Created By: igordebraga on April 1, 2012 Last Edited By: Lawman592 on May 1, 2015

Artistic Gap

A long time passes between two artistic works.

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Like a Sequel Gap is for sequels that comes long after the last work, an Artistic Gap is for creative works that take forever to get a follow-up. Development Hell, Creator Breakdown and Troubled Production are usually involved, as are break-ups and deaths.

Applies to all artistic fields but particularly noticeable in Music.

A good cut-off point could be five years.


Examples

Music examples

  • AC/DC's Black Ice: 8 years after Stiff Upper Lip (which itself was 5 years after Ballbreaker)
  • Alice in Chains' Black Gives Way to Blue: 14 years after the Self-Titled Album
  • Garbage's Not Your Kind of People came 7 years after Bleed Like Me.
  • Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy: 14 years after The Spaghetti Incident? and 17 after the last studio album(s)
  • Also a "following Cover Album" example, Aerosmith's upcoming album comes 8 years after Honkin on Bobo and 11 after Just Push Play.,
  • The Stone Temple Pilots' Self-Titled Album came 9 years after Shangri-La Dee Da.
  • The Cranberries put out Roses 11 years after Wake Up and Smell the Coffee.
  • The Eagles released Hell Freezes Over 15 years after The Long Run—but Hell Freezes Over contained only four new songs (the rest was old material played live). Then 13 years after Hell Freezes Over, in 2007, they issued Long Road out of Eden, which was all-new material.
  • The Stone Roses' Second Coming came five years after their debut Self-Titled Album.
  • It was six years between Fiona Apple's When the Pawn... and Extraordinary Machine albums. Her 2012 release, The Idler Wheel Is Wiser..., came seven years after Extraordinary Machine.
  • Van Halen
    • A Different Kind of Truth came out 14 years after Van Halen III, 28 after David Lee Roth's last album with the band.
    • Roth's replacement Sammy Hagar had 10 years between I Never Said Goodbye (1987, recorded while in his VH stint) and Marching To Mars (1997, after leaving the band).
  • Blink182 went on 'indefinite hiatus' one year after the Self-Titled Album, meaning that it took eight years before there was another album, 2011's Neighbourhoods.
  • The Rolling Stones' A Bigger Bang: 8 years after Bridges to Babylon (BTB's predecessor Voodoo Lounge came 5 years after Steel Wheels)
    • Nearly a decade on, there still hasn't been a follow-up to A Bigger Bang!
  • XTC's Apple Venus Volume 1 (1999) was released seven years after their last album, Nonesuch (1992), due to a dispute with the record company.
  • The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band's reunion album, Pour l'Amour des Chiens (2007), was released 35 years after their previous album, Let's Make Up and Be Friendly (1972 - itself a reunion album but released after a gap of only three years).
  • There has been a gap of eleven years between each of Scott Walker's last three albums (1984, 1995, 2006). His band The Walker Brothers had a gap of eight years between Images (1967) and No Regrets (1975).
  • Borderline example: The Beatles. Let It Be (album), 1970. "Free as a Bird" (single), 1995.
  • Solo examples from Beatles members after the group broke up.
    • John Lennon took a hiatus from music to become a house husband, leaving a five-year gap between Rock'n'Roll (1975) and Double Fantasy'' (1980). The latter was released just three weeks before his death.
    • Similarly there was a gap of 15 years between George Harrison's Cloud Nine (1987) and the posthumously-released Brainwashed (2002).
    • Ringo Starr had three in a row: nine years from Old Wave to Time Takes Time, then six to Vertical Man, then five to Ringo Rama
    • Paul McCartney's only example is Kisses on the Bottom coming five years after Memory Almost Full.
  • Fleetwood Mac had a five year gap between Mirage(1982) and Tango in the Night (1987).
  • The Offspring had five years between Splinter and Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace (in-between they released their Greatest Hits Album).
  • "Weird Al" Yankovic took a long break after releasing his Straight Outta Lynwood back in 2006. Then, after some new songs and LPs here and there, he finally released Alpocalypse in 2011. Complete with a Polka Medley. And the Fandom Rejoiced.
  • Metallica took six years (and a Creator Breakdown) from ReLoad to St. Anger, then five more to Death Magnetic.
  • Mayhem's Wolf's Lair Abyss EP came out four years after their Magnum Opus, De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas, and five years after the original lineup dissolved following the murder of their guitarist.
  • Red Hot Chili Peppers: five years between Stadium Arcadium and I'm With You.
  • Finnish Melodic Death Metal band Wintersun released their debut, self-titled album in 2004. Their next album, Time I, was released in 2012, and eight-year gap.
  • The New Orleans Radiators had a five year gap between their self-published second album, Heat Generation, and their first major-label album, Law of the Fish.

Non-musical examples

Film

Literature
  • John Kennedy Toole wrote two books in his life before committing suicide. The Neon Bible ws the first written, in 1954, and published in 1989. A Confederacy of Dunces was written in the sixties and published in 1980.
  • Henry Roth's first novel, Call It Sleep, was published in 1934. His second novel, A Star Shines Over Mt. Morris Park (the first part of the four volume Mercy of a Rude Stream), was published in 1994—a gap of 60 years.

Community Feedback Replies: 76
  • April 1, 2012
    Vidor
    • The Cranberries put out Roses 11 years after Wake Up and Smell the Coffee.
  • April 1, 2012
    Vidor
    • The Eagles released Hell Freezes Over 15 years after The Long Run--but Hell Freezes Over contained only four new songs (the rest was old material played live). Then 13 years after Hell Freezes Over, in 2007, they issued Long Road out of Eden, which was all-new material.
  • April 1, 2012
    Vidor
    [[folder: Film]]
  • April 1, 2012
    Lawman592
    A few more music examples:

    • The Stone Roses' Second Coming came five years after their debut Self Titled Album.
    • It was six years between Fiona Apple's When the Pawn... and Extraordinary Machine albums. Her 2012 release, The Idler Wheel Is Wiser..., comes seven years after Extraordinary Machine.
  • April 2, 2012
    Vidor
    I wonder if a different title isn't appropriate. This seems like a trope but there's no reason to limit it to music.
  • April 2, 2012
    DmM
    The Academy Is...

    Third album Fast Times at Barrington High recorded May 2008, in Novemeber 2011 they finally re-enter the studio only to break up...

    And blink-182, who had a one-year gap between Take off Your Pants and Jacket and blink-182, and went on 'indefinite hiatus' a year later, meaning that it took eight years before there was another album.
  • April 2, 2012
    randomsurfer
    The Beatles. Let It Be (album), 1970. "Free as a Bird" (single), 1995.
  • April 4, 2012
    Vidor
    Another from Film:

    • Whit Stillman's Damsels in Distress (2012) comes 14 years fater The Last Days of Disco.
  • April 4, 2012
    mdulwich
    • XTC's Apple Venus Volume 1 (1999) was released seven years after their last album, Nonesuch (1992), due to a dispute with the record company.
    • The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band's reunion album, Pour l'Amour des Chiens (2007), was released 35 years after their previous album, Let's Make Up and Be Friendly (1972 - itself a reunion album but released after a gap of only three years).
    • There has been a gap of eleven years between each of Scott Walker's last three albums (1984, 1995, 2006). His band The Walker Brothers had a gap of eight years between Images (1967) and No Regrets (1975).
    • John Lennon took a hiatus from music to become a house-husband, leaving a five-year gap between Rock'n'Roll (1975) and Double Fantasy (1980). The latter was released just three weeks before his death.
    • Similarly there was a gap of 15 years between George Harrison's Cloud Nine (1987) and the posthumously-released Brainwashed (2002).
  • April 5, 2012
    igordebraga
    If a few more film (i.e. George Lucas took 22 years to direct again) or other media can come, maybe we can consider Successor Gap? Because we're still mostly on music!
  • April 5, 2012
    Lawman592
    I'll add a few more movie examples:

  • April 5, 2012
    Vidor
    Film:

    • Nine years after Professor Beware (1938), Harold Lloyd attempted a comeback with The Sin of Harold Diddlebock (1947), a sequel to his hit film The Freshman (1925). It failed, and Lloyd retired for good.
  • April 5, 2012
    azul120
    • Fleetwood Mac had a 5 year gap between Mirage (1982) and Tango in the Night (1987).
  • April 6, 2012
    Vidor
    I know there have to be examples from literature but I'll be darned if I can think of one. Anybody?
  • April 6, 2012
    Vidor
    Aha!

    Literature

    • Five years passed between the third and fourth volumes in George R. R. Martin's A Song Of Ice And Fire series, and 5 1/2 years between the fourth and fifth.
  • April 6, 2012
    tdgoodrich1
    Sounds more like trivia than a trope to me.
  • April 6, 2012
    randomsurfer
    ^^That's just Sequel Gap, Literature section. Seems to me that any non-musical examples would have to be non-sequels in order to qualify for this.

    • John Kennedy Toole wrote two books in his life before committing suicide. The Neon Bible ws the first written, in 1954, and published in 1989. A Confederacy Of Dunces was written in the sixties and published in 1980.
  • April 7, 2012
    PaulieRomanov
    Mayhem's Wolf's Lair Abyss came out four years after their masterpiece, De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas, and five years after the original lineup dissolved following the murder of their guitarist.
  • April 7, 2012
    AlexSora89
    Tropeworthy to me.

    Also, this example:
    • Weird Al Yankovic took a long break after releasing his Straight Outta Lynwood back in 2006. Then, after some new songs and LPs here and there, he finally released Alpocalypse in 2011. Complete with a Polka Medley. And The Fandom Rejoiced.
  • April 8, 2012
    igordebraga
    Anything else? (also want to know if Album Gap is good enough or we need the non-specific title I put above)
  • April 8, 2012
    AlexSora89
    Dunno. To me, Album Gap is doing just fine already as it is.
  • April 17, 2012
    Surenity
    • Kraftwerk's albums became more and more sporadic in later years, starting with the five year gap between Computerworld (1981) and Electric Cafe (1986). The Mix came out another five years later, and then the band completely disappeared for 12 years until the release of Tour de France in 2003. Other than a live album they haven't released a new album since.
    • The Kovenant released it's last studio album to date, SETI, in 2003. Their next album, Aria Galactica, was supposed to come out the following year, but is still in Development Hell almost a decade later.
  • April 18, 2012
    MyTrainIsOff
    • Delta Goodrem started pacing her albums every four years (Mistaken Identity to Delta) but now broke into the five year period before outputs. (Delta to present currently untitled album)
    • Christina Aguilera puts four years standard between her second third and fourth albums.
    • Britney Spears, between her In The Zone and Blackout album there was about five years, this was unusual because she usually only takes one or two years between albums.
    Four years is extremely long in the pop world.
  • April 18, 2012
    TrustBen
    Boston had an eight year gap between Don't Look Back and Third Stage, a hiatus jokingly referred to as "the other Boston marathon."
  • April 18, 2012
    Folamh3
    I second the motion that there's no need to limit it to musical examples.

    Non-musical examples:
    • Duke Nukem Forever. Finally released fifteen years after the previous instalment, after as many years of development.
    • Bruce Robinson's The Rum Diary came out nineteen years after his previous film.
    • Lynne Ramsay's adaptation of We Need To Talk About Kevin, coming out nine years after her previous film.

    Musical examples:
    • The Dillinger Escape Plan's second album Miss Machine came out five years after their first studio album (although they did release an EP and a live album in the interim). This was a result of their singer leaving the band and their bassist becoming paralyzed in a car accident immediately prior to the recording of their first album.
  • April 18, 2012
    randomsurfer
    I support Successor Gap (or maybe Followup Gap) in order to clearly establish it's not just musical.
  • April 19, 2012
    Vidor
    Film

  • April 19, 2012
    ScanVisor
    Green Day took 5 years to put out 21stCenturyBreakdown after American Idiot.
  • April 20, 2012
    MyTrainIsOff
    • The Veronicas also took five years between Hook Me Up and new album!
  • April 20, 2012
    JobanGrayskull
    This definitely sounds like trivia.
  • April 21, 2012
    Mewt
    Music

    • Eminem could be considered this given his feelings on Encore and Relapse. Taken literally, this puts his gap between The Eminem Show and Recovery at just under 8 years.
    It's different them last two albums didn't count
    Encore I was on drugs, Relapse I was flushing em out
    Talking to Myself, Recovery

  • April 21, 2012
    Routerie
    • The rap duo Bad Meets Evil released an album in 2011, 12 years after their previous relase.
  • April 24, 2012
    igordebraga
    Well, if there is a trope for sequels that take forever, one for follow-ups isn't that much off - some artists have problems continuing!
  • May 2, 2012
    Lawman592
    Another literary example:

    • Henry Roth's first novel, Call It Sleep, was published in 1934. His second novel, A Star Shines Over Mt. Morris Park (the first part of the four volume Mercy of a Rude Stream), was published in 1994--a gap of 60 years.
  • December 18, 2012
    chihuahua0
    So this is Trivia. Anything that needs to be addressed before launching (and one hat later)?
  • December 21, 2012
    chihuahua0
    Anyone?
  • December 23, 2012
    chihuahua0
    I'll be launching this soon if there's no objections.

    So speak now or forever hold you peace.
  • December 23, 2012
    Xtifr
    The Duke Nukem example is Sequel Gap.

    • The New Orleans Radiators had a five-year-gap between their self-published second album, Heat Generation, and their first major-label album, Law of the Fish.
  • October 12, 2014
    Alucard
  • October 22, 2014
    Lawman592
    So, is anybody going to launch this or does it need some more revising?
  • October 22, 2014
    randomsurfer
    The Example Indentation under the Beatles example are all wrong. None of them are Beatles songs, all are fomer Beatle solo efforts. They should all have their own single bullets.
  • October 23, 2014
    Arivne
    • Added blank lines for readability.
    • Examples section
  • October 23, 2014
    TrustBen
    • A full decade elapsed between David Bowie's Reality and The Next Day. In context the latter title seems like an in-joke.
    (Apologies if anyone else has thought to add this, but I don't see it above.)
  • October 23, 2014
    BKelly95
    Bush released The Sea of Memories in 2011, ten years after Golden State.
  • October 23, 2014
    BKelly95
    Sorry, I should have added this with the Bush example:

    The Smashing Pumpkins released Zeitgeist in 2007, seven years after their previous effort, Machina II/The Friends and Enemies of Modern Music.
  • October 23, 2014
    NateTheGreat
    Is this only for groups that are still active for the entire interim time, or any gap, even if the group broke up and came back together for a reunion or something?
  • October 23, 2014
    Exxolon
    Def Leppard had six years between X (2002) and Songs from the Sparkle Lounge (2008) and it's been six since that album dropped with no sign of another yet.
  • October 23, 2014
    Exxolon
    Motley Crue - New Tattoo (2000) & Saints of Los Angeles (2008)
  • October 23, 2014
    Exxolon
    Skid Row - Subhuman Race (1995) & Thickskin (2003) (40 Seasons was a Greatest Hits)
  • October 23, 2014
    Exxolon
    Mr Big - Actual Size (2001) & What If... (2011)
  • October 23, 2014
    Exxolon
    Looking at this from a critical perspective, I would suggest two changes to avoid a huge list. One - increase to SIX year gap - reason being five years is on the outside edge of a "normal" gap between albums and only include artists who were actually active in the "gap" period. If a band drops an album, then splits for ten years, then reforms and releases another that shouldn't count as it's technically only a two year gap.
  • November 30, 2014
    SvartiKotturinn
    • In Universe example from Frasier: Frasier and Niles learn that their father befriended a writer who wrote one masterpiece novel and never published anything again, and are over the moon when they learn he finished writing a new one. They read it in secret when he leaves the manuscript in Frasier's apartment, but are caught when he returns. Subverted when he asks for their opinion, and they praise him for the elaborate Shout Out to The Divine Comedy, which he sees as plagiarism and throws away the copy, thinking he's ultimately 'just a hack who got lucky'.
  • November 30, 2014
    ironicusername
    Non-Musical Example: A long awaited sequel to Filmcow's "How To Play The Violin" 2008 short entitled "Time For Your Shot" was finally released..... In 2014
  • November 30, 2014
    ironicusername
    ^ Or would that go into Sequel Gap?
  • April 24, 2015
    DAN004
    Tbh, non-musical example in this ykttw should be moved to Sequel Gap.

    Heck, this whole ykttw should be merged with Sequel Gap.
  • April 24, 2015
    Lawman592
    No, it shouldn't. Most of the non-music examples are clearly not sequels to the earlier work.
  • April 24, 2015
    SolipSchism
    I see no compelling reason not to merge this with Sequel Gap. I'm with DAN on this one.
  • April 24, 2015
    Kartoonkid95
    12 years passed between James Cameron's previous films Titanic and Avatar.
  • April 24, 2015
    bitemytail
    • In Futurama, the gang goes to a Beastie Boys convert. Fry has the opportunity to talk to the band after the concert, and they admit to having only finished a single album in the past 1,000 years.
  • April 24, 2015
    DAN004
    Okay, just realized that the non-music examples are the gaps of 2 unrelated (i.e not sequel) creations made by the same creator.

    I guess they would need a different ykttw.
  • April 24, 2015
    shimaspawn
    <Mod Hat>

    Never give a trope a media specific name when it's not a media specific trope. Perhaps Artist Gap might be a better term for this.

    It's very common outside of music as well and the current title makes it sound far more media specific than it has to be. There are lots of other types of media where an author will take 20 years between books that aren't sequels, or an actress will take a decade off acting because she's had a kid. Those would fit here just as well.

    </Mod Hat>
  • April 25, 2015
    Lawman592
    Changed to Artistic Gap. Tell me if that works better.
  • April 25, 2015
    DAN004
    Maybe "predecessor" won't be a good word choice for the laconic.
  • April 25, 2015
    Lawman592
    ^ Duly noted. Laconic description changed.
  • April 27, 2015
    SolipSchism
    ^^^ and ^^^^ Actually, with the recent name change, my eyes are opened and I see the difference now. I rescind my earlier comment.
  • April 29, 2015
    Lawman592
  • April 29, 2015
    SolipSchism
    That George Lucas/Star Wars example is written to make it sound like there were no films in between A New Hope and The Phantom Menace. Which is obviously incorrect. Also, Main.A New Hope and Main.Star Wars are linked when it should be Film.A New Hope and Franchise.Star Wars.

    I haven't combed through the rest of the page for similar errors but I would suggest you do so before launching. But on the surface it looks pretty good.
  • April 29, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ Phantom Menace is III, right?
  • April 29, 2015
    shimaspawn
    ^ It is.

    That said, I think we should probably get rid of having the music examples arbitrarily at the top.

    Also, do we want to define how long is long?
  • April 29, 2015
    DAN004
    "That George Lucas/Star Wars example is written to make it sound like there were no films in between A New Hope and The Phantom Menace. Which is obviously incorrect."

    What, there are films between the III and IV? I never knew.

    And the draft already said 5 years.
  • April 29, 2015
    shimaspawn
    Lucas did an amazing amount of stuff. He wrote, directed, and produced dozens of works between those two films including Indiana Jones stuff, Willow, a bunch of other smaller Star Wars stuff. He was never not working on a project.
  • April 29, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ And this is how I realized I mistook this trope for Sequel Gap, again. =P

  • April 30, 2015
    shimaspawn
    That said, it looks like he did actually take a break from Directing, so that example is at least correct. It seems everything he did between those two was all writing and producing. He didn't direct at all from 1977 to 1999.
  • April 30, 2015
    SolipSchism
    ^^^^ and ^^^^^ and ^^^^^^ ...Are you guys trolling me?

    A New Hope is Episode IV, and it was the first film released, in 1977.

    Episodes V and VI were released in 1980 and 1983 respectively.

    The Phantom Menace is Episode I, not III, and it was released in 1999.

    In other words, A New Hope is the first film made, and Phantom Menace was the fourth.

    I'm not even a Star Wars buff and I know this stuff, and it took me less than 60 seconds to get those dates off of Google. Come on.

    EDIT: If we're talking about him not directing V and VI... I'm still not sure that makes sense. He still wrote and produced them. It's not that he wasn't "artistically" doing anything, he just wasn't directing.
  • April 30, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ Like I said, I mistook this trope with Sequel Gap. I'm already sorry.
  • May 1, 2015
    SolipSchism
    I was more talking about the obvious error in identifying which film came out in which order, but yeah, if we're just talking about the amount of time that passed between Episode VI and Episode I, then yeah, it's Sequel Gap.

    I don't follow Lucas' career, so maybe he had an Artistic Gap (or whatever we end up calling this), but I don't think it makes sense to say Lucas had a Gap between Episodes IV and I just because he didn't direct V and VI. Maybe I'm not following the criteria for this trope (trivia?) though.

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