Created By: xanderiskander on March 13, 2013 Last Edited By: xanderiskander on March 26, 2013
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Token Adult

only oldest adult among a group of children teenagers or younger adults

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Jade Curtiss: "And my other goal is to make you youngsters go crazy before I reach 40. "'

A story that centers around a group made up of children, teenagers, or just younger adults, introduces an older character who decides he wants to join the youngsters. He's the oldest, character in the group. That's the Token Adult

In adventure stories especially in video games or RolePlayingGameVerses the group is often made up of children or teenagers with one "adult" exclusively allied to them. His age could be anywhere from being old enough to drink (if the other group members are just kids) to someone who is middle aged or over 50. Also sometimes TV shows will have older characters help the heroes once per episode, or for only one episode.

In stories directed at older audiences, where it's more common for this character to be the elder to a group of younger adults, a Cool Old Guy or The Mentor can fill this role when his Competence Zone is shifted upward compared to the rest of the group. This can be done by making the youngsters New Meat, ManChildren, or BunnyEarsLawyers. Take note, that the rest of the group don't necessarily need to be "adults" to count, they just have to be noticeably younger than the Token Adult. Also occasionally the Token Adult will stick out in a group of adults because he's a Bunny-Ears Lawyer. See Si from Duck Dynasty in the examples.

He may be a stranger that joins because he happens to have the same or a similar goal as the heroes. Or an experienced veteran who joins the group. Could also be intended as an aversion, or subversion to There Are No Adults by the author, by making the character a substitute parent that acts as the team's guardian in their parent's absence. He may even literally be a trusted friend or relative of one of the team member's parents, or a team member's teacher. Often times he's also The Mentor, or just a wiser grownup in non-action works who guides the characters in the right direction, or Mr. Exposition, who, because he's older and more experienced, explains how the world works.

Tends to be The Big Guy, because he's older, taller, and stronger, at least in the beginning. Or the Smart Guy. If he's a Bad Ass most of the time he's a Cool Old Guy or a Badass Elder, but he could be a Colonel Bad Ass or The Captain depending on the setting, or a Bad Ass Bookworm. If he was The Leader of the team at one point, but isn't The Hero, he's probably the Big Good. If he's The Foil to the The Hero he might end up becoming The Lancer. If played for comedic effect, he might be a Dead Pan Snarker who employs Insult humor on his younger peers. He could also be One of the Kids, might be a Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass, or if Adults really are useless he may be used by the author to drive that point home.

If employed to the Token Adult because of job politics the group may have been Reassigned to Antarctica.

Sometimes, he starts out as their adult in the beginning of the story, and more older characters are included in the group later, in which case, the original character who took up the role still counts.

Other stories have the Token Adult separated from the group, and replaced by another older character. In that case both characters count.

If hurting his friends is his Berserk Button, expect him to be the Papa Wolf or the Mama Bear.

Contrast, Tagalong Kid, this trope's opposite. Compare The Chick, The Obi-Wan, Adults Are Useless, There Are No Adults.

Examples

Anime and Manga
  • Detective Conan
    • Middle aged Detective Kogoro Mouro (Richard Moore in the dub) is an adult watching over Kid Hero Conan. Except he's kind of a Jerkass, and he's not good at his job either. Since he's an adult, people are more willing to listen to him than Conan who uses Kogoru's adult status, solves the crimes for him, and lets him take the credit for it on almost every case. Since he's an on and off ally to Conan it's a Zig-Zagging Trope.
  • KOn: Sawako Yamanaka is the teacher in charge of their high school's light music club. Fitting in that she was a rocker in the past too. She's more for comic relief though, and she doesn't use her authority as a teacher very often. Naturally the rest of the characters are high school students.
  • Naruto has this institutionalized in that their school's ninja teams begin as 3 twelve year olds with one adult teacher assigned to guide them.
  • Pokémon has one adult that helps out almost every episode. Sometimes it's Officer Jenny or Nurse Joy, but there's a whole list of others they come across depending on the episode. The main characters never age past their teen years.

Film
  • Bushwhacked is a comedy starring Daniel Stern as Max Grabelski, a sleazy delivery guy who thinks he's been framed for murder. He impersonates a Scout leader with a group of kids while on the run into the woods, and intends to ditch the group later, but they all grow to like each other, and he starts to become the role.
  • The Rocker: Rainn Wilson plays failed drummer "Robert Fishman" who joins a band of people 20 years younger.

Literature

Live-Action TV
  • Giles in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, is an adult leader working for the Watchers, who watch over the Slayers. He acts as a father figure to Buffy and mentor to their team, sometimes, but is usually not part of the action himself. This counts before the main characters become competent adults themselves.
  • iCarly: Spencer often gets involved in the teenage Power Trio's antics, despite being a good ten-fifteen years older than them.
  • NCIS: Gibbs is the local Cool Old Guy in charge of the major case team. The rest of the cast often being distracted by various things or being held back by their character flaws, and never reaching his place in the Competence Zone.
  • Psych: Harry (Aka "Harold") Spencer, is hired by the Chief of Police to be Shawn and Gus's adult in later seasons. Because they're immature and use questionable methods of solving crimes that get them into trouble, hiring Harry minimizes risk. He was already Shawn's mentor, and his Dad, so it works out.
  • SquarePegs: In two episodes Johnny's band "Open 24 Hours" performs. It includes himself on lead vocal, some other teens as backup singers/guitar/etc., and John Densmore from The Doors on drums (age about 38).
  • Victorious has a few episodes where Sikowitz, the gang's acting teacher, will join in with the group's daily adventure.

Real Life
  • TheRollingStones: Thier bassist Bill Wyman is 7-10 years older than the rest of the band. After he "retired" they didn't add another bassist

Reality TV
  • Duck Dynasty: Uncle Si is the only older guy his age (in his 60's) working at the duck call business. He's a Bunny-Ears Lawyer, who frequently takes naps, snack, hunting, and basketball "breaks", and plenty of other hijinks with the younger guys at work. As much as he'd like to, since no one else will take his job, Willie just can't get rid of him.

Video Games
  • Atelier Rorona: Most of the playable characters are in their teens. Then there's the 28-year old Sterk. And later we also get Cool Old Guy Gio, who's in his forties. Both of them are considered the most powerful party members.
  • Disgaea:
  • Final Fantasy V: Galuf is a token grandpa among a team of people in their early 20s. He eventually gets replaced with his 14-year old, adopted, granddaughter, Krile.
  • Golden Sun: Kraden, a 70 year old scholar who goes on a journey with a party consisting of 3 teens and someone who is implied to be Really 700 Years Old but looks like a teen.
  • Golden Sun: Dark Dawn:
    • 30 years later, Kraden reprises his role, with the teen-aged descendants of the cast of the previous game, Golden Sun The Lost Age. but isn't a playable character.
    • Eoleo, who is around 30 years old, joins the playable cast this time around.
  • MOTHER:
    • Mother1: Most of the main characters aren't over 12 except for Teddy who is about or over 20 years old.
    • Mother3: Duster is most likely in his 30s, while Lucas is about 13 and Kumatora's around 17.
  • Persona 4
    • The game has the protagonist's uncle's partner, Adachi, who isn't in on the secret (as the police were in 3), but works as a Friend on the Force for the investigation team, who are all high school students. Until he turns out to be the one behind the murders. Said uncle ends up serving the role (again, without finding out about the supernatural aspects).
    • Igor, the old man who serves as the proprietor of the velvet room, and appears in every persona game to date, to contract with the protagonist, and aid him via persona fusion to obtain more powerful personas. He also serves as Mr. Exposition, to explain the mechanics of personas. He's essentially the Big Good of the persona series, as he's the servant of a Bigger Good Philemon. He's the, first, and most important ally the protagonist has.
  • Shin Megami Tensei Devil Summoner (1995) has an interesting aversion with Demon Hunter Kyouji, who could have been this to the protagonist, and his girlfriend, who are both college students. Except, shortly after they meet in the beginning, Kyouji dies under suspicious circumstances.
  • Skies of Arcadia: Drachma. A bitter old, sailor, who lost his family to the archwhale, saves Vyse and company when their ship capsizes. Although he's not very happy to accept help from a bunch of youngsters (all three are 17), he does reluctantly agree to let them stay on his ship as long as they pull their weight, and they get sailing experience in exchange. That is until they get separated. Then Gilder replaces him for most of the game. However Drachma's notable because his story arc is developed a lot more than Gilder's.
  • TalesSeries
    • Jade Curtiss of Tales of the Abyss, who is in his 30's. All his teammates are no older than 18, the only exception being Guy (age 21) who is one of the last members to join after Jade and Anise. Guy doesn't take up much of a leading role either preferring to crack jokes with (and at) Luke and company instead.
    • Claus F. Lester from Tales of Phantasia is the only adult in a team where nobody else is older than 18.
  • In Wild ARMs
    • Wild ARMs 1: Jack Van Burace. A 27 year old treasure hunter, and expert swordsman, amidst a team of teenagers, trying to save a dying world. His main reason for tagging along is he hopes to find an item called the "guardian blade" while traveling with them so that he can become powerful.
    • Wild Arms 2nd Ignition : Brad Evans is is 31 years old, and a war veteran from a revolution years before the story starts. The only other playable character in the party that's technically older than he is is the Immortal, Vampire, Marivel Armitage, but she's an optional character. Kanon, seems to be around the same age as Ashley, but we never learn her actual age. The rest of the party are known to be over a decade younger than Brad.

Visual Novels
  • Higurashi: When They Cry: Detective Akasaka plays this role to the teenage main cast by returning to Hinamizawa on a hunch and ending up protecting them from Takano and the Yamainu who murder many people, and are out to get Rika too. Ooishi would have been this but he is too aloof and often antagonizes the kids.

Web Comics
  • Zachary in Bittersweet Candy Bowl during their vacation arc. He's in his early 20's, while the other characters are in their freshman to junior years in high school. He helps the group out multiple times, in a crisis.
  • Characters in Cucumber Quest have intentionally vague ages. But third member to join, Sir Carrot, is confirmed to be an Adult by Gigi. While "Cucumber and the rest are just kids". Carrot is also a Knight, that's vowed to rescue his Princess Parfait, who is trapped in Caketown Castle. Cucumber's quest to find the dreamsword, and defeat the Nightmare Knight just happens coincide with Carrot's goal.
  • Paranatural has Mr. Spender as a club adviser, assigned to supervise their club. The rest of the activity club being about 12.

Western Animation
  • In Adventure Time Jake the Dog, is the closest thing to this in the show, being in a serious relationship, which makes him more of an adult than Finn is, and being old enough to give Finn advice about growing up. Being a dog his age goes by dog years so he matures faster than Finn does. Them being technically adoptive brothers also gives Finn a reason to trust him with a lot of things.
  • AmericanDad: Parodied in the episode "American Dream Factory" where Steve forms a band consisting of his school friends and a coke snorting Jaded Washout for their drummer. He is eventually replaced by the similarly older Roger.
    Barry: We told you, no drugs!
    Gerry: And I told you if I was responsible, I wouldn't be in a band with a bunch of 14-year-olds!
  • Arthur: Francine's band "U Stink" consists of her and several of her 3rd grade friends, plus 60-something Mrs. MacGrady on keyboard.
  • Ben10: Has Grandpa, Max Tennyson, an authority figure to Ben and Gwen on their trip, and a Badass Grandpa, and a member of "The Plumbers" who even Big Bad Vilgax is scared of.
  • Bravest Warriors: Has the Emotion Lord as the Token Adult often tagging along with a group of teenagers. He wants to help and be part of the team, but Chris keeps telling him to go away because he is too old. Although the Emotion Lord is actually Chris from the future.
  • In TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Their teammate, Splinter, being their Old Master, and Parental Substitute, in all incarnations who teaches them the art of the ninja, and stealth to hide from the cold eyes of the world. The Turtles are always teenagers.
  • The Magic School Bus has Ms. Valerie Frizzle, who takes her class of elementary school students on exotic field trips. Her age is vague, but it's clear that she's an adult, even if she doesn't always act like one.
  • The Wild Thornberrys. In an episode called "The Dragon and the Professor", Eliza Thornberry is dying to see a komodo dragon, but her plans are halted by her tutor who wants her to do homework. The solution? She does it anyway, and her tutor becomes her adult as he tags along with her to find it.
  • In Wakfu Ruel, an elder to the rest of the team, joins because he's asked to watch over Yugo by his old friend Alibert who is Yugo's adoptive father. He agrees since he's become fond of Yugo. All of the other characters are younger than 18. Yugo is 10-12.
Community Feedback Replies: 72
  • March 13, 2013
    xanderiskander
    Live Action TV
    • NCIS: While the main cast isn't exactly young, Gibbs is the local Cool Old Guy.
  • March 13, 2013
    chicagomel
  • March 13, 2013
    FastEddie
    Token Adult is a better name.
  • March 13, 2013
    xanderiskander
    I don't know much about Buffy, but the main thing to qualify I think is that he should be a character with plenty of screentime (being one of the main characters helps) that's part of the main group in the story, and that he interacts with mostly younger characters. The younger characters should be younger than 19 in most cases. And Groups involved would be something like a Five Man Band, Power Trio, The Squad, etc.

    From what I can find online Giles might count since he's part of the watchers, which rank above the slayers, and he acts as a father figure to buffy. So I think that would make him part of a Command Roster? But I don't know enough about his role to really say for sure.

    the main thing I want to emphasize though is that examples shouldn't be extra characters or background characters.
  • March 13, 2013
    xanderiskander
    changed the title from One Adult Per Team to Token Adult Ally
  • March 13, 2013
    chicagomel
    Well, if he does, it'd be only for the early seasons, before everyone became adults themselves, I can add that.
  • March 14, 2013
    Astaroth
    Defied in Harry Potter And The Deathly Hallows. Lupin asks the Power Trio if he can be Sixth Ranger to them, but Harry tells him rather bluntly that he needs to stay with his wife and their unborn child instead.
  • March 14, 2013
    Catstorm
    Teddy in MOTHER 1.
  • March 14, 2013
    Koveras
    • Detective Akasaka plays this role to the teenage main cast of Higurashi When They Cry. Ooishi would have been this but he is too aloof and often antagonizes the kids.
  • March 14, 2013
    Speedchesser
    • Paranatural has Mr. Spender in this role, the rest of the Activity Club being about 12.
  • March 14, 2013
    Bisected8
    • Persona 4 has the protagonist's uncle's partner, Adachi, who isn't in on the secret (as the police were in 3), but works as a Friend On The Force for the Investigation Team. Until he turns out to be the one behind the murders. Said uncle ends up serving the role (again, without finding out about the supernatural aspects).
  • March 14, 2013
    Diask
    • Claus F. Lester from Tales Of Phantasia is the only adult in a team where nobody else is older than 18.
  • March 14, 2013
    xanderiskander
    I searched some images of some of the examples on google, and Skies of Arcadia seemed to have the best group shot. Can't seem to get the caption to work right though.
  • March 15, 2013
    Arivne
    A number of the examples above are Zero Context Examples (just a work name and a character name). Each needs to have enough information so that someone reading it can tell it's a valid example.

    Also: In Pokemon, Brock is older than the other cast members, but isn't he still a teenager rather than an adult?
  • March 15, 2013
    thewriter
    • Spencer on iCarly often gets involved in the teenage Power Trio's antics, despite being a good ten-fifteen years older than them.
    • Victorious has a few episodes where Sikowitz, the gang's acting teacher, will join in with the group's daily adventure.

  • March 15, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^^ Fixed what I could find. I always assumed Brock was an adult, because he used to be a gym leader. Didn't realize he was a teeenager. But I tried including episodic adult characters, that help out from time time. let me know if there's anything you think is wrong with the contexts.
  • March 15, 2013
    xanderiskander
    I have a couple ideas for quotes. Which do you think is better?

    Jade Curtiss: "And my other goal is to make you youngsters go crazy before I reach 40. "''

    Zachary: Oh, no! I'm not a life guard. I can't even swim!
    Lucy: So you're an impulsive idiot.
  • March 15, 2013
    GiantSpaceChinchilla
    ^ my 2 cents goes to Jade Curtiss

    Nevermind about the NCIS thing neither of The Squads in NCIS or NCIS Los Angeles seem young enough to qualify. Although weirdly enough a few Police Procedural have one older team-mate.

  • March 15, 2013
    acrobox
    what about something like Token Chaperone. Also note that The Mentor, The Obi Wan and other CoolOldGuys can essentially fill this role when the Competence Zone is shifted upward.

    The same way a group of 15 year-olds may have a 10 year-old tagalaong kid, while a group of 30 years-olds may have an 18 year-old tagalong kid.
  • March 15, 2013
    acrobox
    • Uncle Max in the Ben10 Series.
    • Also Naruto has this institutionalized in that most teams begin as 3 twelve year olds and one adult.
  • March 15, 2013
    Blooker
    I have a vague idea that Christopher Lloyd was this in Camp Nowhere, but someone with better memory will have to tackle that one.
  • March 15, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^^^ "Token Chaperone" doesn't sound right to me. It would have to be something more like "The Chaperone" or Kid Group Chaperone because it doesn't emphasize that the other members are younger well IMO. But I like the current name personally.

    And on the note. Do you mean, like for example, in relation to a group of younger adults with an older adult as a mentor? Just trying to see if I have the context right.

    edit: Actually nevermind I think "The Chaperone" sounds good. I was looking for a way to include older groups too. Because examples were getting kind of hyper specific. and that note fits a lot better with what I was going for.
  • March 16, 2013
    Arivne
    Namespaced and italicized the example work titles, alphabetized the media categories, changed some Significant Capitals to lowercase, spelling etc.
  • March 16, 2013
    xanderiskander
    I think I may have been editing at the same time because I couldn't find what you did in the editing history. But I fixed what I could like the italicized examples and the media categories.
  • March 16, 2013
    McKathlin
    I think that in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the turtles' teammate and mentor Splinter is a better fit for The Chaperone trope than their friend and Damsel In Distress April.
  • March 16, 2013
    Astaroth
    Kraden from the Golden Sun series, a 70+ year old scholar who goes on a journey with a party consisting of 3 teens and someone who is implied to be Really 700 Years Old but looks like a teen.
  • March 16, 2013
    GiantSpaceChinchilla
    Live Action TV
  • March 16, 2013
    xanderiskander
    Added and fixed the examples mentioned in the last three posts. I'm pretty satisfied with how this looks.
  • March 16, 2013
    XFllo
    The title - The Chaperone - makes me think of Jane Austen and Dances And Balls. Am I alone who thinks that? Tropers tend to be Literal Minded when it comes to trope names. I prefer the names that have the word adult in them.
  • March 16, 2013
    xanderiskander
    Huh I didn't know about that context. I'm going to add a tag that says it needs a better name to see if we can get some more discussion going on what the name should be.

    I like Token Adult Ally because it summarizes the trope really well. But I also thought The Chaperone was good too. Because I thought a chaperone was basically a single adult watching over minors.

    I'd just like a couple more opinions on the name.
  • March 16, 2013
    Arivne
    ^ x 7: Yes, all of my changes were erased. Trying again.
  • March 17, 2013
    XFllo
    Perhaps The Chaperone could be used, but I'd really prefer not to. Meanings of chaperone from Oxford advanced learner's dictionary:
    • 1 (in the past) an older woman who, on social occasions, took care of a young woman who was not married
    • 2 a person who takes care of children in public, especially when they are working, for example as actors
    • 3 (North American English) a person, such as a parent or a teacher, who goes with a group of young people on a trip or to a dance to encourage good behaviour

    Clearly this trope might be covered by def 2 and 3, but if I understand the trope right, it's also somebody who is the kids' friend and mentor more than just somebody who watches the kids. I kind of like Adult Ally, Token Adult Ally, or Adult Token.
  • March 17, 2013
    xanderiskander
    I'm going to change it to "The Adult Ally" for now. Because I definitely don't want the trope to be associated with an adult looking after (only) younger women or ball room/school dances. The description for a chaperone on wikipedia didn't fit well either. But I'm still going to hold off on launching for a bit to see if people like The Adult Ally as a name.
  • March 17, 2013
    Tropeless
    A sub one for [1]:

    • Eoleo, who is over 30 years old, joins the playable cast in [[Golden Sun Dark Dawn|Dark Dawn]] which otherwise consists of teenagers, like before. Kraden also returns to travel with them.

    Also, for the NCIS example, it goes into way too much detail for what this trope describes. I suggest mentioning that Gibbs is the only member with any gray hair and leaving it at that.
  • March 17, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^ The details in that example are justified because for an older adult to qualify over younger adults you have to demonstrate reasons why his Competence Zone is shifted upward compared to the rest of the team.or a large reason why he's highly trusted to handle things by the younger members.

    I could shorten those examples for the rest of the group (edit: I shortened it}, but I don't want to just say that he counts because he has gray hair, because that's almost a Zero Context Example
  • March 17, 2013
    xanderiskander
    I cut down the NCIS example drastically, but kept enough details so that it's still accurate to the show and the trope. Shortened some other examples too. Is that better? Also added the Golden Sun Dark Dawn examples.
  • March 17, 2013
    TrueShadow1
    • In Atelier Rorona, most of the playable characters are in their teens. Then there's the 28-year old Sterk. And later we also get Cool Old Guy Gio, who's in his forties. Both of them are considered the most powerful party members.
  • March 17, 2013
    FearlessSon
    I think "Token Adult" sounds good. It is brief and it encapsulates both that this character is an adult and that state is an exception to the rest of the primary cast.
  • March 17, 2013
    LiamM32
    I think that "Older Ally" would be a better, more accurate title than "Adult Ally". This is because the younger characters might just be young adults, while the older ally might just be a few decades older. Teenagers, by the way, actually are biologically considered adults. I think that biological adult is the true definision of adult.
  • March 17, 2013
    FearlessSon
    I still like the word "Token" for this, as it suggests that the character exists as an exception to the rest of the cast. Token Older Ally?
  • March 18, 2013
    Chabal2
    Number 5 in The Grand List Of Console Role Playing Game Cliches:
    Logans Run Rule: RPG characters are young. Very young. The average age seems to be 15, unless the character is a decorated and battle-hardened soldier, in which case he might even be as old as 18. Such teenagers often have skills with multiple weapons and magic, years of experience, and never ever worry about their parents telling them to come home from adventuring before bedtime. By contrast, characters more than twenty-two years old will cheerfully refer to themselves as washed-up old fogies and be eager to make room for the younger generation.
  • March 18, 2013
    randomsurfer
    In The Outsiders everyone in the gang is a teenager, mostly 16-17 with one Tagalong Kid at 14. The one outlier is Darry, who is 20 and the leader.
  • March 18, 2013
    Larkmarn
    I think Token Adult is best.

    I like The Chaperone the most, but I can understand where it has issues, so go with Token Adult.
  • March 18, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^^^ Do I put Logans Run Rule under video games or literature? Logan's run is tagged under literature, but it also seems be about video games (being from an index talking about games)
  • March 18, 2013
    GiantSpaceChinchilla
    ^I think that was supposed to be a quote.

    the NCIS thing is fine as you have it BTW
  • March 18, 2013
    xanderiskander
    A name I just thought of: "Only Older Peer" would work since the examples range outside of just video game parties, and adventure stories, (and teams of kids).

    Plus "peer" is a more neutral term that would let people assume they can add "unfriendly allies" as examples. Like some types of Foils, DeadPanSnarkers, Vitriolic Best Buds, and authority figures who berate immaturity. which we already have some examples for.
  • March 18, 2013
    PsiPaula4
    Duster from MOTHER 3's most likely in his 30s, while Lucas is about 13 and Kumatora's around 17.
  • March 18, 2013
    xanderiskander
    if we changed the name to Only Older Peer this is probably how I'd change the beginning of the description (keeping most of the rest the same, with some similar paragraphs cut out)

    A story that centers around a group made up entirely of children, teenagers, or just younger adults, introduces an older character who decides he wants to join in. He's the only elder or "adult" character in the group. That's the Only Older Peer

    In adventure stories, especially in video games or RolePlayingGameVerses, the group is often made up of children or teenagers with one older "adult" exclusively allied to them. His age could be anywhere from being old enough to drink (if the other group members are kids) to someone who is middle aged or over 50.

    In stories where he's the elder to a group of younger adults, a Cool Old Guy or The Mentor can fill this role when his Competence Zone is shifted upward compared to the rest of the group. This can be done by making the youngsters New Meat, ManChildren, or BunnyEarsLawyers. Occasionally though the Only Older Peer will stick out because he's a Bunny Ears Lawyer.
  • March 19, 2013
    TrueShadow1
  • March 19, 2013
    Psi001
    • Parodied in American Dad episode "American Dream Factory" where Steve forms a band consisting of his school friends and a coke snorting Jaded Washout for their drummer. He is eventually replaced by the similarly older Roger.
      Barry: We told you, no drugs!
      Gerry: And I told you if I was responsible, I wouldn't be in a band with a bunch of 14-year-olds!
  • March 19, 2013
    randomsurfer
    • In two episodes of Square Pegs Johnny's band "Open 24 Hours" performs. It includes himself on lead vocal, some other teens as backup singers/guitar/etc., and John Densmore from The Doors on drums (age about 38).
    • The Rocker: Failed drummer joins a band of people 20 years younger than he.
    • Arthur: Francine's band "U Stink" consists of her and several of her 3rd grade friends, plus 60-somthing Mrs. MacGrady on keyboard.
    • The Rolling Stones' former bassist Bill Wyman is 7-10 years older than the rest of the band. After he "retired" they didn't add another bassist
  • March 20, 2013
    Larkmarn
    What's wrong with Token Adult? I feel like it encapsulates this trope much better.
  • March 20, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    ^ Same here. The age of the other characters varies but the "older" one is always an adult so I don't see what was the problem with that.
  • March 20, 2013
    Jayam
    Exactly. Even in a company of 20-somethings, the 45-year-old dude would still be "the adult." It's all relative.
  • March 20, 2013
    XFllo
    I think this trope has some real issues with the name and shouldn't be launched soon. A crowner could help. I must say I am really not a fan of the current working title (which is Only Older Ally).
  • March 20, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^ (3 posters before) I thought Liam M 32 (above) had a point. But if people don't think it makes any difference than I guess I should have just stuck with Token Adult from the beginning. The description really handles any misunderstandings I guess?

    The "launch soon?" was to get people's feedback, on if it was ready for launch. That's why I put a question mark.

    I sent a message to a moderator to ask about adding a crowner
  • March 20, 2013
    XFllo
    ^ You can create a crowner yourself. Only closing up a crowner requires the staff.
  • March 20, 2013
    xanderiskander
    how do I do that?
  • March 20, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    You can check it here: How Crowners Work.
  • March 20, 2013
    xanderiskander
  • March 21, 2013
    Diask
    And another thing:
    • Galuf from Final Fantasy V is a token grandpa among a team of people in their early 20s. He eventually gets replaced with his 14-year old granddaughter however.
  • March 21, 2013
    LiamM32
    ^ To xandersikander; I guess that your right. Token Adult could probably work for a title. As long as you state in the description that the younger ones don't neccessarily have to be adults, than the title should be accurate enough.
  • March 22, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^I edited the paragraph concerning that saying they don't have to be adults. That part was supposed to be for works directed at older audiences where it's more common for the rest of the group to be younger adults (but not as a rule). I made sure to note that while editing also.

    Since Token Adult seems to be leading in votes on the crowner. Is there anything else this page needs? Or do we see it being ready for launching soon?
  • March 23, 2013
    xanderiskander
    Bump
  • March 23, 2013
    Koolkev
    Bravest Warriors has the Emotion Lord as the Token Adult among a group of teenagers. He wants to help and be part of the team, but Chris keeps telling him to stay out of the way because he is too old. Even though the Emotion Lord is actually Chris from the future.
  • March 24, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^I'm amazed I didn't think of that.
  • March 25, 2013
    xanderiskander
    Token Adult is in the lead on the crowner, and I feel like we have plenty of examples, and that the description is well rounded, and detailed enough. So I'm wondering if this is ready for launch yet?
  • March 25, 2013
    MokonaZero
    I think it's ready to launch.
  • March 25, 2013
    MissKitten
    Looks good. Ready to launch.
  • March 25, 2013
    xanderiskander
    Bump. Want to get a couple more agreeing opinions before I launch.
  • March 26, 2013
    Koveras
    It is.
  • March 26, 2013
    TrueShadow1
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