Created By: fulltimeD on March 27, 2012 Last Edited By: Arivne on June 5, 2013
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Tropes Are Not College Essays

TV Tropes is not your personal academic soapbox; We catalog and celebrate tropes in fiction.

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A Predefined Message:

The difference between real life and fiction isn't always so neat and clean. Sometimes, fiction parallels real life. Other times, real life parallels fiction. It can be tempting to use a site like this, whose purpose is to catalog and celebrate the tropes that are used in fiction, to make a point about Life, the Universe, and Everything.

Please try not to.

Where certain tropes are associated with real life consequences, such as Unfortunate Implications, TVTropes makes note of the phenomenon. But that is not the place for essays about the history of stereotyping or its portrayal in the media. In some cases it's appropriate to post links to these things, but generally you should not be linking to or using TVTropes to publish your own work, just like you wouldn't make Works pages for your own fan fiction.

Generally speaking, we try to avoid Real Life examples, especially when a trope is being proposed on YKTTW. We ask that you please do your best to provide at least three examples from fiction. These examples should have some explanation accompanying them so that any reader, particularly one not familiar with the work the example is from, can understand how the example is relevant in the context of the trope: No Zero Context Examples.

A YKTTW should focus on the trope itself and how it is used in fiction; the article should not promote a particular ideology, theory, or make value judgments about society, politics, religion, culture, economics, etc. Literary Agent Hypothesis, for example, describes the Literary Agent Hypothesis. But it's not intended as an argument for or against that hypothesis being applied to fiction in general or a particular work of fiction; it's just a description, and a list of examples. And that is what a good YKTTW is: you should spend some time on your YKTTW, so that other people here have quality to work with as we collectively refine that YKTTW. This section of the site is like a workshop; but it's not a writer's workshop. We're not here to read fan fiction... or fan essays.

Finally, we're not a memetic cultural encyclopedia. We're a wiki of Tropes from Entertainment Media. Please respect the difference.

Thank you.
Community Feedback Replies: 25
  • March 27, 2012
    Mauri
    While some edits to tropes themselves are OK (which I encourage, hell I am still needed to trash the sandbox to get some linking and editing right), the idea of doing the "editors here" is a bit of a hook to many College/University students whom think of "free editing my junk" not getting the point on the site itself (Composition Workshops are useful and in the case you need more there are a few books including "Mechanically Inclined" and some specific to writing techniques). Still I guess I should take a look at the mirror in this issue...
  • March 27, 2012
    fulltimeD
    I didn't mean to accuse anyone specifically, it's more part of a general trend I've been witnessing where it seems like more and more people just aren't familiarizing themselves with YKTTW etiquette, or even TV Tropes etiquette and purpose. But this is probably something that should make all of us take a look in the mirror
  • March 27, 2012
    fulltimeD
    Maybe instead of this we should have sections of the site with examples and explanations of a "good" first YKTTW and a "bad form" YKTTW. Either made up examples or anonymous real examples, accompanied by a little explanation.
  • March 27, 2012
    WackyMeetsPractical
    We do have Analysis pages for those who do enjoy essays, though it's not widely used.
  • March 27, 2012
    fulltimeD
    Then we should direct people there. But this isn't only about the essay problem.
  • March 27, 2012
    Mauri
    You mean poorly redacted YKTTW materials and you need examples for each problem I guess I've made quite a few when trying to make the [missingsupertrope] clause to work.
  • March 28, 2012
    fulltimeD
    Most common problems being:

    • Lack of Examples
    • Zero Context Examples
    • Too many Real Life Examples
    • Example As Thesis
    • Not enough work put into the YKTTW (the description is barely longer than the laconic, for example)
    • Using the trope as an excuse to comment on real life politics, religion, etc (for example by adding real life examples to a thread or article where real life examples would be obvious flame bait; or taking the trope entirely out of the context of fiction)
  • March 28, 2012
    Catbert
    I'm not quite sure what you are trying to do with this. We already have pages about trying to be neutral about things, and we do accept essays in the form of Anaylsis and Useful Notes pages.
  • March 28, 2012
    animeg3282
    He probably is reacting to some extremely odd YKTTW we have seen in the past few days, although most of them aren't so bad about being academic, but not being able to show instances of that trope in fiction or describe it clearly.
  • March 28, 2012
    WackyMeetsPractical
    ^^^ Add to that a pet peeve of mine I've noticed several times, creating Too Rare To Trope tropes, that are obviously reactions to some cool thing the troper saw in a show recently, used primarily to gush about the really cool thing they saw in a show recently.
  • March 28, 2012
    troacctid
    We actually do want this sort of thing. We like it when tropes have good Analysis. That's why we have the whole Analysis section.
  • March 28, 2012
    fulltimeD
    ^^ That is a pet peeve of mine as well. It used to be relatively uncommon but lately it seems like new folks are drowning YKTTW in Too Rare To Trope trash.

    ^Then people need to USE the analysis section instead of trying to make the Main Article into the problem I am describing. Maybe this should be "YKTTW Does Not Accept Your College Essays."
  • March 28, 2012
    WackyMeetsPractical
    ^^ The Analysis name space was created specifically to avoid Wall Of Text descriptions in trope and work pages, most of which were analysis and preaching and such. The fact that the Analysis namespace exists indicates that as a whole, tropers don't want that kind of stuff cluttering the main pages.
  • March 28, 2012
    fulltimeD
    ^ That being my point. The Analysis namespace is also pretty new; one of several reforms on this site that some older tropers (like myself) consider to be a concession or accommodation to newbies.
  • March 29, 2012
    Arivne
  • April 23, 2013
    Noah1
  • April 24, 2013
    Arivne
    Changed the working title to my suggestion above.
  • April 24, 2013
    TheHandle
    The article sounds like an overreaction; it doesn't make it clear what it's reacting against, and the guidelines it sets seem to suggest that amazingly interesting and useful articles such as those related to Double Standard or Logic Failure, or the See The Index articles, have no right to be here, or should be drastically whittled down. Which doesn't seem fair.

    Perhaps, instead of reaching far into abstraction and generalities, this message should instead show concrete examples of what it doesn't want to do. Then we can discuss whether such things are actually undesirable.
  • April 24, 2013
    XFllo
    ^ I agree. It seems too complain-y. I haven't noticed the misuse the OP describes myself. Could anyone direct me to samples? I think it would be more effective to PM the tropers who start improper drafts, or yet better address the issue in the discussion. YKTTW discussions are fairly active and people pay attention to counterpoints and objections. It might be worse for already launched tropes though.
  • April 24, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    I have also concerns about a proliferation of policy pages that are unnecessary.
  • April 24, 2013
    StarSword
    I'm sorry, is this an actual problem? If not, I move to discard.
  • April 24, 2013
    Prfnoff
    I don't think it's a common enough problem, though there have been cases of it, like the overly long rant someone once added to the description of Space Jews.
  • April 24, 2013
    StarSword
    ^That's fixable by a revert or description trim. We have a dedicated thread for that.
  • June 5, 2013
    XFllo
    Can regular tropers discard a YKTTW, or is it a mod action? This one seems doomed... ;-)
  • June 5, 2013
    StarSword
    It's definitely doable by regulars. Zap.

Three days must pass before this YKTTW is Launchworthy or Discardable

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=fzd26sbr1lmp03hptgrkv1ys&trope=DiscardedYKTTW