Created By: Shnakepup on September 19, 2012 Last Edited By: Shnakepup on January 10, 2013
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Unnecessarily Large Vessel

Flying around in a ship that's much larger than it needs to be

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This trope is for when a ship in the story is hugely (and in some cases, comically) oversized for the crew or purpose it currently has. The large size may have had an original use, but in the story it's being vastly underutilized. Though mainly a sci-fi trope usually involving spaceships, it can apply in other situations as well (i.e. boats, hovercrafts, etc).

What happens when Bigger Is Better is applied to ISO Standard Human Spaceship. May overlap with Starship Luxurious. May involve an Enormous Engine. For things that are larger and have even less use, see Big Dumb Object. Compare Unnecessarily Large Interior and Awesome, but Impractical.

Examples:

Anime and Manga
  • The Mammoth Car from Speed Racer. Possibly subverted, since its constructed out of stolen gold.

Film
  • In Star Wars:
    • The Imperial Shuttle has very large, folding "wings" and a large dorsal fin. Despite this, the shuttle itself can only carry a few people, and with the technology of the Star Wars universe, the wings are completely unnecessary anyway (it's shown multiple times taking off and landing while the wings are still folded).
    • The Super Star Destroyer Executor. It is canonically 19 kilometers long, and while it is a fully functional warship, it's purpose is clearly more symbolic of The Empire's vast resources. A fleet of smaller ships could easily accomplish the same thing.
    • For a close second in length, we have the Eclipse-class super star destroyer from the Dark Empire comics (17 km, and outmasses the Executor-class). And by the New Jedi Order series the New Republic has a few such vessels of its own, specifically the Viscount-class battleship, expressly designed as a counter to the Super Star Destroyer and its ilk.
  • Played with in Spaceballs with Dark Helmet's ship, which just goes on and on and on and on and on....
  • In Alien: Even allowing for lots of cargo room, the ship the movie takes place on has an astonishing number of empty corridors, service passageways, and xenomorph-sized hiding places.

Literature
  • Alastair Reynolds is fond of this trope:
    • The novel Revelation Space features a kilometers-long spaceship called the Nostalgia For Infinity that, despite being built to hold over a hundred thousand passengers, is crewed in the story by only a handful of post-humans.
    • In House of Suns, each of the main characters has their own kilometers-long ship that they fly around in alone most of the time. One tense scene in the novel takes place in the cargo hold of a ship, which itself is akin to a vast cavern kilometers across.
  • In Stephen Baxter's Xeelee Sequence universe: the Xeelee Nightfighter. The cockpit is small, about the size of a room, but it's wings stretch out for kilometers in either direction, like vast sails. The purpose of these wings are never made evident, as the ship itself travels via teleportation.
  • Subverted/handwaved in E. E. “Doc” Smith's book Skylark Of Valeron: while the eponymous vessel was a sphere over 1000km in radius and has a crew of four, it needed to be that big to contain the navigational instruments necessary to cross intergalactic space.
  • Ellis Billington in The Jennifer Morgue has a yacht called the Mabuse. For a certain value of "yacht", anyway: the thing is a demilitarized former Russian Navy Krivak III-class missile frigate. She basically exists to say that Billington is richer than Croesus. With the missile tubes and other armament having been removed, she has more than enough space for a luxurious suite of rooms and a well-equipped occult surveillance operation.
  • The Moon (as in, Earth's actual moon) turns out to be a giant starship in Empire from the Ashes by David Weber. It's revealed to have been an ancient human starship, and all humans on Earth are the descendants of its crew.

Live-Action TV
  • The Red Dwarf is a kilometers-long mining ship that originally had a crew of hundreds. Three million years later it's crewed by a slacker who was in stasis for bringing a cat on board, a being that evolved from said cat, the ship's somewhat senile computer, a hologram of one of the dead crew, and, from series 3 onward, a robot butler they picked up on a passing asteroid.
  • Stargate SG-1 has Goa'uld Ha'tak-class motherships that are 700 meters in length, pretty much entirely to scare the hell out of primitive cultures as it lands and/or bombards them from afar. Spacious ornate interiors predominate. And yet by the end of SG-1, the Ha'tak is actually considered underpowered: the much more compact Prometheus- and Daedalus-class battlecruisers (195 meters and 225 meters respectively) immensely outgun it. Awesome, but Impractical is pretty much the standard Goa'uld design philosophy: as Jack O'Neill notes in "The Warrior" regarding their infantry weapons, the Goa'uld build their military technology to terrorize, whereas the Tau'ri design theirs to kill as efficiently as possible.
  • The Tulip in Starhunter is a retired luxury liner repurposed as a bounty hunting vessel. Since her crew currently consists of three people and an AI, she has so much unused space that the crew hasn't even bothered to explore the entire ship. Which led to a rather weird turn of events in one episode when a Human Popsicle in an unexplored corridor thawed out.
  • Invoked in Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "Remember Me" as a sign that something weird is happening onboard the Enterprise.

Tabletop Games
  • While all Eldar vessels in Warhammer40000 have smaller crews than the Imperial ones (which have comparable crew densities to modern warships), the Hemlock-class destroyers fit this trope. They are escort ships carrying a pulse laser normally reserved for capital ships, leaving precious little room for crew other than the gunners and steersmen. There's also the Wraithships, which are several kilometer long capital ships that might only have a single living soul on board [[hottip:*:Emphasis on living, as the wraithships are piloted by the souls of dead Eldar within the ship's Infinity Circuit, with the one living being on board being the Spiritseer that helps guide the souls.]]

Video Games
  • Referenced in Mass Effect 2: the Normandy SR-2 is considerably bigger than the first Normandy, and comes equipped with a spacious Captain's cabin. Several characters comment on the fact that, while the Alliance builds its ships for efficiency, Cerberus (being a criminal organisation with no oversight) can build to impress. Also, the SR-2 seemingly has fewer visible crew members than the SR-1.
  • The Polaris Raven in EV Nova is tied with the Auroran carrier for the title of largest starship in the setting at 1,200 meters in length. For all that size, it has a mere 30 crew, making one wonder exactly what it's doing with all that space when the Federation carrier is only 500 meters long but has a crew of 200, and the aforementioned Auroran version carries a crew of 250.
  • In X3: Terran Conflict the Dummied Out ATF Valhalla super-destroyer is easily the biggest ship in the game. In fact it's so big that A) it has serious issues with the firing arcs for its turrets, and B) it's wider than the jumpgates, meaning that if the player cheats one in and has it pass a gate while he's in the same sector, it bangs into the gate rim and loses its shields. The expansion Albion Prelude fixed the second behavior but not the first, and that, coupled with the fact that it's not much better of a Mighty Glacier than conventional destroyers, means that it's largely Awesome, but Impractical.

Web Comics
  • Pretty much every ship Tagon's Toughs of Schlock Mercenary has owned since their first one was meant to house a lot more than the under 100 troops the company comprises. Including an Ob'enn Superfortress, a Drop Ship from said superfortress that was rated for 25,000 men (needed some sleeping space though), and currently a cruiser meant for 6,000. They rely pretty heavily on the ships' AIs to run things.

Web Original
  • In Clear Skies, the titular ship is a Tempest-class battleship, approximately the same size as a Star Destroyer. It has a crew of less than five.

Western Animation
  • The Absolution from Toonami is incredibly huge, but it only has one operator (TOM) and a handful of assistants (The Cyldes). Considering its only used as a broadcast center, who knows what they need all that space for.
  • The episode "Battle Of The Planets", from Invader Zim, has the entire planet of Mars being converted into a giant spaceship, piloted by Zim. Later on, Mercury is also revealed to be a spaceship, which Dib promptly uses to fight Zim, leading to a hilarious montage of Zim and Dib bumping the planets into each other and actually dogfighting. With planets.

Real Life
  • While not a starship, the Soviet "Akula"-class[[hottip:*:That class was known to NATO as the Typhoon.]] The sub class NATO identified as Akula was a smaller attack boat that the Russians called Shchuka ('pike')]] nuclear ballistic missile submarines qualify. Due to the massive size of the missiles it was supposed to carry, desperate Soviet engineers had no choice but to make it ridiculously big, with large empty areas - a disadvantage for a submarine. They decided to fill said empty space with countless crew amenities, which ended up making the vessel perfect for its intended purpose - hiding for months at a time under the water in case of nuclear war. The relatively large space and comfort made sure mental stability among the crew was easily maintained even in stressful situations.
  • The Titanic was deliberately built to be the largest ship in the world.

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Community Feedback Replies: 53
  • September 19, 2012
    Diask
    Related to Starship Luxurious, which is when starships have a lot more space inside than neccessary.
  • September 19, 2012
    StarValkyrie
    I'm not sure about this. I mean, when its an interior, someone had to design and build it with a particular purpose so 'unnecessarily large' is fairly clearly defined. But with a ship, its different.

    For one, it's different because the ship you have is the ship you have and it might have been built for a completely different purpose (like intergalatic trade/smuggling in the Star Wars example), but that doesn't mean you can swap it for one more suitable prior to each battle.

    And that makes it unclear how to define unnecessary. Like take the Andromeda Ascendant from Andromeda as an example - the ship is enormous because it once had a crew of hundreds, but at times during the series there are as few as half a dozen crew making the ship seem hugely out of scale for most of the series but actually it isn't unnecessarily large, just woefully undermanned.

    And third, take the Tardis (also overlaps with Bigger On The Inside) which is supposedly huge (it 'archives' old rooms and replaces them with newly built ones so while they only use 1 console room at a time, the other 10 are supposedly still hanging around somewhere) but the only room inside the Tardis that we ever see is the console room so while the off-hand remarks about its size serve to enhance its alien-ness, it doesn't actually function as an unnecessarily large space at all.
  • September 19, 2012
    JohnnyCache
    Suggest changing name to Unnecessarily Large Vessel to avoid confusion with Shipping tropes.

    • Subverted/handwaved in EE Doc Smith's book Skylark Of Valeron: while the eponymous vessel was a sphere over 1000km in radius and has a crew of four, it needed to be that big to contain the navigational instruments necessary to cross intergalactic space.
    • The Mammoth Car from Speed Racer. Possibly another subversion, as it was constructed of stolen gold....
  • September 19, 2012
    Shnakepup
    @ StarValkyrie - I guess "woefully undermanned" is the idea I'm going for. It's not that the ship is too large for anything, it's that it's too large for it's current use. So if someone's using a ship simply to get from Point A to Point B, then wouldn't it be a little unnecessary if it was some huge, multi-kilometer warship? There might be certain justifications for it in-story, but the trope itself is still in play (i.e. using a large ship for a purpose that would not require such as large ship).

    Basically, if you're thinkin "why on earth does the ship have to be that big?" then it's probably this trope.

    So, basically, your Andromeda example fits, I'd say. The Tardis probably wouldn't count, nor would any case of Bigger On The Inside, because in that case the physical (outward) size literally does not matter.

    @ JohnnyCache - I'll change the name.
  • September 19, 2012
    Xtifr
    There's another YKTTW, Planet Spaceship that would seem to overlap heavily with this.
  • September 19, 2012
    Shnakepup
    Definitely looks like its related. I don't know if it'd overlap much, though, as most the examples seem to be pretty justifiable large (in other words, they're actually used to their full capacity, rather than their large size being unused).
  • September 21, 2012
    acrobox
    Toonami the Absolution is incredibly huge, but it only has one operator (TOM) and a handful of assistants (The Cyldes). Considering its only used as a broadcast center, who knows what they need all that space for.
  • September 21, 2012
    zarpaulus
    Live Action TV
    • The Red Dwarf is a kilometers-long mining ship that originally had a crew of hundreds, 3 million years later it's crewed by a slacker who was in stasis for bringing a cat on board, a being that evolved from said cat, the ship's somewhat senile computer, a hologram of one of the dead crew, and from series 3 onward a robot butler they picked up on a passing asteroid.

    Webcomics
    • Pretty much every ship Tagon's Toughs of Schlock Mercenary has owned since their first one was meant to house a lot more than the under 100 troops the company comprises. Including an Ob'enn Superfortress, a Drop Ship from said superfortress that was rated for 25,000 men (needed some sleeping space though), and currently a cruiser meant for 6,000. They rely pretty heavily on the ships' A Is to run things.
  • September 22, 2012
    randomsurfer
    In the Star Trek The Next Generation episode "Yesterday's Enterprise" a Negative Space Wedgie causes history to be rewritten so that the Federation and the Klingons never made peace, and now they're in a state of constant war. Despite this, as far as we can see the alternate USS Enterprise-D is built exactly the same as the normal E-D, which is mostly used for exploration & diplomatic missions rather than being a warship and is designed to carry families instead of soldiers.
  • September 22, 2012
    BlackMageJ
    Referenced in Mass Effect 2- the Normandy SR-2 is considerably bigger than the first Normandy, and comes equipped with a spacious Captain's cabin. Several characters comment on the fact that the Alliance builds its ships for efficiency, while Cerberus (being a criminal organisation with no oversight) can build to impress. Also, I'm pretty sure the SR-2 actually has fewer visible crew members than the SR-1.
  • September 22, 2012
    Chabal2

  • September 22, 2012
    Quatic
    Played with in Spaceballs, with Dark Helmet's ship, which just goes on and on and on and on and on....
  • September 22, 2012
    SharleeD
    ^^^^ Not sure if the Next Gen example really qualifies, as the Enterprise-D's size may have more to do with it being an alternate version of the same ship than it being dedicated to any particular purpose. A vessel scaled down for war probably wouldn't be a counterpart to the conventional Enterprise-D at all, but rather a counterpart to the Defiant. Plus, for all we know it's stuffed with a bunch of troops that take up room which the Federation-at-peace version used for non-military staff and families.

    • Even allowing for lots of cargo room, the vessel from Alien has an astonishing number of empty corridors, service passageways, and xenomorph-sized hiding places.
  • September 22, 2012
    DragonQuestZ
    "It's a medium sized ship intended for smuggling cargo, so it's odd to see it used battle situations where a much smaller fighter such as an X-Wing would be more appropriate."

    Being used for some other purpose does not make it this trope. It would have to be larger than needed for its intended purpose.
  • September 25, 2012
    Shnakepup
    @DragonQuestZ - I think the example still fits. It doesn't matter what the ship was intended to do. This trope concerns what it's currently being used for. So if the ship is currently being used as a fighter, but it's much larger than it needs to be, then it's this trope.
  • September 25, 2012
    Tallens
    Another from Star Wars: The Super Star Destroyer Executor. It looks to be at least 12 kilometers in length, and while it is a fully functional warship, it's purpose is clearly more symbolic of The Empire's vast resources. A fleet of smaller ships could easily accomplish the same thing.
  • September 26, 2012
    KZN02
    See also Enormous Engine?
  • September 26, 2012
    DragonQuestZ
    ^^^ That's not a good definition, especially since being in a rebellion means there is necessity to use whatever they have, regardless of the original intent.

    If it was peacetime, and there were options, that would fit the trope.
  • September 26, 2012
    Shnakepup
    As I mentioned above, there may be entirely valid reason within the narrative for the ship to be used. The point of the trope is that the ship is too big, not the reason for why it's too big. The reason has nothing to do with it.

    Let's say, hypothetically, you had a work where someone has to use a big spaceship. It's way bigger than the purpose they're using it for (let's say getting from point A to point B). There might be many reason why they have to use that particular ship. Maybe they were forced to against their will. Maybe it's the only ship they have. Maybe there's some special property about the ship that makes it more desirable to use then a smaller ship. In every case, it'd still be this trope.

    Now that I'm thinking of it, I think the use of the word "unnecessarily" is causing the confusion. Maybe change it to Absurdly Large Vessel? That'd gel nicely with already established tropes like Absurdly Spacious Sewer. Or maybe, to fit more with the Enormous Engine trope cited above, called it Enormous Ship?
  • September 26, 2012
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ Again that's not a good definition. "Unnecessarily" means that there is not a good reason for it being that big, even if the use changes.

    And even then, the Falcon is not that big. This would be something like using a small Star Destroyer as a fighter.

    Or for a real one, the Imperial Shuttles, which have shown no need to have wings and a fin that huge.
  • September 27, 2012
    Shnakepup
    Okay, I can agree that the Falcon example probably shouldn't belong then. We should limit this to examples where the ship is way larger, not just somewhat.

    I can't tell if you're arguing against or in support of "unnecessarily" though. Are you saying I should keep that as the name? Or do you agree with the idea of changing it to "absurdly" instead?

    You Imperial shuttle is a good example though. I'll add it.
  • September 27, 2012
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ I think the name is fine. But if there is a need for the size, and another use is just for convenience at the moment (like being in a rebellion), it shouldn't count.

    It would be the same if an office was made for a giant, and some normal guy had to take it over temporarily. It wouldn't count as an Unnecessarily Large Interior, since the guy is just using it for the moment.
  • September 28, 2012
    InsomniacWeasel
    While not a starship, the Soviet "Akula" class nuclear ballistic missile submarines might qualify. Due to the massive size of the missiles it was supposed to be carrying, desperate Soviet engineers had no choice but to make it ridiculously big for its intended purpose, with large empty areas - a disadvantage for a submarine. They decided to fill said empty space with countless crew amenities, which by complete coincidence ended up making the vessel perfect for its intended purpose - hiding for months at a time under the water in case of nuclear war. The relatively large space and comfort made sure mental stability among the crew was easily maintained even in stressful situations.
  • September 28, 2012
    Shnakepup
    I'd say it qualifies; I'll add a "Real Life" section. Thanks.
  • October 10, 2012
    Tallens
    Note, on the Akula entry there: That class was known to NATO as the Typhoon. The sub class NATO identified as Akula was a smaller attack boat that the Russians called Shchuka ('pike').
  • October 10, 2012
    StarSword
    Re: the Executor: For the record, it's length has been canonically established as 19 kilometers. For a close second in length, we have the Eclipse-class super star destroyer from the Dark Empire comics (17 km, and outmasses the Executor-class). And by the New Jedi Order series the New Republic has a few such vessels of its own, specifically the Viscount-class battleship, expressly designed as a counter to the super star destroyer and its ilk.

    Meanwhile, under Live Action TV:
    • Goa'uld Ha'tak-class motherships in Stargate SG 1 are 700 meters in length, pretty much entirely to scare the hell out of primitive cultures as it lands and/or bombards them from afar. Spacious ornate interiors predominate. And yet by the end of SG-1, the Ha'tak is actually considered underpowered: the much more compact Prometheus- and Daedalus-class battlecruisers (195 meters and 225 meters respectively) immensely outgun it. Awesome But Impractical is pretty much the standard Goa'uld design philosophy: as Jack O'Neill notes in "The Warrior" regarding their infantry weapons, the Goa'uld build their military technology to terrorize, whereas the Tau'ri design theirs to kill as efficiently as possible.

    And under Video Games:
    • The Polaris Raven in EV Nova is tied with the Auroran carrier for the title of largest starship in the setting at 1,200 meters in length. For all that size, it has a mere 30 crew, making one wonder exactly what it's doing with all that space when the Federation carrier is only 500 meters long but has a crew of 200, and the aforementioned Auroran version carries a crew of 250.
  • October 10, 2012
    StarSword
    Oh, just thought of another for Live Action TV.

    • The Tulip in Starhunter is a retired luxury liner repurposed as a bounty hunting vessel. Since her crew currently consists of three people and an AI, she has so much unused space that the crew hasn't even bothered to explore the entire ship. Which led to a rather weird turn of events in one episode when a Human Popsicle in an unexplored corridor thawed out.
  • October 20, 2012
    zarpaulus
    You know, I'm not sure I see the difference between this (flying around in a ship much larger than it needs to be) and Starship Luxurious (Starships with enormous, space-wasting rooms)
  • October 20, 2012
    NimmerStill
    Are we really ceding the English language such that "ship" doesn't mean "ship" anymore? Also, is this only a science fiction trope or do real ships count as well?
  • October 20, 2012
    Shnakepup
    @zarpaulus - There's certainly a lot of overlap, sure, but I think they're pretty distinct.

    @Nimmer - I agree, "ship" is probably a better term but as JohnnyCash said above it might get confused with the various Shipping tropes. To answer your other question: I was mainly thinking of sci-fi spaceships when I thought of the idea for the trope, but the spirit of it could still apply to "real" ships. Like, if you can think of an example of someone, like, using an aircraft carrier as their personal transport, that'd probably count.
  • October 20, 2012
    zarpaulus
    What is the distinction?
  • October 21, 2012
    StarSword
    The OP can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Starship Luxurious refers to the spaces inside the ship (corridors, rooms, etc.) being much larger and comfier than they need to be. This trope refers to the ship itself being much larger than it needs to be. They're related and go hand-in-hand a lot, but they are distinct.
  • October 21, 2012
    Shnakepup
    Exactly.
  • October 21, 2012
    Tallens
    I think the Super Star Destroyer example should be merged with the note beneath it since it contains a correction.
  • October 22, 2012
    StarSword
    Made the fix.
  • October 23, 2012
    StarSword
    Literature:
    • Ellis Billington in The Jennifer Morgue has a yacht called the Mabuse. For a certain value of "yacht", anyway: the thing is a demilitarized former Russian Navy Krivak III-class missile frigate. She basically exists to say that Billington is richer than Croesus. With the missile tubes and other armament having been removed, she has more than enough space for a luxurious suite of rooms and a well-equipped occult surveillance operation.
  • October 30, 2012
    StarSword
    This could be related to a work-in-progress YKTTW I'm On A Boat!
  • November 7, 2012
    0blivionmobile
    In Clear Skies, the titular ship is a Tempest-class battleship, approximately the same size as a Star Destroyer. It has a crew of less than five.
  • November 14, 2012
    StarSword
    Video Games:

    • In X3: Terran Conflict the Dummied Out ATF Valhalla super-destroyer is easily the biggest ship in the game. In fact it's so big that A) it has serious issues with the firing arcs for its turrets, and B) it's wider than the jumpgates, meaning that if the player cheats one in and has it pass a gate while he's in the same sector, it bangs into the gate rim and loses its shields. The expansion Albion Prelude fixed the second behavior but not the first, and that, coupled with the fact that it's not much better of a Mighty Glacier than conventional destroyers, means that it's largely Awesome But Impractical.
  • November 20, 2012
    JohnnyCache
    Copying an example from Advanced Ancient Humans:

    I don't know how many crew and/or passengers the Moon was supposed to carry, but I can't imagine it being enough for a ship that big.
  • November 21, 2012
    SenseiLeRoof
    Invoked in Star Trek: the Next Generation episode "Remember Me" as a sign that something weird's happening with the Enterprise.
  • November 21, 2012
    JohnnyCache
    BTW - The last sentence in my previous reply was just my comment on the example. It wasn't intended to be part of the text. Sentences containing "I" or "this troper" are discouraged here, IIRC....
  • November 22, 2012
    Nomic
    I think that for the most examples, the defining factor here isn't the vessel being unnecessarily large, but the crew being very small compared to the size. For example, if a spacecraft is a kilometer in lenght but only has 100 crew members, it isn't unnecessarily large if most of the size is taken by the engines, reactor, FTL-drive etc. Same with the Akula-class submarine in real life; it is as large as necessary to carry the huge ICB Ms, leaving it with a lot of internal space compared to the crew size.

    Further examples of this:
    • While all Eldar vessels in [1] have smaller crews than the Imperial ones (which have comparable crew densities to modern warships), the ones that would fit this trope is are the Hemlock-class destroyers (which are escort ships carrying a capital ship pulse laser, leaving precious little room for crew other than the gunners and steersmen) and wraithships (several kilometers long capital ships that might only have a single living soul on board. Emphasis on the living, as the wraithships are piloted by the souls of the dead Eldar within the ship's Infinity Circuit, with the only living beings on board being the spiritseers that help guide the souls).
  • November 22, 2012
    zarpaulus
    ^ I wouldn't think the Hemlock-class would count if most of that space is required for the main weapon.
  • January 2, 2013
    Tallens
    Bump
  • January 3, 2013
    zarpaulus
    Webcomics
    • In Nip And Tuck's Show Within A Show "Rebel Cry" the Federation's new flagship the Cygnus was referred to as a "grotesque example of government waste". But the rebels found it an ideal long-range colony ship when they hijacked it.
  • January 8, 2013
    zarpaulus
    Starting a YKTTW for Mile-Long Ships, though not necessarily unnecessarily large.
  • January 8, 2013
    StarSword
    We're well in excess of the Three Rules Of Three. Just Launch It Already.
  • January 8, 2013
    MarqFJA
    You may want to remove the hottip markup in the real-life section with the new note markup ([[note]][[/note]]). Also, there are superfluous brackets in the same entry.
  • January 8, 2013
    Ghilz
    The Stargate SG 1 example isn't particularly accurate. For one, Ha'tak vessels aren't noticeably larger than the majority of alien vessels: They are comparable to an Asgard Berliskner or O'Neill class, Wraith Hive or a Lantean Aurora-Class. They are positively dwarfed by Ori Battlecruisers and not even on the same scale as a Lantean City-Ship like Atlantis. Really, it's the Tau'ri vessels that are abnormally small. When one compares a Ha'Tak and Daedalus, one needs to remember, Daedalus doesn't need to be able to carry a planetary invasion force. Which a Ha'Tak does.
  • January 8, 2013
    elwoz
    This seems essentially done to me. Does anyone still think the description needs work?
  • January 10, 2013
    zarpaulus
  • January 10, 2013
    Xtifr
    • In Tom Holt's Flying Dutch, after the Flying Dutchman discovers that he's the richest person in the world, thanks to compound interest, he trades in his old ship for a used aircraft carrier. For his crew of less than a dozen.
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