Created By: pinkdalek on September 17, 2010 Last Edited By: MarqFJA on September 17, 2010
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Proud Scholar Race Guy

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Basically, a counterpart to the Proud Warrior Race Guy with a focus on science, philosophy or the arts. A Proud Scholar Race may exist on their own or in contrast to a Warrior Race. They'll probably be portrayed as more basically peace-loving than their counterpart, but when they do end up in wars, they'll probably be the ones creating and using WMDs and various other dirty weapons, like chemicals, brainwashing, and so on. They won't necessarily be portrayed as nicer people - sometimes, their love of knowledge will make them sympathetic compared to the madmen running around hitting things with swords, but other times, it will make them cold, slimy and sinister compared to the honest fighters doing their duty for their country.

Their societal structure is centred around science, philosophy and the arts, and it's likely their political structure will employ a Head Scientist/Philosopher/Poet/Whatever as leader. They aren't necessarily a Higher-Tech Species, although that often overlaps. The key is that learning is the main cornerstone to their society.

If both these and the Warrior Race are played as villainous, they basically become a Does This Remind You of Anything? split about the two terrifying sides of the Nazis - the Warriors are the mighty soldiers and strategists slaughtering and conquering, while the Scientists remain at home torturing people For Science! and for hate. For this reason, when villainous, the Scientist race may be prejudiced and regard other races as fodder for slavery and experimentation.

When heroic, the race is quite likely to resemble an idealised depiction of the academic circles of the Ancient Greeks. Expect Crystal Spires and Togas or a Mary Sue Topia. They may or may not be a Higher-Tech Species.

If they are into both learning and killing, they're a Warrior Poet Race instead.

...Seen It a Million Times. The only example I can think of off the top of my head is the Kaleds from Doctor Who, who are neither heroic nor villainous and mostly ally with The Doctor (although their leader, Davros, is pure Evilutionary Biologist and creates the Daleks (Science Race as Prejudiced, Science Race using WM Ds)).

  • The Darrians in Traveller

  • The Psilons in Master Of Orion

  • Krypton worshipped Science, in some versions

  • Asimov's Psychohistorians?

  • The Time Lords, maybe.
    • I don't remember the Kaleds ever allying with the Doctor; I thought they only appeared in "Genesis of the Daleks

  • The Minbari religious caste might have a few traces of this.

  • One Defining Example I can think of: the Tuffles from Dragonball Z, a VERY Science-Driven Race, and lived on the same Planet as (and were Ultimately Overthrown by) the Saiyans (the very Epitome of a Proud Warrior Race).

  • I can't remember exactly, but I want to say the Ancients were this at various points in their history in Stargate SG 1 (Worth noting, that in the various Stargate series, we end up seeing things the Ancients did at vastly seperated parts of their history, so their characterization changed accordingly)

  • The salarians in Mass Effect have a reputation as good scientists, albeit one overshadowed by their other reputation as spies.

  • The Anophelii in China Mieville's The Scar. At least, the men. The women, on the other hand...
Community Feedback Replies: 26
  • September 14, 2010
    Unknown Troper
    This is a good indicator of Space Elves like Vulcans, by analogy with fantasy elves who are often a "Magic and Spirituality Race".
  • September 14, 2010
    jatay
    The Darrians in Traveller

    The Psilons in Master Of Orion
  • September 14, 2010
    jatay
    Proud Scholar Race? That goes well with Proud Warrior Race, and for that matter, Proud Merchant Race .
  • September 14, 2010
    jatay
    Some variations of these might turn into Space Amish. For instance if their hat is studying rather then producing technology they might want to Withdraw From The World.
  • September 14, 2010
    jatay
    Asimov's Psychohistorians?
  • September 14, 2010
    jatay
    Actually I've Seen It A Million Times too.
  • September 14, 2010
    Unknown Troper
    Krypton worshipped Science, in some versions
  • September 14, 2010
    DaibhidC
    The Time Lords, maybe.

    I don't remember the Kaleds ever allying with the Doctor; I thought they only appeared in "Genesis of the Daleks".
  • September 14, 2010
    Unknown Troper
    The Minbari religious caste?

  • September 16, 2010
    jatay
    bump
  • September 16, 2010
    MarqFJA
    You know, there is an Up For Grabs tag at the top.
  • September 16, 2010
    mumboj
    One Defining Example I can think of: the Tuffles from Dragonball Z, a VERY Science-Driven Race, and lived on the same Planet as (and were Ultimately Overthrown by) the Saiyans (the very Epitome of a Proud Warrior Race).
  • September 16, 2010
    AFP
    I can't remember exactly, but I want to say the Ancients were this at various points in their history in Stargate SG 1 (Worth noting, that in the various Stargate series, we end up seeing things the Ancients did at vastly seperated parts of their history, so their characterization changed accordingly)
  • September 16, 2010
    Unknown Troper
    The salarians in Mass Effect have a reputation as good scientists, albeit one overshadowed by their other reputation as spies.
  • September 16, 2010
    Vree
    "Proud" should not be in the title, it's not among their defining traits. How about "Enlightened"?
  • September 16, 2010
    AmazinglyEnough
  • September 17, 2010
    berr
    We need to coordinate this with the proposed Enlightened Space Elf Race ykttw:

    (currently called Space Elves, but the actual trope description is very, very similar to this and therefore a subtrope of literal Space Elves in the generic sense of...)

    Elves Vs Dwarves <==> [this or that ykttw (or both)] vs. Proud Warrior Race Guy.
  • September 17, 2010
    jatay

    "Proud" should not be in the title, it's not among their defining traits. How about "Enlightened"?

    Actually, it often is . More important it fits as a comparison. Besides couldn't a Proud Warrior Race Guy say that "brave is their defining trait, not proud"?
  • September 17, 2010
    jatay
    It'salmost ready for launch. If anyone wants to change the title, they still can.
  • September 17, 2010
    jatay
    The Federation in general in Star Trek, sometimes.
  • September 17, 2010
    Vree
    ^That's not a race, though.

    ^^^I disagree. "Proud" very much defines that race -- they are better than plain evil, but they are arrogant and aggressive. (Since they are the Lighter And Softer version of blatant enemy species, "murderiously violent" becomes "having a rich warlike cultural tradition" and "mean" becomes "too proud".)

    Proud Scholar Race works too but it does not strike me as instantly clear as Proud Warrior Race Guy. Worf can be summed up as "proud warrior", but calling Spock "proud scholar" seems to be missing the point about what his clearest personality traits are. (At least, it sounds like it was describing a pompous wiseguy to me.)

    So, it's OK...but maybe we can do better.

    Any decision on how to merge this with the warring YKTTW? They should definitely be merged before there is a launch.
  • September 17, 2010
    MarqFJA
    I vote for Enlightened Scholar Race - or rather, Enlightened Scholar Race Guy, since the Opposite Trope is named Proud Warrior Race Guy, with Proud Warrior Race as a redirect. And before launching, the examples need to have their format refined to look like proper example entries.

    ^ Space Elves is different trope from this one, though overlap is possible. No merge.
  • September 17, 2010
    jatay
    Put it with Proud Warrior Race Guy and Proud Merchant Race under "proud index race"? Though there are only three proud races so far counting this one.
  • September 17, 2010
    Vree
    ^The YKTTW is about the same thing. It's not about actual elves in space.

    Maybe it is worth to mention that this race will usually supply the team's Smart Guy, and of course the Big Guy will usually come from the Warrior race.
  • September 17, 2010
    jatay
    As for Spock, well Vulcans in general are often stuck-up jerks and Spock was sort of "transcending without rejecting" Vulcandom in many ways. Furthermore Vulcans have a some grim looking traditions that seem almost Klingonesque as was shown in Amok Time. "Proud" might do well for Vulcans.

  • September 17, 2010
    Vree
    Ohoho, we have Proud Merchant Race? xD

    I guess this will become another theme naming.
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