Created By: ryanasaurus0077 on July 13, 2011 Last Edited By: ryanasaurus0077 on July 27, 2011
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Proper Tights With A Skirt

Covering from waist to toe under something feminine.

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Alternative Title(s): Tights With A Skirt, Tights With A Skirt Is Proper, It Is Proper To Wear Tights With A Skirt

So, you have a female character, and you want her to appear prim and proper, while still being feminine and fitting in with all of your other female characters. It would usually (with few exceptions) be improper for her to wear pants, but it would be difficult to have her fit in full dresses when all of your other female characters are wearing short, suggestive skirts.

The solution is simple - have her wear tights (divided by a common language here - British tights are American pantyhose) with a skirt. The skirt allows her to fit in with her fellow girls, but the tights ensure that she remains proper and well-covered. It retains that feminine quality, yet prevents the lady from in any way seeming risque.

This style of dress is particularly common in Anime with The Ojou and Yamato Nadeshiko. Compare with Skirt over Slacks, which occurs when pants of some description are added to an already modest skirt in order to convey shyness or tomboyishness, and with Modesty Shorts, which ensures modesty for the Action Girl who wears a short skirt. Contrasts with Zettai Ryouiki, which are usually employed to instead enhance the fanservice of the outfit, upping the intended sexiness, and with Tights Under Shorts, which incorporates something more boyish than a skirt but is nevertheless used more frequently on girls than on boys.

Note that when it comes to children, and especially school uniforms (except where School Uniforms Are the New Black), this is so standard that no examples need to be given.

Examples

Anime and Manga
  • Homura Akemi wears this with her outfits, including her Magical Girl uniform, in Puella Magi Madoka Magica.
  • The Sailor Senshi wear this with their costumes in Sailor Moon; of course, given the color of the tights it's actually quite hard to tell for the untrained viewer...
  • Sakura Kinomoto in Card Captor Sakura gets this with most of her CardCaptor outfits if they don't involve Zettai Ryouiki. Her friend Tomoyo does this with a few of her own outfits as well.
  • The female pilots wear the leotard variation with their combat attire in Dangaioh.
  • Mikuru Asahina wears this during the winter months in Suzumiya Haruhi (as seen in Disappearance with her school uniform).
  • Worn by Miyuki in Lucky Star, particularly with her school uniform.
  • Yui from K-On! wears this with her skirt.
  • Sarah Adiemus from School Rumble is the only girl in the series who wears tights with her school skirt.
  • Satoko in Higurashi: When They Cry.
  • Rare male example: Jun Watarase from Happiness!, particularly with his Sailor Fuku.
  • Mariya Shidou from Maria†Holic wears black tights with his uniform and portrays himself publicly as one of the nicer girls. However, when he and Kanako are alone together, his sadistic side rears its ugly head.
  • Hell, there are some traps out there who have done this besides the two listed above, including, at times, Hideyoshi Kinoshita.

Fan Fic
  • Mitsuuru Takahashi from Pretty Cure Heavy Metal is a rare male example at times. Sakura Cobain also wears white tights under her school uniform during the colder months (of course, since this is Isuten Junior High we're talking about, the same outfit also includes a black leather jacket, possibly the only way to make tights look any cooler--other than using shorts instead, of course).
  • Another male example is Haru Nagato, the male maiden from the upcoming Pretty Cure Strange Happenings. Yumi's thigh-high red stockings go so high they barely rise above the lower edge of her uniform's crinoline skirt, leading some to mistake what she's wearing for tights. Also, every Cure that doesn't wear Tights Under Shorts wears this in Cure form, and Cure Necro herself sports Tights Under Modesty Shorts.
  • Super Cure Romance from Pretty Cure Hollywood Stars would be another male example, but in Cure and Super Cure form is actually biologically female.
  • Done by Haruki Fukuda at several points with his school uniform in a (currently work-in-progress) screenplay for a (theoretical) Live-Action Adaptation of Pretty Cure Mirai Spark. In his case, though, instead of a skirt or dress, he does this with a tunic, which is part of the unisex uniform worn by the Royals of Mirai Academy. As a matter of fact, this trope is inverted, as while he's the one wearing tights, it's his sister Yasu who's the proper British lady. She just never bothers to dress like one in any of her appearances.

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Western Animation

Real Life
  • Truth in Television; it's pretty much standard clothing for girls and is especially common among schoolgirls (especially those who wear uniforms) and some classes of athletes in Real Life.
Community Feedback Replies: 54
  • July 13, 2011
    No9
    Clarification: By Tights you mean Leggings? Waist to toe? Can you prove the Sailor Moon one? like a pic or something? That just looks like skin.
  • July 14, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    If you're eagle-eyed enough, you'll notice their legs are a slightly darker shade of flesh. At first I didn't notice, but I first noticed around 2004 or 2005, when I really started to get into the fandom.

    And by tights, I mean tights. Leggings would go under Skirt Over Slacks.

    Waist to toe means the entire area is covered, by the way.
  • July 14, 2011
    CrypticMirror
    I call People Sit On Chairs! Skirts with tights are standard clothing.
  • July 14, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    Be that as it may, there's plenty of rare examples in video games and Japanese animation (or, as we commonly know it, anime). I'm putting up a note reading that there may be so many examples that only examples that somehow stand out among other characters or groups of characters (mostly female examples, but especially the odd male example) will be posted. It would be wiser to call Truth In Television.

    BTW Raso was the one that asked me to YKTTW this shortly after I YKTTW'd Tights Under Shorts. I just now got around to doing a YKTTW for this. If you have any problems with this trope, ask Raso (he said this could be tropable, and I'm merely acting as his messenger by doing a YKTTW for this).
  • July 14, 2011
    Aielyn
    I don't think you know what People Sit On Chairs is. I suggest you read it.
  • July 14, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    I included a disclaimer about how we only want the more notable examples. I included a Truth In Television note in the Real Life section and forbad further Real Life examples beyond that. I stated that in fiction, this trope tends to be associated with The Ojou and the Yamato Nadeshiko. What more do you guys want?

    And of course I know what People Sit On Chairs means. I only YKTTW'd this on the suggestion of a user who commented on the Tights Under Shorts trope shortly after I YKTTW'd it. Name of Raso.

    As to the chairsitty argument... Your Mileage May Vary on that count.
  • July 14, 2011
    Aielyn
    OK, I'm not going to go through another one of these. Let me just put it this way - you are the one who has to justify why this is a trope, and saying YMMV isn't in any way evidence of it. More importantly, People Sit On Chairs isn't subject to YMMV. And if people are saying that your prospective trope is PSOC, then you need to stop and think about why - it's not a case of "Unpleasable Fanbase", it's a case of you having failed to demonstrate why this is a trope.

    Saying "only the more notable examples" doesn't make sense, because if it's PSOC, there's no such thing as a notable example. The reason why people are saying it's People Sit On Chairs is that wearing tights underneath a skirt is actually very common and standard, and doesn't mean anything. The "doesn't mean anything" is the key to why this isn't a trope. If it weren't for that one part at the end, it would just be an Omnipresent Trope, but the fact that there's no actual purpose behind it makes it People Sit On Chairs.

    You mention that it tends to be associated with The Ojou and the Yamato Nadeshiko... but isn't it true that this is just because the Real Life people upon which those tropes are based also wore tights under skirts, if wearing skirts? In other words, you've failed to show why this isn't People Sit On Chairs. And again, it's not a YMMV situation, "chairsittiness" is generally a fairly clear-cut situation.
  • July 15, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    I never said there were other types that wear Tights With A Skirt! I only said it was most associated in fiction with The Ojou and the Yamato Nadeshiko.

    Also, some Clothing Tropes are common and standard, especially Leotard Of Power, which can either take the form of an actual leotard or (especially in the summer) a one-piece swimsuit. (And then there's biketards and unitards.) And helmets actually look quite cool in real life. All schools have Dress Codes even if said school doesn't incorporate a uniform but nevertheless wants to preserve as much modesty as possible in their students. And I'd bring up Hot Chick In A Badass Suit to prove my point as well, but it's only People Sit On Chairs in the world of pornography (as I read on the trope page in question). For something that IS common and standard in real life as well (especially for martial arts sessions), see Martial Arts Uniform. Pajama Clad Hero is just as common--after all, just about EVERYONE wears pajamas. Businessmen in real life are Sharp Dressed Men. And short shorts were extremely (may be an Understatement, though) common among girls in the late '50s, the '60s, and the '70s, and there are girls who wear them even today. Woman In Black and Woman In White are also extremely common--in fact, the average person might not go a day without seeing a female wearing either black or white. And Zettai Ryouiki is also pretty much common, especially among the sexy (not saying there are non-sexy people who wear this either).

    Even if you don't agree with even this argument, I'm asking you very desperately and politely to make a special exception of Tights With A Skirt. (As a further guarantee, I'm invoking my very own "Few or All" rule, created just for this trope; if a trope is very common, examples are only tropable if either few characters out of all characters in a given work or everyone in a given group, e.g. the Sailor Senshi, whose own tights are flesh-colored and thus barely noticeable unless to an eagle-eyed viewer, do this, and I'm also including any male example I find.)
  • July 15, 2011
    Aielyn
    Leotard Of Power applies to superheroes, and is particularly common amongst female superheroes, when real superheroes... well, you get the point. Cool Helmet is about more than just having a helmet, just as Pajama Clad Hero is about more than just wearing Pajamas. Dress Code is particularly uncommon in fiction compared to Real Life, making it a trope. Martial Arts Uniform is actually about using the uniform to indicate that the person knows a martial art. Sharp Dressed Men is a Fanservice trope, as is Who Wears Short Shorts and Zettai Ryouiki. Woman In Black and Woman In White is about using a woman in a certain colour to convey information about the woman.

    Not one of them is People Sit On Chairs, for the reasons noted above.

    The reason why your "trope" is being called People Sit On Chairs isn't that it's about clothing, nor is it that the clothing in question is "common and standard". It's that it, and I'll emphasise it more this time, doesn't have any significance. It's not being used for fanservice. It's not trying to tell you something about a character. It's not being used in a special context (like Leotard Of Power). Just as the fact that people sit on chairs isn't a trope, but people sitting on chairs so that they can do a Chair Reveal is, so too does this fail to be a trope, at this point, due to lack of significance.
  • July 15, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    Did you get what I meant when I described my suggested "Few or All" rule for tropes such as this? If a trope is very common, examples are only tropable if either few characters out of all characters in a given work or everyone in a given group employ the trope in question. (The only exception to the rule for this trope being YKTTW'd at the moment, for example, is if a boy wears Tights With A Skirt). If this "Few or All" rule is implemented here, I promise I won't try to YKTTW any more "chairsitty" Clothing Tropes. You have my word. And I mean it. ABSOLUTELY NO TRICKS.
  • July 15, 2011
    Aielyn
    The frequency in a particular work being different from Real Life is not what keeps something from being People Sit On Chairs due to level of commonality. It's frequency across works - that is, how often it's used in fiction in general.

    Even you're willing to admit that it's People Sit On Chairs. In case you didn't notice, another name for that article is Not A Trope.
  • July 15, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    That's why there's a note limiting fictional examples as much as possible and prohibiting real life examples (save for a Truth In Television note). Fingers crossed, this limitation on examples just might work. (In fact, there's currently just a few examples listed on this trope as it is, but mainly because that was all I could think up at the moment.) And in case I didn't make it clear before, even though I YKTTW'd it in the first place I wasn't the one who came up with the idea (that would be Raso, who had commented on a previous, ongoing YKTTW I started last month). Of course, then if the page got big enough (but not excessively big) we'd have to split each example into subpages, but my point stands that I wouldn't have YKTTW'd it in the first place if I hadn't received one comment of support for this trope. That man is Raso. He truly believes in this trope; otherwise, he wouldn't have said it would work. There's dedication for you. I merely enacted his dedication with this YKTTW. Again, the trope entry itself will be limited to a fraction of examples, mainly from anime and video games, and male examples will definitely be among those that are included in the planned quota I have in mind. I'll ask you again: please be patient and see how this'll pan out.
  • July 16, 2011
    Raso
    Well in fictional examples such as school anime and manga actually wearing this trope is rare and a sign of being proper and conservative IE The Ojou and Yamato Nadeshiko as well as its a Turn On Trope. It is not People Sit On Chairs because these have significance.

    [1] [2] Good images for this.
  • July 16, 2011
    Aielyn
    I'm pleased that you've decided to actually come in and provide a reasonable argument against it being People Sit On Chairs. I'm not entirely convinced, but then, I don't watch much by way of Anime, which is why I never said it was PSOC, just that he hadn't convinced anyone otherwise.

    For instance, ryanasaurus put forward The Ojou and Yamato Nadeshiko as examples where it occurs, rather than as character types that it usually signifies. Entirely changes the argument.

    I don't think the "Turn On Trope" argument is really a justifiable one. Whether something is a turn-on is very YMMV. On the flipside, if an author is intentionally trying to turn on the audience, they're more likely to not have tights under the skirt, so from the reverse perspective, it doesn't seem like it's done for fanservice type purposes.

    Anyway, I think the trope needs work, assuming it is supposed to suggest a character as "proper and conservative". If it only really happens in Anime, then it might be best to restrict examples to Anime only, and make it an Anime Trope.
  • July 16, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    Right. Thanks for being satisfied, Aielyn. And thank you, Raso, for bailing out this YKTTW. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to add a disclaimer to the page. (Of course, I was also hoping fanfic and video game examples are welcome as well, since a lot of them these days, especially if they're anime-influenced, are, well, anime-influenced. Also, I'm asking for non-anime examples already listed to be allowed to remain on the trope page as per a Grandfather Clause.)
  • July 16, 2011
    Aielyn
    ryanasaurus, stop trying to invent rules to apply to "save" the trope. If the trope is worthy of being a trope, then it won't need those sorts of disclaimers or specially-designed restrictions. If it does need those sorts of things, then the trope is a bad one.

    Notice that I used the word "if" when suggesting it be restricted to Anime only. Also notice that the significance of the "tights with a skirt" is important. For instance, I look at your Zenon example, and think "hmm... looks like a standard and common girl's style of dress in America". I would say that it's not an example - the characters don't look like they're meant to be conservative, just typical.

    On the other hand, Daphne from Scooby Doo looks like she's meant to be a prim and proper upper-class girl-next-door, and the tights just further that (and contrast with Velma, who wears long socks with her skirt) - I would say that it does fit the desired image of "tights with a skirt" as indicative of being prim and proper. It's also worth noting, with that example, that the film adaptation put her in calf-high boots, instead, thus turning it into fanservice.

    Persona 4's example is harder for me to judge - looking at it, it could go either way.

    Looking more extensively at Anime Tropes, I see that many of them actually do have non-Anime examples anyway - it's just that they're so common in Anime, that they're closely related. There's no Grandfather Clause to protect examples that don't fit the trope, but if you construct the trope correctly, many of them will be kept, anyway.
  • July 16, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    I'm not inventing rules. I'm just thinking if this is supposed to be an Anime Trope that examples directly related to anime (such as the Pretty Cure-related Fan Fic example and the Persona 4 example) should be welcome as well and that any male example of this trope should be notable enough to be included as well for their rarity. Just my personal opinion, anyway (and one that might take the Anime Trope aspect to its Logical Extreme). Thanks for the tip!
  • July 16, 2011
    TheEnforcer
    The girls uniform at Hogwarts in Harry Potter is a knee length skirt and black tights. Yui from K-On! Wears this with her skirt.
  • July 16, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^ The former doesn't count, as this is primarily an Anime Trope, and Harry Potter isn't the least bit anime; but the latter does count.
  • July 16, 2011
    Aielyn
    It's not so much that it's not Anime, as that it's a school uniform and doesn't denote anything of importance.
  • July 16, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^ I was planning on bringing that up but didn't think about it. In any case, The Enforcer apparently forgot to read the tier (which is in boldface FOR EASIER READING, LIKE THIS). As a direct result, there's now a note at the very top instructing those that would suggest examples to read the boldface text before suggesting anything. If and when it's ready to be launched, I'll change the text to instruct those that would add examples to read the boldface text before suggesting anything and change "YKTTW" to "trope" before actually launching it.
  • July 16, 2011
    CrypticMirror
    I give this a week (at most) in the wild before it is misused for every single woman wearing tights and a skirt and has to be dragged through TRS.
  • July 16, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    IMO TRS is a preferable fate to the cutlist.

    BTW that's the very reason why there are warnings at the top of the page and above the examples section.
  • July 16, 2011
    CrypticMirror
    Any trope that needs to be laden with warnings about what it is not, is probably not a trope.
  • July 16, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    There are some tropes I've seen that have to use warnings, though I can't seem to think of any at the moment. I'll let you know if one comes to mind.
  • July 16, 2011
    Aielyn
    I think the point CrypticMirror is making is that the trope, as it stands, isn't going to survive properly. It needs a lot of work, as I've said before.

    Let's start with the name. Just calling it "Tights with a skirt" makes it sound like it covers all instances of that, whereas most instances of it are People Sit On Chairs. A more carefully-worded trope name would remove that problem. This option is probably too long, but it might be a good idea to use it temporarily, until someone gives a better one - It Is Proper To Wear Tights With A Skirt (note: "It Is" rather than "It's", because "It Is" is more proper).
  • July 16, 2011
    momotaro
    The description does seem incomplete. Why don't we brainstorm some more uses for this trope? What are allthe things an author or artist would want to convey by putting the character in tights and a skirt?
  • July 17, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^^ I guess that would work.

    ^ How about beauty and grace?
  • July 17, 2011
    PS3D
    I don't know, some leggings are tight-fitting enough to qualify for this trope. Maybe.
  • July 17, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^ If the feet are only obscured by separate footwear, and the feet can be visible once the shoes come off, that doesn't count as tights.
  • July 17, 2011
    Aielyn
    In most cases, though, the shoes won't come off, so you can't tell the difference.
  • July 17, 2011
    dragongirlhellfire
    Something can be a People Sit On Chairs even if it doesn't happen particularly frequently in a certain genre. Say there was a specific action genre or something where people spent most of their time on their feet, so when they did sit down, it was rare. It is still People Sit On Chairs.

    I call this People Sit On Chairs.
  • July 18, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^ Be that as it may, Raso made a pretty convincing argument for this YKTTW's sake (see his comment, which starts with "Well in fictional examples such as school anime and manga...", for more), and even Aielyn believes this trope could work, with a little more work on it.
  • July 18, 2011
    Cidolfas
    Why on earth is this being presented as anime-only? The idea is as universal as it gets.
  • July 18, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^ Because otherwise, this trope would be abused to hell and back and then mistaken for People Sit On Chairs by more than the three people who have already done so. Exceptions are allowed, but they have to pass one of two tiers displayed in boldface.
  • July 18, 2011
    TheEnforcer
    Sarah Adiemus from School Rumble is the only girl in the series who wears tights with her school skirt. [1]
  • July 18, 2011
    PS3D
    Well, I glanced at an old Sears advertisement I had lying around, and they used the words "tights", even though it only went down to the ankle.

    But it's a bit hard to tell if the trope point is to be "more conservative" or "more Fanservice-y"
  • July 19, 2011
    crazysamaritan
    Your limitations consist of about 70 words. Your description consists of about 80 words. Nearly half of this so-called trope is trying to explain what trope it is not. If it's working that hard, you probably ought to make a comment on the major tropes instead.
  • July 19, 2011
    SonofRojBlake
    Echoing People Sit On Chairs.

    Also chuckling at the early comment "there's plenty of rare examples "
  • July 19, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^ With all these "chairsitty" accusations, even I'm surprised it actually got a hat.

    ^^ Please elaborate on the major tropes I could comment on so as to improve on the description (it wasn't labeled as Needs A Better Description for nothing!).
  • July 19, 2011
    Aielyn
    I think ryanasaurus needs some help with how to make the description work so that this doesn't sit in People Sit On Chairs, since he seems to think that a heap of disclaimers will do it. So, I'll have a shot at it.
    So, you have a female character, and you want her to appear prim and proper, while still being feminine and fitting in with all of your other female characters. It would be improper for her to wear pants, but it would be difficult to have her fit in full dresses when all of your other female characters are wearing short, suggestive skirts.

    The solution is simple - have her wear tights with a skirt. The skirt allows her to fit in with her fellow girls, but the tights ensure that she remains proper and well-covered. It retains that feminine quality, yet prevents the lady from in any way seeming risque.

    This style of dress is particularly common in Anime with The Ojou and Yamato Nadeshiko. Compare with Skirt Over Slacks, which occurs when pants of some description are added to an already modest skirt in order to convey shyness or tomboyishness, and with Modesty Shorts, which ensures modesty for the Action Girl who wears a short skirt. Contrasts with Zettai Ryouiki, which are usually employed to instead enhance the fanservice of the outfit, upping the intended sexiness.

    Note that when it comes to children, and especially school uniforms (except where School Uniforms Are The New Black), this is so standard that no examples need to be given.
  • July 19, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^ I guess that description could work. Domo arigatou gozaimasu!
  • July 19, 2011
    peccantis
    Bad clumpy overly long title. How about just Tights With Skirt Is Proper?
  • July 20, 2011
    Aielyn
    peccantis - it was clumpy and overly long for a very good reason - the original title was clearly People Sit On Chairs in nature, but I couldn't think of a good trope name to replace it - so I suggested a long, poor title that does capture the purpose of the trope, so that someone else could come in and think of something snappier.

    I'm not sure whether Tights With Skirt Is Proper is good enough, though. But I'll leave it up to others for that, since I can't think of anything better.
  • July 20, 2011
    SonofRojBlake
    Is Hit Girl this?
  • July 20, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^ Last time I checked she was Skirt Over Slacks.
  • July 21, 2011
    ralphmerridew2
    Satoko in Higurashi
  • July 23, 2011
    Bushranger
    Tights With Skirt Is Proper would be an understandable and concise title, I think.
  • July 23, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^ I've got one vote for Tights With A Skirt Is Proper after Aielyn figured it'd probably work. Two more before the day after this trope gets its fifth hat, and it just got a new title.
  • July 23, 2011
    katiek
    I'd have to watch it again, but I'm pretty sure the Anne Hathaway character in The Devil Wears Prada wears tights a lot, as she is kinda concerned with looking fashionable but is much more demure and much less fashion-forward than her colleagues.
  • July 24, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^ Let me know if your hunch is right.
  • July 25, 2011
    Arutema
    • The soldier-like Weiss wears this outfit in Arcana Heart 3.
  • July 26, 2011
    Arivne
  • July 27, 2011
    NeoChaos
    ^ I like that title. Short and straight to the point.

    • Yurika Kirishima, the resident Ojou of Project Justice, wears white pantyhose with her dress.

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