Created By: rishia on December 30, 2013
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Improbably Male Cast

Everyone is a man when there's absolutely no good reason for this.

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An Improbably Male Cast is when a work's cast is dominated by men in a situation where this is incredibly fucking dumb. This can range from women being present in the setting but not given screen time or importance to the story, to literally the majority of the people in the main setting are male. As a side effect, you can expect any female characters that do appear to gravitate to satellite status.
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  • December 30, 2013
    Snicka
  • December 30, 2013
    rishia
    nah. The Smurfette Principle implies there is one woman among the main characters. some shows don't even give us that
  • December 30, 2013
    Snicka
    That's why I said "compare".

    You should make clear what do you mean by "in a situation where this is incredibly fucking dumb" (and you should probably avoid using the F-word). For example in The Hobbit (at least in the book), there are literally no female characters, but it makes sense in the setting because it is a story mostly about warriors in a world where most warriors are male. Does that count?
  • December 30, 2013
    DAN004
    Well we have Cast Full Of Pretty Boys... :P

    It and Improbably Female Cast were once called Blue Bishonen Ghetto and Pink Bishoujo Ghetto, but with their current names they actually aren't related to each other. :P
  • December 30, 2013
    Larkmarn
  • December 30, 2013
    Koveras
    • This is a common complaint about the Strugatsky Brothers' books: if there is a female character at all, she is mostly the Token Girl of the novel and the Love Interest for the protagonist. Some novels, like Escape Attempt and Tale Of The Troika, don't contain any female characters at all (though in the former, this is justified by the Terrans being basically represented by a space-traveling bachelor party and the aliens, by a male penal colony; while the latter has a female talking goat and a female brontosaurus).
  • December 30, 2013
    randomsurfer
    There's also Most Writers Are Male and Men Are Generic Women Are Special. Per those tropes, when there isn't a reason to have a character be female then the assumption is that they're male.
  • December 30, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    Wow, the description is so complainy. Tropes Are Not Bad, and they certainly are not "incredibly fucking dumb". Tagging Description Needs Help.
  • December 30, 2013
    Lakija
    ^^^^^^ and ^ Seconded. No reason for profanity in the description at all. :( If you want to make a good trope, I would suggest like... not doing that. And not snapping when people are trying to help you make this trope. That's what YKTTW is for. Maybe read through some other YKTTWs first and the guide if you haven't.

    Everyone is here to help you succeed. Not hinder you. :)
  • December 30, 2013
    IndirectActiveTransport
    The Hobbit is based on Norse Mythology, where there exists a god of fallen female warriors. So no, its all male cast does not make any particular amount of sense.
  • December 30, 2013
    Larkmarn
    ^ ... that's... a stretch.
  • December 30, 2013
    ShanghaiSlave
    o_____o

    you do know that it's kinda the "default" that a work's cast be exclusively (or majority be) male right?

    Most Writers Are Male's got it covered. we don't need a feminist rant version of it. which is what this one is right now.

    also, Double Standard doesn't make sense by nature as far as i know.
  • December 30, 2013
    sharkticon
    Is this in response to the discussions on the I Mprobably Female Cast page?

    Because some of those arguments were Political Correctness Gone Mad and the... tone of the proposal seems to fit that.

    I do think this is a potential trope, but there's nothing here yet. no examples, athe descriptions's a mess, and op hasn't replied. I feel like this was just done as a statement.
  • December 30, 2013
    DAN004
    Compare No Womans Land.
  • December 31, 2013
    Sligh_Br
    Even though this description is very bad and "feministrantish", I do think there's a trope buried there somewhere. Desperately Needs A Better Description because of that. OP should add the two comparisons proposed No Womans Land and The Smurfette Principle. Should also edit "incredibly fuking dumb" to makes no sense whatsoever within the story.

    PS: Lord of The Rings is entirely justified in doing so, in my opinion, because it's about a male-centric society. Not to mention it's only broadly based on Norse Mythology, mostly on it's creatures, not so much it's cosmology (which is much more based on christian mythology) or it's society (which is based in English Middle Ages). The LAST inspiration is what matter for this discussion, by the way.

    Something like Star Trek (original series), on the other hand, is not justified at all and would be an example of this trope (how come a work set on a very egalitarian futuristic society has a grand total of ONE named female character and she's not even important to the plot?), in my opinion.
  • January 16, 2014
    Larkmarn
    Bump. If no one's going to try to fix this, I'm going to agree it was just made as a statement and add an MTD.

    There's a trope here, but nothing about this YKTTW itself is done well.
  • January 16, 2014
    XFllo
    We already have Chromosome Casting when only one sex is cast in main roles.

    Plus, this is not how you write a draft in YKTTW. Complaining, no examples and vulgarisms (I'm all for a Precision F Strike, but when it's funny or called for, unlike here).

    Discard.
  • January 16, 2014
    DAN004
    MTD plz.
  • January 17, 2014
    IndirectActiveTransport
    That means what exactly? Why can't you just type out the words?
  • January 17, 2014
    Larkmarn
    It means "Motion to Discard."

    ... who gave this a hat?
  • January 17, 2014
    LostAlone
    There's the germ of a trope here but it feels more like it should be rolled into one of the other similar pages. It's fair to call out works that are inexplicably lacking women, especially when they are ostensibly reflecting the real world. But this seems to be implying that authors must include women in all situations regardless of story or character needs. As it stands if we include this trope on any works page that would directly be calling it sexist - basically using a trope to imply a value judgement which isn't what the site is about.

  • January 17, 2014
    DAN004
    Is this Up For Grabs yet?
  • January 18, 2014
    sharkticon
    No, not until two months after op last posted.

    Honestly, if you want to make this trope, discard this garbage and make a new one.
  • January 18, 2014
    IndirectActiveTransport
    You know what this needs? Examples!

    Legends Of Wrestling has no women in it, even more conspicuous in Legends Of Wrestlemania, a show that has featured women for the beginning. Karate Champ only had men in it.

    Baki The Grappler has an all male cast.

    River City Ransom only has men in it, as does Wu Tang Shaolin Style Sango Fighter

    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Tournament Fighters only had male characters in it despite coming from a franchise with plenty of notable females.

    F Zero had no females in it despite being about a fictional sport that even turtles could participate in. This was fixed in the sequels. The first Star Fox had an all male cast despite being about fighter pilots in the future (air combat was the first role women could enlist for in modern armies)

    There nine examples, we have a trope. We can give it its hat back as soon as the original poster writes up a better description.
  • January 20, 2014
    XFllo
    ^ Somebody already discarded the draft, but in case you return here: the examples could go on Chromosome Casting, but please note that Zero Context Examples are not allowed.
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