Created By: Tomodachi on July 18, 2013 Last Edited By: Tomodachi on August 31, 2013
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Memetic Loser

The fandom's Butt Monkey.

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Vegeta: Congratulations, you've just destroyed the equivalent of 3 Raditz.
Krillin: That's right. What now, you son of a bi--
Vegeta: Nappa here is worth 5 Raditz.
Krillin: ...What?
Vegeta: And I am worth 15 Raditz.
Krillin: (disappointed) I...oh.
Nappa: Aw, come on. Don't get so down on yourself. At least you've proven that your Raditz is still stronger than our Raditz.
Raditz: I. Hate. All of you!
--Dragon Ball Abridged, episode 8.

Sometimes a character is shown to be competent, maybe even heroic and badass. But that's not what they're remembered most for. Instead, they become remembered for their supposed "lameness". The fandom flanderizes that one time the character made a stupid mistake or got defeated in a shameful way, to the point the character looks like a complete weakling who cannot defeat an insect. Maybe a parody version of the character is more was more well know than the character themselves to begin with. Maybe the character is weak or unskilled at the begining of a series, but gains more skills and goes through Character Development later after the character's intial protrayal had already burned its way into most peoples' mines. However it happened the character's "lameness" undergoes Memetic Mutation and they reach Butt Monkey status within Fanon. Expect no one to care because it's funny.

Contrast Memetic Badass, Watch It for the Meme (for when it's something bad enough to draw people in).

Compare What Kind of Lame Power Is Heart, Anyway? (which is a possible cause of this trope being in effect), What Measure Is a Non-Badass?, Butt Monkey, The Scrappy, and Never Live It Down.

Examples

Anime and Manga
  • 'Dragon Ball Z':
    • Chaos is a memetic loser for having made a Stupid Sacrifice that didn't even scratch Nappa.
    Nappa: "HA HA, pointless."
    • The fandom jokes about Krillin always dying. He's been killed four times, by Piccolo, Frieza, Buu, and Super 17. Poor guy...
    • Yamcha is the ultimate loser, the king of this trope. He will be forever be know as the guy defeated by a Saibamen, in fact, that defeat created a meme where even a Magikarp can beat him.
    • Raditz is an absolute weakling, compared to other Dragon Ball Z villains, like Vegeta or Frieza. In Dragon Ball Abridged, he's considered the Evil Counterpart to Yamcha. Unlike other examples, he really never leaves this status.
    Vegeta: "I don't know what this 'Yamcha' is, but it sounds just like Raditz."
  • Ash gets this treatment in the fandom, due to never winning a major league (just the anime-only Orange Islands). Still, he has shown to be a competent trainer, hero in many movies, and a champion of the battle frontier, which needless to say, is harder than the champion league in the games. Still, "Gary was here, Ash is a loser".
  • Simon from "Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann". While early-series Simon is trying to find his footing and hence is not as Crazy Awesome as Kamina, late in the series he surpasses his "Aniki" in spades and Kamina himself acknowledges it (if posthumously). Alas, the meme guys didn't got the memo and Simon pretty much remains a useless whiny little bitch in their eyes, and if they do acknowledge his late-show achievements, they get rather schizophrenic about it: Simon's not one guy who outgrew his problems and faced his fears and became a Badass- it's more like there's two men called 'Simon', one who is a whiny little bitch and one who is pure high-octane GAR with no in-betweens.
  • Tuxedo Mask from Sailor Moon. He has throwing roses, an extendable cane (which he uses as a baton), and a propensity for dramatic entries to save and encourage the Sailor Senshi. He's somewhat useful in both Anime and Manga versions (although he goes Out of Focus on a couple of seasons and in one he got a bridge dropped (temporarily) on him off-screen (while he was going to America).) This has only fanned the Fanon of him being pretty damn useless period and no lack of jokes and curb-stomping are done at his expense in (mostly Crossover) Fan Fiction.

Comic Books

Film
  • Star Wars:
    • Jar Jar Binks. In the actual Star Wars canon, Jar Jar's a pretty significant guy. He led the Jedi to the Gungan hidden city, "helped" broker an agreement with Boss Nass and (in his own away) helped with the fight against the attacking Droid army. In the later movies, he became the Representative of Naboo (!) and was instrumental in getting Palpatine seated as The Emperor. But he'll always be considered the worst character ever, worse even than characters who did nothing at all.
    • The Stormtroopers are so memetically bad at hitting targets that they're the Trope Namer for Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy.

Live-Action TV

Tabletop Games
  • Abbadon the Despoiler from Warhammer 40K, or, as fans like to call him, Failbaddon the Armless. Though the character canonically is a very badass and dangerous villain, the fact he led no less than Thirteen crusades against the Imperium, and still failed to destroy it led to the development of his fanon portrayal as a General Failure.

Videogames
  • Kaguya Houraisan from Touhou. In canon, she's an immortal lunar princess with powerful time-warping abilities, and actually one of the harder bosses in higher difficulties. In fanon, she's a NEET who can't do anything but "HELP ME, EIRIN!!".
  • Lunamaria Hawke, thanks mostly to her appearances in the Super Robot Wars games. While she missed a pretty big target once during the series (and the following times she opened fire during the series she had average marksmanship), the games turned it into her having outrageously bad aim (of the "wouldn't hit the moon if she was standing on it" variety) and she became a Joke Character.
  • Megaman Legends:
    • Teisel Bonne, who whenever he has to fight against Megaman he is bound to lose however given simply fighting against a highly advanced precursor combat android in the Legends games. In the other games he gets captured early to the point that some parts of the Fandom think of him like this while forgetting that besides doing all the raiding schemes before Bon Bonne and Tron came into scene.
    • In Universe there is the case of Denise Marmalade (the Hero Antagonist) in The Misadventures of Tron Bonne. Suffering the same kind of punishment that Tron gets without a Mecha (on the first two rounds, on the third she gets it but it is a variant of a construction one barely modified) and fits the Failure Hero trope to a T. In universe even Tron that is a Villain Protagonist feels sorry for her and gives as a farewell present the Big Bad of the game. Cue the Crowning Moment of Heartwarming that is when Teisel says that Tron cares for her friend (which she denies).
  • Mike Dawson from Dark Seed is considered a loser because of plot developments between the first and second games. In the second game, he becomes much whinier than he was in the first. He can't even win carnival games. Other reasons why he's a loser involve spoilers for the game.

Web Original

Western Animation
  • Ma-Ti from Captain Planet and the Planeteers. To the point that this very Wiki named a trope after the supposed lameness of his powers. When in actuality, Heart Is an Awesome Power, and much more practical than say, his fellow Planteer Wheeler's ability to accidentally burn down a forest if he's not careful.
  • Superfriends:
    • NONE of the Superfriends are particularly cool in hindsight, not even the ones based agreed upon Badasses like Batman, even if they were all busy saving the world Once an Episode. It's common in parodies for The Superfriends to be protrayed as overly friendly, old timey, cheesey heroes that wouldn't be able to hold a candle to the Darker and Edgier later interpretations of The Justice League and what they go up against.
    • As noted above Aquaman gets this a lot because of his Superfriends version. Unlike the other heroes on the show though, for a long time it tainted the public's perception of him in other media as well (hence why he also gets his own mention in the comics section).
    • The WonderTwins are often mocked and parodied for having a cheesey power set. Zan, the one that could take the form of water, gets this twice as hard because of how his power looks next to Jayna's ability to turn into any animal. As pointed in a Cartoon Network spoof commercial he could be beaten by a sponge...and not even an evil sponge.
    • The original wonder duo, the powerless kid sidekicks Wendy and Marvin (and the Wonder Dog!) also get this often because of their percieved uselessness and unexplained presence (the powerless kids get to hang out with the all powerful grown up heroes, why exactly?). In one comic they show up only to later get mauled to death by The Wonder Dog, deconstructing their pressence in a superhuman setting.
    • The Superfriends versions of Hawkman and Hawkgirl are often mocked for having the ability to fly...on a team with an overfilled Flying Brick quota that already has that covered and then some. In a Fairly OddParents spoof, the Hawkgirl parody had "all the powers of a hawk and a gal!" And was the the last to arrive at a fight each time because how slowly she flew in comparison to the others...and then had her butt handed to to her once she actually got there.
  • Vilgax from Ben10 technically isn't one (far from it, actually), but his Alien Force incarnation's Villain Decay was so badly received by fans that AF Vilgax is now for ever remembered as a complete whimp who got easily defeated by Diamondhead and generally stays in the shadow of his former, much more badass self. The writers did try to rerail him in Ultimate Alien, but a lot of fans still tend to ignore that.
Community Feedback Replies: 94
  • July 18, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    Ant Man will forever be known as the lame guy that hit his wife that one time and has the not-so-useful power to controls ants, regardless of his portrayals in current comics or the existence of the much more useful Giant Man.

    Aqua Man sucks. He talks to fish. The public for the most part does not know or care about his more Bad Ass moments in the comics, they remember the memetic Super Friends version. This Looks Like A Job For Aqua Man, indeed.

    Ma-Ti from Captain Planet And The Planeteers. To the point on this very Wiki we named a trope after the supposed lameness of his powers. When actuality, Heart Is An Awesome Power, and much more practical than say, his fellow Planteer Wheeler's power to accidentally burn down a forest if he's not careful.

  • July 18, 2013
    maxwellsilver
    Needs proper formatting.
  • July 18, 2013
    TrueShadow1
    • Kaguya Houraisan from Touhou. In canon, she's an immortal lunar princess with powerful time-warping abilities, and actually one of the harder bosses in higher difficulties. In fanon, she's a NEET who can't do anything but "HELP ME, EIRIN!!".
  • July 19, 2013
    Mexichu
    • StarWars: Jar Jar Binks. Oh God does he suck. Despite basically stumbling his way through some of the most pivotal moments of the Star Wars universe, he never really rises about the vaguely racist comedic relief role he was destined to play.
  • July 19, 2013
    Arivne
    Namespaced and italicized work titles, divided works by media type, combined the Dragon Ball Z entries.
  • July 19, 2013
    Chabal2
    • A few codexes back, the Imperial Guard was this, a motley bunch of semicompetent redshirts with T-shirts and flashlights who can only shoot straight when the Commissar has gone through half the squad. Nowadays, the infantry's weakness is still present, but is largely compensated by the Tank Goodness.
      • Similarly, the Warhammer fandom likes to joke that Malekith (the extremely powerful sorcerer king of the Dark Elves) still lives with his mom (she put him in the throne in the first place, and is still making sure he stays there).
  • July 19, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    How does this differ from Memetic Mutation?
  • July 19, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    This seems like it would be a sub trope, the same way Memetic Badass is. Memetic Mutation is about memes in general; this is about when the meme is a character sucking (even if they've been a Bad Ass in universe).
  • July 19, 2013
    DAN004
  • July 19, 2013
    PDL
    Mike Dawson from Dark Seed. He wasn't so terrible in the first game, but the second game makes him one of the most pathetic game characters ever.
  • July 20, 2013
    Tomodachi
    ^^^^^^ Are you sure Jar Jar Binks is a memetic loser?

    I think you are confusing The Scrappy with this :/
  • July 21, 2013
    DAN004
    Being a memetic guy and The Scrappy at the same time sounds oxymoronic to me as well. :/
  • July 21, 2013
    marcoasalazarm
    ^^Some guys are Scrappies because they're memetic. They may have not been as useless as the fandom believes they are within the show/movie/book, but unfortunately the meme got to the fans first and they don't notice the forest for the trees, and dive into the fiction already hating the guy.

    A possible example for this: Xander Harris from Buffy The Vampire Slayer. The man shall always be 'The Zeppo' of the Scooby Gang, one of the guys who Whedon goes above and beyond the call of duty of putting through the wringer, and because of this (and the fact that many of his Crowning Moments of Awesome are more of the 'stare into the abyss and not blink' variety and not 'get into a bar brawl with the Apocalyptic Super-Beast Of The Week and win by plucking its heart out with a punch' variety (this is during the TV series, though, not knowing anything about the comic book personally), people see him as 'unmanly' and try ( maybe a bit too hard ) to give him a level in badass.

    Another possible example is Simon from "Gurren Lagann". While early-series Simon is trying to find his footing and hence is not as Crazy Awesome as Kamina, late in the series he surpasses his "Aniki" in spades and Kamina himself acknowledges it (if posthumously).

    Alas, the meme guys didn't got the memo and Simon pretty much remains a useless whiny little bitch in their eyes, and if they do acknowledge his late-show achievements, they get rather schizophrenic about it: Simon's not one guy who outgrew his problems and faced his fears and became a Badass-it's more like two men called 'Simon', one who is a whiny little bitch and one who is pure high-octane GAR with no in-betweens.
  • July 21, 2013
    MorganWick
    What's the relationship between What Kind Of Lame Power Is Heart Anyway and this? Aquaman and Ma-Ti are, respectively, the most infamous example and the Trope Namer.
  • July 21, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ They just happens to have the lame power of heart which leads to this trope. This YMMV does not necessarily involve that.
  • July 21, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    Another example: Magicarp from Video Game/Pokemon is supposedly the most useless of the starter Pokemon. This despite as [[this http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Co-DbeNOa0&desktop_uri=/watch?v=5Co-DbeNOa0]] parody shows, if you can get one to evolve its quite useful indeed.
  • July 21, 2013
    Mexichu
    In the actual Star Wars canon, Jar Jar Binks is a pretty significant guy. He led the Jedis to the Gungan hidden city, "helped" broker an agreement with The Leader and (in his own awful way) helped with the fight against the attacking Droid army. In the later movies he became the Representative of Naboo (!) and was instrumental in getting Palpatine seated as The Emperor.

    But he'll always be considered the worst character ever, worse even than characters who did NOTHING AT ALL. I think that qualifies.
  • July 22, 2013
    Tomodachi
    ^^^^ Ok, Jar Jar Binks sounds good, but, About Dan Hibiki. Im really not an expert on the street fighters games, so I can't tell...
  • July 22, 2013
    Tomodachi
    ^^^^ I don't know about Magikarp, in many parodies he shows to be actually a Memetic Badass that can defeat Arceus. Besides, he is really not that bad in stats, compared to others like Unown. But, he is certainly an In-Universe example, since the pokedex always talk about how lame the pokemon is.
  • July 22, 2013
    chicagomel
    ^^^^Ash Ketchum gets it too in that fandom, due to never winning a major league (just the anime-only Orange Islands). The most famous one is probably the Gary Oak one..,"Gary was here,Ash is a loser".
  • July 25, 2013
    Tomodachi
    ^ Oh indeed, Ash is a Loser, and Gary Motherfucking Oak. Expecially when you compare him with Red from the manga and videogames.
  • August 1, 2013
    maxwellsilver
    I think Raditz might be a poor choice for a trope namer. I say keep it as Memetic Loser.

    Also, Aquaman also has (or had) a weakness that if he was out of water for more than a half hour, he went into a coma and died.
  • August 1, 2013
    Snicka
    Another example from the Star Wars movies may be the Imperial Stormtroopers. They are so memetically bad at hitting targets that they are the Trope Namer for Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy.
  • August 1, 2013
    hbi2k
    If we're defining this trope as the inverse of Memetic Badass, I don't think Jar Jar applies. The meme isn't that he's an ineffectual loser, it's that he's ANNOYING.

    I don't think a character has to be hated by the fandom to be this trope. The character could be a Lovable Loser and still count as long as the tales of his loserness are memetically exaggerated in the fandom. For example:

  • August 1, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    Okay added some examples from the discussion, and added a "compare" list to the trope description. Can anyone beef up the description a little bit so this is a little more clearly defined (I would but I'm editing from a jumpy tablet right now because the wifi on my laptop is down...and I'm lazy).
  • August 6, 2013
    Ookamikun
    Actually that Ash picture is pretty wrong. He has more Pokemon than Red, managed to blow Gary in their official fights, and pretty much ruined not only Team Rocket's plot, but also Magma/Aqua's, Galactic's, and Plasma's.
  • August 6, 2013
    Tomodachi
    Yeah, but if he is so competent, why haven't win a major league event? People don't expect, they know he will lose a pointless fight, and consider him someone who will never becomes a champion. Besides, Ash can't defeat the fanon version of Red from the games, which is pretty much bland and a case of OC Stand In. Can't defeat an red eyes champion that has been in a mountain for three years, right?

    I agree with you Hbi2k, sounds fair.

    maxwellsilver: Makes kinda sense, considering he is a fish-man, but, sounds incredibly lame :/

  • August 6, 2013
    Theokal3

    Western Animation:

  • August 6, 2013
    Theokal3

    Tabletop Game

    • Abbadon the Despoiler from Warhammer 40 K, or, as fans like to call him, Failbaddon the Armless. Though the character canonically is a very badass and dangerous villain, the fact he led no less than Thirteen crusades against the Imperium, and still failed to destroy it led to the development of his fanon portrayal as a General Failure.
  • August 7, 2013
    Tomodachi
    ^ Armless or Harmless?
  • August 7, 2013
    MrRuano
    ^ Armless is the more recognizable one, what with the bigger recurring gag about his arms falling off.

  • August 7, 2013
    RedBuster
    Zilla in Godzilla Final Wars, he loses from Godzilla in 15 seconds! and the Fandom thanks the Toho for this scene, and in the Godzilla1998 movie, she is destroyed by simple missiles.
  • August 7, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    Revamped the description.
  • August 8, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    ^^ I'm slightly confused by that example. Did you mean he looses to Godzilla in 15 seconds...not sure what you meant by from? Sorry, I'm not familiar enough from the Godzilla films to figure it out from context (are Zilla and Godzilla even different characters)????
  • August 8, 2013
    marcoasalazarm
    The Roland Emmerich version of Godzilla is not exactly liked by many Godzilla purists (they do like the animated version of said Godzilla ("Zilla Jr.") more, though. Especially because it has more Kaiju battles).

    The Curb Stomp Battle (and the fact said American Godzilla cameo is done with really shitty CGI) is somewhat Pandering To The Base.
  • August 8, 2013
    CluLegacy
    All the examples seem to be made up. Motion to discard.
  • August 8, 2013
    marcoasalazarm
    Lunamaria Hawke, thanks mostly to her appearances in the Super Robot Wars games. While she missed a pretty big target once during the series (and the following times she opened fire during the series she had average marksmanship), the games turned it into her having outrageously bad aim (of the "wouldn't hit the moon if she was standing on it" variety) and a Joke Character.
  • August 8, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    ^^ what exactly do you mean by "made up?". Based in the fandoms I'm familiar with listed here, they seem like pretty accurate descriptions of how fans portray these characters. The examples I initially added (Ant Man, Ma-Ti, Aquaman) can be backed up by other pages on this wiki. See the description, like Memetic Sex God this is usually played for laughs within a fandom.
  • August 8, 2013
    RedBuster
    Shinji from Neon Genesis Evangelion mainly in the anime incarnations, he win some fights but he create Apocalypse Wow in End of Evangelion, in Super Robot Wars games he inner in EVA-Beserk can be destroyed be Goldion Crusher and not the mention from the nicknames given by Asuka: "Idiot Shinji" and "Brat Shinji" in Rebuild Of Evangelion.
  • August 8, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    I put the Lunamaria example in video games because it seemed to mostly be about her portrayal in Super Robot Wars. Any objections..... or? (If anyone else wants to go through and add examples from the comments feel free...I feel like I unwittingly set myself up to be the sucker that eventually has to launch this...and do all the wicking that comes with that).
  • August 9, 2013
    Tomodachi
    ^^ I don't know about Shinji Ikari, to be honest. I only saw the first anime series. Besides, there is... problems with your grammar, Red Buster.

    ^Sure, until someone says otherwise, the Lunamaria example is good.
  • August 9, 2013
    CluLegacy
    I think this trope will be a magnet to people wanting to bash characters they dislike.
  • August 9, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ In practice, yeah. Though I guess it's quite clear what this trope is aiming for... And this is a YMMV anyway.
  • August 9, 2013
    marcoasalazarm
    ^This is not about characters which are bashed because of individual dislike. There is a difference. Especially because this trope description says that the characters are competent, Badass, non-whiny, whatever (and some examples mention this as well), but Memetic Mutation has bashed their reputation nevertheless.

    So it's kind of like Overshadowed By Controversy, Watch It For The Meme ("Overshadowed by the Meme?" Do we have that?), and similar YMMV stuff.
  • August 10, 2013
    marcoasalazarm
    YKKTW Bump.
  • August 10, 2013
    Mauri
    ^^ It is that one mistake that they won't live it down, fandom aside. Thing is that in the end eve for a YMMV the discussion will be heated. I support keeping it as the "Memetic Loser" as a lot of people haven't watched all the Dragon Ball series and / or the neutral name fits more the situation. Ironically I am bringing an in Universe example and one that the fandom debates but considering the situation of the series...

    Video Game Example
    • Megaman Legends: Brings us Teisel Bonne, who whenever he has to fight against Megaman he is bound to lose however given simply fighting against a highly advanced precursor combat android in the Legends games. In the other games he gets captured early to the point that some parts of the Fandom think of him like this while forgetting that besides doing all the raiding schemes before Bon Bonne and Tron came into scene.
  • August 10, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    Here's one:

    The Wonder Twins from Superfriends. In all fairness NONE of the Superfriends are particularly cool in hindsight, not even the ones based agreed upon Badasses like Batman, even if they were all busy saving the world Once An Episode. But the The Twins are of particular note among The Friends, being second only to Aquaman in having their "lameness" reach Ascended Meme Status. In one comic they show up only to get mauled by The Wonder Dog. Zan, the one that could take the form of water, gets this twice as hard because of how his power looks next to Jayna's ability to turn into any animal.

  • August 10, 2013
    TiggersAreGreat
    Revolution: The way the Hatedom tells it, Charlie Matheson is the biggest loser in the entire show. This is in spite of the facts that she helped get Miles Matheson back into the game, put a sniper rifle in the hands of a rebel group, and took down a number of Monroe militia members like Lieutenant Slotnick and Sergeant Joseph Wheatley.
  • August 10, 2013
    marcoasalazarm
    ^Superfriends info needs some correction: There's the Wonder Twins Zak and Jaina (which are the Trope Namer for Wonder Twin Powers and have the Memetic Mutation of having lousy powers, as mentioned on the post), and there's Wendy and Melvin (who are the ones who had the Wonder Dog and are mauled by said Wonder Dog (or at least for a demonic dog they adopted which looked nice at first and was jokingly called 'Wonder Dog' by the Titans.)
  • August 11, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    Sorry, that's what I get for editing at one am. Fixed and expanded.
  • August 11, 2013
    marcoasalazarm
    ^Pretty good expansion.

    Another possible example of Memetic Loser-dom: Tuxedo Mask from Sailor Moon. He has throwing roses, an extendable cane (which he uses as a baton), and a propensity for dramatic entries to save and encourage the Sailor Senshi. He's somewhat useful on both Anime and Manga versions of the show (although he gets Out Of Focus on a couple of seasons and on one he got a bridge dropped (temporarily) on him off-screen (while he was going to America).) This only has fanned the Fanon of him being pretty damn useless period and no lack of jokes and curb-stomping are done at his expense on (mostly Crossover) Fan Fiction.
  • August 11, 2013
    CluLegacy
    • Dragon Ball:
      • Kulilin is a memetic loser for having been killed by Piccolo, pulverized by Freeza and having always his ass saved by Goku in other occasions.
      • Chaos is a memetic loser for having made a Stupid Sacrifice that didn't even scratch Nappa.
  • August 11, 2013
    Tomodachi
    ^ The fandom jokes about Krillin always dying. I think you want to said "Krillin is a memetic loser for having been killed four times, by Piccolo, Frieza, Buu, and Super 17. Poor guy...

    And, quoting Nappa "HA HA, pointless".
  • August 12, 2013
    Theokal3
    Just wondering, why was the Vilgax exemple removed, exactly ? Didn't it fit the trope ?
  • August 13, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    Added the Dragon Ball example with the suggested edit from Tomodaci. I placed it above the Dragon Ball Z examples if no one minds, because the two kind of go together. I'll move it back to the bottom of the anime/manga section if there's objection.
  • August 13, 2013
    Tomodachi
    ^ Im not sure why it was removed...
  • August 13, 2013
    Tomodachi
    Im thinking in adding more quotes. Anyone got an idea besides the "Even Yamcha can beat you" minor meme?
  • August 13, 2013
    Mauri
    The problem is that a lot of this goes with a YMMV sauce so going to find examples depends on the fandom you consult and how objective they can get. Also just wondering this little detail: Is being the one hit by the worf effect every week just to get to show how powerful the monster of the week help to qualify?
  • August 18, 2013
    marcoasalazarm
    Another thing would be to check the Meme sites and the Fanfiction sites.

    Is the apparent suckyness of one character a Memetic Mutation on the site? Is his one Never Live It Down moment all they talk about to make him a complete loser regardless of actual effectiveness in the series before or after? Then he belongs here.

    Fan Fiction sites: check the fic count, then check said fics: is it a Fandom Specific Plot to give one character a level in badass? Are a large number of fics which don't have said plot holding a Running Gag of the character being completely or near-completely useless?

    Then yeah, he fits here.

    Emphasis must be made in that this is the way the fans see it, not the way the character is.
  • August 19, 2013
    Mauri
    Also it is to be noted that there are in universe examples but these are a bit rare to fish out.
  • August 20, 2013
    Tomodachi
    Magikarp is a interesting example. Either fans says he a Memetic Loser or a complete Badass who can defeat Arceus (along with that famous fisherman with six magikarps). But, In universe, he is a complete loser. Lets read the pokedex:
    Red/Blue: In the distant past, it was somewhat stronger than the horribly weak descendants that exist today.
    Gold: An underpowered, pathetic Pokemon. It may jump high on rare occasions, but never more than seven feet.
    Crystal: This weak and pathetic Pokemon gets easily pushed along rivers when there are strong currents.
    Ruby: Magikarp is a pathetic excuse for a Pokemon that is only capable of flopping and splashing. This behavior prompted scientists to undertake research into it.
    Sapphire: Magikarp is virtually useless in battle as it can only splash around. As a result, it is considered to be weak. However, it is actually a very hardy Pokemon that can survive in any body of water no matter how polluted it is.
    FireRed: It is virtually worthless in terms of both power and speed. It is the most weak and pathetic Pokemon in the world.
    LeafGreen: In the distant past, it was somewhat stronger than the horribly weak descendants that exist today.
    Diamond: It is said to be the world's weakest Pokemon. No one knows why it has managed to survive.

  • August 21, 2013
    Snicka
    This is also related to Butt Monkey. To put it simple, a Memetic Loser is pretty much the fandom's Butt Monkey.
  • August 21, 2013
    marcoasalazarm
    This Trope is about... yeah, a fandom Butt Monkey. Him being a Butt Monkey within the series universe is optional.
  • August 21, 2013
    Snicka
    Another Web Original character that qualifies is Bad Luck Brian.
  • August 21, 2013
    Tomodachi
    Laconic description changed. Thanks Snicka.
  • August 22, 2013
    Snicka
    No worries.
  • August 22, 2013
    KingZeal
    Forgive me, I added a quote to the DBZ example.
  • August 22, 2013
    Tomodachi
    Not bad, it fits. But DBZA is the only quotes source? XD The only quote I found related to this is one about Aquaman... but its Linkara saying it, in the defense of the jet-ski superhero.
  • August 22, 2013
    Tomodachi
    For this trope image, I suggest the Yamcha meme. Any objections?
  • August 22, 2013
    Mauri
    Not sure still I guess that suggestion in the YMMV basis could go under image picking but what I'm wondering is in itself for more examples.
  • August 25, 2013
    Tomodachi
    Edit: This post has been edited by Arivne to put a line under a picture so it doesn't break YKTTW. OP was Tomodachi. Tomodachi, to put your name back on this post just edit it in any way, such as by deleting this paragraph.

    I suggest this picture as the trope image.


  • August 25, 2013
    Synchronicity
    • Attack On Titan's fandom loves poking fun at Jean and his hopeless crush on Mikasa and his initial desperation to prove himself, although it's mostly loving and exaggerated.
  • August 25, 2013
    Tomodachi
    Not sure I understand the context of the picture :(.

    What about: [IMG][/IMG]

    Juxtaposed with this:

    [IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com[/IMG]

    Or

    [IMG][/IMG]
  • August 26, 2013
    Tomodachi
    Im not very sure the second one should be the trope image... but the first one could work.

    And the context of the picture was The memetic mutation that came with it. Yamcha can't take a... poor guy
  • August 26, 2013
    QuestionMarker
    There are some pretty good pictures of Krillin and the Krillin Owned Counter in this thread for The Chew Toy that they didn't end up using, those might work since they illustrate the Memetic Mutation.
  • August 26, 2013
    Mauri
    I could put the idea of putting two sides one with the canon side offering the good side of the character and in the second how the fandom sees the character. Kind of what is shown in the image of draco in leather pants...
  • August 26, 2013
    Snicka
    I think the Yamcha vs Magicarp comic (that is already mentioned among the examples) also would be a good choice for trope image.
  • August 26, 2013
    Snicka
    The Chew Toy is also a related trope.
  • August 26, 2013
    somerandomdude
  • August 26, 2013
    BearyScary
    Is it safe to say that Mike Dawson from Dark Seed is an example? The YMMV page for the games actually says that Dawson is an inversion of Memetic Badass, calling him a Memetic Loser.
  • August 27, 2013
    ALittleBitOfTheEarth
    How is this very different from Never Live It Down ? Is it possible to merge the two?
  • August 27, 2013
    marcoasalazarm
    Never Live It Down doesn't just focuses on people being losers. There's also examples of people being considered perverts (covert or otherwise-certainly more than in canon), being a constant Jerkass when they were only justifiably cranky at one point and it was a big blow-out, Driving Like Crazy after just one scene of them doing something to scare the shit out of the passengers as a joke, etc.
  • August 27, 2013
    ALittleBitOfTheEarth
    Oh...alright. But a Memetic Loser is a kind of Never Live It Down right? They're different of course, just slightly related right ?
  • August 27, 2013
    Tomodachi
    Snicka, that comic is GOOD!
  • August 27, 2013
    Tomodachi
    Beary Scary: Actually, is a good example. Memetic Loser is supposed to be an inversion, so he counts. But, we need explanation for why he is "lame" in the eyes of the fandom.
  • August 27, 2013
    BearyScary
    @/Tomodachi: Mike Dawson is considered a loser because of plot developments between the first and second games. In the second game, he becomes much whinier than he was in the first. He can't even win carnival games. Other reasons why he's a loser involve spoilers for the game.
  • August 27, 2013
    marcoasalazarm
    ^Seems like it, yeah, but from what I can get w/the trope description so far it's when it goes into Memetic Mutation. This goes Up To Eleven in Never Live It Down.
  • August 28, 2013
    DAN004
    Launch plz?
  • August 28, 2013
    Tomodachi
    In a moment!
  • August 30, 2013
    Tomodachi
    So... this was not aproved? Im sorry, I can't enter in the discussion pages so I don't know what happened :(
  • August 30, 2013
    Mauri
    Well you can press the launch button but I guess that you are going to leave the image picking on the image picking forum. Edit: Almost forgot I still keep the idea of the 2 sides the "in story" and the "fanon" views as in the cases of: Draco In Leather Pants, Ron the Death Eater, Frothy Mugs of Water, etc.
  • August 30, 2013
    DAN004
    Now launch plz.
  • August 30, 2013
    morenohijazo
    You know that the trope page isn't automatically created when you click the launch button, and you must create it yourself, right?
  • August 31, 2013
    Tomodachi
    Fridge Logic then. ^^:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=i353j55l3lbqf3f82w87r79d&trope=MemeticLoser