Line #107 WMG/WarriorCatsDawnOfTheClans


1	''[[Literature/WarriorCatsDawnOfTheClans Dawn of the Clans]]'' shows the origins of the five Clans of ''Literature/WarriorCats''. Much speculation for the series has been made, and you can add yours here.
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3	'''Beware of unmarked spoilers!''' As this is a WMG page, there will be no spoiler tags for any of the events of the series. If you are not completely up to date on ''The Sun Trail'', ''Thunder Rising'', ''The First Battle'', and ''The Blazing Star,'' you have been warned.
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6	[[WMG:Shaded Moss will die]]
7	Given his role as the leader of the "New Territory Crew", he's pretty much guaranteed to bite it. My bet is that he doesn't even make it through ''The Sun Trail''.
8	* Confirmed. He gets hit by a monster just before they reach their new home.
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10	[[WMG:River is in what will become [=RiverClan=] territory]]
11	Several people have noticed the absence of River in ''The Sun Trail''. My theory is that he's across the river from the characters, and since nobody swims across to check the other side, they haven't seen him. So either Nightheart will mention him, Falling Feather or Dappled Pelt will swim over and meet him, or he'll come to the other side for whatever reason.
12	* Confirmed in ''Thunder Rising''.
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14	[[WMG:Lightningtail will be a kit of Hawk Swoop]]
15	There have been no cats seen with a name similar to Lightningtail’s, which could mean that he hasn’t been born yet. It makes sense that Thunder’s first deputy would be a cat he considered his brother]. Also works because Hawk Swoop mentions that she does want to live in the forest, but she didn’t go with because she didn’t want the group to split. That means that she will probably end up in [=ThunderClan=], and her kits and foster kit might follow.
16	* In ''Thunder Rising'', this is 100% confirmed. Lightning Tail is Hawk Swoop's son and Thunder's adoptive brother!
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18	[[WMG:Lightningtail will be a she-kit]]
19	And she will either be Thunder's foster sister, or his mate. [[{{Squick}} Or both.]]
20	* As of ''Thunder Rising'', this is jossed, as Lightning Tail is male.
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22	[[WMG:Petal is going to be [=SkyClan=]'s first medicine cat]]
23	Now that Fox is dead, maybe she's going to stop fighting and decide to take up medicine? You never know.
24	* Doesn't seem likely in ''Thunder Rising'' and ''The First Battle'', as she's still fighting.
25	* She dies.
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27	[[WMG:Lionblaze is his own Grandpaw!]]
28	One of the Followers of the Sun Trail is the kit, or grandkit, of Lion's Roar. They will have kits with another cat, and their kit will have kits with one of Wind's kits. Maybe it's Hawk Swoop who is a kit of Lion's Roar? If Wind's kit and a descendant of Lion's Roar have kits, then one day their descendants will give birth to Ashfoot, who will have Crowfeather, who will father Lionblaze, thereby making Lionblaze descended from himself.
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30	[[WMG:Possible Clans for the characters]]
31	!!Unconfirmed Characters
32	* Quick Water
33	** [=SkyClan=], where she currently is.
34	*** Confirmed.
35	** [=ShadowClan=]
36	* Petal
37	** [=SkyClan=], because of how much she respects Clear Sky.
38	*** [[spoiler: She dies before she gets the chance.]]
39	* Nightheart
40	** [=RiverClan=], because she is seen swimming in her first appearance. As well, she's River Ripple's best friend and a Cat of the River.
41	*** Confirmed. [[spoiler: She even becomes [=RiverClan’s=] first deputy.]]
42	* Acorn Fur
43	** [=ThunderClan=], given that both of her brothers are going there.
44	*** Jossed. Goes to [=SkyClan=].
45	* Sparrow Fur
46	** [=WindClan=], given her distaste with Thunder and Lightning Tail, and that at least on of Turtle Tail's kits should stay with Gray Wing.
47	** [=ShadowClan=], to stay with Pebble Heart.
48	*** Jossed. Goes to [=SkyClan=], and [[spoiler: becomes their first deputy.]]
49	* Leaf
50	** [=SkyClan=], given that he's part of the forest group at the moment.
51	*** Jossed. Goes to [=ThunderClan=].
52	* Dew
53	** [=SkyClan=]
54	** [=ShadowClan=]
55	* Thorn
56	** Seems likely to die before the Clans are born, given that he's sickly in ''The First Battle'' and ''The Blazing Star'' will be about the cats struggling with illness.
57	* Nightheart's Brother
58	** [=RiverClan=], because he's a Cat of the River.
59	* Nettle
60	** [=ThunderClan=]. He only joined Clear Sky because he had nowhere else to go, and he seems to respect Thunder more than Clear Sky.
61	* Birch
62	** [=SkyClan=], since he's there right now.
63	** [=ShadowClan=]
64	* Alder
65	** [=ShadowClan=]
66	** [=SkyClan=]
67	* Swift
68	** [=ThunderClan=], because she lives in the forest and runs into Thunder and Lightning Tail in ''The First Battle''
69	!!Confirmed Characters
70	* Gray Wing (Confirmed Proto [=WindClan=] leader by WordOfGod)
71	* Clear Sky (Confirmed [=SkyClan=] by ''Cloudstar's Journey'')
72	* Turtle Tail (None. Dies in ''The First Battle''.)
73	** Almost certainly [=WindClan=].
74	* Jagged Peak (Confirmed [=WindClan=] by ''The Ultimate Guide''.)
75	** [=ThunderClan=] if he heals, because of his tracking skills and love of the forest. Hopefully he wouldn't want to go back to Clear Sky.
76	* Tall Shadow (Confirmed [=ShadowClan=] by WordOfGod and ''The Ultimate Guide'')
77	* Moon Shadow (None. Dies in ''Thunder Rising'')
78	* Shattered Ice (Confirmed [=RiverClan=] by ''A Forest Divided'')
79	* Cloud Spots (Confirmed [=ThunderClan=] by WordOfGod and ''The Ultimate Guide'')
80	* Dappled Pelt (Confirmed [=RiverClan=] by WordOfGod and ''The Ultimate Guide'')
81	* Jackdaw's Cry (None. Dies in ''The First Battle'')
82	** Most likely [=WindClan=], as the original version of ''Tallstar's Revenge'' referred to him as [=WindClan=], and he's a good tunneler.
83	* Falling Feather (None. Dies in ''The First Battle'')
84	** Almost certainly [=RiverClan=], since she likes to swim.
85	* Rainswept Flower (None. Dies in ''The First Battle'')
86	** [=ThunderClan=], because of her tracking skills.
87	** ''Thunder Rising'' and ''The Ultimate Guide'' suggest [=WindClan=] because she seems like she's going to get together with Jagged Peak, and he's confirmed [=WindClan=].
88	* Hawk Swoop (None. Dies in ''The First Battle'')
89	** [=WindClan=], to stay with her mate Jackdaw's Cry is he is [=WindClan=].
90	* Wind (Confirmed [=WindClan=])
91	* Gorse (Confirmed [=WindClan=])
92	* Frost (None. Dies in ''The First Battle'')
93	** Based on ''Thunder Rising'' and ''The Ultimate Guide'' he is apparently going to live out the rest of his days in the moor, so it seems to be [=WindClan=] for him.
94	** [=SkyClan=]
95	* Bumble (None. Dies in ''Thunder Rising''.)
96	* Thunder (Confirmed [=ThunderClan=])
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98	[[WMG:Wind will move in with the moor group because she's pregnant]]
99	Wind has to join up with the other cats of the moor to earn their trust if she's going to be the leader of the [=WindClan=] ones, and she also has to have kits at some point because Ashfoot is her descendant. I can't see Wind being pregnant as a leader, but I can see her having kits before the founding of the Clans. I imagine that ''Thunder Rising'' will have the Followers of the Sun Trail bring in Wind and Gorse because they don't just want to leave a pregnant queen out there on the moor. Also, Thunder isn't yet old enough to reasonably lead a Clan, so there will probably be enough time between her pregnancy and the founding of the Clans for Wind's kits to not need her any more.
100	* With preview chapters out for ''The First Battle'', this is Jossed, as Tall Shadow finally invites her to join the group because of tensions with Clear Sky. However, she does appear to be pregnant.
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102	[[WMG:The final villain of ''Dawn of the Clans'']]
103	Clear Sky is a great antagonist, but he's pretty sympathetic and will have to work with the other founders after the Clans are made. The true villain could be:
104	* Lightningtail
105	* A cat that got screwed over by the Clan system and wants revenge. The Clans have to defeat them to prove that their way of life is viable and can survive.
106	* A truly evil cat that wants to destroy the Clans because they can.
107	* Someone even more sympathetic than Clear Sky.
108	* The inevitable Scourge expy.
109	** One-Eye ends up becoming the antagonist. However, he dies after one book and gets replaced by one of his followers, Slash.
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111	[[WMG:Alternatively, Frost will be the main villain of ''Dawn of the Clans'']]
112	The main villain of a given ''Warriors'' arc will usually appear in the first book, and Frost seems to be the biggest jerk in ''The Sun Trail''. Therefore, he will be the villain.
113	* According to leaked ''Thunder Rising'' spoilers, this seems unlikely, as Frost is one of the first members of [=ThunderClan=] and seems to be Thunder's friend.
114	* Now that ''Thunder Rising'' is out, it's safe to say that this isn't happening.
115	* And fully jossed with his death in ''The First Battle''.
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117	[[WMG:There will be a sixth Clan, but it will get destroyed early on]]
118	It will exist just to bring about some sort of MassOhCrap from the readers. I can see the Erins doing this.
119	* False. However, Tall Shadow's group splits up, and the remaining cats abandon camp to start a new life in the pine forest.
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121	[[WMG:The reason for the title of ''The First Battle'']]
122	I think we all know that it will be the battle mentioned in the ''Secrets of the Clans'' origin story. However, it's called that because after it's done River insists it was "The First Battle". Someone else will point out that there have been plenty of battles already, but River will protest because he wasn't a part of them, and then keep bugging the other Clan Founders about it until they give up and just let it him dub it The First Battle.
123	* Jossed. River Ripple doesn't even participate in ''The First Battle''.
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125	[[WMG:Unknown positions]]
126	There are still a few positions whose holders are still unknown.
127	* [=ShadowClan=] deputy
128	** Moon Shadow (Jossed. He's dead.)
129	** Rainswept Flower (Unlikely, due to her ShipTease with Jagged Peak.) (Jossed now due to her death in ''The First Battle''.)
130	** A new, not yet revealed character.
131	*** All jossed. It goes to [[spoiler: Sun Shadow, Tall Shadow’s nephew. It would later go to Raven Pelt after Sun Shadow's death.]]
132	* [=RiverClan=] deputy
133	** Falling Feather (Jossed due to her death in ''The First Battle'')
134	** Nightheart
135	** Confirmed.
136	* [=SkyClan=] deputy
137	** Quick Water
138	** Petal
139	** Frost (Jossed, he's almost certainly [=WindClan=].)(Jossed due to his death in ''The First Battle.'')
140	** All jossed. It goes to Sparrow Fur.
141	* [=SkyClan=] medcat
142	** Petal (Jossed due to her death in "The Blazing Star")
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144	[[WMG:Mothflight will have a point of view in ''The Blazing Star'' or ''Dawn of the Clans'' 5]]
145	It's pretty clear that the Clans will be founded at the end of ''The First Battle'', and ''Tallstar's Revenge'' shows that Mothflight is still the first medicine cat. Therefore, she's still going to discover the Moonstone. And since she'll do it after leaving [=WindClan=], wouldn't it be logical to have her point of view showing her journey and the awe she feels at discovering the Moonstone? She could still have a P.O.V. in ''Dawn of the Clans'' 6, but I doubt that she'll discover the Moonstone there simply because it's the climax and the story wouldn't have enough time to set things up.
146	* Jossed. The point of views remain the same after "The First Battle". However, Moth Flight has gotten her own Super Edition!
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148	[[WMG:The Clans will each have about 10 cats to begin with]]
149	Yes, the Clans in the main series are much larger. But that can come with time. At the end of ''The Sun Trail'', we have 22 characters hanging around the forest. If the Erins want to avoid having too many characters and losing focus, then they shouldn't introduce too many more. This way, they could introduce, say, 20 characters in each of the next two books, leaving them room for more deaths and characters not joining the Clans.
150	* As of the end of ''The First Battle'', there are about 30 cats that can potentially be Clan cats. Unless there is a massive influx of characters in ''The Blazing Star'', the starting Clans will probably be smaller than that.
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152	[[WMG:Mothflight will discover the Moonstone in ''Dawn of the Clans'', but it will be offscreen]]
153	The Erins want to do a Mothflight Super Edition, and it's likely to be the 2015 Super Edition that Kate is writing. However, if the release schedule's pattern stays consistent, then the 2015 Super Edition will come out between ''Dawn of the Clans'' 5 and ''Dawn of the Clans'' 6. Cloudspots and Dapplepelt were set up in ''The Sun Trail'', and if the Mothflight Super Edition takes place after ''Dawn of the Clans'' 6, it will contain spoilers. Therefore, one of the books will probably have Wind exile Mothflight, only for her to return later, having found the Moonstone. This will become a plot point, but Mothflight's story will only be told in full in the Super Edition.
154	* Jossed by "Moth Flight's Vision". This Super Edition comes out after "Path of Stars", and takes place after the said book.
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156	[[WMG:The "bad thing" Pebble Heart dreams about is a horde of foxes]]
157	It's already been established that there are foxes lurking around the forest, and they have had an impact on both books in the series so far. There has to be a final battle where the Clans prove that they can survive, and foxes seem to be an appropriate enemy. Foxes just seem like an appropriate major threat for this arc.
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159	[[WMG:Gray Wing and Turtle Tail will die in ''The First Battle'']]
160	It's confirmed the book where the Clans are founded, but Gray Wing isn't going to be a leader. As well, there's been foreshadowing of this throughout both ''The Sun Trail'' and ''Thunder Rising''. And in ''The First Battle'', Gray Wing seems to be the only reason Thunder is still on the moor. If Gray Wing dies, Thunder will leave. Plus, Pebble Heart's dreams ("Kin shouldn't fight!" and "You and Turtle Tail were both gone") imply that they will die. One more thing: In ''The Ultimate Guide'', every "Early Settler" profile mentions what they did after the battle (Thunder, Clear Sky, Tall Shadow, River Ripple, and Wind Runner founded a Clan, Jagged Peak raised a family on the moor, Frost lived out his life on the moor, Dappled Pelt joined [=RiverClan=], Cloud Spots joined [=ThunderClan=], Gorse Fur lived life on the moor with Wind Runner). However, Gray Wing's profile uses ambiguous wording ("Although he never became a leader, Gray Wing would be known to later generations as Graywing the Wise") to avoid telling us if he survives the battle, and Turtle Tail's profile ends with Gray Wing becoming her mate, never even mentioning the battle.
161	* Split between jossed and confirmed. Gray Wing doesn't die in ''The First Battle'' (not to say he can't die later), while Turtle Tail does.
162	** He does die at the end of ''Path of Stars''.
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164	[[WMG:Wind is pregnant in ''The First Battle'']]
165	The preview chapters repeatedly refer to her as "plump", when she's usually wiry. Plus, she has to have Moth Flight sometime.
166	* Confirmed. She gives birth to four kits, one of them clearly Moth Flight, in ''The First Battle''.
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168	[[WMG:Rabbittail will appear in the series]]
169	With Mothflight confirmed, the lost tunneler is one of the few early days cats that isn't known to be in the series. The Erins are putting basically everyone in, so why not him? He could possibly be Moth Flight's brother.
170	* It's possible. Wind Runner has two unnamed sons in ''The First Battle''. One of them could be him.
171	** Rabbittail being Wind Runner's kit is now jossed, as Kate has confirmed that the unnamed kits are called Dust Muzzle and Morning Whisker.
172	*** Jossed. Rabbittail never appears, even in the lore.
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174	[[WMG:Thunder and Lightning Tail will come into conflict with each other at some point]]
175	Lightning Tail is going to be Thunder's deputy, but he won't be leader. Him becoming some kind of enemy to Thunder could explain it. As well, it would nicely mirror Gray Wing and Clear Sky's relationship.
176	* They do have a conflict in "The Blazing Star". However, it gets resolved by the end of the book.
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178	[[WMG:Tall Shadow is a Point of View Character in ''The First Battle'']]
179	Yes, with four point of views it could lead to a cramped affair like ''Night Whispers'', but she is on the cover.
180	* Jossed. Only Thunder, Gray Wing, Clear Sky, and Wind Runner (in the Bonus Scene) are POV characters in ''The First Battle''. However, she will be a point of view character in ''A Forest Divided''.
181	* Jossed. She does, however, get her own novella.
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183	[[WMG:Gray Wing's mate is Tall Shadow]]
184	Kate confirmed that Gray Wing will be getting another mate and will have kits with her, and the only mateless she-cats that are around his age are Tall Shadow, Quick Water, Dappled Pelt, and Petal. Since Petal hates him and has UnresolvedSexualTension with Clear Sky, Dappled Pelt is a medicine cat and probably won't be taking a mate, and Quick Water is a bit player who is part of the Forest Group, Tall Shadow seems like the logical choice. As well, Gray Wing is one of the few cats that Tall Shadow is comfortable opening up to, and he's been praising her since ''The Sun Trail''. Also, Tall Shadow is the only one of the five Clan Founders who doesn't have a love interest (Clear Sky has Petal, Wind Runner has Gorse Fur, Thunder has Acorn Fur, and River Ripple has Nightheart), so it seems likely that she could get one.
185	* Jossed by Kate. Gray Wing's mate is introduced in ''The Blazing Star''.
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187	[[WMG: Gray Wing will be called out for keeping Slash a secret]]
188	Clear Sky especially will be angry with him.
189	* Jossed
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191	[[WMG: Gray Wing will die in Path of Stars]]
192	The final battle for the survival of the clans has to come at a significant price for both the characters and the readers, since it's a ForegoneConclusion that the clans will form. Gray Wing is the only one who has been a main character for the whole arc, has strong to ties to each of the five groups, and doesn't go on to hold a major title in the future of the clans.
193	* [[spoiler:Sadly confirmed]]

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