Created By: neoYTPism on February 16, 2011 Last Edited By: neoYTPism on October 25, 2012

Thorough Speech, Simplistic Response

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Harvey Dent: The Batman is an outlaw. But that's not why we're demanding he turn himself in, we're doing it because we're scared. We've been happy to let the Batman clean up our streets for us until now.
Crowd member 1: Things are worse than ever!
Harvey Dent: Yes they are. But the night is darkest just before the dawn. I promise you, the dawn is coming. One day the Batman will have to answer for the laws he's broken, but to us, not to this madman.
Crowd member 2: ... no more dead cops!

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This is when a speech, or any other form of dialogue with a feel of thoroughness and eloquence on the part of one side of the conversation, is met with a very short and simple response.

In some cases, this could be used to indicate that the more thorough side is being more logical and that the other side is Completely Missing the Point. In other cases, it could be used to indicate that the more thorugh side's "logic" could easily be deconstructed by a simple one-liner.

Sometimes the quick response is itself met with a quick response in turn, sometimes by the very same person who gave the previous thorough speech. (Understandably so, as said thouroughness was evidently ineffective at convincing the other side.)

As implied by the page quote, Dent's press conference from The Dark Knight is a clear case of this, and so is the Calvin and Hobbes example in the tentative page image. Each of those is of the variety portraying the more rational side as more thorough. This was probably also used a few times in South Park. Also, the feel of "from eloquent to simplistic" is captured in this VG Cats comic.
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  • February 16, 2011
    mechanixis
    I think this is covered by Shut Up Kirk and Shut Up Hannibal.
  • February 16, 2011
    neoYTPism
    Those may be two specific varieties of this, but don't cover it entirely @ mechanixis
  • February 28, 2011
    INUH
    ^^I think those are only when you're just trying to get the person to shut up by interrupting a long speech with a brief response. Sometimes the responder is just an idiot.
  • February 28, 2011
    Generality
    I think you have two cases here: one where one side of the dialogue is merely stupid, and one where one side feels their simple phrase adequately sums up the argument and invalidates the more loquacious opposition. Something akin to an Armor Piercing Question.
  • March 1, 2011
    neoYTPism
    ^ My description's 3rd paragraph says basically the same thing except that it applies more generally.
  • March 15, 2011
    Generality
    Then at this point, you're just missing the examples.
  • March 16, 2011
    neoYTPism
    I already have a few. I have The Dark Knight and Calvin And Hobbes, as well as the mention of South Park. (Which I'm pretty sure uses this in the Cartoon Wars two-parter and an immigration-themed episode, at least...)
  • October 24, 2012
    Chernoskill
    At the end of System Shock 2, evil A.I. Shodan rambles on and on about how they could rule together if she and the player would merge... And finally commands him to join her. His response? A simple "Nope" before he shoots her avatar with his gun. Played For Laughs in an otherwise fairly scary and serious game.
  • October 24, 2012
    rolranx
    Maybe ad a final paragraph that does the hole "compare and contrast" thing mentioning the shut up hannable and shut up kirk tropes as well as the armor piercing questions mentioned by the tropers?

    Sorry I can't think of any examples at the moment.
  • October 24, 2012
    Chabal2
    See also Translation Yes.
  • October 24, 2012
    Chernoskill
    Upon further consideration, I hereyby retract my earlier example about System Shock 2, it's already listed under Shut Up Hannibal.
  • October 24, 2012
    McKathlin
    This trope is a type of Bathos. Its subtropes Shut Up Hannibal and Shut Up Kirk definitely belong in the description somewhere.
  • October 24, 2012
    JonnyB
    In Blazing Saddles we have this exchange:
    Hedley Lamarr: My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening through a cosmic vapor of invention.
    Taggart: Ditto.
    Hedley : "Ditto?" "Ditto," you provincial putz?
  • October 25, 2012
    Omeganian
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