppressive military government.

    Western Animation 
Community Feedback Replies: 56
  • March 7, 2017
    TonyG
    How about Somewhere Stan as a title?
  • March 7, 2017
    Koveras
    FYI "-stan" is a very old Indo-Iranian suffix roughly meaning "the land of". So Afghanistan literally means "the land of the Afghans", Kazakhstan is "the land of the Kazakhs", and so on.
  • March 7, 2017
    Katsuhagi
    • The first few episodes of Gasaraki are set in the middle of a conflict in Belgistan.
  • March 7, 2017
    Katsuhagi
  • March 7, 2017
    BKelly95
    Live Action Television
    • I Love Lucy had an In Universe example. In one of her attempts to get on Ricky's show, Lucy posed as a princess from the fictional country of "Franistan". However, Ricky saw right through it and staged a skit to show her why that was a bad idea.
  • March 7, 2017
    Drope
    Something like Wherestan or Whateverstan could work as a title.
  • March 7, 2017
    Getta
    • Strider 2014 is set on Kazakh City, a futuristic city with lots of Russian writings and an oppressive military government.
  • March 7, 2017
    Snicka
    The Stan doesn't work, it sounds like a trope named after a character named Stan. Somethingstan or Whateverstan would be better.
  • March 7, 2017
    Koveras
    "Whereverstan" sounds good in English but makes no sense etymologically, as it would mean "the land of the Wherever people". Still, in lieu of a cleverer title idea, I guess it would work.
  • March 7, 2017
    KingZeal
    I'd go with "Somewhereistan"

  • March 7, 2017
    WaterBlap
  • March 7, 2017
    Ominae
    Thanks guys. Updating it now based on feedback. Let me know if the intro needs more fixing.
  • March 7, 2017
    Koveras
    ^ Can't you add the bit of trivia on the etymology of "-stan"?
  • March 8, 2017
    Ominae
    Oh. Fixed.

  • March 8, 2017
    Koveras
    "For your information" is kind of redundant in the write-up, so you can remove that. Have a hat, anyway. :-)
  • March 8, 2017
    WaterBlap
    Would Whoeverstan be a funny redirect or would it be nameworthy? I'm thinking of "The land of whoever."
  • March 8, 2017
    Ominae
    Thanks mate.
  • March 8, 2017
    alnair20aug93
  • March 8, 2017
    alnair20aug93
    Witty redirects: Whoeverstan? Whateverstan? Whicheverstan?
  • March 8, 2017
    Matthewbr523
    In Pearls Before Swine Pig dug a hole to "Kukistan". Unfortunately the natives wanted to eat Pig for dinner. In the first strip characters comment to each other that Kukistan doesn't exist, because the editors felt that digging to the actual country mentioned would offend their central Asian readers, so the strip was digitally altered.
  • March 8, 2017
    crazysamaritan
    Bomb placed; what exactly is the difference between this and Qurac?
  • March 8, 2017
    Ominae
    @crazysamaritan

    - Qurac is basically a fictional country in the Middle East region. This one is located in Central Asia, like Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.
  • March 8, 2017
    crazysamaritan
    It, however, may also be former USSR territory in Central Asia (Turkmenistan appears to be the prototype here, with its batshit insane dictator Saparmurat "Turkmenbashi" Niyazov).
  • March 8, 2017
    Ominae
    I need to be somewhere. Let me know if there's any more concerns about this if and when more bombs are here or something.
  • March 14, 2017
    Arivne
    Edit: deleted.
  • March 9, 2017
    alnair20aug93
  • March 9, 2017
    WaterBlap
    ^ No. It would be "the land of the country," right? Moreover, the trope is essentially "a specific kind of generic country."
  • March 9, 2017
    Ominae
    Updated. Let me know if there's anything else I missed.
  • March 9, 2017
    crazysamaritan
    You haven't addressed the fact that this is a duplicate of Qurac.
  • March 9, 2017
    Ominae
    What do you mean? This trope is meant for fictional countries in Central Asia.

    If that means adding a caveat to differentiate this from Quarac.
  • March 10, 2017
    crazysamaritan
    Qurac is already for fictional countries in Central Asia.
  • March 10, 2017
    Ominae
    That can be changed by moving the examples shown here from the Quarac page. I'll do that once the page is up, assuming enough hats are there without objections.
  • March 10, 2017
    Snicka
    Are portrayals of Central Asian and Middle Eastern countries that different in media, though? I think both are usually portrayed as dictatorships with a lot of sand and bearded men with guns. Qurac covers both regions.
  • March 10, 2017
    Fighteer
    I'm not seeing enough to differentiate this from Qurac except for specific geographic placement, which makes it a functional duplicate. The idea of a generic third-world nation where conflicts take place is not usefully differentiated by which particular culture is being copy-pasted.
  • March 10, 2017
    Madrugada
    Remaking an existing trope to allow the launch of a new one that's functionally the same is bad practice.

    Also, it looks like many of the examples are of using "-stan" as suffix to denote a country, rather than being about "fictional Central Asian Countries. The name Whereverstan encourages that. This will lead to the page being filled with ZCEs and fictional countries named "Something-stan" that aren't Central Asian in short order.
  • March 10, 2017
    Ominae
    @Madrugada

    - I can rework the Intro so that it can take other fictional Central Asian countries in that don't need with a "-Stan".

    @Fighteer

    - I did point out that the area was previously a part of the USSR. I may need to change it to consider that Afghanistan was under Soviet occupation.

    I'll need to think of a better name to amend this so that other fictional Central Asian countries are added since there are some that don't need with a "-Stan".
  • March 10, 2017
    DrNoPuma
    Is this one close enough?

    Literature
    • In Science Fair by Dave Barry and Ridley Pearson, the main villains are from a fictional country called Krpshtskan, and their goal is to get revenge on the US following an incident where the Krpshtskani president's son was humiliated on an American talent show.
  • March 10, 2017
    Fighteer
    Ominae, you are not listening. This is the same exact trope as Qurac. Were you to launch it, it would immediately need a merge TRS. No go, here.
  • March 11, 2017
    Ominae
    TBH and no offense, the Middle East and Central Asia are two different regions. But if more tropers will share your opinion, then this can be disposed of and some of the other examples can be moved to Quarac.
  • March 11, 2017
    Koveras
    How about we instead make Whereverstan a redirect to Qurac?
  • March 11, 2017
    alnair20aug93
    The -istans, while mostly Muslim, seem to have a mishmash of Iranian, Indian, Turkic, and Russian bits in it.
  • March 11, 2017
    alnair20aug93
    Another flavour of the Whateverstan is the Borat flavour.
  • March 11, 2017
    Madrugada
    Central Asian countries ( the -stans) may in Real Life have a somewhat different culture than the Middle East (Qurac) but that's the only difference between the two, and so far, not one of the examples has included why that culture is important to the example. Most of them don't even mention whether the country is Central Asian or not, just that it's named "<Something>stan". That's an indication that those cultural differences are not important to the trope.

    If you were to completely rewrite the trope definition to be not about the naming convention but about the cultural aspects of Central Asian countries, you might have a valid trope.
  • March 12, 2017
    Snicka
    So what differentiates this from Qurac is that this one also has Commie Land / Ruritania elements thrown in the blend?
  • March 12, 2017
    crazysamaritan
    1. Commie Land elements are already a part of the Qurac definition
    2. What Ruritania elements?
  • March 12, 2017
    Snicka
    ^ When mentioning Ruritania, I specifically had Borat in mind, where they portray Kazakhstan as that trope. Where are the Commie Land elements in the definition of Qurac? Other than both being dictatorships there's very little similarity.
  • March 12, 2017
    crazysamaritan
    former USSR territory in Central Asia; army and air force will probably be equipped with rusting Soviet surplus and manned by luckless conscripts, a few of which may be genuinely crazy; An overall sense of squalor and apathy prevails; scampering children demanding [spare change];

    You're making up a definition; there's nothing about the draft's description for a satire on how first-world citizens view foreign, third-world countries, the country depicted as a cartoonish backwater, cars drawn by donkeys absurdly intolerant local customs, or scenes filmed in a Romanian village.
  • March 12, 2017
    Madrugada
    Look at the examples this has already garnered, from people who (presumably) have read the definition for comprehension. Look at how many of them say very little about the country beyond "its name ends in "-stan" and it's (vaguely) Central Asian." That's only going to get worse if it's launched.
  • March 12, 2017
    Getta
    ^ Eh, the trope is enough with just that, methinks. Not that many writers even know deeply about former USSR countries to write more details about them.
  • March 13, 2017
    Ominae
    Pardon me.

    But I'd like to say that I can rework the Intro so that the entries don't fall because of the "-Stan" name and instead, talk about Central Asin culture.

    I'll need some suggestions. Or feel free to bomb this so that I can start over.
  • March 14, 2017
    alnair20aug93
    I've been playing a bit of Papers Please, I'm not sure if Obristan counts.
  • March 15, 2017
    WaterBlap
    ^^ I've seen some tropes where the description uses the "#" markup to clearly enumerate the necessary aspects of the trope. "Having -stan in the name is not sufficient to count as this trope" could be one such enumerated item. Or changing the name. Or both.
  • March 20, 2017
    Ominae
    I may need to change the name. But I need to figure out a suitable name to be a placeholder.
  • March 21, 2017
    Twoeyesshort
    The Country of X-stan?
  • March 21, 2017
    WaterBlap
    If it's a placeholder name, just put "(title WIP)" or make it "Generic Asian Country (title WIP)"
  • March 26, 2017
    Ominae
    Looks like it's nuked. Oh well, I'll work on this better next time.
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