Created By: Rolf on March 7, 2011 Last Edited By: Rolf on March 15, 2011
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Tagon:I see you've just been exposed to Ennesby's weapons-grade vocabulary.
Jevee Ceeta:My stomach is in my throat right now. It's trying to spit acid on the parts of my brain that remember reading his message.

There's talking, insults, fighting words... and then there's weapons-grade vocabulary.

There's a saying that sticks and stones hurts but words don't, but with this weapons-grade vocabulary, this person can actually physically hurt people. Does not apply if its done by magic or sheer loudness. Don't have to be spoken, because it can be read as trope naming example shows. Could apply if its hurtful knowledge, like long held secret, as long as person is physically hurt by mere spoken or written words.

If the damage is by magic, its Words Can Break My Bones. If its convicting other character or monster to hurt/kill themselves it's Talking the Monster to Death. Compare with Brown Note which is merely sound or image. If it's visual metaphor for the words hurting people (usually psychologically), then it's closer to Harsh Word Impact.

Examples:

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[[folder:Anime and Manga]]
  • Dr. Slump - Arale's boisterously loud "HOWDYA DO!" comes out as solid words and is capable of knocking people off their feet.
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[[folder:Comics]]
  • There was an issue of The Authority where Apollo and Midnighter were trying to stop the deaths caused by a killer word: anyone who heard it would kill themselves, but not before whispering the word to someone else, repeating the process.
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[[folder:Literature]]
Goddam looked mournful. "I know how it is," he said. "I was in the war. Pinned down in a deadly hail of Jap fire..."
Spam gagged, and his arm went limp.
  • The Hitchhikers Guidetothe Galaxy has Vogon poetry, which makes the listeners seriously ill or worse. It is advised to take some other option than that.
    • Another example is this is this = they gave a truth serum to someone and, in court, told them to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Everyone in the courtroom died and a special SWAT team had to deal with the problem.
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[[folder:Tabletop Games]]
  • The Munchkin card game card "cutting remark"
  • The unusual example of hurting yourself by speaking: The supplement Book of Vile Darkness also contains "dark speech" - a language so vile, it is impossible to actually communicate with it; with proper preparation you can tie it into magical effects but trying to just straight utter the words would make your mouth bleed.
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[[folder:Video Games]]
  • There is a Megaphone weapon in Parodius where the attack is words coming out of your spaceship.
  • There's several sound-based attacks in the Pokémon series, varying in type between Makes Me Wanna Shout, Brown Note and this. **An example of this type is 'Snarl', a dark-type attack that seemingly involves the pokémon ranting and shouting at the target for a while, inflicting damage and lowering their attack-power.
  • Also, in Phoenix Wright, particularly clever counterpoints apparently have the ability to hit opposing attorneys like a gale-force wind, throwing them back, making them flinch and, in one particularely Crowning Moment of Awesome case, tearing all the hair off a person's head, leaving him mostly bald.
  • Mediators in Final Fantasy Tactics usually talk the monster to death or manipulate their stats with speech skills, but they can also equip dictionaries which they read from; reading from them (somehow) hurts enemies.
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[[folder:Webcomics]]
  • This Schlock Mercenary webcomic named this trope.
  • The What's New with Phil and Dixie strip in Dragon magazine #72 (April 1983) was about jesters. The middle of this page has a jester killing a monster with bad puns. The next panel shows the danger of unintended side effects.
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Community Feedback Replies: 52
  • March 7, 2011
    Mozgwsloiku
    I don't quite get it... would the second version be Brown Note ?

  • March 7, 2011
    randomsurfer
    The Deplorable Word in The Magicians Nephew, used to destroy the world of Charn before the book begins.
  • March 7, 2011
    Rolf
    Interesting but no, Mozg. This is simply using words to harm or even kill people. Not by loudness or anything magic.

    Unfortunately your example is magic, randomsurfer.

    • edit* Now than I carefully re-read that trope, it seems to be close to this.. but this concerns just using words. Not just sounds or images.
  • March 7, 2011
    fs1034
    Can you clarify how the words hurt people? If it isn't by magic, or through sheer loudness, how do the words actually hurt people? Is it like someone says something that makes someone want to commit suicide, or something else? I'm not really getting it.
  • March 7, 2011
    Rolf
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordsCanBreakMyBones seems to be another variant of this... uses magic though

    Did you see the webcomic example? :) Thats how.

    Hmm I wonder if huge emotional damage should be included? Only if really major...
  • March 8, 2011
    Bisected8
  • March 8, 2011
    Mozgwsloiku
    The Munchkin card game card "cutting remark"
  • March 8, 2011
    arromdee
    There is a Megaphone weapon in Parodius where the attack is words coming out of your spaceship. I have not been able to find a good image though...
  • March 8, 2011
    Rolf
    Hannibal seems to be all exposing sad state of capator. other one is trying to move another charactor to kill themselves. This is bit different. added it into details though.

    Added tabletop games example. let me know if I'm wrong.

    Parodius example, was it literally just words hurting other ships? weird. Added to Video Games.
  • March 8, 2011
    RodrigoVega
    Please could you explain how the words hurt people? "look at the examples" is not an explanation, it's a type of Just A Face And A Caption. All YKTTW should have a clear explanation of how the trope is played.
  • March 9, 2011
    Rolf
    Basically, its simply talking that causes harm to other person. For example getting another person to be angry enough to have a heart attack or massive grief that heart stops, etc. In the Schlock example, the curses was so strong (weapons grade!) that Jevee was seriously hurt and physically affected by it.

    If you could write a better explaination, I'd love it. :) I am not really good on writing.
  • March 9, 2011
    DarkSasami
    Does insult swordfighting from the Monkey Island games count?
  • March 9, 2011
    Rolf
    Good question. I researched a bit, they seem to use actual swords. Do insults by themselves also harm player or enemy?

    According to this wiki: In a regular fight one pirate presents an insult to which the opponent must present the appropriate counter insult. If a pirate can't produce the correct counter-insult he loses a round. After losing three rounds he will lose the match. If the opponent responds with the correct counter-insult, he wins the round and is allowed to present his own insult.

    I don't know if that counts.
  • March 9, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
  • March 9, 2011
    Rolf
    Interesting. This is just regular words. harash word impact turns words into objects that hurt people.
  • March 9, 2011
    randomsurfer

  • March 9, 2011
    Rolf
    Nobody seems to hsve gotten hurt at all in that video?

    Dunno maybe this trope is simply TOO specific.
  • March 9, 2011
    shamgar001
    The Hitchhikers Guidetothe Galaxy has Vogon poetry, which makes the listeners Monty Pythonandthe Holy Grail: "Ni!" And possibly the "World's Funniest Joke" sketch from the Flying Circus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gpjk_MaCGM
  • March 10, 2011
    Arivne
    Literature
    Goddam looked mournful. "I know how it is," he said. "I was in the war. Pinned down in a deadly hail of Jap fire..."
    Spam gagged, and his arm went limp.
  • March 10, 2011
    TooBah
    This seems to have some overlap with You Fight Like A Cow... ?
  • March 10, 2011
    INUH
    Is there any use of this trope that doesn't overlap with an existing trope?
  • March 10, 2011
    Rolf
    INUH yeah not surpising as language is highly explorered in here.

    New examples added, but does "Ni!" example apply? was people hurt?
  • March 10, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    Actually Harsh Word Impact is a visual metaphor for the words hurting people (usually psychologically), even in the story usually the words aren't considered to ACTUALLY turn into something that physically hits the person, unless it's an especially literal Widget Series.
  • March 10, 2011
    Rolf
    SO basically that trope is subtrope of this one. Thanks for clearing it up. :)
  • March 10, 2011
    RodrigoVega
    So the damage is usually done as side effect of severe psychologically damage?
  • March 10, 2011
    Rolf
    Yeah up to point where it's real damage or fatal. (See joke example)

    If it merely gets other person very angry, it doesn't count. If its to point that angry person has a burst vein or heart attack it does, for example.
  • March 11, 2011
    Arivne
    Webcomics
    • The What's New with Phil and Dixie strip in Dragon magazine #72 (April 1983) was about jesters. The middle of this page has a jester killing a monster with bad puns. The next panel shows the danger of unintended side effects.
  • March 11, 2011
    Rolf
    Added
  • March 11, 2011
    Rolf
    Removed the Ni! example. Its closer to Brown Note than this trope.
  • March 12, 2011
    foxley
    In the Doctor Who episode "The Shakespeare Code" the Carrionites produce their magic through an ancient science based on the power of words. Naming a Carrionite as such will cause it to vanish.
  • March 12, 2011
    Rolf
    That ones a mix. Doctor certainly isnt magic, but http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordsCanBreakMyBones ?
  • March 12, 2011
    Rolf
    This one really needs index :( Anyone got an idea where to place. It's nearly ready to be launched otherwise.
  • March 13, 2011
    TBTabby
    There was an issue of The Authority where Apollo and Midnighter were trying to stop the deaths caused by a killer word: anyone who heard it would kill themselves, but not before whispering the word to someone else, repeating the process.
  • March 13, 2011
    Deboss
    Use the Image Uploader in the tools menu. You will be restricted to a certain image width, and I don't think that would make a good image myself.
  • March 13, 2011
    Rolf
    I could chop image to only last frame. But then what would be a better image?

    Wow thats nasty example there (killer word)
  • March 13, 2011
    BlackDragon
    There's several sound-based attacks in the Pokemon series, varying in type between Make Me Wanna Shout, Brown Note and this. An example of this type is 'Snarl', a dark-type attack that seemingly involves the pokemon ranting and shouting at the target for a while, inflicting damage and lowering their attack-power.

    Also, in Phoenix Wright, particularly clever counterpoints apparently have the ability to hit opposing attorneys like a gale-force wind, throwing them back, making them flinch and, in one particularely Crowning Moment Of Awesome case, tearing all the hair off a person's head, leaving him mostly bald.
  • March 13, 2011
    Mozgwsloiku
    One D&D devil has a power "belittle" - he can fling insults at his target and the magic will always let it find just the words that will hit the spot, inducing a minor Heroic BSOD in the target.
  • March 13, 2011
    Speedball
    Mediators in Final Fantasy Tactics usually talk the monster to death or manipulate their stats with speech skills, but they can also equip dictionaries which they read from; reading from them (somehow) hurts enemies.
  • March 13, 2011
    Rolf
    @Mozgwloiku what folder should that example is or where is it from?
  • March 13, 2011
    Rolf
    Found a good index to put in. Any pictures? Hmm I might use http://www.airshipentertainment.com/growfcomic.php?date=20071014 from where monster is yellow to gray. those 3 frames should be enough.
  • March 14, 2011
    dotchan
    • Dr Slump - Arale's boisterously loud "HOWDYA DO!" comes out as solid words and is capable of knocking people off their feet.
  • March 14, 2011
    fs1034
    This could possibly count:
    • in Scott Pilgrim, the band "Crash and the Boys" can sing a song that knocks the audience out.
    It's singing, but that's still words..
  • March 14, 2011
    Rolf
    Dr slump is a mix but close enough. the scott pilgrim example rests solidly in this trope.

    I will launch this trope soon if no protests.
  • March 14, 2011
    Mozgwsloiku
    Rolf: D&D as in Dungeons And Dragons - Goes under Tabletop Games i suppose. The supplement Book of Vile Darkness also contains "dark speech" - a language so vile, it is impossible to actually communicate with it; with proper preparation you can tie it into magical effects but trying to just straight utter the words would make your mouth bleed.
  • March 14, 2011
    Rolf
    Wow thats a weird example. Words that hurts the person speaking it. Adding.
  • March 14, 2011
    Rolf
    Feedbacks on picture please. :)

  • March 14, 2011
    Kaerou
    David Eddings "Belgariad" and "Malloreon" series of books has the character 'Beldin' a sorcerer whose language is supposed to be so foul he can cause nearly anyone to flee his presence.
  • March 14, 2011
    Rolf
    Dunno fleeing is not being hurt
  • March 14, 2011
    Fanra
    The Hitchhikers Guidetothe Galaxy has Vogon poetry, which makes the listeners seriously ill or worse. It is advised to take some other option than that.

    The Hitchhikers Guide has many examples, including once where they gave a truth serum to someone and, in court, told them to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Everyone in the courtroom died and a special SWAT team had to deal with the problem.
  • March 14, 2011
    Rolf
    Added, although it could use more details. Like names.
  • March 15, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    In the Scott Pilgrim example, it wasn't so much the words of the song that knocked anyone out, but that the music was so loud and epic. The words really had nothing to do with it.
  • March 15, 2011
    Rolf
    If thats the case its closer to brown note. I can remove it.
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