Created By: JonnyB on May 23, 2011 Last Edited By: JonnyB on October 9, 2011

Rap Feud

Two Hip Hop artists REALLY don't get along with each other.

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Sometimes they're for real, two rappers just hate each other's guts. Other times they're promotional, driving up record sales for both performers. Either way, the Rap Feud is a staple of the Hip-Hop industry. This usually spills over into Fandom Rivalry. The rivalries and "beefs" are often expressed in Diss Songs, or the two rappers can share billing and have it out in a Rap Battle.

Possible redirect: Rap Battle, Diss Song

Examples of Rap Feuds:

Film
  • Beef, a documentary about rap feuds.

Live-Action TV
  • Beef: The Series involved these. The rap battles were usually friendly. Usually.
  • This was the reason Snoop Dogg found himself a suspect in the Monk episode "Mr. Monk and The Rapper." He didn't do it. The guy he had the feud with wasn't even the target of the car bomb that killed him. The bomber used a pocketwatch to time the bomb, intending to kill his business partner, but he forgot that Daylight Savings Time was in effect, so the watch wasn't set right.
  • One episode of the Flight of the Conchords TV series has them trying to invoke this by doing a rap dissing every famous rapper they can think of (badly: "Eminem... is not very good! Snoop Dogg... is not very good!"). Then Bret starts a gang in case any of the rappers mentioned take offense and decide to get violent. (Which of course they don't, since the band is so small-time that it's unlikely that any of said rappers will ever even hear the song.)

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Examples of Rap Battles:

Film
  • Rap battles feature prominently in the film 8 Mile.

Music

Web Original

Western Animation
  • An episode of Robot Chicken had Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd going at it in such a manner.
  • In an episode of The Simpsons Bart sneaks out of the house to go to a rap concert, and ends up in a rap battle with the headlining act. And wins.
  • In episode 22 of The Cleveland Show, "Harder, Better, Faster, Browner", Cleveland Brown, Jr. engages in a rap battle against a character voiced by Kanye West.

Community Feedback Replies: 24
  • May 23, 2011
    jaytee
    Are there fictional examples or is this a Music trope only?
  • May 23, 2011
    JonnyB
    I'm not sure, that's why I put it here. I'm sure there are some movies, TV shows or Anime that have used it as a plot device, but I don't know of any personally.
  • May 23, 2011
    X2X
    If you're going for a non-Real Life example, an episode of Robot Chicken had Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd going at it in such a manner.

    Also, there was a show called Beef that involved this. The rap battles were usually friendly. Usually.
  • May 24, 2011
    Dcoetzee
    Epic Rap Battles Of History.

    I'm also sure this has shown up in some recent films, but I can't remember what they were. Need some help.
  • May 24, 2011
    hotrods4ben
  • May 24, 2011
    Aspie
    • This was the reason Snoop Dogg found himself a suspect in the Monk episode "Mr. Monk and The Rapper." He didn't do it. The guy he had the feud with wasn't even the target of the car bomb that killed him. The bomber used a pocketwatch to time the bomb, intending to kill his business partner, but he forgot that Daylight Savings Time was in effect, so the watch wasn't set right.
  • May 25, 2011
    bluepenguin
    ^^ One episode of the Flight Of The Conchords TV series also has them trying to invoke this by doing a rap dissing every famous rapper they can think of (badly: "Eminem... is not very good! Snoop Dogg... is not very good!"). Then Bret starts a gang in case any of the rappers mentioned take offense and decide to get violent. (Which of course they don't, since the band is so small-time that it's unlikely that any of said rappers will ever even hear the song.)
  • May 25, 2011
    Wulf
    If it's the episode I'm thinking of, the Robot Chicken thing isn't an example- that was just a rap battle.
  • May 25, 2011
    JonnyB
    I'm lumping rap battle in with rap feud, I don't see the need to split the two just yet... besides, Bugs and Elmer have had an ongoing feud for years.
  • May 25, 2011
    jaytee
    Really, a "rap battle" is something entirely different than a "rap feud." A feud is something ongoing (and to what this trope refers to), a rap battle is more of a single event in which the participants "battle" by freestyling for an audience.
  • May 26, 2011
    JonnyB
    So should it be split off? I'm not sure there's that many examples of one without the other, I think there's a lot of overlap.
  • May 26, 2011
    Wulf
    Definitely should be split. A rap feud or a rap beef, whatever you want to call it is more like when I insult you in a bunch of my songs and you do the same to me. Our record labels may get involved and pretty soon it's my whole crew versus yours and somebody probably ends up dead. A rap battle's just what jaytee said- two+ rappers freestyle to prove who's better.

    And the other reason the Robot Chicken one doesn't count is because it was a parody of this scene of Eight Mile.
  • May 27, 2011
    Arivne
    Nthing Rap Feud.
  • May 27, 2011
    JonnyB
    Nthing?
  • May 27, 2011
    jaytee
    ^I assume that's by anology with seconding, thirding, fourthing, nthing.
  • May 31, 2011
    JonnyB
    Ok.

    If I can get a few more examples of both, I'll see if I can split it into two tropes.
  • June 1, 2011
    JonnyB
  • June 15, 2011
    JonnyB
    I think I might just leave this as one trope, since there aren't a lot of rap battle examples being put up, and the two concepts are somewhat linked.
  • June 15, 2011
    randomsurfer
    If you're Lumping...
    • In an episode of The Simpsons Bart sneaks out of the house to go to a rap concert, and ends up in a rap battle with the headlining act. And wins.
  • June 15, 2011
    jaytee
    I have to re-emphasize, a rap battle is completely unrelated to a rap feud, besides the fact that they're part of the culture. Lumping them together is like lumping Heavy Metal Umlaut and British Rock Star because they both involve loud music.

    A rap battle is a specific event or piece of music where two rappers compete at freestyling. It is a contest of skills and the "combatants" need not be enemies - in fact, the entire thing can be completely friendly.

    A rap feud plays out largely in the various media rather than at a specific place and time. More importantly, it is not typically a "friendly" rivalry, as can be the case in a rap battle. The involved parties will likely drop disses in their respective recordings, but you should not expect to hear them on the same song (or even the same label in a lot of cases). While a rap battle is no more violent than your average concert, rap feuds have been known to explode violently from time to time.

    If you don't want to start a Rap Battle YKTTW, then cut it completely from this article and forget about it.
  • June 15, 2011
    jaytee
    ^I should also point out that I am typically a hardcore Lumper, but there is zero justification for keeping these two tropes on one page.
  • June 15, 2011
    JonnyB
    I don't think I have enough yet to launch it either way yet, so we'll just see how it goes.
  • July 12, 2011
    JonnyB
  • October 9, 2011
    JonnyB
    I don't think there's enough examples of either to make two tropes out of them, and the two are definitely related; I'm considering a soft split which could become a hard split over time. Anyway, bumping this so there can be more discussion. :)
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