Created By: JustinCognito on February 19, 2008
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Nazi Mysticism

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Nazis are bad. The occult can be messy. Put the two together, and you have a threat for the ages.

This is a trope with no end of Truth in Television to it. Even ignoring the embellishments, you've got the Thule Society, the adoption of the swastika (a mystical symbol of Eastern religions) as Nazi party standard, and Hitler's pursuit of the Spear of Destiny.

Examples:
  • Indiana Jones. Period.
  • Hellboy was summoned by a Nazi ritual, but quickly brought into American hands.
  • Return to Castle Wolfenstein has you breaking up a plot to resurrect an ancient Germanic warlord as an unstoppable superweapon for the Reich.
  • The graphic novel The Life Eaters posits an Alternate History where the death camps were part of a massive necromantic ritual to bring the Norse gods into existence on the side of the Nazis.

I'd also be up for broadening this trope to include any depictions of Nazi superscience and unconventional warfare. Maybe we could call it Stupid Jetpack Hitler?
Community Feedback Replies: 29
  • February 19, 2008
    JRandomUser
    A supplement for the Buffy The Vampire Slayer RPG suggests a pulp setting in which the Slayer takes on vampiric mobsters and Nazi occultists.
  • February 19, 2008
    Semi-know Troper
    Mentioned under Those Wacky Nazis
  • February 19, 2008
    Micah
    • The Atrocity Archives by Charles Stross has alternate-universe Nazis who summoned a really nasty Lovecraftian-ish Old One to help them win the war, who ends up causing the heat-death of their universe sometime around the present.
    • Illuminatus! has a Nazi conspiracy mixed in with all the other random stuff that's going on. Someone who's read it more recently than I should elaborate.
  • February 19, 2008
    JustinCognito
    The World Of Darkness actually went out of the way to avert this after a few unfortunate slip-ups in first edition. If any of the world-controlling supernatural interests had a hand in the Nazi Party and the Holocaust, it was on the periphery. Hitler wasn't a mage. Goebbels wasn't a vampire. Himmler wasn't a werewolf. The creators openly stated that they felt it would devalue the Holocaust by having it be the work of supernatural interests.
  • February 19, 2008
    Haphazard
    Wouldn't Hellsing count? I mean, come on. Vampire zombie soldiers.
  • February 19, 2008
    foxley
    In The DCU, Hitler's possession of the Spear of Destiny (the spear that pierced Christ's side) prevented superheroes from just overwhelming Nazi Germany because if they entered Axis controlled territory they fell under Hitler's control.
  • February 19, 2008
    CountSpatula
    The Full Metal Alchemist movie had the Thule Society as the villains.
  • February 19, 2008
    {{Meta4}}
    Irregular Webcomic. Not only does it have occult-artifact-hunting Nazis as part of its Indiana Jones pastiche, it has Hilter -- apparently killed sometime before the start of the comic -- surviving as a brain in a jar. "Nazi science sneers at the boundary between life and death!"
  • February 19, 2008
    SteveMB
    David Brin's story "Thor Meets Captain America" also uses the idea that the Nazi death camps were a mass necromantic project to invoke the Norse gods. It worked.
  • February 19, 2008
    JustinCognito
    Steve MB: Actually, I think Brin wrote The Life Eaters. It's probably an adaptation.
  • February 19, 2008
    Prfnoff
    As discussed here in the very distant past, Those Wacky Nazis needs splitting.
  • February 19, 2008
    Narvi
    Somebody find that Hellboy movie quote about Hitler being killed in 1948.

    "Hitler commited suicide in 1945..."

    "Is that what they told you?"
  • February 20, 2008
    JustinCognito
    Bumping.
  • February 20, 2008
    arromdee
    GURPS Weird War II generally did the trope, but for the Holocaust did avert it, trying to explain why Nazi mass murder wouldn't make a good supernatural ritual.
  • February 20, 2008
    UnknownTroper
    From http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0167190/quotes:

    Professor Trevor 'Broom' Bruttenholm: 1937: Hitler joins the Thule Society, a group of German aristocrats obsessed with the occult. In 1938, he acquired the spear of Longinus, which pierced the side of Christ. He who holds it becomes invincible. Hitler's power increases tenfold. 1943: President Roosevelt decides to fight back. The Bureau of Paranormal Research and Defense is born. 1958: the Occult Wars finally come to an end with the death of Adolf Hitler.

    John Myers: 1945, you mean. Hitler died in '45.

    Professor Trevor 'Broom' Bruttenholm: [amused] Did he now?
  • February 20, 2008
    dkellis
    The neo-Nazi (dating from World War II, though) 5th Column enemy group in City Of Heroes had (genetically-engineered) werewolves and vampires, aptly named Warwolves and Vampyrs. The head of Vampyr research is even named Nosferatu.

    Of course, they then got taken over by space aliens, so maybe they don't count.
  • February 20, 2008
    JustinCognito
    I'd say the original incarnation works.

    So, do we want to expand this trope to include weird superscience, or just stick with the occult for now?
  • February 20, 2008
    {{Meta4}}
    I'd say lump weird superscience, too.
  • February 21, 2008
    JustinCognito
    All right, then. What does everyone think of Stupid Jetpack Hitler as a trope title?
  • February 21, 2008
    UnknownTroper
    I think it need more mysticism. Stupid Demonic Jetpack Hitler?

    I assume that we're going to use the conversation from the Hellboy movie as the article quote?
  • February 21, 2008
    arromdee
    How about just Demonic Jetpack Hitler?
  • February 21, 2008
    FalconPain
    This is bizarre. So many trope name suggestions revolving around Hitler and jetpacks, and no one has even mentioned The Rocketeer (or Rocket Ranger) as an example.
  • February 21, 2008
    Noaqiyeum
    This needs one of the many Irregular Webcomic quotes to go with it. "Nazi Science sneers at the boundary between life and death!" is the originator, but there's also the exchange (shortly after Hitler is resurrected when the Mythbusters and Death test the myth that Nazi Science was capable of keeping a brain alive in a jar - don't ask)

    "I sneer at you!" "YOU DON'T HAVE A FACE." "Oh. Well... Nazi Science sneers at you!"
  • February 21, 2008
    JustinCognito
    I'm borrowing the Stupid Jetpack Hitler thing from an issue of The All-New Atom. The Atom ends up in "the afterlife" (really an illusion) where the forces of good and evil battle one another daily. Hitler has a jetpack. The Atom actually says, "Stupid jetpack Hitler!"

    Or we could just build on Those Wacky Nazis and make Those Weird Nazis.
  • February 21, 2008
    FalconPain
    I like Stupid Jetpack Hitler, especially if it invokes I Want My Jetpack mentality. I just wondered why a halfway-famous literal example hadn't been linked to this yet.

    (Actually, I don't know if the Nazis had anything special in The Rocketeer. Rocket Ranger at least had Green Rock-bearing aliens helping Hitler and them.
  • February 21, 2008
    JustinCognito
    Bump. So, we're good with Stupid Jetpack Hitler? Thing is, I don't think we have many solid super-science examples yet...
  • February 21, 2008
    Yuri2356
    Hitler's suit of Power Armour from Wolfenstein 3 D? And on a similar note, the zombies they (Mengele?) created.
  • February 21, 2008
    foxley
    Stupid Jetpack Hitler allows riffs on Stupid Sexy Flanders, which is good.
  • February 22, 2008
    JustinCognito
    All right, then. Stupid Jetpack Hitler it is. I'll launch the page later.
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