Created By: Pichu-kun on April 25, 2016 Last Edited By: WaterBlap on 3 hours ago

LGBT Self-discovery

A character realizes they're queer after seeing something or being put in a certain situation.

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Sometimes, a character needs a little encouragement to realize (or fully understand) that they are on the LGBT spectrum. Usually this involves falling for someone, but it can even be something as simple as seeing something in the media and realizing it fits them.

There is some Truth in Television in this. Many people don't understand what being gay, bisexual, transgender, asexual, etc. are until they see it in fiction or on the news. This is one reason as to why many people believe that LGBT representation in media is important.

Super Trope to Closet Key, which is when feelings for someone provokes the revelation in people.


Examples:

Anime and Manga

Comic Books

Fan Works
  • In the Frozen fanfic Becoming Free, Elsa becomes interested in romance after falling for Freya (not that she realized it at first). Reading classical Greek literature, along with looking at the paintings in her art gallery and putting herself in the characters positions, helped her to realize that she is gay.
  • In the Azumanga Daioh fanfic Warmth Minamo has been repressing her feelings towards her best friend Yukari since high school. Seeing a lesbian couple kissing in the streets gets her to acknowledge her bisexuality and her affections towards Yukari.

Film — Live Action
  • In Mishima A Life In Four Chapters, the famous painting of a bare-chested Saint Sebastian being pierced by arrows that prompts Kimtakes first act of masturbation.
  • The Kevin Klein film In & Out is entirely about this trope. Howard Brackett is a teacher who is outed by one of his former students on national television. Except that Howard doesn't believe he is gay. In fact, he's about to be married to a beautiful woman. However, as his friends start to consider the idea, they notice that the evidence is pretty strong. Eventually, after many shenanigans, Howard finally realizes that the evidence is so strong because it's true.
  • But I'm a Cheerleader has Megan believe that she is straight, more-so because she doesn't fully understand same-sex attraction, until she is sent to a gay conversion camp by her parents. Here she is told that she is a lesbian, and forced to come out in order to start therapy, to the point that she realizes her feelings for one of the other girls there isn't platonic.

Live-Action TV
  • Supergirl: In season 2, Alex becomes friends with Maggie, a lesbian cop, and tries to console her when she gets dumped by her girlfriend, which Maggie thinks is hitting on her. She initially refutes that she's not gay, but then begins to re-evaluate the situation because of conversations with Winn and her own experience of not liking men and enjoying feeling close to female friends — this especially, the remembering of a romantic discovery that she'd buried, leads her to come out.

Literature
  • Prior to the book, Annie from Annie on My Mind realized she was lesbian. She tried dating a boy a year prior but it didn't work out. Annie herself is the Closet Key to the protagonist.

Theatre

Web Comics
  • In Khaos Komix Amber began having Homoerotic Dreams involving her and the Senshi after watching subbed Sailor Moon episodes with her friends. It also helped reveal her crush towards her friend Nay.
  • Played for Drama in Exiern. Typhan-knee describes how s/he originally realized s/he was gay (or a trans woman; the comic is ambiguous on this point due to multiple writers and a Gender Bender spell that turned the biologically male character into a woman in the first chapter) when he failed to get aroused by two women he intended to rape during a raid as a tribal rite of passage, but then was aroused when he went after a farmboy.
  • Tedd from El Goonish Shive didn't know being nonbinary was a thing until Grace taught him about being genderfluid.

Community Feedback Replies: 46
  • April 25, 2016
    poptartspower
    The name sounds too similar and can be confused with Closet Key. Maybe since they aren't being pressured or forced out of the closet, it could be Stepping Out Of The Closet or Beckoned Out Of The Closet? Or maybe if they discover they are lgbt it could be LGBT Discovery?
  • April 25, 2016
    DAN004
    The title "Lgbt Discovery" would cover both this and Closet Key.
  • April 26, 2016
    Arivne
    • Capitalized (lgbt, tv).
    • Examples section
      • Corrected spelling (girls -> girl's).
  • April 26, 2016
    Pichu-kun
    ^^ For some reason my intended name didn't come through. I fixed it. But, still, this is a prototypical name that can be changed.
  • April 27, 2016
    poptartspower
    Just making sure, this is when they come out of the closet? Or when they find out theyre lgbt? I feel like those are 2 different situations.

  • April 27, 2016
    Pichu-kun
    ^ Latter.
  • April 28, 2016
    poptartspower
    It doesnt sound like they would be in the closet if they never had a reason to. But, maybe Finding Out Youre In The Closet? Discovering Youre In The Closet?

    I think I will make an index LGBT Discovery that can cover these kind of tropes.
  • April 28, 2016
    DAN004
    Being "in the closet" means you're hiding your gayness. Or am I wrong? (From Closet Key, maybe being "in the closet" just means being gay? Dunno, "coming out of the closet" means making your gayness known... right?)
  • April 28, 2016
    Aubren
    If you're "in the closet", then you know you're LGBT+ but keeping it a secret. If you don't know, you can't be in the closet. Because being in the closet is about hiding yourself. Visualize it.
  • April 29, 2016
    DAN004
    ^ so from that, I guess Closet Key is someone who helps you go out of the closet?
  • April 29, 2016
    Pichu-kun
    ^^^^ Well, Closet Key doesn't make much sense either if the character literally didn't know beforehand.
  • December 22, 2016
    aradia22
    Compare Late to the Realization and The Reveal?
  • December 22, 2016
    lakingsif
    Non Romantic Closet Key? or, in a different vein, The Gay Apple Drops (though it could also cover Closet Key, I guess, it implies that it's an outside realisation)
  • December 22, 2016
    lakingsif
    And to resolve the confusion above, the Closet Key is a person that helps a character realize they're LGBT. That's the trope, though it sounds like it should be the person who convinces them to come out, usually it's both.
  • December 22, 2016
    StarSword
    Maybe LGBT Self-Discovery, for clarity's sake.

    TV:
    • The Vicar Of Dibley: "Dibley Live" has Frank relate how he first realized he was gay when he fell in love with a male farmhand.
  • December 22, 2016
    StarSword
    Webcomics:
    • Played For Drama in Exiern. Typhan-knee describes how s/he originally realized s/he was gay (or a trans woman; the comic is ambiguous on this point due to multiple writers and a Gender Bender spell that turned the biologically male character into a woman in the first chapter) when he failed to get aroused by two women he intended to rape during a raid as a tribal rite of passage, but then was aroused when he went after a farmboy.
  • December 23, 2016
    lakingsif
    Would Real Life examples be okay? I think they would, based on the fact it is still representation when the stories are made public, which is the intention of the trope (I think, description does need work).
  • December 24, 2016
    Arivne
    Still Needs A Better Name.

    The current name Outside Source Closet Key is a Bad Snowclone because someone reading it will have no chance of realizing what it's about unless they know what a Closet Key is.
  • December 24, 2016
    Xtifr
    Agree, the name must go.

    • The Kevin Klein film In And Out is entirely about this trope. Howard Brackett is a teacher who is outed by one of his former students on national television. Except that Howard doesn't believe he is gay. In fact, he's about to be married to a beautiful woman. However, as his friends start to consider the idea, they notice that the evidence is pretty strong. Eventually, after many shenanigans, Howard finally realizes that the evidence is so strong because it's true.
  • December 25, 2016
    lakingsif
    Film
    • But Im A Cheerleader has Megan believe that she is straight, moreso because she doesn't fully understand same-sex attraction) until she is sent to a gay conversion camp by her parents. Here she is told that she is a lesbian, and forced to come out in order to start therapy, to the point that she realizes her feelings for one of the other girls there isn't platonic.
  • December 25, 2016
    Martine34
    Its not atrope. Its just a plot. Why should it be a trope rather then say someone seeing something on tv that makes them realize that they are straight? Or reading something in a book that makes them realize that they don't want to go to college? Or seeing a movie about the police, and realizing that they want to be a cop? Just not realizing something about yourself until you read something in a book, or see it on film, or see an advertisement is not a trope. Its far too broad to be a trope.
  • December 26, 2016
    lakingsif
    ^ It's a Sub Trope of Closet Key, and quite a significant one seeing as that trope is now mostly recognized as being for a character.
  • December 26, 2016
    Xtifr
    ^^ A plot is a trope. In fact, we've got a whole index of plots that are tropes. It's called Plots.
  • December 27, 2016
    Xtifr
    You know, instead of making this a sibling of Closet Key, it might make sense to make it the supertrope. That would allow much more sensible names (among other things). Like...Discovering You Are Gay. Then you could add a sentence to the description like:

    Supertrope of Closet Key, when the discovery is triggered by feelings for a specific person.
  • December 30, 2016
    lakingsif
    ^ like
  • January 1, 2017
    lakingsif
    Live Action TV
    • Supergirl 2015: In season 2, Alex becomes friends with Maggie, a lesbian cop, and tries to console her when she gets dumped by her girlfriend, which Maggie thinks is hitting on her. She initially refutes that she's not gay, but then begins to re-evaluate the situation because of conversations with Winn and her own experience of not liking men and enjoying feeling close to female friends — this especially, the remembering of a romantic discovery that she'd buried, leads her to come out.
  • June 5, 2017
    Tuckerscreator
  • June 11, 2017
    Pichu-kun
    This was discarded for no apparent reason.
  • June 22, 2017
    Pichu-kun
    Why'd this get discarded again?
  • June 22, 2017
    Koveras
  • June 22, 2017
    lakingsif
    ^^ there are some tropers who don't contribute to anything in TLP but discard half of all drafts they come across. They don't listen to being asked to slow down, it's probably time to bring it up for the umpteenth time again.
  • November 21, 2017
    Pichu-kun
    This has been discarded two or three times. Why? It's not identical to Closet Key, as that trope specifically involves a person. Is it identical to a separate trope?
  • November 21, 2017
    WaterBlap
    If it happens again without the troper commenting beforehand, report them. That seems like trolling.
  • November 21, 2017
    WaterBlap
    I edited the description for grammar and changed the "compare to" to "Super Trope to" because this is the super-trope and they are not the same.
  • November 22, 2017
    Pichu-kun
    Bump for more examples, if any.
  • November 30, 2017
    WaterBlap
    Discarded again without commenting beforehand. Reporting to ATT. This is ridiculous since it isn't hard to voice a complaint prior to discarding it. For the record, it was AHI-3000.
  • November 30, 2017
    lakingsif
    It was AHI-3000 every time. He discards basically all drafts with 5 bombs, and even though I've asked him to slow down and maybe read the discussions to see if it's appropriate at least twice he's still doing it.
  • November 30, 2017
    NubianSatyress
    Possible page quote:

    "I'm so evil, and skanky. And I think I'm kinda gay."
    Willow Rosenberg, commenting on her Evil Counterpart, as well as foreshadowing future seasons, on Buffy The Vampire Slayer

    • Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Played With regarding Willow Rosenberg, one of the series' main protagonists. While in previous arcs, she had an unrequited crush on her friend Xander Harris, after discovering an alternate version of herself that had been turned into a vampire, she later begins a sexual relationship with other women in future seasons. The show is ambiguous whether or not this was the event that triggered it, but at the time Willow had never even considered the possibility.
  • December 1, 2017
    WaterBlap
    The case of Willow was Closet Key, I thought. Her alternate-universe vampire self hinted at a potential but I thought she only said that as an unfortunate joke that later became more serious. I'm pretty sure it was Tara who made her realize that, yes, she's seriously gay. I'm just saying that it seems like too much overlap to be this rather than the subtrope.
  • December 1, 2017
    NubianSatyress
    I'm actually not that clear on how the relationship between the two tropes works (even after reading through the lengthy debate above), so I just decided to throw the example out there and see if it was agreed with.
  • December 1, 2017
    WaterBlap
    Maybe it's worth explaining more in the description. This is a more broad concept than Closet Key, since it isn't just about a character showing them that they're gay.

    Sometimes, a character needs a little encouragement to realize (or fully understand) that they are on the LGBT spectrum. Usually this involves falling for someone, but it can even be something as simple as seeing something in the media and realizing it fits them. It could be the case that this character simply has never seen an actual LGBT person before, and so after they see LGBT culture(s) in a Show Within A Show or experiencing a gay pride parade for the first time, they realize their actual sexuality falls in the LGBT spectrum.

    And then to use lakingsif's explanation above for the see also section:
    This is a Super Trope to Closet Key, which is when romantic or sexual feelings for a person helps a character realize they're LGBT.
  • December 2, 2017
    lakingsif
    Yeah, I'd say since Willow meeting vampire Willow didn't make her think she might be gay, it's just Closet Key.
  • December 7, 2017
    WaterBlap
    Is it okay if I add those suggestions to the description?
  • December 7, 2017
    dragonfire5000
    Does this do anything that Coming Out Story doesn't cover?
  • December 7, 2017
    lakingsif
    ^ A Coming Out Story doesn't require this.
  • 3 hours ago
    Pichu-kun
    ^^^ Sure.
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