Created By: NiqqaSwaq on April 17, 2013 Last Edited By: NiqqaSwaq on April 20, 2013

Nonsensically Nefarious

When a villain's primary goal has no reason or a flimsy reason for it to be done by this character

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A character whose motives make no sense whatsoever to be done by this character. Most Cloudcuckoolander villains are Nonsensically Nefarious, as the motive for a Cloudcuckoolander villain almost never makes sense.

Compare with Cute and Psycho (if the Cute and Psycho character is a villain and the villain in question's main goal doesn't make sense in comparison to the character) and Absolute Xenophobe (as a fair few Nonsensically Nefarious villains are absolute xenophobes). Also compare with The Caligula. Possibly comparable with For the Evulz if it falls into the "flimsy reason" category of this trope, and Insane Troll Logic if the villain tries to justify their cause with reasoning that makes no sense. Contrast with Villain Has a Point (when the villain has a viable and valid reason for being evil), which this trope is basically the exact opposite of. Nonsensically Nefarious characters are commonly hypocritical.

No Real Life Examples, Please!, I don't want a list of crazy dictators from our world that had no reason to be crazy dictators.


Examples:

Anime and Manga

  • In the anime Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo, the Big Bads are a bunch of Hair Hunters, led by Czar Baldy Bald IV, who go around shaving people bald. No matter who you are, you can't find a motive for this (no, headlice is not a valid motive for cruelly ruling an empire and then knocking someone out to shave their head against their will)

Film

  • Judge Doom from Disney classic Who Framed Roger Rabbit? dipped Toons (the residents of Toontown) in a vat of liquid ("The Dip") that slowly dissolves them if they broke the law. Despite this, he murdered the brother of Eddie (one of the main characters on the show), murdered R.K. Maroon and framed Roger Rabbit for the murder of Marvin Acme, which Judge Doom also did. His ultimate goal was to dip all of Toontown in the Dip then build a freeway over it

  • The Wicked Witch of the West from The Wizard of Oz conquered the land and ruled it viciously for enjoyment in a For the Evulz kind of way.

  • The entire Umbrella Corporation in the Resident Evil movie franchise fits this trope, at least by the third movie. The world has been ravaged by a Zombie Apocalypse which is due to them dabbling in genetics. What do they do? They hide underground and keep experimenting, making the situation much worse. There is no way they could make a profit since the world is now gone and sooner or later, they all end up getting eaten by zombies. This is before we get into the logic of continually cloning the heroine and giving her powers.
Community Feedback Replies: 18
  • April 17, 2013
    Someoneman
    The name sounds like Trope Namer Syndrome where a trope is simply named after a character that is an example of the trope, which is a bad thing. How about Unjustified Villain Goal instead? Also, I went and added formatting. (I have no idea how to capitalize the title to get the link to Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo working)
  • April 17, 2013
    AmyGdala
    That, and the name randomly has "nigga" in it. Do you really think that's okay? Of course the OP's own name has "nigga" in it, so who knows.
  • April 17, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    ^^ Fixed. You capitalized it just right, but the series doesn't have its own page for the anime only (I redirected it to the manga).

    EDIT: What it comes to the trope, it seems valid enough, but the examples are really random. How does eating people not make sense for a cannibal? Yes, he is a mentally disturbed person, which makes it hard for others to understand his behavior, but it certainly isn't in contradiction "in relation to the character".
  • April 17, 2013
    StarSword
    Contrast For The Evulz, which is where the villain's reason is because he just likes being evil for its own sake.
  • April 17, 2013
    Lumpenprole
    Nitpick: Judge Doom framed Roger Rabbit for the murder of R.K. Maroon. He did kill Eddie's brother too though.
  • April 17, 2013
    DracMonster
  • April 17, 2013
    Misskitten
    ^ that could work.
  • April 17, 2013
    MonaNaito
    You might be able to pull a valid trope out of this, but not only does it need a new name, most of the examples have to go. The Wicked Witch example is For The Evulz. Judge Doom may be a hypocrite, but that doesn't mean his motives make no sense. And, as stated above, Hannibal's behavior makes perfect sense in relation to his character.

    Basically, this sounds like a villain whose motivations for being a villain rest on Insane Troll Logic or maybe Blue And Orange Morality. None of the above fit that definition.

    Also, Cute And Psycho has nothing to do with "villain with a stupid motive".

  • April 17, 2013
    WackyMeetsPractical
    Judge Doom's motivations are quite clear. He wanted to build a freeway.
  • April 17, 2013
    NiqqaSwaq
    Alright, I'm back, and I can see all my flaws, this was rather rushed. I'll start from the top:

    Someoneman, you're right, it's named after a character that fits the trope.

    Amy, my name has "niqqa" in it (two Q's, because consorship.), and once again, it's called that after a character.

    Paradise, ok, I'll change that. I thought that example was somewhat flawed, but chucked it in anyway.

    Star, wouldn't this compare with For The Evulz? After all, this is when a villain's motives are flawed, reasonless or poor. I should have worded it far better.

    Lumpen, thanks for that, will change. EDIT: Just checked, Roger was framed for the murder of Marvin Acme. We were both wrong...

    Drac, I'll change it to your name. Your name idea is great.

    Mona, once again, wording was a problem. I'll pay Hannibal, but this is can be a sub- or sister-trope of FTE, depending on how you look at it. I should have elaborated on Doom's more and re-word my main part.

    Wacky, yes, that's his primary goal. Reasons?
  • April 17, 2013
    MonaNaito
    I think the main thing to be careful about in adding further examples is making sure people don't confuse "villain with wacky, nonsensical motivations or goals" (e.g. wanting to shave off everybody's hair) with "any villain whose motivations I consider to be insufficiently obvious or logical". The latter is very much subjective and will inevitably lead to disagreement and bickering.
  • April 17, 2013
    WeAreAllKosh
    Compare The Caligula.
  • April 17, 2013
    Noaqiyeum
    Just wanted to comment that the current name is amazing.
  • April 17, 2013
    AP
    • The entire Umbrella Corporation in the Resident Evil movie franchise fits this trope, at least by the third movie. The world has been ravaged by a Zombie Apocalypse which is due to them dabbling in genetics. What do they do? They hide underground and keep experimenting, making the situation much worse. There is no way they could make a profit since the world is now gone and sooner or later, they all end up getting eaten by zombies. This is before we get into the logic of continually cloning the heroine and giving her powers.
  • April 19, 2013
    NiqqaSwaq
    Alright, back again.

    Mona, you can tell if the bad guy's motivations are stupid. The Hair Hunters in Bo-bobo have no reason to hunt hair. Hair isn't causing a massive genocide, they're just doing it. That's why this trope is similar to For The Evulz (it's kind of a sister trope. FTE could even go as far as being a sub-trope of this).

    Kosh, thanks.

    Noaq, thank Drac for that.

    AP, thanks for the example!
  • April 20, 2013
    dyson88
    Does Doom even count for this? His ultimate goal was to profit from the freeway coming through where Toon Town stood. Everything he did was for the goal of making himself rich. The other characters think he's crazy but that's a case of It Will Never Catch On
  • April 20, 2013
    1810072342
    Is this Designated Villain? If not, it might be a good idea to specify the difference.
  • April 20, 2013
    Lumpenprole
    ^^Doom did want to profit, but it's clear he loved the idea of "progress" as he saw it. The joke of course is that the freeway culture he foresaw actually came to pass, even though everyone else in the movie considered it a nutty fantasy. "Who's laughing now" one might say.
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