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Safety in Indifference
When a character decides that caring hurts too much... so they don't.
(permanent link) added: 2013-08-02 07:03:53 sponsor: Bibliophile edited by: KingZeal (last reply: 2013-08-06 03:57:17)

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“If no one touches me – no one can hurt me. All I have to do is never care.”
-- Vanyel Ashkevron, Magic’s Pawn

This is when characters decide that it is indeed better never to have loved than to have loved and lost. They realise that if they don’t feel or care, they can’t be hurt. This decision is often initiated by either themselves or someone close to them crossing the Despair Event Horizon, but they choose to take the final step and how to express their despair.

This frequently results in them feeling that Hope Is Scary, as it threatens their indifference and risks them starting to feel again, requiring them to either give up their defences or go through the harrowing experience of re-erecting them.

Ice and stone imagery are often included.

Characters who choose indifference most often end up as a Broken Bird, Emotionless Girl or Ice Queen; they will sometimes use a Jerkass Façade to hide their emotions from both themselves and others. Where they are a significant character, expect a Defrosting Ice Queen or Break the Haughty plot, teaching them the Power of Friendship or .

Compare Heroic BSOD and Heroic Safe Mode which are more temporary, and Despair Event Horizon, where the character is not actively choosing and maintaining their state. Contrast The Stoic whose emotional suppression is only external rather than internal. Compare/contrast Straw Nihilist when their view goes beyond simply their own defence. When a character is worried about physical rather than emotional safety, may overlap with Bystander Syndrome.

See also Emotion Suppression where emotions are removed (often artificially) for a specific reason; either short term or permanently.


  • Mary Jane Watson from the Spider-Man comics often acted as if she didn't have a care in the world beyond dancing and partying. We later learn that it was largely an act to hide the pain brought on by her abusive father. A large part of her character development was learning she didn't have to wear the facade and overcoming the Commitment Issues associated with it.

  • Later in The Wheel of Time Rand Al’Thor is heading towards this in his efforts to become hard enough to meet his destiny.
  • In Mercedes Lackey's Magic's Price, Vanyel finally decides to cut himself off from all emotion as a way of dealing with his emotionally abusive father exiling him to a strange city. This is reflected by his ice dream, and eventually leads to him opening up to Tylendel.
  • The attraction of indifference on both personal and social levels is an ongoing theme in many of Isobelle Carmody’s books. The protagoinists are usually characters who insist of facing the problems and trying to do something about them.
    • From The Legendsong Saga, Dark Ember is the most obvious, dealing with the knowledge of her dying by pre-emptively withdrawing from life.
    • The Stormlord in The Winter Door is an extreme example, creating a machine and a whole world that drains people of any form of wanting or desire.
  • Kaladin tries this in The Way of Kings to fight his Chronic Hero Syndrome, because everyone he tries to help ends up dead.
  • In the Mordant's Need books by Stephen Donaldson, Terisa Morgan’s ‘fading’ is a variation of this which she is able to invoke.

Live-Action TV
  • At the start of The Snowmen the Doctor is suffering from this. With the Ponds, he has lost one too many companions and he is no longer willing to commit himself to helping Earth and humans.

  • I am a Rock by Simon & Garfunkel explains why the narrator chose indifference.
    And a rock feels no pain;
    And an island never cries.

  • Fiyero from Wicked uses a much more positive version of this trope, cultivating his image as a Brainless Beauty
    Fiyero: "...Life is painless, for the brainless..." Dancing Through Life

Video Games
  • Shadow implies that this is his philosophy in Final Fantasy VI when he warns Terra that some people kill their own emotions. Probably because of his guilt over being unable to give his old friend and partner a Mercy Kill.
  • This is also Squall's viewpoint throughout most of Final Fantasy VIII. After growing up in an orphanage, and then watching everyone he cared about slowly go away one by one, he decided that if people were going to die or otherwise leave him alone, it was better to be alone in the first place to avoid he pain of losing them. He intentionally pushes everyone away to avoid developing bonds with them that would hurt to sever. It takes Rinoa to break him out of it.
  • In Disgaea: Hour of Darkness, Demon Prince Laharl wakes up from a two-year sleep (more like coma) to find out that his father is dead and that he is now inheritor to the throne of Overlord. Angel Trainee Flonne tries to console him about his father's death, but he brushes it off like nothing, which horrifies her. Later, we learn that Laharl ignores his emotions--especially empathy and love--because of the pain of losing his mother when he was young.. Laharl actually cares a lot more than he lets on, but acts indifferent both because he hates the pain, and because he can't look weak as the Overlord.
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