Created By: redshirt26 on October 13, 2012

Heroic Anger Threshold

The Hero is so pissed off, that he stops fighting like the Hero and stops holding back.

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First YKTTW entry so please be nice.

The Villain has done it. He pushed the wrong button. He revealed the wrong secret. He threatened the family member one time too many. Now the Hero is very angry. Good, its always nice to tease the...wait a minute? Did the Hero just rip that Mook's throat out?!

Power Limiter? Removed. Superpowered Evil Side? Engaged. Thou Shalt Not Kill? Recended.

Congratulations, Villain! You just pissed of the Hero. You're so dead.

Examples (SPOILERS): Superman in Superman vs. The Elite when he fights the Anti-Heroes by fighting exactly like they do. Miss Martian in Young Justice when Psymon threatened to reveal her secret of being a White Martian to her friends. Batman in the Hush storyline when he is this close from killing Joker when he killed his friend. Sisko in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine when he destroys a planet's ecosystem to catch a traitor. The main character in Shooter when he kills the bad guys when they couldn't be charged for framing him for attempting to kill the president and for kidnapping (and possibly raping) his dead partner's widow.

Possibly belongs in Super Trope "You Wouldn't Like Me When I'm Angry"

Differs from Unstopable Rage because while the Hero is obviously angry, he is still bound by being a hero. He may be angry hero, but he is still a hero. He may stop holding back, but in the end he won't kill the villain.

Differs from Berserk Button because that is just one action that causes an severe angry outburst. This trope is when a hero is so pissed off that he stops fighting like the Hero.

Differs from Beware the Nice Ones because some heroes are not nice (see Batman, Wolverine, et. al.).
Community Feedback Replies: 13
  • October 13, 2012
    This might often lead to What The Hell Hero moments. That trope covers when other characters call out the hero for going too far, whereas I'm guessing the trope you're proposing would be when the hero does "go too far" (from the virtues we expect of him) due to some provocation, whether called on it by other characters or not. If no character calls him out for it, it might be a viewer judgment call (YMMV) more often than not.
  • October 13, 2012
    One example off the top of my head:

    Live-Action TV

    Babylon 5--When Sheridan discovers there was a survivor from the Icarus which supposedly was destroyed at Z'ha'dum (how his wife Anna supposedly died), and that this survivor (Mr. Morden) was on the station, he detained him for several hours without charges, and threatened to detain him indefinitely (by using the legal loophole that Morden was "officially" dead), until he got answers (episode "In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum"). He was clearly and very visibly angry, as this brought back the real despair he felt at his wife's supposed death--and now there's a chance this man knew what really happened to her, and may have even had a hand in it. And so his rage was very apparent, and Morden was going to feel the brunt of it. He got a big What The Hell Hero from his security chief Garibaldi, who threatened resignation over this unlawful detention and said he couldn't serve as Security Chief while that was going on.
  • October 14, 2012
    Subtrope of OOC Is Serious Business

    Do Batman Grabs A Gun or Lets Get Dangerous cover this already? If not, how do they relate?
  • October 14, 2012
    I can't speak for the troper proposing this, but Batman Grabs A Gun seems to imply that the "over the threshold" action is necessary for good (and the hero) to win out. The trope proposed would probably also cover incidents where the hero goes too far or crosses a personal moral line, and not for the "greater good"--perhaps to show that the hero isn't perfect, can have a dark side, can succumb to the same temptations we flawed ordinary folk can, and indeed that he may not be that different from the villain. The example I gave above showed a dark side to Sheridan, provoked out of extreme personal frustration in not knowing what happened to his wife. He succumbed to a temptation to try to coerce answers out of his prisoner unlawfully--and he failed to get those answers that way.

    Babylon 5 (a show I'm very fond of, as my handle would suggest) actually did this a lot, to show that everyone had flaws, which could have very serious and destructive consequences if they let them--and no hero was immune to this. Not even the boy scout Lennier....
  • October 14, 2012
    What about Rage Breaking Point?
  • October 14, 2012
    Rage Breaking Point seems to be about a character actively repressing his anger (or taking a lot of crap stoically) for a long time, then one day just snapping. Not sure that unhealthy suppression of anger (or even a normally calm nature) is a requirement for the trope proposed here.
  • October 14, 2012
    Batman Grabs a Gun seems the closest trope that exists, but "Gun" seems to me when the hero realizes that the situation is serious and he chooses to do things he wouldn't normally do (i.e. Batman using a gun). In this proposed trope, the hero's anger overrides his principles and he ceases fighting like a hero.

    Lets Get Dangerous doesn't really apply here. "Dangerous" is when a background hero or a silly hero rises to the level of an A-list villain and kicks their butt.
  • October 14, 2012
    I'm kind of surprised that we don't have something that can cover this already. Are we sure we can't broaden an existing trope to include this?

    The title seems clunky to me. Wrath Threshold or Rage Threshold, maybe? The main problem with those is that they still seem to suggest a relationship to Godzilla Threshold, when Batman Grabs A Gun is more analogous.
  • October 14, 2012
    Heroic BSOD is related if not the same trope.
  • October 14, 2012
    Please make sure to fix the description. See Example As A Thesis.
  • October 15, 2012
  • October 15, 2012
    I'm afraid we already have this; The Gloves Come Off,
  • October 15, 2012
    I'm going to Discard this entry. The description needs too much work and it infringes on other tropes. Its hard to chose to expand one trope to cover this because its Unstopable Rage + Its Personal. I may reintroduce it once I have it cleaned up, but as of right now, its nowhere near ready to be launched. I really feel that this type of trope is worthy of this site, but I don't want to send it to review when its not ready.

    Thanks for the input, everybody. It was nice to actually be a part of the trope process instead of just thinking examples of the input.

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