Created By: KageNara on September 4, 2012 Last Edited By: KageNara on September 5, 2012

Contrary Trope Genesis

The inverted version of a undiscovered trope is the first time the Trope is recognized as a Trope.

Name Space:
Main
Page Type:
Trope
Prior Trope Name: Trope Identifying Aversion (It should have been Inversion, heh..pain pills...what are you gonna do?! Oh they are prescription, Got wisdom teeth pulled)

YKTTW Rough Draft Notes

v Nothing above this line is a description of the YKTTW trope and will be deleted if a Trope launch is definite.

When a work uses the inverted version of an as-of-yet undiscovered trope, causing the trope the work inverted to be recognized as a trope for the first time.

If the work had not used the Inverted version of said Trope, who knows how long, if ever, it would have remained unnoticed.


A basic example would be a character in a movie is shot and deals with the pain of the injury with ease.

Later on, the viewer is watching a different unrelated movie when he/she sees a man screaming in agony over a single gun shot wound that in the movie you saw previously was passed off as nothing.

The viewer realizes how uncommon it is for people to react drastically to pain (and not die ), this, in turn, leads to him/her remembering how many times he/she has seen the nonchalant attitude to wounds that should be causing MUCH more pain than they seem to be.

Thus the uncommon inverted example sheds light on how common it's more often-used opposite is, thus exposing the true Trope.


Community Feedback Replies: 17
  • September 4, 2012
    bulmabriefs144
    In Deltora Quest anime, the villain (I won't give it away) helps Lief up from hanging by the fingers. This helps draw attention to the fact that villains usually stomp the fingers, or at least do nothing to help, and by doing so calls attention to "isn't this a trope?" (Yes it is, it's Hanging By The Fingers)

    Rework the description. Too many examples and paragraphs.
  • September 4, 2012
    zarpaulus
    How is this different from Subverted Trope?
  • September 4, 2012
    bulmabriefs144
    It's different, trust me.

    A subverted trope is just that, subverted. Unless you realize the trope, you might miss the entire thing.

    This on the other hand, is done to such an extent the watcher actually notices the trope. That is, it's not simply done differently, as in a subversion but called attention to, in the fact that it's different (as in, "wait but I was expecting..." and then you notice why you were expecting something else).

    A subversion that calls attention to the trope itself. Ideally, a subversion should do this, but it doesn't always succeed.
  • September 4, 2012
    Tiiba
    Istn't that how averted tropes always work? Otherwise you'd say the trope wasn't used at all.
  • September 4, 2012
    SonicLover
    Would this xkcd strip be considered a T.I.A. of Convection Schmonvection?
  • September 4, 2012
    KageNara
    Tiiba,

    No, this is not about tropes being averted.

    It is about an averted version of a trope giving it birth and recognition.

    It's similar to Trope Namers and the Trope Codifier in it is about the event that made gave the trope recognition.

  • September 4, 2012
    KageNara
    This trope is not Averted Tropes, this is when a trope is discovered because of its aversion rather than the trope itself.

    This trope is when the Trope Makers or the Trope Codifier is ironically, an Averted example of the trope, rather than a true example of the trope itself.
  • September 4, 2012
    randomsurfer
  • September 4, 2012
    KageNara
    Eh, similar but Unbuilt Trope is a Trope created via a Deconstruction Trope . Whereas T.I.A. is a Trope created via an Averted Trope.

    So they are similar in the thing that created them being something other than the trope itself, but the thing that created them is a bit different.
  • September 4, 2012
    Nazetrime
    Unbuilt Trope is when the Trope Maker is also a deconstruction of said trope. The idea here is related however, as the trope is made by being played in another way than straight. I can't think of any examples, but I'm wondering if a trope may acutally be made by an aversion.

    I wonder if this would be better description for the idea: the work averting the trope makes it being recognized retroactively in previous works.
  • September 4, 2012
    KageNara
    I like that description, putting it in Laconic.

    Also I have another YKTTW that if approved would be an example of this Trope.
  • September 4, 2012
    Nazetrime
    Wow, thought I was shooting in the air at the time. With that definition, it may however keep the work averting the trope from being the Trope Maker or the Trope Codifier, that tends to be works acutally using the trope (especially from the second).

    Can't think of one right now but you may want to change the title becauce the current one sound kind of like "aversion to identify a trope". Maybe something along the lines of "unnoticed until it's averted".

    By the way, if you can't work it out for works, you could turn it into an Audience Reactions or subjective trope.

  • September 4, 2012
    TompaDompa
    If I understand this correctly, we are looking for a catchier version of The Trope Wasnt Recognized As Such Until An Aversion Came Along as a trope name, right?

    Because Contrary Trope Genesis sounds more like The Trope Maker Was An Inversion.

  • September 4, 2012
    KageNara
    I have to change some things.
  • September 4, 2012
    KageNara
    Thank you Tompa, I was using Aversion we I clearly meant inversion. (or if I had used the correct word it would have been clear, but alas ignorance.)

    Well, I really did just show my ignorance, didn't I?

    Well I can only hope me actually using the correct word now for the example will make things clearer to those that were probably looking at my page and thinking "What the H" Wait a minute I probably should not finish that sentence.
  • September 4, 2012
    TompaDompa
    I think maybe this should cover both inversions and aversions.

    The Automatic Translator Mutes The Original Language wouldn't be noticed until an aversion comes along.

    The Automatic Translator Alters The Lip Movements would work similarly.

    However, The Shrapnel Is More Dangerous Than The Concussive Force will be noticed after an inversion.

    The same thing can be said for The Fireball Is More Dangerous Than The Concussive Force.
  • September 5, 2012
    Nazetrime
    Inversion makes more sense if it's meant to be the trope maker or codifier. The difficulty may be to find tropes for which it happened. The Oldest Ones In The Book may be a place to start.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=ehbuz6b4zwam51pvbpclq47x