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Villainous Underdog
An evil character who is outclassed in every regard by the hero they face
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Everybody loves a good David Versus Goliath situation. Watching the heroes triumph over apparently insurmountable odds is something we not only enjoy, but anticipate seeing. It's why tropes like Underdogs Never Lose exist in the first place. So what happens then, when the underdog is the villain?

It's a lot rarer than the opposite, but on occasion you will find a story in which the villain(s) are outmatched, outgunned, outnumbered, or just generally outclassed by the heroes they face off against. In-series and out, the heroes are favoured to win, and have such a clear advantage that it's amazing the villains are able to pose any threat at all. In fact, that's where most of the drama in such a situation comes from—watching as our antagonists, whether through bravery, tenacity, brains, or sheer dumb luck manage to give our heroes a serious run for their money. Alternately, the trope may be Played for Laughs, with the whole point being watching the villain fail spectacularly.

Please note that this isn't just about cases in which the hero is a better fighter than the villain. A Non-Action Big Bad who has thousands of henchmen at his disposal can still be the Goliath to a lone hero's David (though were said Non-Action Big Bad to challenge the hero to a Duel to the Death this trope might be in effect). This is about cases in which an objective look at all factors reveals that the villain, rather than the hero, is at a significant disadvantage across the board.

Expect to see a lot of Villainous Valor in a situation like this. For more general David & Goliath battles see, well, David Versus Goliath. Often comes up in a Brains: Evil; Brawn: Good situation. Might overlap with Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain if Played for Laughs. See Invincible Hero for the kind of protagonist who is almost guaranteed to have one of these in his Rogues Gallery.


Anime & Manga

Comic Books
  • Lex Luthor is perhaps the single most iconic example in comic books. Where Superman verges on being a Physical God, his archenemy is an unpowered human, distinguished only by his manipulative and technological brilliance, and need to dominate others. Fully aware of the power differential between himself and "the alien", Luthor views himself as a Promethean figure, stealing fire from the gods in order to empower humanity. Said Grant Morrison, "It's essential to find yourself rooting for Lex, at least a little bit, when he goes up against a man-god armed only with his bloody-minded arrogance and cleverness."
  • Captain Marvel is one of the few characters at DC to be more powerful than Superman. His personal nemesis, Dr. Sivana, is an old man who walks with a cane, and whose Mad Scientist schemes rarely work out the way he plans them.
  • Batman is a supergenius technoninja who mastered every martial art on the planet, and has access to billions of dollars worth of military grade resources. His archfoe, The Joker, is a (usually) physically unimposing clown who doesn't have a fraction of the money, weaponry, or training available to him.
  • Criminal mercenary Mark Scarlotti, alias Whiplash I/Blacklash I, was an athletic man who wore a Kevlar bodysuit and had a pair of titanium whips. He typically used these to fight Iron Man, whose sci-fi arsenal practically defines There Is No Kill Like Overkill. That Scarlotti was a going concern for forty years is a testament to sheer persistence, bravery, and a fair amount of luck.

  • Wendy Alec's Brothers series retells the Bible story with the emphasis on the War in Heaven between God's five sons. Four remain loyal, but the fifth, Lucifer, is the bad apple in the divine orchard. Lucifer's rebellion is retold, but every time he challenges his brother Christos, he inevitably gets Curb Stomped.
  • Jedi Quest has gangster Granta Omega. Unlike his father, Xanatos, who was an ex-Jedi, Omega was born not only without Force powers, but without any connection to The Force whatsoever. Using his status as a "Force Blank" to his advantage, Omega launched a number of plots against the Jedi, typically acting through agents, and using his apparent undetectability to make good his escape. No match for a Jedi in a direct engagement, Omega did his best to make sure he never faced them one-on-one, using deception, hired guns, and bioweaponry to even the odds in his favour.

Live-Action TV
  • Most villains on Smallville, particularly early on. Given Clark's Nigh-Invulnerability, most battles ended as soon as he was able to track the Villain of the Week down, and he was more likely to be injured by the town's Kryptonite deposits than by one of them. As the show went on, increasingly powerful villains who averted this appeared (most notably Brainiac and Major Zod), though his two most beloved (and arguably most dangerous) foes, Lex and Lionel Luthor remained scheming Badass Normals to the end.

Tabletop Games
  • Warhammer 40K: This is occasionally seen in battles with the Forces of Chaos vs Tau. Unlike humans, the Tau cannot be corrupted or influenced by Chaos, their technology is such that they basically outgun and outrange every other force, and, they don't backstab each other/sacrifice their own units every ten minutes.
    • Imperial propaganda tries to protray the various xeno species as this- like Eldar using antiquated tech, or Tau spooking when they hear loud noises, or orks being easy to defeat in close combat. It falls apart the second the troops enter combat.

Video Games
  • Captain Syrup, from Wario Land II steals from Wario at the start of the game, and is running for her life from him the rest of the game. Wario is completely invincible in this game, what with it being impossible to get a Game Over. The hero, if Wario can even be called one, can't have much more of an advantage over the villain than this.

Western Animation
  • Elmer Fudd of Looney Tunes is a particularly infamous (and unintentional) case, since he was so meek and incompetent against Bugs Bunny that even some of the Warner Bros creative team started to think Bugs was coming across more as a petty bully than a defensive trickster. As such the series went through a long list of more challenging opponents to rectify this, though almost all of them still fit this trope.
  • The setup of The Dreamstone. The Land of Dreams consists of the almost omni powerful Dream Maker and an army of magic crafting Wuts. Viltheed consists of the powerful but inactive Zordrak and his incompetent and powerless Urpney army, who were usually reliant on some eccentric gadget of Urpgor's to invade the Land of Dreams, which was usually disposed of easily. As such many episodes' tension was reliant on the heroes making the questionable tactic of sending Muggles, Rufus and Amberley to handle everything, and even they usually trounced the Urpneys to the point of Unnecessary Roughness.
  • Wile E Coyote And Road Runner cartoons are built around this concept, with the smart, but horribly unlucky coyote being thoroughly overmatched by the super fast, equally smart, and and ungodly fortunate Road Runner. Physics itself was always on the Road Runner's side, meaning Wile E's schemes were doomed from the start. A large part of this was, of course, because in the words of Chuck Jones "The audience's sympathy but always remain with the coyote."
  • Sylvester the Cat and Tweety Bird. While Sylvester certainly isn't weaker than Tweety, he's no match for Granny or Hector and has to find ways to sneak past them in order to get at the bird. That's without getting into his fights with Speedy Gonzales or Hippity Hopper.
  • The title character from Samurai Jack is the greatest warrior on the entire planet, frequently having hoards of villains coming at him at once, and beating them soundly. Despite ruling the entire world, Aku actually has to constantly hide his lair around the world to avoid Jack, because he always loses any encounter between them.
  • Many of the villains from The Powerpuff Girls are like this, what with each one of the Girls being almost on a Superman level of power. Notably, though, are the members of the Gangreen Gang, who are pretty much just 5 teenagers with no real powers other than being slightly stronger than normal people... but still being a whole lot weaker than the Girls themselves.

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