Created By: deltanine on July 30, 2012 Last Edited By: judasmartel on April 24, 2016
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Male Might, Female Finesse

A Force And Finesse dynamic with a Force guy and a Finesse girl.

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In fiction, male-female fighting pairs tend to have the guys dealing damage from close range while the girls stay out of the front lines and dish out damage from long range either as an archer or a mage (or both) or heal up the guy doing all the fighting.

Then there are male-female pairs where the girl is also a melee fighter, but her fighting style focuses more on speed and precision strikes while he simply smashes his way through the enemies through sheer strength.

Male Might, Female Finesse is basically Force And Finesse combined with stereotypical gender roles. It describes a foil where a stronger but slower male character is paired with a faster but weaker Action Girl as an Action Duo. Women don't tend to be as physically strong as men, so they tend to make up for that with agility and reflexes. You can expect said women to have lots of Waif-Fu.

This portrayal and dynamic exists because of the Mars-and-Venus Gender Contrast; stereotypical men are strong and durable while stereotypical women are agile and flexible, and it's rare for them to mix both attributes. This sometimes extends to their temperaments; men would be either boisterous or stiff while women would be more cheerful, open-minded or sultry (though as they're Action Girl they're definitely never "fragile girls"). Of course, expect inversions every once in a while. For their fighting style, expect the male to be brawling with brute force while the female to be agile and graceful, with the female tending to exercise She-Fu and/or Waif-Fu.

Sub-Trope to Men Are Tough and Women Are Delicate. May be part of a Battle Couple, but not always. Can be justified if Huge Guy, Tiny Girl is in play.

Compare Guys Smash, Girls Shoot for another way the gender roles play in fighting.


Examples

Anime and Manga
  • Ranma ˝: A variation occurs in that it's embodied in the same person. Ranma has a curse which turns him into a girl. While his male half is still pretty fast, his female form allows him even greater speed and agility, but at the cost of being smaller and weaker than his male form.
    • This also comes into play during his battle with Herb of the Musk Dynasty. Herb, who is initially locked into a female form, uses a form of Ki Attack that has Ranma baffled, until Herb manages to turn back to male and uses the same attack, at which point Ranma can see what's happening. Herb's female form had done it so blinding fast Ranma couldn't make heads or tails of it.
Comic Books
  • Marvel Comics' duo Cloak & Dagger are composed of Cloak, a Mighty Glacier type hero paired with Dagger, a Fragile Speedster type with She-Fu. Cloak enfolds villains and mooks in the darkness of his cloak, wherein they come face-to-face with their own wickedness. Baddies emerge quivering, terrified wrecks. Dagger is an angelic young woman who has had ballet and dance lessons, and can fling "light-knives" that can cause villainous BSOD, or "cure" substance addiction.
  • DC Comics: The 90's version of the team Hawk and Dove featured a male Hawk whose strategy usually consisted of wading in and punching his opponent as hard as possible, and a female Dove who was weaker but more agile and much more subtle in her strategy.
  • Inverted when Marvel Comics ran some story arcs around X-Men members Gambit and Rogue as a romantic pair. Gambit tends to be quick and elusive in combat, flinging kinetic energy at adversaries, while Rogue is a melee scrapper, able to absorb the traits and powers of those she contacts.
  • Marvel Comics' cosmic colossus Galactus is a world-devouring Mighty Glacier, largely impervious to mundane weapons. However, populated worlds can be problematic, so Galactus for a time had a herald called Nova, a superheroine given the powers of blistering flames and limitless flight. Nova arrives first, informs the populace that "time's up," burns off their puny resistance, then Galactus comes and finishes off their whole planet.
  • X-Men: Colossus the Husky Russkie with metallic skin is often paired with Kitty Pride, an Intangible Woman who has trained in ninja skills.
  • The Duo of Stargirl (AKA Courtney Whitmore) and S.T.R.I.P.E. (Pat Dugan) from DC comics have this dynamic. The relies on a combination of speed and agility (along with her Cosmic staff to shoot) while the later fights using Powered Armor that gives him greater strength to make for its slower speed.

Film Live Action

Literature

Live-Action TV
  • One episode of The Six Million Dollar Man is "The Secret of Bigfoot," which has The Hero Steve Austin encounter a band of aliens living in a secluded woodland. They have a huge android called Sasquatch, whose strength keeps Colonel Austin in check. Sasquatch's chief controller is Shalon, an alien humanoid female with a device on her Utility Belt that allows her warp time around herself, an effect that mimics teleportation. Only Steve's bionic eye can track Shalon in this accelerated mode.

Video Games
  • In Rise of the Kasai, male playable character Rau uses sheer might in battle while the female playable character Tati uses quick reflexes and flipping around.
  • Batman: Arkham City. Batman tends to use heavy punches and kicks while Catwoman flips around and cartwheels.
  • Zaalbar (a Mighty Glacier wookie) and Mission (a stealthy rogue girl) in Knights of the Old Republic.
  • Any party of a Marauder or a Templar (Strength-based male characters) and a Ranger (pure Dexterity-based female character) in Path of Exile.
  • Half-Life 2's Gordon Freeman and Alyx Vance. The audio commentary for the first expansion/episode says that the reason Alyx can jump and climb better than the player is that she's more athletic while Gordon's more heavily built (and wearing Powered Armour, of course).
  • Mortal Kombat
  • Gender Inverted with Jack Russell and Ridley Silverlake in Radiata Stories.
  • In Mass Effect 2, Garrus tells the story of a female colleague, with whom he once resolved his differences in a sparring: the fight went undecided because he "had reach, she had flexibility". Afterwards, they had a "rematch"... in bed, and it must have been good, since he reiterates that "he had reach, she had flexibility".
  • In the Tekken series, Kazuya Mishima and his son Jin Kazama are unstoppable Lightning Bruisers who can transform into One Winged Angels, while their respective Love Interests Jun Kazama and Ling Xiaoyu rely on their Waif-Fu to kick ass.
  • In Trine, we have Pontius the Mighty Glacier guy and Zoya the agile, sneaky thief woman.
  • Devil May Cry: The second game featured co-protagonists Dante and Lucia. The former's moves are based on strong attacks while the latter was less powerful but made to be more agile and quicker. Trish, by virtue of being based on Dante's move set from the first game, however, is a subversion - by being both strong and female.
  • Awesomenauts plays with this: the male characters run the gamut in terms of capabilities, but the four females currently on the roster are all balanced toward speed.
  • Eddie and Ophelia in Brütal Legend: he sports a ridiculous Heroic Build and fights with a giant double axe, while she is a petite girl who dual-wields daggers and relies on evasive moves. Also an example of Huge Guy, Tiny Girl.

Web Original
  • The People Are Awesome youtube video features lots of clips where men do amazing sports activities or potentially dangerous stunts, while the few clips with women all focus on their flexibility.
Community Feedback Replies: 108
  • July 30, 2012
    Koveras
    Compare Guys Smash Girls Shoot.

  • July 30, 2012
    NimmerStill
    I guess you could say it's exaggerated in both.
  • July 30, 2012
    Rognik
    I assume the woman usually has some from of Waif Fu? Also compare/contrast Guys Smash Girls Shoot
  • July 30, 2012
    Bisected8
  • July 31, 2012
    MorganWick
    ^x3 I'd rather not put every single Rubber Man ever as an "exaggerated" straight example or inversion.
  • July 31, 2012
    judasmartel
    @deltanine Aww, I think you've beaten me to it.

    I planned a YKTTW similar to this, and this one also fits my description of males being Mighty Glaciers and females Fragile Speedsters.

    ^^ Guys Smash Girls Shoot is the trope where guys are often portrayed as melee fighters while the girls are usually mages spewing fireballs or healing the male fighter or are ranged weapon specialists.

    Mighty Male Flexible Female, on the other hand, is all about guys being Mighty Glaciers or Lightning Bruisers and the girls being Fragile Speedsters in comparison.

    And yes, the female fighter usually has a form of Waif Fu, especially considering that they're often portrayed as Fragile Speedsters compared to the melee guys.

    My examples:

  • July 31, 2012
    Rognik
    ^Well, that's why I said compare/contrast. I didn't say the tropes were the same, but they will certainly be seen as the same or confused as such.
  • July 31, 2012
    Koveras
    Dunno if it counts...

    • In Mass Effect 2, Garrus tells the story of a female colleague, with whom he once resolved his differences in a sparring: the fight went undecided because he "had reach, she had flexibility". Afterwards, they had a "rematch"... in bed, and it must have been good, since he reiterates that "he had reach, she had flexibility".
  • August 1, 2012
    Warpcorps
    Mr. and Mrs. Incredible from The Incredibles.
  • August 1, 2012
    KingZeal
    This is She Fu.
  • August 1, 2012
    Kiddo
    She Fu doesn't make note of any of the male element in it. This is more about the pairup of a contrasting duo.
  • August 1, 2012
    KingZeal
    Ah. Then it's a Missing Supertrope. Okay.

    It's a subtrope of Women Are Delicate, then.
  • August 1, 2012
    TheWanderer
    • The People Are Awesome youtube video features lots of clips where men do amazing sports activities or potentially dangerous stunts, while the few clips with women all focus on their flexibility.
  • August 1, 2012
    judasmartel
  • August 9, 2012
    beamerpook
    Animated Movies - Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl!
  • August 13, 2014
    XFllo
    Five hats when this draft is in such a poor state? De-hatting.
  • August 13, 2014
    ZuTheSkunk
    Is the sponsor of this still around? This should be Up For Grabs if not...
  • August 13, 2014
    KTera
  • August 13, 2014
    DAN004
    I would like to grab this. :D
  • August 13, 2014
    Bisected8
    Well, deltanine's still around (he's been making frequent edits, the last of which was just a few days ago). It might be best to PM him to see if he's abandoned this YKTTW first.
  • August 13, 2014
    BaffleBlend
    The page image should absolutely be of Mr. Incredible and Elastagirl. I can't think of a specific still, though.
  • August 13, 2014
    JesseMB27
    Video Games
    • Devil May Cry: The second game featured co-protagonists Dante and Lucia. The former's moves are based on strong attacks while the latter was less powerful but made to be more agile and quicker. Trish, by virtue of being based on Dante's move set from the first game, however is a subversion.
  • August 13, 2014
    zarpaulus
    • In Quantum Rip the aliens turning humans into Pantherines apparently turn those with technical aptitudes into females, because they're smaller and can fit into tight spaces, and those they deem fit only for manual labor into hulking males.
  • August 13, 2014
    IndirectActiveTransport
    Ahem

    Flexibility, reflexes and agility are not the same things. They go nice together but so does strength. These traits can all be mutually exclusive.

    Flexible people, excepting double joints/hyper mobility, tend to be more durable that stiff people. Therefore this should not be counted as a subtrope of "women are delicate". Flexibility is invaluable in a fight when it comes to applying and escaping holds. Holds tend to be a more surefire way of putting people down than striking alone if your target does not know how to or is unable to counter them.

    I'm not in favor of this page. This is just a duplicate of Prejudiced For Pecs, with gender terms thrown in.
  • August 13, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ semantic issues that can be easily solved.
  • August 14, 2014
    KingZeal
    ^^ Real life facts aren't relevant to a trope. The popular belief, and usage of the trope is that a less-durable woman uses flexibility while men tough it out. Thus, in cultural osmosis, flexibility has become synonymous with delicateness.
  • August 14, 2014
    IndirectActiveTransport
    Okay, I know its ratings have since tanked but WWE Smackdown used to get consistently high ratings and on that show it was pointed out both Melina and AJ Lee had high submission tolerance due to their high flexibility.

    Whatever, UFC basically took pro wrestling's spot in pop culture and what does it say under the Charles Atlas Superpower entry on the Mixed Martial Arts page? Why, it talks about flexible guys and how incredible they are at escaping holds.

    But all the same, this is still a duplicate trope. Prejudiced For Pecs already has an examples elaborating on how it applies to men vs men, men vs women and women vs women. The aforementioned Melina and AJ used their Flexibility, Agility, ect to over come the larger, stronger Beth Phoenix and Tamina Snuka. Before them Shaniqua was the big scary chick on Smackdown who forced guys to tumble around if they were smaller than Shelton Benjamin, who she was basically the same size as and many were, given the Cruiserweight division was a thing at the time. Before that, Chyna was the big muscle lady who competed with the smaller, more agile Lita. Before that, there were Bull Nakano and Betha Fayfe against the more flexible Madusa...and those are just some WWE examples, mostly picked from just Smackdown at that. In the wide world of wrestling, examples never really cease, only one's knowledge of them does. Need more be provided?

    Semantics aside, flexibility being considered a delicate trait in popular culture aside, experience says counter examples from sports and wrestling do not convince people they're wrong about a seemingly popular notion lest the example list is absolutely exhaustive, I have at least demonstrated why this is just The Same But More Specific to an extant page and that's more than enough reason not to launch it. Prejudiced For Pecs covers this and more. I feel if more people paid attention when I took it to the repair shop for some tweaking, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.(for one, its a bad name and Muscles Are Meaningful is not an improvement)
  • August 14, 2014
    oneuglybunny
    Comic Books
    • Marvel Comics' duo Cloak And Dagger are composed of Cloak, a Mighty Glacier type hero paired with Dagger, a Fragile Speedster type with She Fu. Cloak enfolds villains and mooks in the darkness of his cloak, wherein they come face-to-face with their own wickedness. Baddies emerge quivering, terrified wrecks. Dagger is an angelic young woman who has had ballet and dance lessons, and can fling "light-knives" that can cause villainous BSOD, or "cure" substance addiction.
  • August 14, 2014
    TrueShadow1
    ^ I have no idea what your point is.

    Muscles Are Meaningful: Strong characters have big muscles

    This trope: Male characters are tough and strong, while female characters are weaker but more agile/flexible/whatever.

    Very different tropes.
  • August 14, 2014
    Arivne
    • Examples section formatting
      • Added the word "Examples".
      • Changed media section title(s) to All Caps.
      • Deleted unnecessary blank line(s).
      • Namespaced and italicized work name(s).
  • August 14, 2014
    AP
  • August 14, 2014
    IndirectActiveTransport
    True shadow, no. Muscles Are Meaningful is not as simple as "Strong Characters Have Big Muscles", that's why it is a poorly named page.

    It is "Characters with big muscles must be strong and smaller characters must be quicker, stealthier and more agile." It is also "Does it actually make sense for these muscles to be like that." but that's neither here nor there...

    ...Well actually it is. You see men are naturally bigger than women, it's called sexual dimorphism and it is mundane as people sitting on chairs. This proposed page "Man Is Bigger And Stronger, Women is smaller and more reflexive/flexible/agile" is already covered by "Characters with big muscles must be strong and smaller characters must be quicker, stealthier and more agile." The muscles are meaningful page even says "The Giant will always be portrayed this way, even if he's mostly fat." which is all the more evidence the people who decided to rename the page didn't bother to read it.

    Prejudiced For Pecs already covers bigger character is stronger, smaller character is quicker, faster, has better reflexes, is more stealthy. We can easily add "more flexible" to that list and be done with it. It covers strong man quick woman. It covers strong man smaller quicker man. It covers bruiser woman and waif woman. It covers people being overly muscular for little reason and people being drawn with the wrong muscles. It covers guys who are not particularly good at something being put in a role just because they look strong.

    Prejudiced For Pecs already covers everything this page could cover and more, much more. That's why I'm against the idea for this page. I mean if you want to talk about gender roles I'm fine with that, I may disagree with your views on them but we already have a page for that purpose. We can go and debate it there. "Muscles Are Meaningful" just needs more attention and a better name (and maybe a laconic, I think I'm going to give it a laconic). Its a page about size expectations in general. (Mzkyplx is stronger than Doomsday but he doesn't punch anyone so is drawn smaller)
  • August 14, 2014
    TheWanderer
  • August 14, 2014
    acrobox
    Just this is just Men Are Tough and Women Are Delicate at the same time. Or Muscles Are Meaningful and a small female character uses She Fu or Waif Fu in the same series. Or the Mighty Glacier is a guy and the Fragile Speedster is a girl in the same game.

    It's an X + Y trope that's already covered by the tropes around it.
  • August 14, 2014
    hbi2k
    I'd consider a name change to something like "Mighty Males Fast Females", since "flexible" can imply "able to deal with many different kinds of situation" as opposed to physical agility and speed.

    A laconic to boil this trope down to its essence would help people better understand it, I think. The description could be fleshed out from there. The laconic could read something like,

    "A dynamic in which a physically strong male character is contrasted with a physically fast and agile female character."
  • August 14, 2014
    acrobox
    ^ but thats the same x+y problem I mentioned above

    that dynamic is already implied as long as you dont have a male character (like Spiderman) using She Fu or Waif Fu
  • August 14, 2014
    hbi2k
    ^ I dunno, by that logic isn't Guys Smash Girls Shoot just a female Long Range Fighter and male Close Range Combatant?

    I think this is tropable as long as the male Mighty Glacier and female Fragile Speedster are explicitly paired and contrasted as opposed to "both happen to exist in the same universe." So Captain America and Black Widow would count in Winter Soldier, in which they spend much of the film working side-by-side, but not in Avengers, in which they're part of a larger team and not particularly paired up and contrasted.
  • August 14, 2014
    acrobox
    ^ it would be the same except that female flexibility isn't covered by Fragile Speedster. It's covered by She Fu and Waif Fu. Theres no Female Archer trope that would be the equivalent for Guys Smash Girls Shoot

    Basically if you say a female character uses She Fu its implied that male characters dont. Mighty Male Flexible Female is implied because Flexible Female is already a trope.

    If you say a female character is a Long Range Fighter, it doesnt say anything about male characters. so you can then make a female Long Range Fighter is paired with a male Close Range Combatant trope to make that connection explicit. Guys Smash Girls Shoot is not implied because Shooter Girl is not a trope.
  • August 14, 2014
    acrobox
    We tried launching a shooter girl or archer girl trope a while back but it got canned because people felt that Guys Smash Girls Shoot covered it. If this passed we'd have to put up Shooter Girl again. thats all. Either way.
  • August 14, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ your deal with "x+y" tropes is invalid with Trope Rithmetic.
  • August 14, 2014
    DAN004
    As this is tagged up for grabs I'll grab this.
  • August 14, 2014
    TrueShadow1
    @Indirect Active Transport The only thing indicating "large guys are strong, small guys are agile" is the following paragraph:

    This frequently carries the opposite meaning as well: small characters are usually elusive, quiet, agile, stealthy and quick, while large characters being such will not be believable.

    The bolded parts imply to me that "small characters are quick" are of "secondary" nature. That is, there is a tendency for that, but it's not integral to the trope. Heck, 95% of the examples list only the "characters with muscles are strong" part without mentioning small characters.

    For comparison, the page for Long Range Fighter says that the trope often overlaps with Glass Cannon or Difficult But Awesome, but it doesn't have to. That trope is simply about someone who specialized in fighting at long range, that's all.
  • August 14, 2014
    TrueShadow1
    Also there's Force And Finesse, which is pretty similar to this trope, without the gender. In regards to Guys Smash Girls Shoot, there's Short Range Guy Long Range Guy
  • August 15, 2014
    TBTabby
    Awesomenauts partially subverts this: the male characters run the gamut in terms of capabilities, but the four females currently on the roster are all balanced toward speed.
  • August 15, 2014
    IndirectActiveTransport
    it is generally assumed that characters with big muscles must be strong. In most media, this compels creators to depict strong characters as with hulking muscular builds, often disregarding what kind of build people in any given activity would be likely to have, for fear not doing so would risk forcing the audience out of the story.

    The paragraph on large characters is no more absolute than frequently, usually used in the small characters. The only difference is that it is longer.

    Plus there are roughly 15 examples that do mention both cases of size expectation, pretty much every wrestling example, both live action television cases and every comic book example except for the King Pin, and even then, King Pin is pretty agile as a "subversion" so I'd maybe bump that to 16. There are then 15 or 16 examples, if you are being generous in the other way, that are just "these ones have big muscles and are strong" but I'm wondering how much of that is simply misuse resulting from the new name?

    Force And Finesse at least had a You Know That Thing Where but still no laconic. I might have to give one to that page too. That one seems to be more about method than size, but I haven't really taken it all in yet to know what my current opinion is of all this yet. I still think Muscles Are Meaningful is a terrible name and needs to be changed, but am going to rethink its relationship to Force And Finesse, this page, whether I'm still against its launching or maybe if one of the older two should just be put on the chopping block.
  • August 15, 2014
    KingZeal
    What is your argument? I honestly read through all that and came away with not a clue of what your goal is here.
  • August 20, 2014
    DAN004
    Needs better description...
  • August 20, 2014
    IndirectActiveTransport
    Oh, King Zeal? To refute True Shadow's, with the post directly above yours. I don't have a clear goal because I still haven't read force an finesse, which is why I said I was going to rethink whether I think this page might be worth launching.

    At the time, I did not feel the page was worth launching because we already have prejudiced for pecs and thought we should just fix that page rather than launch a whole bunch of similar pages that describe the same thing in increasingly arbitrary ways (a bunch of pages that all amount to "small characters quick stealthy, large character strong and slow." I'm thinking it over now because despite my efforts a samey page has been launched already. Prejudiced For Pecs might need changing-merging now, to a degree I might except this one after all.
  • August 20, 2014
    SpellcraftQuill
    To add to Mortal Kombat X, there's the newcomer duo of Ferra and Torr.
  • August 20, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ explain more plz.
  • September 2, 2014
    DAN004
    Pmub
  • September 2, 2014
    hbi2k
    Description could use some work. Right now it's pretty sparse, and it starts out on the wrong foot with vague language ("it's usually"? WTF?).
  • September 2, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ could you give me some help on that?
  • September 2, 2014
    JonnyB
    Title should be Mighty Male, Agile Female, not Mighty Male, Fast Female.
  • September 2, 2014
    hbi2k
    ^ And abandon the Added Alliterative Appeal?
  • September 10, 2014
    JoeG
    • DC Comics: The 90's version of the team Hawk and Dove featured a male Hawk whose strategy usually consisted of wading in and punching his opponent as hard as possible, and a female Dove who was weaker but more agile and much more subtle in her strategy.
  • September 16, 2014
    DAN004
    Bump?
  • September 16, 2014
    Snicka
  • September 16, 2014
    Snicka
    ^^^^ How about Mighty Male Flexible Female, then?
  • September 16, 2014
    hbi2k
    ^ That's the name it started under. The problem is that "flexible" doesn't really imply speed or agility.

    Is there some problem with the current name that I'm not seeing?
  • September 16, 2014
    oneuglybunny
    Comic Books
    • Inverted when Marvel Comics ran some story arcs around X Men members Gambit and Rogue as a romantic pair. Gambit tends to be quick and elusive in combat, flinging kinetic energy at adversaries, while Rogue is a melee scrapper, able to absorb the traits and powers of those she contacts.
  • September 16, 2014
    Tallens
    Fast and flexible are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
  • September 16, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ But then "fast" is shorter. :P
  • September 17, 2014
    JonnyB
    Another problem with "fast female" is the Unfortunate Implication of sexual looseness.
  • September 17, 2014
    kjnoren
    I think pretty much everything here is covered by Force And Finesse. The gender tendencies can easily be added to the page.
  • September 17, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ so you're proposing that this is an Internal Subtrope for Force And Finesse?

    Then why do we have Guys Smash Girls Shoot if we have Short Range Guy Long Range Guy?
  • September 17, 2014
    hbi2k
    ^^^ @Jonny B - That's... more than a bit of a stretch.
  • September 17, 2014
    kjnoren
    ^^ No, though the gender tendence can be noted there.

    Note also that I think Guys Smash Girls Shoot is older than Short Range Guy Long Range Guy, and that both of them use gendered language.

    ^ How so?
  • September 17, 2014
    hbi2k
    ^ Sorry, got my number of "up arrows" wrong. Fixed it.

    To clarify, I meant that I think that worrying about folks misconstruing "fast" to mean "easy" is a stretch.
  • September 17, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ this. Weird slang either way.

    ^^ Like Guys Smash Girls Shoot, it's the play on gender stereotypes that makes this ykttw distinct.
  • September 19, 2014
    Tallens
    • In Pacific Rim Hong Kong is attacked by a pair of Kaiju; Leatherback, a massive, hulking brawler, and Otachi, a more slender creature with faster attacks, and the ability to fly. Otachi is shown to be female when it turns out she's pregnant.
  • October 4, 2014
    DAN004
    Bump
  • October 4, 2014
    oneuglybunny
    Comic Books
    • Marvel Comics' cosmic colossus Galactus is a world-devouring Mighty Glacier, largely impervious to mundane weapons. However, populated worlds can be problematic, so Galactus for a time had a herald called Nova, a superheroine given the powers of blistering flames and limitless flight. Nova arrives first, informs the populace that "time's up," burns off their puny resistance, then Galactus comes and finishes off their whole planet.
  • October 4, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ That reminds me:
  • December 8, 2014
    DAN004
    Bump plz.
  • December 8, 2014
    hbi2k
    The description is pretty thin. Some discussion of why this trope occurs and how it tends to play out would help.
  • December 8, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ Can you help me with that?
  • December 8, 2014
    hbi2k
    Something about the Mars And Venus Gender Contrast inherent in the trope, for a start. Maybe a word or two about instances when they also act as Foils in temperament as well as ability, and how the trope plays out when they're Love Interests versus Platonic Life Partners.
  • January 25, 2015
    DAN004
    Bump.
  • May 21, 2015
    TBTabby
    To add to Mortal Kombat, the latest entry has Ferra/Torr, two characters that fight as one. Ferra is small and fast, and Torr is huge and powerful.
  • July 24, 2015
    judasmartel
    It's been untouched for a while. Should we add all these examples to the Force And Finesse page?
  • July 24, 2015
    Koveras
    • Eddie and Ophelia in Brutal Legend: he sports a ridiculous Heroic Build and fights with a giant double axe, while she is a petite girl who dual-wields daggers and relies on evasive moves. Also an example of Huge Guy Tiny Girl.
  • December 5, 2015
    JesseMB27
    Comics
    • The Duo of Stargirl (AKA Courtney Whitmore) and S.T.R.I.P.E. (Pat Dugan) from DC comics have this dynamic. The relies on a combination of speed and agility (along with her Cosmic staff to shoot) while the later fights using Powered Armor that gives him greater strength to make for its slower speed.
  • December 5, 2015
    NoirGrimoir
    Why are you guys trying so hard to kill this trope? I don't get it.
  • December 5, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ Come on, it's the past now.
  • December 16, 2015
    judasmartel
    Maybe we should just make this trope an Internal Subtrope of Force And Finesse and explain there the tendency of males to be the Force and the females to be the Finesse.
  • December 16, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ I don't mind.
  • December 16, 2015
    oneuglybunny
    Live Action TV
    • One episode of The Six Million Dollar Man is "The Secret of Bigfoot," which has The Hero Steve Austin encounter a band of aliens living in a secluded woodland. They have a huge android called Sasquatch, whose strength keeps Colonel Austin in check. Sasquatch's chief controller is Shalon, an alien humanoid female with a device on her Utility Belt that allows her warp time around herself, an effect that mimics teleportation. Only Steve's bionic eye can track Shalon in this accelerated mode.
  • December 21, 2015
    JesseMB27
    Western Animation
    • Gargoyles: Macbeth's minions Banquo and Fleance have this dynamic to some extent. Whenever they find themselves in altercations where they can't use guns Banquo is the male who takes a more brute force pugilistic approach while Fleance tends to use a more speed based fighting style.
  • January 22, 2016
    DAN004
    Bump
  • January 23, 2016
    StarSword
    Literature:
  • January 23, 2016
    DAN004
    I'm thinking of one example in Ben 10 Ultimate Alien where there's a guy who's a Four-Arms and his female partner who's an XLR 8. Can't elaborate further tho.
  • February 9, 2016
    ANTMuddle
  • March 17, 2016
    judasmartel
    I like the first one, but the second one can make a good alternative title.
  • March 17, 2016
    judasmartel
  • March 17, 2016
    DAN004
    Yo, martel-chan, you know I'm still around, right?
  • March 17, 2016
    judasmartel
  • March 17, 2016
    judasmartel
  • March 19, 2016
    ANTMuddle
    OK, before we launch, can we look at a page snapshot?
  • March 19, 2016
    Tallens
  • March 19, 2016
    Monolaf317
    Can we just launch this already? Look at all the hats!
  • March 19, 2016
    DAN004
    ^ check if there are any more un-added examples. If there's any, add it. Then you're good to go. :)

    At this point I don't think there are any more issues with the title or description.
  • March 19, 2016
    acrobox
    i second Male Might Female Finesse. It's the same but with Alliteration which is always cool
  • March 20, 2016
    DAN004
    ^ Agree
  • March 27, 2016
    judasmartel
    Shall we launch this now?
  • March 27, 2016
    acrobox
    do it
  • March 28, 2016
    Tallens
    Yes, let's.

    Actually, would this count if the male and female are actually the same person?

    • Ranma One Half: A variation occurs in that it's embodied in the same person. Ranma has a curse which turns him into a girl. While his male half is still pretty fast, his female form allows him even greater speed and agility, but at the cost of being smaller and not as strong as his male form. This also comes into play during his battle with Herb of the Musk Dynasty. Herb, who is initially locked into a female form, uses a form of Ki Attack that has Ranma baffled, until Herb manages to turn back to male and uses the same attack, at which point Ranma can see what's happening. Herb's female form had done it so blinding fast Ranma couldn't make heads or tails of it.
  • March 28, 2016
    DAN004
    ^ It counts.

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