Created By: owlwarrorforaslan5 on October 1, 2012 Last Edited By: owlwarrorforaslan5 on October 3, 2012
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Lovable Sue

This character is a Mary Sue, but a large portion of the fandom likes them anyway

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So you're reading a book, watching a movie, or watching a tv show. You notice that there's this one character who is extremely beautiful, is smarter that most real life geniuses, everyone loves them, has few or no flaws, and otherwise displays many of the characteristics of a Sue or one of the Sue subtypes. Ok, they may not be as bad as the description above, but they still meet all Mary Sue Qualifications.

Then why is a large portion of the fandom not screaming for their blood?

Because, fellow troper, this character is a Lovable Sue.

This character has all the traits nescessary to make them a Sue, but for some reason, a vast majority of the fans for some reason like them, rather than crying out for the blood of the character or the creator thereof like others would do.

See also Mary Sue, and her many subtropes.

Community Feedback Replies: 21
  • October 1, 2012
    captainpat
    I think we're not allowed to make anymore Mary Sue pages.
  • October 1, 2012
    norsicnumber2nd
    ^Not necessarily a Mary Sue page?

    And, of course; you use Camel Case, type without spaces to the redirect so for Mary Sue, type MarySue.
  • October 1, 2012
    owlwarrorforaslan5
    ^thanks. and I've found out how to do links but thanks anyway. :)
  • October 2, 2012
    owlwarrorforaslan5
    Oh, and if anyone can come up with some examples, I would really appreciate it, thanks!
  • October 2, 2012
    owlwarrorforaslan5
    Um... should this be a YMMV because while one fan may like a certain Sue, another may want them to die, or be thrown in a dungeon, or banished, or thrown in a dungeon in whereever they've been banished to.
  • October 2, 2012
    saintdane05
  • October 2, 2012
    owlwarrorforaslan5
    ^added.
  • October 2, 2012
    DracMonster
    I don't think this is going to be workable since it's too subjective - a small rabid subset of a fandom can get very vocal about a character most of the rest hate. I can see it being a huge Edit War magnet.
  • October 2, 2012
    norsicnumber2nd
    ^The idea is good, though we could maybe widen it to try and nullify edit wars.

    I'd suggest it be more basically where a large enough part of the fandom inexplicably likes a character that they may not necessarily be supposed to, or a character that all the other characters hate.

    For any character to be added, there should be a discussion beforehand and for the overall consensus to be accepted: that is, 60% or more agreeing.
  • October 2, 2012
    CobraPrime
    We had a page like that, it got cut. Used to be The Westley (Not to be confused with The Wesley)

    I doubt re-creating them is a good move.
  • October 2, 2012
    norsicnumber2nd
    Yes, you can't assume for the fandom.
  • October 2, 2012
    HeartOfAnAstronaut
    "all the traits necessary to make them a sue" is a problematic phrase because we have like eight pages for different flavours of Mary Sue, these traits all require different and often mutually exclusive traits. We also already have tropes for some of the likeable counterparts to these character types, e.g. a Villain Sue who is also a fan favourite is a Magnificent Bastard. A likeable Purity Sue is The Pollyanna, likeable God Mode Sue is The Ace, etc.

    Not saying it's an awful idea but like everyone else has said, it's tough.
  • October 2, 2012
    norsicnumber2nd
    ^You just mentioned a Likeable Sue (Purity Sue, The Pollyanna, The Ace) - shove this in as an expansion of one of those or just add a clause to Mary Sue if this is getting too tough.
  • October 2, 2012
    IlVit
    I think we might have to delete the examples. All Mary Sue pages (except for Parody Sue) do not allow examples, as calling the character a Mary Sue is stealth insulting the author of that work.
  • October 2, 2012
    norsicnumber2nd
    ^Yeh, we probably will.
  • October 2, 2012
    bulmabriefs144
    I think this isn't subjective. You'll have a Purity Sue, whose purity and sweetness are largely an Informed Ability. They get audience hate because they are given free license to act like jerks because the creator didn't bother to make them likeable.

    I think this should be a modifier-type trope (the Purity Sue to The Pollyanna above), and be given a better name.

  • October 2, 2012
    captainsandwich
    would superman count?
  • October 3, 2012
    owlwarrorforaslan5
    ^Captainsandwich, I was wondering that too, and I'm not sure. Maybe.

    And to everyone else, I've removed the example, sorry for putting it there in the first place, it was a suggestion, I shouldn't have added it. And also, now that I think about it, this isn't a good trope idea. It sounded better when I thought of it, but now I realize it was a bad idea. Maybe we should just put this somewhere no one can find it and let it never be spoken of again
  • October 3, 2012
    captainsandwich
    Then click the discard button to scrap it. Its taking up space.
  • October 3, 2012
    TBeholder
    Also, "this one character who is extremely beautiful, is smarter that most real life geniuses, everyone loves them, has few or no flaws" doesn't necessarily make a Mary Sue. Conversely, there are Anti Sue and whatnot. The main Mary Sue trait is an invisible anomaly making the rest of universe rotate around this one character.
  • October 3, 2012
    HeartOfAnAstronaut
    T Beholder: that's such a good point, the fact of whether or not a character is a Mary Sue - though hardier tropers than myself have done an awesome job of attempting it - is something of an X factor. A Mary Sue in a book or TV show most essential qualities are being grating and jarring, all we can really do is establish the major contributing factors. This is tough because it focuses on the product of those factors as distinctive but is vague on the causes. Can it be rearranged?

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