Created By: neoYTPism on June 30, 2011 Last Edited By: neoYTPism on January 29, 2013

She Never Liked Me!

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Woody: [You and Daisy] used to do everything together.
Lotso: Yeah, and then she threw us out.
Woody: No, she LOST you.
Lotso: She REPLACED us!
Woody: She replaced YOU, and if YOU couldn't have her, no one could! You LIED to Big Baby, and you've been LYING ever since! [Daisy] loved you, Lotso...
Lotso: She never loved ME!
Woody: ... as much as ANY kid ever loved a toy!

Do We Have This One?? Oh, and I'm open to title suggestions, and suggestions on how to better describe this concept.

Suppose Alice and Bob, who used to be friends if not more than friends, don't get along as well as they used to. Their attitudes have shifted to like each other less than they used to, or alternatively, maybe only one of them likes the other less than before, but the increase in contempt isn't mutual.

In any case, one or both of them will talk about how they got along as if the other either hated or never cared about them. Any evidence that the other person ever liked or loved them will be explained away as anything BUT friendship or love. An outsider's perspective on their past friendship or love may find this uncalled for, and may ask questions like "have you forgotten your good times together?"

Perhaps they have forgotten, or at least have a warped perception of this in hindsight. Perhaps they're just so cynical as to simply believe that such moments were meaningless. Or maybe they don't really mean it and just seek an excuse to be hateful, though often it isn't REALLY this motive so much as mistaken for it.

Compare/contrast with some varieties of Tsunderes, who are often associated with denial of having loved or even liked someone else.

Truth in Television, of course, but it might be an idea to focus on fictional examples for now.
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  • July 3, 2011
    • Parodied in an episode of Johnny Test. When Susan gets kidnapped, Mary tries to convince Johnny to save her by telling him to remember all the good times he had with her.
      (Shows a bunch of flashbacks with Johnny as a test subject for various experiments)
      Mary: I said remember the good times.
      Johnny: Those were the good times.
  • July 8, 2011
    • Inverted in Chapter 31: "Fire Spike", from Gunnerkrigg Court. Happens in the beginning of a heated discussion between Annie and Renard concerning Annie's mother's (supposed) love for him. It's in this moment when things start to go south.
      Annie: (...) You're not my father, Renard, so stop trying to act like it.
      Renard: Well! If I was, maybe I'd have done a better job than that man.
      Annie: (Gets mad.)
      Renard: I don't know what Surma ever saw in him. What trickery he must have played to lure her away from me. My poor Surma.
      Annie: They loved each other.
      Renard: Ha! Your father was incapable of feeling anything other than disdain.
      Annie: He-he dedicated his life to curing my mother's illness.
      Renard: Pfft! And what good did it do him? Unable to save his own wife. What sort of man would-
      Annie: She never loved you.
  • July 8, 2011
    Riff-Raff's "THEY NEVER LIKED ME!" outburst at the end of The Rocky Horror Picture Show.
  • July 9, 2011
    More damned dialog. How about a real trope? I guess this is about a person denying that the relationship was ever good. How about naming it for that, rather then some line somebody might have used to do the denial.
  • July 9, 2011
    How would you suggest I go about naming it for that, then? @ Fast Eddie

    Like I said, I am open to title suggestions; ideally ones that refer to the character denying this, as that would make it a counterpart to the tsundere...
  • July 10, 2011
    The Smothers Brothers "Mom Always Liked You Best!" routine. I can't pick a representative quote, it's the whole thing.
  • July 11, 2011
  • July 11, 2011
    That makes it seem like a denial of one`s own love for someone else, which is often associated with the Tsundere
  • July 13, 2011
    False Love?
  • July 13, 2011
  • July 15, 2011
    Neither of these seem to really capture the concept; actually, False Love is probably more so the opposite.
  • July 16, 2011
  • July 16, 2011
    Either remove or spoiler tag that page quote. Preferably remove.
  • July 16, 2011
    The dialogue example is the closest thing I have to something in this YKTTW describing the concept. I will, however, try to conceal the most spoilery parts of the dialogue.
  • January 29, 2013
    Stock phrase. Dialogue title. No action in over two years. Discarding.