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Invisible Means Undodgeable
If something is visible, it can be dodged, but if it can't be seen, then it cannot be dodged.
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The one time lightning can't do everything.

"You cannot dodge what you cannot see!"

So, a wizard battles a knight, throwing lighting about, raining fire from the sky, shooting beams of evil, all of which, the knight deflects with his Magic Sword. The wizard then brings out a new spell: a vague invisible force that hits the knight, who is helpless to stop it.

So, the question is raised... How come the knight was so easily able to stop lightning bolts, which move far faster than anything humans can react to, but was unable to stop this?


Invisible Means Undodgeable.

Magic Swords, incredible dodging skills, barriers, shields, and the like are more than a match for any spell that can be seen. The moment that a spell becomes invisible, though, all of these things are useless. The spell will travel through any protective charm or barrier, even if all previous magic was casually guarded.

And this moves beyond just magic too. For psychic powers, or just normal invisible things, the moment something goes invisible, it will not be dodged.

Note that this trope only applies when there is a contrast between visible dodgeable attacks and abilities, and invisible undodgeable ones. If everything is undodgeable, then it doesn't count.

Sometimes overlaps with Hit Scan attacks. Also, compare with Rule of Perception, Thought-Controlled Power, as well as Always Accurate Attack.


[[folder:Anime and Manga]]
  • In Black Cat, Creed Diskenth's Imagine Blade is created by his Tao powers and the only part that is visible is the hilt. Its length is also variable, so dodging it with any degree of success means keeping track of the angle of the hilt. Train comes up with an alternative method early in the story: he sacrifices his off hand to find the blade, blasts it out of Creed's hands, then shoots him in the chest with an explosive bullet.

[[folder:Comic Books]]
  • Played with with Darkseid's Omega Beams. While they are visible, and technically dodgeable, he maintains conscious control of them after firing, which is rare for visible magic.
  • In Hellblazer issue 250, the protagonist John Constantine went face to face with a demon which easily pummels him down. When John was in a chokehold, he gave a smile, and the demon spontaneously exploded. John later tells the reader he killed the demon with a spell.
  • Averted when it comes to superheroes like Spider-Man and Daredevil who are usually pretty good at detecting and dodging invisible opponents due to their Super Senses.

[[folder: Film]]
  • The Force in Star Wars, to Muggles at least. Lightsabers and dodging skills can block all sorts of force powers, such as Force Lightning. The moment someone starts a Force Choke, though, it's over.
  • In The Sword in the Stone Merlin wins his duel against Mad Madam Mim by turning into a germ and infecting her with a cold.

  • Averted in the Dragaera novels, in which Vlad often Lampshades how he doesn't have any idea what his allies' or enemies' invisible sorcery is supposed to do, he just does his best to hide behind Spellbreaker and dodge any gestures directed towards him.
  • Harry Potter: Spells like Disarming Charm and Cruciatus Curse seem to have a lot better chance of landing their target than Stunning Spell and Killing Curse, two the most common fight spells used in the series.

[[folder: Live Action TV]]
  • Doctor Who has several examples.
    • All of the highly advanced alien races that use visible projectiles, such as the Daleks or Cybermen, are easily avoidable. However, the Time Lords have a glove that absolutely destroys things from time. And, of course, it's both invisible and undodgeable.
    • In addition, Rose Tyler, after seeing the heart of the TARDIS uses invisible undodgeable magic, as well as Sutekh.
  • In Firefly, the two unnamed agents tracking the main characters have a Sonic Device which kills everyone anywhere near them. It only produces a noise, and is never avoided by anyone it is used on.

[[folder: Tabletop RPG]]
  • Dungeons & Dragons. Attack spells such as Charm Person, Sleep and Power Word Stun are invisible and cannot be dodged or deflected with weapons.
  • In the d20 System (and all game systems based on it), attacking while invisible completely negates the target's Dexterity defense bonus. The same applies to invisible projectiles unless the target can see who's shooting and guess the trajectory.

[[folder: Video Games]]
  • While technically dodgeable, Akuma's Super in Street Fighter II mostly follows this form, having the screen go black, and the damaging the player hit by the move.
  • Psynergy in Golden Sun, to at least the people in universe who can't see Psynergy.
  • Inverted in one Touhou boss fight. Reisen Udongein Inaba can make her bullets invisible, but they can't actually hit you while invisible. But of course you still need to be careful since they still move and may reappear on top of you.
  • Godzilla: Save the Earth zigzags this, with Space Godzilla. Some of his moves, such as his grab, play it straight, being invisible and undodgeable, while other invisible attacks are quite blockable and some visible attacks go through all guards.
  • A variant in Mega Man X: Command Mission: One of the Standard Status Effects is Blind. Apparently, aside from lowering the affected foe's accuracy, this status effect will also lower their evasion rate ("you can't dodge what you can't see").
  • Played with in the Final Boss in Double Dragon 3 has one attack that is an invisible energy wave -- you can't dodge it, but you can block it if your timing is good.
  • Frank West in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 has his "Snapshot" attack in which he takes a shot with his camera. This move has no shown form, but it can hit the opponent anywhere (even while grounded), though it does small damage and can be blocked.

[[folder: Western Animation]]
  • Bloodbending in Avatar: The Last Airbender as well as its Sequel Series, The Legend of Korra, has only ever once been stopped, but never dodged.
  • The Magic from My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic is full of this, having clearly dodgeable projectiles, as well as unstoppable telekinesis-styled magic.
  • Him's Magic from The Powerpuff Girls is full of this. The girls go toe to toe with him whenever he uses projectiles and beams. However, the moment he changes to his invisible Thought-Controlled Power, they're helpless.
  • Batmite from Batman: The Brave and the Bold, in the episode Emporer Joker. Batmite can alter reality to his very whim. However, when trying to power up Batman to battle the Joker, he shoots out an energy beam, which misses, and powers up the Joker instead. This'd never of happened if Batmite used invisible magic.

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