Created By: Valhelm on August 20, 2012 Last Edited By: Valhelm on September 3, 2012
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Black is Bigger in Bed

Men of African descent are stereotyped as being well-endowed.

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A very prevalent notion in modern society is the idea that black men have particularly large penises. The stereotype is a very old one, likely centuries. While somewhat of a positive trope (similar to the idea that Asians are smart), it has some negative consequences, and quite a checkered past. According to a survey, in which hundreds of men throughout the United States self-reported their penis size, African Americans exaggerated their own measurements significantly more than other ethnic groups. And abroad, many black males are ridiculed or objectified due to these stereotypes which mostly stem from the US.

Since the colonial era, there has been the idea of a well-endowed, sturdily-built, and rather libidinous black man. Until the late twentieth century, it was commonly accepted that men of color were rather lustful, and many terrible, terrible hate crimes were committed due to this assumption, as the victims were accused of rape, usually with no evidence whatsoever.

The jury is out on whether or not this trope is offensive. While certainly a bit racist, especially due to its roots, many people of color spread and agree with it, and lots of black men brag about their own dimensions. Nowadays it would be very politically incorrect to mention (at least in the public sphere) that African American guys are perverted or lack self-control, but the "Black Mamba" is very deeply ingrained in popular culture.


Examples

Comics

  • In Les Innommables a black guy is refused entry into an Asian brothel because the girls are afraid he's far too large for them.

Comedy

  • Jaakko Teppo tells a self-admittedly dirty joke about a racist guy in Tampere who has just met two black guys on Tammerkoski bridge and is telling his friend all about it:
    "And they go on to piss off the bridge, and this one n****r says, Aw shit, man, is the water cold today, and the other one says, And the bottom's muddy too, dammit!"

Film
  • A common, common, common trope in Blaxploitation films from the '70s. Many movies, such as Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song, star a hero known for his... measurements.
  • In the film Black Dynamite, a modern Affectionate Parody of the genre, the protagonist manages to have sex with three women simultaneously, and please all of them equally.
  • * Blazing Saddles.
    • Lili is seducing the new, black, sheriff. We hear this in the dark:
      Lili Von Shtupp: Tell me, schatze, is it twue what they say about the way you people are... gifted?
      [sound of zipper opening]
      Lili Von Shtupp: Oh, it's twue. It's twue. It's twue, it's twue!
    In the original script this was followed by Sheriff Bart saying "You're sucking my elbow."
    • In another scene:
      Charlie: They said you was hung. [[labelnote:He means "hanged," the proper past tense of "to hang someone."]]
      Bart: And they was right. [[labelnote:He doesn't.]]
  • At one point in the Vietnam epic Full Metal Jacket, a hooker initially refuses to sleep with an African American man because of his so-called "Alabama blacksnake".
  • Referenced once in Gutterballs.
  • In Liberty Heights, a teenager tells his friend that somebody saw the new black kid in the shower and he was huge. However, it's unknown if that is true or just gossip.
  • In The Full Monty, the black guy, Horse, becomes concerned when he learns of the plan to strip completely, because he thinks everyone will expect his penis to be large when it is instead of normal size. It is instead Guy, a white guy, who has a rather large penis.
Gaz (upon seeing Guy's "assets" at the tryouts): Gentlemen, the lunchbox has landed.
  • The Full Monty also subverts it, in that Dave asks his wife if, were anything to happen to him, she might take up with a black feller. She answers that she "might do, yeah". He immediately goes into a funk, because everyone knows they have "great bodies and that"[[hottip:*:some do, yeah]]. However, he really is talking about their physiques, and not their equipment, because he's very insecure about his appearance.
  • Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle: Harold gets locked up in jail with a philosophical black man, who is resigned to his fate.
    Harold: I don't understand how you can be so calm about all this.
    Tarik: Look at me. I'm fat, black, can't dance, and I have 2 gay fathers. People have been messin' with me my whole life. I learned a long time ago that there's no sense gettin' all riled up every time a bunch of idiots give you a hard time. In the end, the universe tends to unfold as it should. Plus, I have a really large penis. That keeps me happy.

Literature

  • Deconstructed in the novel Eaters Of The Dead, in which every culture apparently has this myth about one ethnic group or another. The Nordic women encountered by the Arabic narrator assume he'll be massively endowed; being well-traveled, he remarks that he's heard identical rumors in most countries, usually about a population that lives far away from whomever is spreading the rumor.

Music
  • A ton of rap lyrics are about the singer's penis, and most rappers are black.
  • This is even referenced in an old jazz song, All That Meat and No Potatoes sung by Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong.

Live-Action TV
  • Becomes a minor plot point in Sirens where Ash is coming onto the black cop Ryan. Ryan is quite upset about this stereotype. He says that yeah; while some black guys play up this angle, it's still insulting, and turns Ash down.

Web Original
  • This is mentioned in the Dirty Potter audio spoof series.
  • Gaijin Chronicles is the blog of a black man who teaches English in a Japanese middle school. The first post recounts his dealings with his students, whose only knowledge of America comes from television, specifically their enthusiastic assumption that he has a "bigu dikku" and desire to confirm the same.

Western Animation

Tabletop Games
  • Invoked and subverted in FATAL: there's a magical armor that turns you into a black guy. Its very disgusting and racist effects include that "If the wearer is male, then those around him are 80% likely to believe that his manhood has increased, though it has not."

Real Life
  • Quite a few people assume this to be true, even if they've never once seen an African American man sans ropas. Several articles on the phenomenon have been published in scientific journals, and entire books on the matter have been penned by physicians, sociologists, and psychologists.
Community Feedback Replies: 61
  • August 20, 2012
    animeg3282
    Ok, but why the name BBC?
  • August 20, 2012
    SKJAM
    Major problem--a fairly large section of the viewership is going to see that abbreviation and think you're talking about the British Broadcasting Corporation.
  • August 20, 2012
    NimmerStill
    ^^One of the Bs stands for "big". Etc. etc. ^Yeah, but there's plenty of tropes more confusing than that. Im A Humanitarian comes to mind.
  • August 20, 2012
    animeg3282
    ^^ That's what I thought it was about and then was confused when it was about a common racial stereotype instead.
  • August 20, 2012
    Valhelm
    Title changed to "Big Black Cock" Is that too vulgar?
  • August 20, 2012
    randomsurfer
    ^Absolutely it's too vulgar. I agree it's a trope (even though it overlaps with Bigger Is Better In Bed) but I suspect it may not survive in the new "PG-13" era of TV Tropes. That being said, here's an example.

    • Blazing Saddles.
      • Lili is seducing the new, black, sheriff. We hear this in the dark:
        Lili Von Shtupp: Tell me, schatze, is it twue what they say about the way you people are... gifted?
        [sound of zipper opening]
        Lili Von Shtupp: Oh, it's twue. It's twue. It's twue, it's twue!
      In the original script this was followed by Sheriff Bart saying "You're sucking my elbow."
      • In another scene:
        Charlie: They said you was hung. [[labelnote:He means "hanged," the proper past tense of "to hang someone."]]
        Bart: And they was right. [[labelnote:He doesn't.]]
  • August 21, 2012
    polarbear2217
    Well-Endowed Black for a less...vulgar title?
  • August 21, 2012
    TheHandle
  • August 21, 2012
    surgoshan
    There's a bit of truth to this (at least according to a 30 year old article). Unfortunately, it only reports averages and not standard deviations. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/461/does-average-human-penis-length-vary-among-ethnic-groups

    Erect penis lengths 6.2" for whites, 6.3 for blacks. Circumference 3.7" vs 3.8".

    You may also want to include this highly professional and thoroughly reliable article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_penis_size
  • August 21, 2012
    animeg3282
    That's not even that big a difference! BTW: No real life examples or else we'll get a lot of "my boyfriend was black and he had a ten inch python"
  • August 21, 2012
    Nocturna
    The porn example needs to go. We're no longer collecting examples of porn, even in a general sense.
  • August 21, 2012
    captainpat
    Can the last paragraph be re-worded or removed? because it sounds extremely assumptive and generalizing. It's best to leave trope description about the trope and not the reactions to it.
  • August 21, 2012
    Shrikesnest
    What? No. What?
  • August 21, 2012
    TheRealMan
    I think the new name works better without sound overly offensive.
  • August 21, 2012
    NightNymph
    Subversion - I think - I still sometimes have problems with inverted versus subverted, but input would be good since this is a good example of whatever it is.

    • In The Full Monty, the black guy, Horse, becomes concerned when he learns of the plan to strip completely, because he thinks everyone will expect his penis to be large when it is instead of normal size. It is instead Guy, a white guy, who has a rather large penis.
    Gaz (upon seeing Guy's "assets" at the tryouts): Gentlemen, the lunchbox has landed.
  • August 21, 2012
    NimmerStill
    Well, Asians have darker skin that white people, but, you know how the stereotype goes there.
  • August 22, 2012
    surgoshan
    • The Full Monty also subverts it, in that Dave asks his wife if, were anything to happen to him, she might take up with a black feller. She answers that she "might do, yeah". He immediately goes into a funk, because everyone knows they have "great bodies and that"[[hottip:*:some do, yeah]]. However, he really is talking about their physiques, and not their equipment, because he's very insecure about his appearance.
  • August 22, 2012
    Valhelm
    May I ask what Tv Tropes' new standards are in regards to less, er, wholesome tropes and examples?
  • August 22, 2012
    animeg3282
    Went to P5 thread. They say it's OK based on content just no porn examples.
  • August 22, 2012
    Routerie
    Latest title doesn't work... there is no stereotype that darker skin means a bigger penis. It's that blacks (i.e. people of African descent) have larger penises.
  • August 23, 2012
    NoirGrimoir
    Maybe just a name like Blacks Are Bigger or Blacks Are Bigger In Bed.

    I feel like for some reason Japanese stuff especially holds to this. There aren't a lot of black characters in anime but when there are this tends to be eluded to, possibly because of the opposite stereotype about Asians down there. It's a bit of self-consciousness.
  • August 23, 2012
    TwoGunAngel
    Yeah. When I saw the name Black Mamba, I thought of the snake (and The Bride, but that's neither here nor there).
  • August 23, 2012
    Valhelm
    "Black is Better in Bed" is the new title. It adds some cohesiveness with another trope, and is much less ambiguous.
  • August 23, 2012
    Tuckerscreator
    Much improved title, I say.
  • August 23, 2012
    randomsurfer
  • August 23, 2012
    animeg3282
    LO Lz, the trope while racist is more black is bigger in bed than better.
  • August 24, 2012
    alexschrod
    Yeah, "bigger in bed" rather than "better in bed". Bigger is not necessarily the same as better.
  • August 24, 2012
    peccantis
    ^yeah, Bigger Is Better In Bed is a whole separate trope (although it IS the reason why this one gets so much... screen time).

    Change the title again please. Not only does it have issues with BIBIB, it also (wrongly) includes women as per ^^^. Black Is Bigger In Bed work and not be too BBC.
  • August 24, 2012
    abk0100
    • In The Office (UK), Brent tries to tell a joke involving the royal family, a game of 20 questions, and "a black man's cock." ("Is it bigger than a bread bin?")
  • August 24, 2012
    NimmerStill
    It also implies that the larger size only applies "in bed". What about "Blacks are Bigger" or "Blacks are Better Endowed", or if the noun form "Blacks" is offensive, "Black means Bigger" or "Black means Better Endowed"?
  • August 24, 2012
    NimmerStill
    Another possible idea is to merge this into a larger "Sliding Scale of Ethnic Penis-Size Sterotypes".
  • August 24, 2012
    Amberine
    ^Or possibly something like "[Sliding Scale of] Ethnic Endowment Stereotypes", for a bit of alliterative appeal
  • August 24, 2012
    SeptimusHeap
    No sliding scales, please. And Blacks Are Bigger is not necessarily related to Black Is Bigger In Bed.
  • August 24, 2012
    NimmerStill
    To "be big" is a common euphemism for "to have a big penis", so yes, it's related to what the trope actually means. And why no sliding scales? Has there been a directive?
  • August 24, 2012
    SeptimusHeap
    Type Labels Are Not Examples. And we don't need ambiguous Double Entendres as trope names.
  • August 24, 2012
    NimmerStill
    We don't need overly specific ones either.
  • August 25, 2012
    SharleeD
    • Deconstructed in the novel Eaters Of The Dead, in which every culture apparently has this myth about one ethnic group or another. The Nordic women encountered by the Arabic narrator assume he'll be massively endowed; being well-traveled, he remarks that he's heard identical rumors in most countries, usually about a population that lives far away from whomever is spreading the rumor.
  • August 25, 2012
    surgoshan
    • Gaijin Chronicles is the blog of a black man who teaches English in a Japanese middle school. The first post recounts his dealings with his students, whose only knowledge of America comes from television, specifically their enthusiastic assumption that he has a "bigu dikku" and desire to confirm the same.
  • August 25, 2012
    Waterlily
    So is this trope about black men being well endowed or about being better lovers? Because they are not always the same thing.
  • August 25, 2012
    NimmerStill
    ^Yes, that's the problem with the title. It's supposed to just be about the size. As if the size only pops up "in bed".
  • August 25, 2012
    Waterlily
    In Liberty Heights, a teenager tells his friend that somebody saw the new black kid in the shower and he was huge. However, it's unknown if that is true or just gossip.
  • August 25, 2012
    NimmerStill
  • August 25, 2012
    SeptimusHeap
    Far too long. And less snipy, please.
  • August 25, 2012
    surgoshan
    Of course it's long. That's the point!
  • August 25, 2012
    Valhelm
    Does the article have any issues besides the title? Some examples would be great.
  • August 26, 2012
    Chabal2
    Les Innommables: a black guy is refused entry into an Asian brothel because the girls are afraid he's far too large for them.
  • August 26, 2012
    NimmerStill
    ^Something like that is mentioned in Full Metal Jacket (alreeady in Bigger Is Better In Bed) too.
  • August 26, 2012
    randomsurfer
    Harold And Kumar Go To White Castle: Harold gets locked up in jail with a philosophical black man, who is resigned to his fate.
    Harold: I don't understand how you can be so calm about all this.
    Tarik: Look at me. I'm fat, black, can't dance, and I have 2 gay fathers. People have been messin' with me my whole life. I learned a long time ago that there's no sense gettin' all riled up every time a bunch of idiots give you a hard time. In the end, the universe tends to unfold as it should. Plus, I have a really large penis. That keeps me happy.
  • August 27, 2012
    SharleeD
    Picky little detail, but the description should come right out and say "large penises", not "large genitals". Male genitals include the scrotum as well, and AFAIK nobody alleges that ethnic African men have overgrown testes.
  • August 27, 2012
    NightNymph
    Valhelm - I think my The Full Monty example above (15 comments down from the top) can be called a subversion (it is listed as that on the main page). Do I need to change it for it to be included?
  • August 28, 2012
    Valhelm
    Alright, does the article have any further issues?
  • August 28, 2012
    NightNymph
    No issues except I think my example probably belongs here somewhere. Is there a reason you don't like it? Because if so, I might refrain from adding it later as an edit also if you have a good reason.
  • August 29, 2012
    randomsurfer
    ^Ditto re Blazing Saddles.
  • August 29, 2012
    Aralar
    Inverted on FATAL: there's a magical armor that turns you into a black guy. Its very disgusting and racist effects include that "If the wearer is male, then those around him are 80% likely to believe that his manhood has increased, though it has not."
  • August 29, 2012
    NimmerStill
    ^That's not really Inverted, it's Invoked and Subverted.
  • August 29, 2012
    Jallen
    Becomes a minor plot point in Sirens where Ash is coming onto the black cop Ryan. Ryan is quite upset about this stereotype. He says that yeah; while some black guys play up this angle, it's still insulting, and turns Ash down.
  • August 29, 2012
    Valhelm
    Sorry for missing those examples! I added the Full Monty and Blazing Saddles instances, as well as the two recent entries. Any more issues?
  • August 31, 2012
    Valhelm
    I think this trope is ready to be launched, though it doesn't have many hats yet. Should it be improved further?
  • September 1, 2012
    Rognik
    @surgoshan: That study doesn't prove statistically that black men are bigger. With a tenth of an inch difference in both length and circumference, it suggests to me more that both are equal. As you say, the standard deviation isn't mentioned, and without that, there is no way to confirm just how much of a difference is needed. Studies always need to be critically examined before taken as fact. (Not that I'm claiming you did.)

    Re: the article itself. Two things: 1. The last paragraph still mentions "Big Black Cock". Since the trope name is vastly different from that now, I'd either remove that part or otherwise edit it to keep the flow. 2. TV series are listed as "Live Action TV", to distinguish them from the animated shows. That'll fix your red link there.

    • The Dating Guy sort of invokes this. One episode has the gang going into the rainforest and coming across a black tribe in South America. Sam, the girl, is to be wed to a man who has the largest penis; it's so large, it unrolls like a fire hose and the end cannot be seen. However, it never mentions if Woody, the black guy, has a large penis or not. (He does get the most action out of the guys, though.)
  • September 1, 2012
    Valhelm
    Changes made.
  • September 2, 2012
    peccantis
    Stand Up:
    • Jaakko Teppo tells a self-admittedly dirty joke about a racist guy in Tampere who has just met two black guys on Tammerkoski bridge and is telling his friend all about it:
      "And they go on to piss off the bridge, and this one nigger says, Aw shit, man, is the water cold today, and the other one says, And the bottom's muddy too, dammit!"
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