Created By: HiddenFacedMatt on December 20, 2011 Last Edited By: HiddenFacedMatt on January 6, 2012
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Same Assumptions, Opposite Opinions

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"[On Earth], man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much the wheel, New York, wars, and so on while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man for precisely the same reasons."

This is for when two sides share a particular assumption, but have opposite ideas of what it implies because of opposite opinions.

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EDIT: See this thread for clarification of distinction between assumptions and opinions.
Community Feedback Replies: 17
  • December 20, 2011
    Sligh
    Real Life Example: Capitalism vs. (the many proposed forms of) Socialism.
  • December 21, 2011
    Omeganian
    There is also an old joke about a dog and a cat analyzing the human's care for them. The dog's conclusion is that the man is God, the cat's conclusion is that the cat is God.
  • December 21, 2011
    HiddenFacedMatt
    ^^ Reasons for each vary. A lot.

    ^ Not really, because said conclusions are still in the realm of assumptions, not opinions.
  • December 21, 2011
    Belfagor
    ^^^Also, assumptions may vary depending on the examined field.
  • December 21, 2011
    crazysamaritan
    They feed me, they love me, they take care of me.... The same assumptions.
  • December 21, 2011
    SmashingMelons42
    Maybe Same Evidence Different Conclusions? I'm not quite clear on what you're calling assumptions and opinions, but it seems like the same general idea.
  • December 21, 2011
    ACarlssin
    No Real Life examples, since this covers every single political opinion in the universe.
  • December 21, 2011
    HiddenFacedMatt
    ^^ Assumptions are more about what one thinks "is" the case, while opinions are more along the lines of what one would prefer or not prefer. It's very similar to the distinction between facts and opinions, except obviously assumption does not imply the same extent of certainty as fact.
  • December 21, 2011
    crazysamaritan
    In logical debate, assumptions are made explicit, and tend to be of an if/then model, or state something as fact (you assume this statement to be true). Warrants are unspoken assumptions.

    In conversation, assumptions tend to be unspoken, and a difference of assumptions can mean an issue between conclusions.

    What people assume is the same thing as fact. Most Americans assume Columbus proved the earth was round, due to elementary school. Therefore, his discovery is taken as fact.

    In science, evidence is collected in the form of data and a conclusion is drawn from the available evidence. Assumptions are challenged when the evidence does not support the hypothesis and often both assumptions (how the experiment worked) and the hypothesis (the goal of the experiment) are challenged.

    Therefore, the trope is closest to the scientific method, and might be better as Same Evidence Opposite Conclusion.

    If any other pendants have useful details to add, it would be appreciated. I've used up 80% of my relevant knowledge already.
  • December 24, 2011
    HiddenFacedMatt
    ^ Except that the kind of thing I am referring to is when people agree on what the facts are, but have differing opinions on them anyway. (Ie. Each agree X is the case, disagree on whether X is good or bad.)
  • December 25, 2011
    crazysamaritan
    I'm stretching here but... Can't a conclusion, in common usage, mean an opinion, too?
  • December 29, 2011
    HiddenFacedMatt
    ^ If "common usage" were to say that box means bottle, or that teacup means windowsill, is that excuse enough to misuse those words too? I don't think "common usage" is a very meaningful criterion here.
  • December 30, 2011
    crazysamaritan
    Common usage is how definitions enter the dictionary. If "teacup" is commonly used to refer to a windowsill, then it goes into the dictionary as a meaning of "teacup".

    The term "what's up" means "give me information on anything that may fit the definition of up", but common usage is "how are you doing since the last time we met?".

    In the same way, when people draw conclusions, aren't they giving their opinions?
  • December 30, 2011
    OftenPartisan
    Real Life example: what is known as Valence Politics. This is a case where all parties agree on an aim, for example, all political parties agree that we should reduce crime; no political party runs on the idea that crime should be increased. However, they may disagree on the means to reduce crime for example a more left wing party may focus on rehabilitation whereas a more right wing one may focus on increased punishment. This is opposed to issue politics where there is general disagreement on the desirability of an aim eg. gay marriage.
  • December 30, 2011
    SharleeD
    The "Glass Half Empty/Full" scenario would qualify as this.
  • January 5, 2012
    HiddenFacedMatt
    ^^^ Not really, that's not exactly what an opinion is in the first place. See the linked thread. And "common usage" doesn't necessarily enter the dictionary, it might not if it's only temporary and/or if its commonality is primarily among the misinformed.

    Anyway, we could use more fictional examples, it really shouldn't be primarily RL.
  • January 6, 2012
    billybobfred
    There are a handful of tropes on This Very Wiki that are defined like this. The only pair that comes to mind would be the Nietzsche Wannabe and The Anti Nihilist.

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