| 1 | [[index]] |
| 2 | * WMG/MiraculousLadybugConfirmedAndJossedTheories |
| 3 | * WMG/MiraculousLadybugMarinetteAndAdrien |
| 4 | * WMG/MiraculousLadybugTheMiraculousAndTheirHolders |
| 5 | * WMG/MiraculousLadybugTheVillains |
| 6 | [[/index]] |
| 7 | |
| 8 | [[foldercontrol]] |
| 9 | |
| 10 | ! Characters |
| 11 | [[folder: Chloé Bourgeois]] |
| 12 | [[WMG: Chloé will have a FaceHeelTurn by the end of Season 3.]] |
| 13 | * Judging by the events of Miraculer, and going by the fact that she still hasn't [[TookALevelInKindness become a significantly better person]], it's possible that she'll join Hawk Moth and Mayura and declare war on Ladybug. |
| 14 | * What's more, if the spoilers regarding [[spoiler: ''someone else'' becoming the Bee Miraculous holder/Queen Bee]] are true, Chloé could become '''extremely''' embittered by, what she views as, a slight on Ladybug's part and join Hawk Moth. |
| 15 | * Confirmed. |
| 16 | [[WMG: Chloé will have a JerkassRealization.]] |
| 17 | Specifically, it will dawn on the AlphaBitch just how much BeingEvilSucks. It will happen something like this: Chloé announces that she will be throwing a party, most likely for her birthday, and starts tempting her classmates to jump through hoops for an invitation. Naturally, she ignores everyone's complaints about being baited like dogs, until Adrien, who's already having a bad day, is finally pushed to the brink and essentially tells his semi-friend to get over herself. At the party, Chloé is shocked to find that, aside from Sabrina and her father's employees, NO-ONE shows up. At first, she decides that she didn't want the riffraff at her party anyway, but she eventually gets sick of hearing nothing but "Whatever you want, Chloé." and starts thinking that maybe it's better to be around real people rather than sycophants. All this will be the first step on her road to CharacterDevelopment. |
| 18 | * Or she might get confronted by someone who's an even bigger AlphaBitch than she is, only in a BitchInSheepsClothing way. This girl shows up at school and at first, Chloé thinks the world of her, even if she's got the odd habit of treating her "inferiors" well...until the new girl goes on a date with Adrien, that eventually spins into several dates. Furious that someone would steal her Adrien, Chloé does some digging and discovers that the new girl is blackmailing Adrien, stumbling upon them having an argument that makes what she's doing clear without giving away what her dirt is (as it would probably be him being Cat Noir). Chloé tries to get help but no one believes her since Chloé has been her normal self and the new girl has been treating everyone sweetly. Desperate, Chloé ends up going to Marinette who only believes her for Adrien's sake and makes that clear. Chloé ends up gaining respect for Marinette and even has the beginning of a HeelRealization about her constant fawning over Adrien since it's becoming quite clear that he's not interested in her romantically. |
| 19 | * Or, she gets a Miraculous (like the bee) and after the first few times she slowly realizes the Akumas are all people she annoyed/insulted earlier. It may take a bit, but she will soon realize almost everything with the akumas is her fault, or at least she contributes heavily and that will cause her HeelFaceTurn. After all, fighting classmates personally and watching them detransform is different from cheering Ladybug on from afar. |
| 20 | * She kinda gets a short-lived variation at the end of "Zombizou". Sure she admits to Miss Bustier that it's her fault she was akumatized and forgot it was her birthday, but she refuses to admit it to the rest of the class. Marinette (who saw as Ladybug) realizes that Chloé does have the potential to be a good person, if she is set a positive example. |
| 21 | |
| 22 | [[WMG:Chloé dyes her hair.]] |
| 23 | So she can undergo a ExpositoryHairstyleChange during or after a HeelFaceTurn. |
| 24 | * Technically it's called bleaching if you mean she currently does something to her hair. |
| 25 | * Possibly this, or she gets an ImportantHaircut |
| 26 | |
| 27 | [[WMG:Marinette committed some slight against Chloé in the past.]] |
| 28 | Chloé is generally insufferable to everyone around her, but it's clear that she consciously ''tries'' to torment Marinette. It is possible that the time they first came into contact around four years ago, Marinette innocently did or said something that angered Chloé enough to declare vengeance, and she has never realized. Of course, it's still Chloé's fault for being [[EvilIsPetty petty]] enough to hold the grudge for this long, but if Marinette learns of what happened and has the humility to apologize for it, it could be the start of the girls mending their fences. |
| 29 | * She might just be jealous of Marinette. After all, Marinette is very talented and her family is very close. |
| 30 | |
| 31 | [[WMG:The basis for Chloé's crush on Adrien.]] |
| 32 | We have no idea why or for how long Chloé's mother has been out of the picture, but say that it's been much longer than the four or five years since Adrien's mother disappeared, around kindergarten or grade school. As a little girl who had everything in life besides a mother figure, Chloé quickly latched onto the sweet, beautiful mother of her friend Adrien. So much so that she declared her intentions to grow up and marry Adrien so his mother would become hers. Being the SpoiledBrat she is, Chloé immaturely holds onto her childhood dream even though the true object of her desire has vanished. |
| 33 | |
| 34 | [[WMG:A key part of Chloé's redemption arc will be a reunion with her MissingMom.]] |
| 35 | Mrs. Bourgeois has been absent ever since essentially abandoning Chloé at a young age, but she makes an unexpected appearance in an episode with the declaration of wanting to reconnect. Unfortunately, this is all revealed to be a ruse: Her mother was and still is an egotistic GoldDigger who married André in the first place because, like with their daughter, he has always catered to her every whim, and she's back to exploit money, political influence or publicity. Even if she has some maternal love for Chloé, it's not enough to make the woman want to change her ways. Chloé will be struck with the painful realization that [[ShadowArchetype her mother is precisely what she is in danger of becoming]], so she [[CallingTheOldManOut rips the bi-atch a new one for being so selfish and manipulative]], and starts taking the steps to ensure she never falls so low. |
| 36 | * Alternatively, Chloé will be overcome with hurt upon realizing the kind of woman her mother is and [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness breaks down crying]]. If Marinette can be witness to this, it would turn her perception of Chloé right on its head. |
| 37 | * I like this idea, and the idea that her mom is a terrible person, but I prefer to think that Mme Bourgeois comes from old money herself and is a cold, haughty fashion model. I like to think that Chloé is the way she is because she's constantly trying to impress her mother, who has never felt Chloé is good enough. It matches with how Chloé is so desperate for attention and to be the best and most impressive person, and why Chloé never talks about her. |
| 38 | * Jossed. Reuniting her with her MissingMom only made her worse over time. |
| 39 | |
| 40 | [[WMG:Chloé will fail to bully Lila.]] |
| 41 | 90% of Chloé's submission tactics is to play the Mayor's daughter card, but if there's one person who Mayor Bourgeois wouldn't want to get on the bad side of, it's a foreign diplomat like Lila's parent(s)...provided that what Alya said about Lila's parentage actually was the truth, of course. After being told by André that the Rossis are not to be so much as irked, Chloé begrudgingly leaves Lila alone. |
| 42 | * It doesn't need to be so complex. Lila could just be wholly unaffected by Chloé. |
| 43 | * Confirmed. |
| 44 | |
| 45 | [[WMG: Chloé has a InferioritySuperiorityComplex]] |
| 46 | That is, Chloé does truly believe she's beloved and the best, but does not think this is enough. This is slightly hinted at by how she actively tries to be the best even though she clearly already thinks she is, as well as how often she states that she's loved and "the best". She seems to truly believe it, and yet, she constantly tries to make people like her and have people say she's "the best". Even though she truly seems to believe she's popular, she still feels the need to try and get rid of her competition and buy popularity. This may also be the driving force behind her crush on Adrien, who is a young, extremely talented, handsome model who makes it seem like his life is perfect. She likes him because he's got the things she's looking for. Genuine popularity and talent, for instance. Chloé also noticeably never does anything herself, preferring to use people who she knows can do it to handle things for her, like Sabrina and Marinette. Chloé's mother, whom we have not yet seen, may be the driving force behind this. [[WellDoneSonGuy She may directly or indirectly make Chloé think she'll never be good enough in her mother's eyes]], even though Chloé tries very hard for it. André is almost so nice a parent, with a slight strict streak, that I can't help but wonder if his wife is very different from him. |
| 47 | |
| 48 | [[WMG: Chloé will completely fail to maintain a secret identity once she gets the Bee Miraculous.]] |
| 49 | Because even after a HeelFaceTurn, her ego will still be massive enough that on some level she'll ''want'' everybody to know that the new superhero is her. |
| 50 | * Knowing Chloé, she'll just announce it immediately, no HeelFaceTurn needed. |
| 51 | * Confirmed. The first thing she does after getting the Bee Miraculous is to scream at the top of her lungs that she's Queen Bee. |
| 52 | |
| 53 | [[WMG: Chloé will slowly lose everything over the course of Season 4, leading a massive BreakTheHaughty.]] |
| 54 | As of "Queen Banana", her rotten and entitled personality has isolated her from her classmates even more, her half-sister is receiving all the attention and love she wants, and her father angrily refuses to get rid of Zoé because he won't hurt her for Chloé's sake. [[spoiler: She even broke off her friendship with Adrien when he refused to side with her for her stubbornness and {{Jerkass}} attitude about sabotaging the student movie.]] Something huge will happen that leads Sabrina to finally grow a backbone and abandon Chloé for better friends and being treated like a human being. And that will be the straw that breaks the camel's back for Chloé. |
| 55 | * Confirmed. Chloé's enhanced brattiness throughout Season 4 and alliance with Lila in Season 5 causes Adrien to give up on ever reconciling with her, Sabrina to abandon her after one of her and Lila schemes against Marinette goes way too far. Later, Gabriel and Lila set her up to become a secretly super-empowered mayor of Paris, only to abandon her when the populace turns on her, which leads to her being deposed, stripped of all her power, and finally be exiled from Paris altogether in disgrace with her mother as the most hated person there. Marinette standing up to her one last time afterwards is what finally breaks Chloé's ego and pride. |
| 56 | |
| 57 | [[WMG: Chloé will reject her Miraculous, at least at first]] |
| 58 | Assuming the Bee is simply not capable of being a solo act, nor is its hero ever meant to be part of the spotlight. Chloé is at first delighted to become a superhero (after getting over the shock of Pollen), but quickly learns that not only is it not all fun and games, but she can't even be the star. The Bee is meant to support, not act. Since Chloé is all about attention, she rejects her Miraculous. However, she does attempt to get it back and fails, forcing her to actually ''ask'' for it back. |
| 59 | * Jossed. She jumps at the call, with disastrous consequences. |
| 60 | |
| 61 | [[WMG: Chloé will have to make a HeroicSacrifice]] |
| 62 | If she gets CharacterDevelopment and goes through HeelFaceTurn, that is. There are two ways this may occur: |
| 63 | * It will come ''before'' she gets her Miraculous. Maybe she will find out about Ladybug's or Cat Noir's secret identity, through considering that she is Adrien's childhood friend, it's likely going to be the latter. Then later, Hawk Moth will ask her to give her their Miraculous in exchange for something of hers - at best something like her wealth and at worst her freedom. After seeing her selfless sacrifice, Master Fu will give her a Miraculous and somehow, the ResetButton will be pushed as well and she will get back what she lost. |
| 64 | * It will come ''after'' she gets her Miraculous. At first, she will be an AntiHero who only fights evil for fame, but eventually, someone she cares about - Adrien, Sabrina, her father, etc. - will be kidnapped by Hawk Moth, who will ask her to give up her Miraculous in exchange for their lifes - maybe the other Miraculous holders will be in a similar position, which will result in an arc where Marinette, Adrien and Chloé will have to save Paris without any powers. |
| 65 | * Jossed. She ended up being a villain. |
| 66 | |
| 67 | [[WMG: Chloé is insane.]] |
| 68 | * Not in an InsaneEqualsViolent way, of course, but with a massive case of BelievingTheirOwnLies. That is why she does things like insist that she hadn't offended anyone recently in "Antibug" even though she'd just had a fight with Sabrina, or thinking that everyone loves her despite the fact that everyone else can see the whole class hates her, or insisting that she and Ladybug are best buds even though they barely know each other. She isn't an idiot, or even lying in the normal sense, she literally can't tell the difference between her fantasies and reality. Her father doesn't grasp just how bad the situation is, and is therefore enabling her delusions because he doesn't know what else to do. |
| 69 | ** This also explains why Ladybug calling her out broke her so utterly in ''Antibug''. She couldn't deny or explain her way around what she was hearing, so she was forced to confront the actual truth. And then by the end she'd managed to repress the realization, and was back to normal. |
| 70 | |
| 71 | [[WMG:Chloé is a TakeThat at the {{Superhero}} genre's MisaimedFandom.]] |
| 72 | Pretty much everyone knows them - the guy or girl who goes out to see ''Film/{{Thor}}'' or ''Film/{{Captain America|TheFirstAvenger}}'' and goes on and on about how cool and powerful the character is and how they're such a huge fan, only to then spend the whole night moaning and ranting because on the way back from the movie theater some "smelly homeless bum" dared to ask them for a single penny on their "hard-earned" allowance from daddy. |
| 73 | |
| 74 | Pretty much describes Chloé to a tee. She loves Ladybug and is fond of calling herself the superhero's "most devoted fan" but doesn't have any understanding of the actual heroic traits that make Ladybug the hero. In fact she utterly despises Ladybug's civilian persona Marinette specifically because Marinette possesses those same heroic qualities. It's obvious she only likes Ladybug because Ladybug is popular. |
| 75 | [[/folder]] |
| 76 | |
| 77 | [[folder: Nino Lahiffe]] |
| 78 | [[WMG: Nino has AbusiveParents]] |
| 79 | Forgive me if I sound like I'm overanalyzing a bit, but this is something I noticed when I watched The Bubbler. Nino is so quick and ready to judge every parent in Paris based on the actions of one adult, and it seems so petty. But what if it isn't? What if Nino was abused by his own parents? It explains why he acts extremely out of character when Gabriel shuts him out. His anger could be interpreted as a BigBrotherInstinct towards Adrien trying to protect him (and let's be honest here, Gabe is abusive). Nino also acts incredibly mature for his age (hey, those "Dad Nino" memes aren't for nothing) at least when you compare it to the other kids of his class. |
| 80 | |
| 81 | [[WMG: Nino will have a special, deep hatred for [[AlphaBitch Lila]] [[AttentionWhore Rossi]]]] |
| 82 | It makes sense. Since Alya is his girlfriend and Lila is Alya's EvilCounterpart and complete opposite, it would be fine and fitting for Lila to be his most hated person ever. |
| 83 | * Makes sense from another angle, too - promo material for Season 2 has indicated that Lila will try to manipulate Adrien to keep him all to herself. Nino took it personally when Gabriel denied Adrien a party, so someone deliberately harming his bestie? Yeah, Lila's ''definitely'' going to end up on Nino's shitlist. |
| 84 | ** {{Jossed}}. In "Oni-Chan", Nino talks to Lila about howher mother is attending a fancy gala and she wants to attend but she needs to be caught up on her schoolwork. Nino kindly offers her that he'll tell Adrien a good word about her to help her catch up. |
| 85 | ** However, in "Miraculer", Lila tells Gabriel Agreste that "Adrien could do much better than Nino". Despite Nino's kindness to her, this just shows how ungrateful of a person Lila is. |
| 86 | |
| 87 | [[WMG:Adrien will tell Nino he's Cat Noir.]] |
| 88 | For one thing Marinette has already told Alya she's Ladybug and Nino told Adrien he and Aliya are Rena Rouge and Carapace, making him pretty annoyed that they get to know each others identities while Ladybug strictly forces him to secrecy. This will eat away at him until he breaks down and tells Nino he's Cat Noir. Nino will probably tell Alya this putting her in the very uncomfortable position of knowing both Marinnete and Adrien's secret identities and [[TwoPersonLoveTriangle Two Person Love Square]] but not being able to tell them. |
| 89 | ** Since season 5, Adrien and Marinette are a loving couple in their civilian identities, so there's no more Two Person Love Square anymore. Their secret identities are now not an obstacle in their relationship. If anything, Alya knowing both itentities would make her a weak link, the one who could spill the beans |
| 90 | [[/folder]] |
| 91 | |
| 92 | [[folder: Kagami Tsurugi]] |
| 93 | [[WMG: Kagami will eventually become Ladybug's SecretKeeper]] |
| 94 | And by the [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments most over-the-top]] ContrivedCoincidence possible. |
| 95 | * Confirmed. This is exactly what "Representation" showed to have happened. |
| 96 | |
| 97 | [[WMG: She will become the main SpannerInTheWorks to the vengeful Lila.]] |
| 98 | [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome And it will be glorious.]] |
| 99 | * Jossed. If anything, Kagami got manipulated by Lila even more heavily than everyone else, as she made her doubt her friendship with Marinette and vulnerable to Akumatization more than once. |
| 100 | |
| 101 | [[WMG: Her [[spoiler:relationship with Adrien won't last.]]]] |
| 102 | * As much as she likes him, she will eventually discover [[spoiler:his former feelings for Ladybug. Or his feelings for Ladybug won't have truly died down]]. |
| 103 | * Or, alternatively, he will find out somehow that [[spoiler:Marinette had feelings for him, and this will make him conflicted]]. |
| 104 | * Or, he won't find out that [[spoiler:Marinette had feelings for him, but he will start to notice her instead]]. Perhaps while disguised as Cat Noir. |
| 105 | * [[spoiler: Or his feelings for Kagami won't really deepen, and Kagami will realize this.]] |
| 106 | * [[spoiler: Or he will hesitate too much, and Kagami will find his less assertive nature to be a turn-off. Especially if he fails to keep boundaries in place with either Chloé or Lila, or if he doesn't stand up to them when they mistreat others.]] |
| 107 | * [[spoiler: Another reason it won't last: at this point, they're literally copying ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil''. Star and Marco had their own love interests (Tom for Star, Jackie and later Kelly for Marco), but by the end of the series, Star/Marco (or [[CouplePormanteauName Starco]] was 100% canon. The same thing's gonna happen with Adrien and Marinette.]] |
| 108 | * [[spoiler: Confirmed. They did break up but for none of the reasons stated above. Kagami was disappointed in Adrien because [[TheMasqueradeWillKillYourDatingLife he kept lying to her in order to protect his secret identity]]; and because [[LovingAShadow she did not like his true self.]] In addition to this, Kagami admits later that this is Marinette who is the perfect match for Adrien despite the latter have yet to discover it.]] |
| 109 | |
| 110 | [[WMG: Kagami is connected to a past Dragon Miraculous holder.]] |
| 111 | As [[https://bookdragonlibrary.tumblr.com/post/616856677729402880/thechatsmeow-miscellaneous-miraculous this Tumblr post]] pointed out, the symbol on her mom's car is very similar to that of the Dragon Miraculous. Kagami could be a descendant of a previous wielder. |
| 112 | |
| 113 | [[WMG:Kagami will break up with Félix]] |
| 114 | * Félix may seem like he's fighting for his and Adrien's freedom now. But eventually his own desire and goals will become more important and he will turn into a full out villain. This will of course leave Kagami dumped and heartbroken. |
| 115 | ** Alternatively Kagami will realize that she has accidentally been using him as a replacement for Adrien, realizing that she still has feelings for Adrien and that eacute;lix is not as she imagined, which he will not take well. |
| 116 | ** While a Féligami break up in the future could be possible, Félix becoming a full blown villain probably isn't feasible anymore considering that he now not only knows Ladybug's identity, but also has the Miraculous with which he could kill Adrien with a snap of his fingers, which would realistically leave the main heroes helpless against him. |
| 117 | [[/folder]] |
| 118 | |
| 119 | [[folder:Luka Couffaine]] |
| 120 | [[WMG: Luka and Marinette might end up looking LikeAnOldMarriedCouple.]] |
| 121 | [[{{Foil}} Unlike Kagami and Adrien]] - [[CommonalityConnection who]] [[{{Foil}} are arguably]] BirdsOfAFeather - Luka and Marinette [[TheyReallyDoLoveEachOther will be constantly bickering but ultimately respectful and caring of each other]]. |
| 122 | * [[spoiler: Jossed. They broke-up so early that they did not have the time to develop such a dynamic- or any.]] |
| 123 | |
| 124 | [[WMG: [[HoYay Luka will develop a fond streak for Cat Noir]], similarly to [[LesYay Kagami and Ladybug]].]] |
| 125 | Specifically, CutenessProximity will result in Luka wanting to pet [[CuddleBug and hug]] [[CatBoy Cat Noir]]. Bonus points if that ends up as a RunningGag whenever the two them meet. |
| 126 | * Similarly to Kagami and Ladybug how? What LesYay are you talking about? |
| 127 | ** Try the HoYay [[HoYay/MiraculousLadybug page]]. |
| 128 | ** Ironically, it is their ''civilian personas'' who end up getting along from the get-go. |
| 129 | |
| 130 | [[WMG: Luka has an UnmanlySecret or two.]] |
| 131 | The punk/goth motif is just a facade, and he is more akin to [[VideoGame/Persona4 Kanji Tatsumi]]. His {{Mangst}} would be reason he turns into an Akuma. Overcoming his internal insecurities will also be his overall character arc. |
| 132 | |
| 133 | [[WMG: Luka will be a happy medium of Cat Noir and Adrien]] |
| 134 | Kagami is something like this to Marinette and Ladybug, being sweet, gentle, awkward, and considerate like Marinette and level-headed, confident, authoritative, bossy, and strict like Ladybug. Luka will balance out Adrien and Cat Noir, being funny, witty, laid-back, and playful like Cat Noir and subdued, polite, friendly, and respectful like Adrien. |
| 135 | |
| 136 | [[WMG: Luka's Akuma will go into his earrings.]] |
| 137 | Kagami's akuma went into her ring and as Marinette's foil it the likely location. |
| 138 | * Jossed. It went into the mask he was holding. |
| 139 | |
| 140 | [[WMG: Luka is a changeling.]] |
| 141 | * Bright blue hair is not a normal color for humans, and that odd ability he has to read people's emotions hints at something supernatural in his makeup. And there's just something... off about the way he moves and talks. |
| 142 | ** Luka's hair is pretty clearly dyed, like his sister's. |
| 143 | ** The series seems to have "anime rules" for hair, as Marinette(and several other characters, like her mom or Mireille) has blue hair, Alix pink hair, Nathaniel bright red hair and even Miss Mendeliev has purple hair. |
| 144 | [[/folder]] |
| 145 | |
| 146 | [[folder:Emilie Agreste]] |
| 147 | |
| 148 | [[WMG: The missing blue Miraculous belonged to Adrien's mother.]] |
| 149 | |
| 150 | She used to be a superheroine, but something went down related to it and she went missing. Gabriel is well aware of this, which is why he takes great measures to keep Adrien sheltered and has a notably surprised reaction when he recognizes his son's ring. |
| 151 | * WMG version 1: Assuming Gabriel is Hawk Moth, perhaps he used to be her partner (using Nooroo and the Butterfly Miraculous), and is trying to get his hands on LB and CN's Miraculous in order to find/avenge her. |
| 152 | * WMG version 2: Assuming Gabriel ''isn't'' Hawk Moth, he's just a well-meaning but kind of terrible dad who has no idea how to reach out to his son and explain his mother's disappearance to him. |
| 153 | ** [[spoiler: '''Possibly confirmed.''' As of ''Volpina'', the blue peacock miraculous has been shown stored in a secret safe in the Agreste mansion, located behind the portrait of Adrien's mother. Near the miraculous is a photo of her. This could imply that it belonged to her before she disappeared. Which version is more accurate is not yet clear, but Adrien has seen the miraculous (and possibly identified it using the book he took out of the safe), with Gabriel remaining unaware of this for now.]] |
| 154 | ** [[spoiler: Related to the above, Gabriel is Hawk Moth, but wasn't involved with the miraculous prior to Adrien's mother's disappearance. She was the "wrong choice" that Master Fu made, and after she died/abandoned her duties as a miraculous holder this drove Gabriel to learn about the miraculous and seek out the butterfly one. (Why the peacock one didn't work for him is unclear, but possibly it he left it alone out of respect for her.) If he was previously a miraculous holder, the exposition that Nooroo gave to him at the beginning of ''Ladybug and Cat Noir (Origins – Part 1)'' seems ludicrous, even invoking AsYouKnow.]] |
| 155 | * [[spoiler: Possibly confirmed. Emilie's coma was caused by the Peacock Miraculous, likely because she was using it but not confirmed precisely.]] |
| 156 | |
| 157 | [[WMG: Gabriel Agreste is Hawk Moth, and Emilie was the owner of the Peacock Miraculous.]] |
| 158 | They knew the last generation of Ladybug and Cat and fought with them. Everyone but the turtle and butterfly Miraculous users died in some calamity. Gabriel demanded the god-like power of Ladybug and Cat Noir's Miraculous to bring Emilie back to life, but this was taboo, so Master Fu hid the remaining Miraculous away from Gabriel. |
| 159 | |
| 160 | This is how Hawk Moth knew about Adrien and Marinette's Miraculous, and their combined power, from the beginning. How would he know about their god-like power if he'd never seen either of them before? |
| 161 | |
| 162 | This is also why Emilie 'disappeared'. She really died, but her cause of death being the same as Peacock's would arouse suspicion, so he had to pretend she disappeared. Its also possible she died as Peacock in a way that destroyed her body. |
| 163 | |
| 164 | Finally, he created an Akuma that seems suspiciously similar to the theme of a known Miraculous. A fox-themed hero with a necklace. This indicates that he's likely taken inspiration from a possible former ally. |
| 165 | |
| 166 | * This seems unlikely, after Origins specifies that the Moth Miraculous was lost long enough that it was thought to be "lost forever". It also shows that Gabriel knows about the vixen superheroine because he had the book. |
| 167 | * Confirmed. |
| 168 | |
| 169 | [[WMG:Nathalie and Emilie were friends.]] |
| 170 | The disappearance of Adrien's mother greatly affected her husband and son's lives for the worse. Why not assistant Nathalie as well, depending on how long she has been in the Agrestes' employment. It would give new meaning to her name, Sancoeur, meaning "heartless." Is an aloof disposition her natural state, or has she just lost the person who was her heart? |
| 171 | * Confirmed in season 5. |
| 172 | |
| 173 | [[WMG:Emilie was/[[DisneyDeath is]] a PungeonMaster.]] |
| 174 | Adrien letting loose his love of pun humour as Cat Noir is him tapping into his happy memories of his mother and honouring her. If Gabriel is Hawk Moth, then he is doing the same. |
| 175 | |
| 176 | [[WMG:If Emilie returns, she and Gabriel will eventually have a second child.]] |
| 177 | What few details that have been released say the Agrestes are/were HappilyMarried, and it is heavily implied that hypothetical Gabriel-as-Hawk Moth's motivation is his wife's return. Besides, how amazing would Adrien would be as a big brother? |
| 178 | |
| 179 | [[WMG: Agreste is a NomDeMom.]] |
| 180 | Tying to the theory that Gabriel and his missing wife were a case of UptownGirl while courting, Gabriel was from a much lower class than his wife and among the concessions marrying her required, taking her family name was one of them. |
| 181 | |
| 182 | [[WMG: Adrien's mansion comes from his mother's side of the family.]] |
| 183 | If the theory about Gabriel Agreste being a poor man who made a fortune to [[UptownGirl impress his loved one]] turns out to be true, it'll be eventually revealed the mansion where he lives belongs to Emilie and, once she's LegallyDead, it'll belong to Adrien. Gabriel has a place of his own but rented it to a tenant after moving into the manor. |
| 184 | |
| 185 | [[WMG:As a young BattleCouple, Gabriel and his wife were the reverse of LB and CN.]] |
| 186 | It's a common aspect within the "The Agrestes are in previous Miraculous holder generation" theory: Gabriel was in love with his classmate, while the future Mrs. Agreste was head over heels for her superhero partner. |
| 187 | * If the above "NomDeMom" theory and the UptownGirl theory are true, it's probably even for the same reason as LB and CN's interactions. Adrien's future mom was the girl with everything except someone who cared for her for her and her partner provided that in the same way LB does for CN while Gabriel kept getting tongue-tied around Miss Perfect. |
| 188 | |
| 189 | [[WMG: Emilie was kidnapped.]] |
| 190 | She didn't so much disappear in the same sense that is talked about on this page, where she up and vanished, but rather she was kidnapped by either [[IHaveYourWife someone who forced Gabriel Agreste to take up the position as Hawk Moth and obtain the missing Miraculous to get her back]], or if it isn't Gabriel, [[HopelessSuitor Hawk Moth]] [[{{Yandere}} himself]] [[IfICantHaveYou kidnapped her because he's in love with her]] and became Hawk Moth to keep her. In the latter case, he wants the Black Cat and Ladybug Miraculous to force her to love him. In the former, the kidnapper likely wants power. Gabriel wants them in exchange for his wife or possibly to use their power to bring her back to him safely. |
| 191 | |
| 192 | [[WMG: Mrs Agreste disappeared after turning into a super villain]] |
| 193 | Be it because her BattleCouple husband was forced to (knowingly or otherwise) take her down, or she was EvilAllAlong unbeknownst to her {{muggle}} husband, her disappearance was caused by past Miraculous holders being forced to eliminate her in some capacity. She may still be alive, but sans Miraculous. Waiting for revenge. |
| 194 | |
| 195 | [[WMG: Mr and Mrs Agreste were never a BattleCouple, but they will be a team of supervillains.]] |
| 196 | That is, Mrs Agreste is Mayura, and Gabriel is Hawk Moth. But Hawk Moth won't know Mayura is his wife. They will be an EvilDuo, with Hawk Moth as the [[RedOniBlueOni Red Oni]] [[TheDragon Dragon]] to Mayura's [[RedOniBlueOni Blue Oni]] [[TheBaroness Baroness]] DarkMagicalGirl BigBad. If it is her, it creates a cruel twist of irony assuming he turned to villainy to get her back from wherever she is. |
| 197 | |
| 198 | [[WMG: Mrs Agreste is not missing, that is a lie]] |
| 199 | Adrien says she's missing and while WordOfGod seems to say the same, that same WordOfGod is a TrollingCreator, so we can't say for sure he's telling the truth. However, I propose that Gabriel knows perfectly well where Mrs Agreste is- she is in Tibet. I find it peculiar that Gabriel has a photo of her in his safe, but there's photos and paintings all over the house. Moreover, that photo is sitting on the shelf among the stuff from Tibet and the Miraculous book (as well as the Peacock Brooch). Mr and Mrs Agreste went to Tibet for something related to the Miraculouses, though not necessarily at the same time. He likely joined her. Whatever they were doing forced Mrs Agreste to need to stay behind in Tibet, with only Gabriel knowing what is going on. Whatever she is doing, it's a secret. As such, Gabriel had to tell Adrien that Mrs Agreste is missing. Any of his wistful looks to her image is him missing her. This is also why he is not there even though Adrien needs him- Gabriel cannot relate because he knows where she is, and he likely feels guilt over lying to his son. His change in personality (according to Adrien) is a result of that guilt and not wanting to give anything away. This may relate to my above WMG about Gabriel being Hawk Moth but his goals having nothing or very little to do with Mrs Agreste. If Gabriel is not Hawk Moth, then it justifies his rage at having the Miraculous Book stolen and [[spoiler: the resulting akumatisation]]- it relates to what his wife is doing, and Adrien stealing it might put Adrien in jeopardy. [[spoiler: He gets akumatised, or akumatises himself, in order to get the book back. In the event he akumatises himself, he can't exactly go out as Gabriel or Hawk Moth to get the book, after all]]. |
| 200 | |
| 201 | [[WMG: Like her husband and son, Mrs Agreste has a unisex name]] |
| 202 | Adrien and Gabriel are names that can be used for boys and girls (though Gabriel is typically the masculine spelling, with "Gabrielle" being the feminine spelling, but the original spelling is not unheard of for a girl). Thus, it's possible Mrs Agreste likewise follows this theme, and has a name like Dominique, Camille, or René(e), which are also unisex. |
| 203 | * Probably not Camille, since outside France, nobody would recognise it as a unisex name, ruining the theme as much as if she were named Shirley, Kelly, or Ariel, which are best known as female names despite being unisex. Jean/Jeanne would also work as her name, but there are already one, maybe two Jeans. |
| 204 | * Jossed - her name is Emilie. |
| 205 | |
| 206 | [[WMG: Emilie will be Mayura ... and she will be evil]] |
| 207 | |
| 208 | Because how much of a kick in the nuts would it be if the supposedly TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth Emilie was just as evil as Hawk Moth? similar to the ''Anime/CodeGeass'' twist with [[spoiler:Marianne...]] |
| 209 | ** That's actually plausible. See, ''literally all'' we know about her is that she was the previous wielder of the Peacock Miraculous. She did ''something'' with it that put her in a coma, something clearly harder on her than even Nathalie's repeated use of it to send {{kaiju}} rampaging through town. See the "Adrien is a sentimonster" theory for one idea... but if he ''isn't,'' well, there's no guarantee that whatever she did with it was particularly nice. Especially since we've met two members of her family and they're ''both'' amoral schemers. (Not that you have to be just like your family, as proven by Adrien. However, it could be {{Foreshadowing}}. We hear about her only through those who loved her most, so ''on the surface'' she's perfect... meanwhile, she was the last user of the Peacock, and ''every time we've seen it used, it was being '''misused.''''' And we meet other members of her family... ''and they're no angels.'' And it's been pointed out that Adrien's isolation doesn't seem to be a thing that started with her disappearance. All this could be intended as clues that the character we actually know ''nothing'' about beyond "Adrien and Gabriel miss her" isn't actually the saint she's ''assumed'' to be, and when she wakes up, that's when the ''merde'' hits the ''ventilateur.'') |
| 210 | |
| 211 | [[WMG: Emilie is a [[Series/DoctorWho Time Lord]], specifically the Thirteenth Doctor]] |
| 212 | Thirteen's outfit in recent promotional photos looks a lot like Adrien's. Also, this it TV Tropes -- obligatory WMG/TimeLord guess is obligatory. |
| 213 | |
| 214 | [[WMG: Emilie is at least partially responsible for Adrien meeting Chloé]] |
| 215 | Gabriel doesn't seem to know her very well in "Mr. Pigeon" - while he is an aloof {{Jerkass}}, one would expect him to know his son's OnlyFriend better than that. Since Gabriel obsessively micromanages Adrien's life to the point where he wouldn't have had much opportunity to make friends on his own, arguably his best chance of making friends was his parents' associates bringing their kids over. Therefore, Emilie likely had some professional association with the Bourgeois family. It's more likely her than Gabriel because, again, he didn't know his son's longtime friend very well even by [[WhenYouComingHomeDad his]] [[{{Jerkass}} standards]]. |
| 216 | * Further evidence: [[spoiler: in "Gorizilla", the movie she appeared in was produced by A. Bourgeois, most likely one of Chloé's parents (although whether it's André or Audrey is uncertain)]]. |
| 217 | ** Though it could be [[spoiler: a family member of André's]] |
| 218 | ** [[spoiler: Sloe Crusher confirmed that Chloé's father, André, produced the movie.]] |
| 219 | |
| 220 | [[WMG: Emilie is trapped inside the Peacock Miraculous]] |
| 221 | Why else would Gabriel keep the Peacock Miraculous in a safe behind the portrait of his wife? |
| 222 | * Because it's the only safe in the house? Because it's the safe that Gabriel spends the most time around? Because that's the safest out of all the safes? Because it's an all-powerful ''Miraculous''? Because he doesn't know what else to do with it? Because he's saving it for her? Because the Miraculous reminds him of his wife? Because it's not the real Miraculous, just something important to him or his wife? Because it's not a Miraculous, it was just a famous piece from his collection that helped him make a name for himself so he wants to keep it safe? Because it was a gift from his wife? There's plenty of reasons. |
| 223 | |
| 224 | [[WMG: Emilie is suffering from some kind of DemonicPossession.]] |
| 225 | * That's what's in the vault under the Agreste manor. Emilie has been corrupted or possessed by some kind of evil power, and Gabriel wants the Miraculouses because they are the only things that can purify her again. He is keeping her (or rather, the thing that has her body) imprisoned until he can get them. |
| 226 | |
| 227 | [[WMG: The Peacock Miraculous is responsible for Emilie's current comatose state]] |
| 228 | * One use of that shit completely drained Nathalie. Overuse could easily cause longer-lasting damage to her. |
| 229 | ** [[spoiler: Confirmed in the 'Gabriel' webisode, as well as in "Feast" and "Ladybug".]]. |
| 230 | |
| 231 | [[WMG: She will be voiced by Tara Strong in the English dub.]] |
| 232 | I mean, Emilie's appearance is based on her. |
| 233 | ** Jossed. Emilie is voiced by Creator/ColleenOShaughnessy |
| 234 | |
| 235 | [[WMG: Emilie will awaken and immediately need to fight]] |
| 236 | * Hawk Moth will succeed in taking the Ladybug and Cat Miraculous, leaving Marinette and Adrien to have to fall back on the Dragon and Snake. Emilie will awaken and realise what has happened, what Gabriel has done. She'll march into the atelier and take the Peacock Miraculous, or possibly have to punch out Nathalie and take it from her. She'll transform and charge into the fight, Hawk Moth will see her and realise he's succeeded but Emilie knows what the cost was. Emilie will fight Hawk Moth, and win, and take the Miraculous from him. She'll return them to Aspik and Marinette but she'll know that reversing the Ultimate Power will send her back into her coma. She'll have a moment with Adrien before the two wear their Miraculous once more, and she'll go back to sleep. |
| 237 | -> '''Emilie''': Adrien, what happened to me was my fault. I was in that coma because I used Duusu's power. My mistake is mine to bear, no one else's. |
| 238 | |
| 239 | [[WMG: Emilie will ComeBackWrong.]] |
| 240 | * Gabriel will succeed in reviving Emilie--but something will go wrong. She'll look like her old self, but act completely differently and it'll quickly become apparent that she's far more dangerous than Hawk Moth in this state. She'll easily dispatch her husband and then try to destroy the heroes who will have to find a way to take her down. |
| 241 | [[/folder]] |
| 242 | |
| 243 | [[folder: Bourgeois Family]] |
| 244 | [[WMG:The Bourgeois are related to the [[WesternAnimation/BeverlyHillsTeens Duprees]]]] |
| 245 | It's obvious Chloé takes after Aunt Bianca. |
| 246 | |
| 247 | [[AC: André]] |
| 248 | |
| 249 | [[WMG:André Bourgeois will lose his position as mayor.]] |
| 250 | Not only is the man implied to be a SleazyPolitician, the events of "Rogercop" show that he doesn't shy away from abusing his power. Granted, he'll probably get to keep the hotel, but it will cause Chloé to lose the connections that let her get away with so many offences. Depending on how much he's found out to have embezzled, he might lose even the hotel. Either way, it'll probably make him vulnerable to akumatization. |
| 251 | * Confirmed as of Collusion. |
| 252 | |
| 253 | [[WMG: The Mayor will remarry.]] |
| 254 | Chloé will be so upset that her [[WickedStepmother "wicked"]] stepmother refuses to spoil her. |
| 255 | |
| 256 | [[WMG: André doesn't actually love Chloé; he just finds her to be a convenient prop to make himself look good.]] |
| 257 | He just throws money at Chloé to make her shut up and because she doesn't know any better, she assumes this is love. This could come out with a "truth teller" akuma that makes people blurt out truths about their darkest secrets; Chloé is devastated when she finds out she's nothing but a cheap political tactic and ironically finds her relationship with her classmates going better since all of them [[SympathyForTheDevil feel sorry for her]] [[EveryoneHasStandards since not even a jerk like Chloé deserves to have a parent who just uses her for his own benefit]]. |
| 258 | |
| 259 | Jossed in Malediktator since her leaving the city is enough to get him akumatized |
| 260 | |
| 261 | [[WMG:André is his wife's LoveMartyr.]] |
| 262 | Continuing the themes of theories about GenerationXerox in Adrien's parents, Chloé's mother [[spoiler: Audrey]] is her ShadowArchetype, and André is her Sabrina: An underling who did everything [[spoiler: Audrey]] wanted of him, no matter how unethical, only hoping for much more than friendship in return. [[spoiler: Audrey]] eventually deemed André good enough to marry and have Chloé with after he became successful with his hotel and political career, but would still leave them to pursue her own interests. While Chloé was spoiled and sheltered to fill the void, André got by for years with the belief that [[spoiler: Audrey]] would come running back if he stayed rich and faithful to her. When [[spoiler: Audrey]] reappears, Chloé will realize that her mother is a selfish woman who isn't worth trying to please, and so will her father. |
| 263 | |
| 264 | [[WMG: André has a sister]] |
| 265 | This hypothetical sister would be Arlette, Nadja's boss from "Prime Queen". Arlette does appear to be a producer, if not the owner of the TV studio as well, since she is the one calling all the shots in the TV studio. In "Gorizilla", we learn that an "A. Bourgeois" [[spoiler: is a producer and produced a movie Adrien's mother, Emilie, was in]]. |
| 266 | |
| 267 | [[AC: Audrey]] |
| 268 | |
| 269 | [[WMG: Audrey is Adrien's mother]] |
| 270 | Just nobody was told this. Neither of them are anywhere to be seen, after all. |
| 271 | * I heard WordOfGod jossed this a while ago. |
| 272 | ** That would make Chloé's constant hitting on Adrien highly inappropriate for a kid's show. |
| 273 | ** Also, this would require her to have been married to André Bourgeois and Gabriel Agreste at the same time, since Chloé and Adrien are the same age. |
| 274 | |
| 275 | [[WMG: Alternately Audrey is the sister of Adrien's mother, Emilie]] |
| 276 | * No, by "WordOfGod jossed this a while ago", they meant "Adrien and Chloé are not related". |
| 277 | ** That would make Chloé's constant hitting on Adrien highly inappropriate for a kid's show. |
| 278 | |
| 279 | [[WMG: There's a connection between Chloé's and Adrien's missing mother's.]] |
| 280 | * We learn in "Gorizilla" that Adrien's mother was in a film produced by an A. Bourgeois. This could mean whatever caused Chloé's mother leaving might have involved Adrien's mother as well. |
| 281 | |
| 282 | [[WMG: Audrey wants custody of Chloé for some reason.]] |
| 283 | This is why Mayor Bourgeois bends to all of her demands; he doesn't want to lose his precious daughter. It's also possible that Audrey only wants her for superficial reasons and doesn't actually love her like a mother should, and André doesn't want his daughter to suffer from that. |
| 284 | |
| 285 | [[WMG: Audrey has some connection to the Miraculouses.]] |
| 286 | * At the end of "Feast", we see Audrey, Tomoe Tsurugi, and Gabriel and Nathalie reacting to the news of the temple's reappearance. While Gabriel and Nathalie have an obvious reason to be interested, Audrey doesn't seem to be the kind of person who'd be interested in a Tibetan temple reappearing... unless she was interested in what's ''in'' the temple. |
| 287 | |
| 288 | [[WMG: Amber bourgeois]] |
| 289 | Similar to Félix, who was supposed to never appear in the series, Amber will be a canon character. She will also be the new Bee Miraculous´s holder. She could be: |
| 290 | * Chloé's cousin; maybe Arlette is her mother. |
| 291 | * Chloé's older sister. She maybe she lived in New York with their mother, or being older and more independent, she has been traveling. |
| 292 | |
| 293 | [[WMG: Audrey is the mother of Jane and Stacy from WesternAnimation/GhostForce]] |
| 294 | Same universe, similar blond hair and similar enough appearances. Their green eyes would come from their father. |
| 295 | |
| 296 | [[WMG: Audrey was in a relationship with Zoé's father before she left Chloé and André.]] |
| 297 | It's mentioned that Audrey spends most of her time in NYC due to her job in the fashion industry. Given the half-sisters close ages and that she had been married to André for twenty years, it's possible she had been with Zoé's father for quite some time, since it's clear she had always been traveling between the cities in that time frame. At the very least she had to have known him well enough to become pregnant with his daughter. |
| 298 | [[/folder]] |
| 299 | |
| 300 | [[folder:Others]] |
| 301 | [[WMG:Sabrina will get some real friends.]] |
| 302 | While there was an attempt to get her away from Chloé in "Evillustrator," all Sabrina did was try to make Marinette her new leader. So an alternate route will eventually be explored: Sabrina enters a group without Chloé for an assignment, (probably Rose and Juleka, to invoke BlondeBrunetteRedhead,) and she will be rendered unable to choose a temporary Chloé. Sabrina discovers new interests and the joy of friendship on equal footing. Even if she returns to Chloé's side in the end — because without her, the AlphaBitch will have no-one at all — StatusQuoIsGod will still be averted, because she goes back with a mind of her own, and, hopefully, [[SignificantWardrobeShift a nicer outfit]]. |
| 303 | |
| 304 | [[WMG:Master Fu will eventually AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence.]] |
| 305 | Given that turtles have lifespans lasting over a century, and are therefore a symbol of longevity, being keeper of the Turtle bracelet is likely the reason Fu has lived for 180+ years. Deciding to pass on his Miraculous to another goes hand in hand with deciding that ''his'' time has come. To keep it from being too depressing, Fu will probably act as a SpiritAdvisor on occasion. |
| 306 | ** Welp, [[{{Jossed}} he's not dead]], but it did turn out hella depressing anyway. [sniffle] |
| 307 | |
| 308 | [[WMG:Cat Noir was fighting the mind control in Dark Cupid.]] |
| 309 | During the mind control, he talks in the exact same manner the entire time, except for when Dark Cupid offers to help him destroy Ladybug. For a moment, he drops to his normal manner of speaking to briefly say no, before going back to speaking like he was before and accepting the offer. Also, when he's fighting Ladybug alone, he says things that if you swap one word, would sound like a long drawn out confession of love. Like switching "loath" with love in "I loathe you". |
| 310 | * If you watch when she tries to kiss him and he's tied to a lamppost, he actually tries to kiss her too, despite dodging her attempts. You can see him make a kissing motion with his lips. In the slow motion part where he almost uses Cataclysm on her, he looks shocked and afraid. Also, when she kisses him, he kisses back once he stops being stunned even though the spell isn't broken until the kiss breaks. You can also see that when she brings him down, his lips are already puckered for a kiss even though he'd just thrown a nervous FreezeFrameBonus AsideGlance to the camera when she grabbed him. So it's actually pretty likely he was fighting it, even though he can't remember anything he did. |
| 311 | |
| 312 | [[WMG:Nathaniel is secretly Raphael/Phantom R from VideoGame/RhythmThiefAndTheEmperorsTreasure, or at least is related to him in some way.]] |
| 313 | Because Nathaniel literally looks like a 3D version of Raphael, not to mention that they both live in Paris, which seems to be a WeirdnessMagnet in more ways than one (multiple superheroes as a result of magical items; a magic crown that can allegedly summon Napoleon; etc). Alternately, he could be an IdenticalGrandson of some sort. |
| 314 | |
| 315 | [[WMG:Alix and Jalil's mother died at some point prior to the beginning of the show]] |
| 316 | It was possibly in the recent past—distant enough that Alix and her dad would be able to cope better with their grief and move forward, but they're still hurting over it. They've just all responded differently—Alix doubles down on her competitive spirit, Mr. Kubdel tries to accept the reality and move forward, and Jalil still hasn't let it go. It might explain why he's so enthusiastic about the possibility of bringing people back to life, while his father immediately tries to quash the notion because he knows it's better to face the real world than to continue to be foolishly optimistic. |
| 317 | |
| 318 | [[WMG: Adrien getting pen-sets for the past few birthdays could either be Nathalie just being in a hurry, or]] |
| 319 | One of those gifts kids just don't understand or appreciate. A pen-set is often given as a sort of 'rite-of-passage' gift. A sign someone is maturing and most likely means a lot to Gabriel, and possibly his wife, as Adrien mentions getting them for the past few birthdays. Though it's possible he didn't complain as much as he got a gift from both parents in the past. A nice pen set from his father, and something from his mother. |
| 320 | * She isn't getting him pen-sets, she's just giving him a single pen, and Adrien says it's the same pen every year. |
| 321 | |
| 322 | [[WMG: Max was cheating in ''The Gamer'']] |
| 323 | Everything aside from this episode, when he was playing against both Adrien and Marinette, you can clearly see that his glasses are displaying codes that are clearly not in the screen they are using (Even the words "Game Over" appear when he loses). He is using a list of moves or cheat codes, either way, that's an advantage over whoever he is playing against. |
| 324 | * It's notable that this coding and stuff can be seen from ''outside'' his glasses as well, when the camera is facing Max, so it is unlikely that it's just a style thing to show how Max sees the game, like what they do with Ladybug and her Lucky Charm vision. |
| 325 | |
| 326 | [[WMG: Adrien had a weak immune system as a child]] |
| 327 | It would explain why before the events of the show he never went to school (since germ laden children who have been goodness-knows-where + sensitive immune system = no go) , and why his dad is so overprotective of him (and his mother must have been too since he did not go to classes even when she was around ) and they kept this overprotective nature even when he got better, and Gabriel's overprotectiveness just skyrocketed after his wife went missing. |
| 328 | ** [[FridgeBrilliance That's why he's allergic to feathers]] |
| 329 | |
| 330 | [[WMG: Nathalie is a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuru_no_Ongaeshi#The_Crane_Wife crane wife]].]] |
| 331 | |
| 332 | The story describes a crane who shapeshifted into a human, ripping off its own feathers (like the amoks, maybe?) to repay a debt to a human man she was in love with. The man, much like Gabriel, was horrified by her self-mutilation and told her to stop, but she didn't listen. |
| 333 | |
| 334 | It fits symbolically (Nathalie isn't a peacock, not like Emilie, but she is something very close- maybe another sort of bird) and aesthetically ([[MorphicResonance that sweep of red in her hair isn't dyed, it's her "crown"]]). Note also that a species of crane lives in Tibet, where Emilie and Gabriel found the Miraculouses. Perhaps they found a new ally too? It also explains why Gabriel is comfortable [[TheMasquerade telling]] Nathalie about magic; if she's supernatural herself, she wouldn't be shocked by it. |
| 335 | |
| 336 | [[WMG: By the series' end, Marinette will forget ever having been Ladybug.]] |
| 337 | * In "Miracle Queen" it is established that [[spoiler: when a Guardian relinquishes their position, they forfeit all memories relating to the Miraculous so as to keep the secret. It goes far enough for Master Fu to not even remember who Marinette is outside of costume. And now with Ladybug getting that position, she may well give it up come the end of the series, passing the mantle to someone else]]. And since this eliminates all Miraculous-related memories, she won't remember Cat Noir, her time as Ladybug, Tikki, etc. What this means for her character, of course, is up in the air. |
| 338 | ** Considering episodes like Timetagger and Cat Blanc depict Ladybug and Cat Noir as co-leaders of a superhero team into adulthood, this isn't looking likely. |
| 339 | |
| 340 | [[WMG: Adrien will get sick of being LockedOutOfTheLoop]] |
| 341 | Most likely feeling pushed aside as Ladybug's partner in favour of Rena Rouge, if he ever finds out that Rena Rouge [[spoiler: knows Ladybug's identity along with being next in line as Guardian]], he's going to want answers from ladybug about why he wasn't trusted with knowing anything about her. |
| 342 | * Didn't this happen before, in season 2, the episode where Paris was flooded,though he confronted Plagg, not Marinette. Though if, as speculated above, Consequences is the running theme, the possibility that Adrien feeling like he isn't trusted could be an interesting take on that. |
| 343 | * Keeping Adrien LockedOutOfTheLoop is eventually going to blow up in Marinette’s face. Most likely in the season finale. |
| 344 | * Both of the most recent episodes (Sentibubbler and Rocketear) have featured this, it looks increasingly like they are heading to a blow up over all this. |
| 345 | |
| 346 | [[WMG: Adrien being LockedOutOfTheLoop won't push him over the RageBreakingPoint it'll push him over the DespairEventHorizon.]] |
| 347 | In "Wishmaker" we hear Adrien comment that he believes, with Ladybug increasingly relying on the newer Heroes, eventually she'll retire Cat Noir. However he doesn't say it in an angry tone, he's just resigned. Perhaps instead of an argument or Cat being akumatized again, he'll lapse into a depression, giving up on Cat Noir, possibly when he's needed most, forcing the other heroes to explore Cat's emotional state, particularly if it leads to a reveal. |
| 348 | * [[spoiler:In "Kuro Neko", Adrien does indeed give up being Cat Noir, though thanks to Plagg it doesn't stick.]] |
| 349 | |
| 350 | [[WMG: Alya will remain Marinette's backup Ladybug into the future.]] |
| 351 | She's already obviously the new hero Marinette trusts most, and giving it to Cat Noir might turn out badly for multiple reasons (not to mention her fear of a Cat Blanc incident messing with her trust in him). Furthermore, why would the show do something as huge as having Marinette temporarily give her Miraculous to somebody else if they intended to leave it as a single-episode thing? Additionally, it might explain Bunnyx's reply to Cat's question about his future self's relationship with Future Ladybug. The two getting together eventually seems to be one of the show's endgames. If Alya is occasionally Ladybug even in the future, Bunnyx could truthfully say that his relationship with Ladybug is "complicated"...because she's not always the same person. |
| 352 | |
| 353 | [[WMG: Jagged Stone only found out Luka and Juleka were his kids after the events of "Desperada"]] |
| 354 | Going by "Crocoduel" Jagged and Anarka broke up on pretty bad terms. They're both dramatic and a bit immature. So if Anarka only found out she was pregnant after Jagged left, she may have decided ''herself'' that Jagged would be a lousy father and, with her personal fixation on liberty, decided to raise her kids on her own terms alone. However, when Jagged comes to ask for her to return in Desperada, he sees Luka, learns he's Anarka's kid, and - does some math. Since he and Anarka make peace of sorts at the end of the episode, he was able to question her in private and learn the truth. Then, since he had to leave on tour soon, he decided to put off telling them at the moment until he could spend more time with them - maybe on their birthday. But the events of "Truth" brought the truth out ahead of schedule, and he decided not to cause any more drama that might make Anarka's kids angry at ''her'' by taking all the blame on himself. Jagged is only too eager to spend time with and reconnect with his kids in "Crocoduel" and to a lesser extent "Wishmaker" and the end of "Truth" - it just seems like he's happy to be a father, and the never-resolved argument of whose fault the breakdown of the family was in "Crocoduel" does raise some questions. |
| 355 | |
| 356 | [[WMG:Gorilla is a former member of the French Foreign Legion]] Big intimidating guy? Possible military background. Never speaks? Probably does not speak French very well; they teach you in the Legion but not for conversing. Retired Legionaires often find the French they were taught is very different from everyday French. He also used to work for Colt Fathom, possibly promised a job after getting out of the Legion. Most legion recruits are from crappy countries like Romania or Brazil; any job probably looked better to Gorilla then going home. |
| 357 | * Representation implies he was one of Colt's "knights". |
| 358 | [[/folder]] |
| 359 | |
| 360 | ! Miscellaneous |
| 361 | [[folder: Master Fu's "Mistake"]] |
| 362 | [[WMG: Trusting Hawk Moth with a Miraculous is the mistake Master Fu alluded to in the OriginsEpisode.]] |
| 363 | When Wayzz questioned Master Fu's choices of holders for Ladybug's earrings and Cat Noir's ring, his main concern was the ring since Master Fu entrusted it to Gabriel Agreste's son and [[SinsOfOurFathers Gabriel is Hawk Moth]]. |
| 364 | ** Sorry to be a party pooper but I have to object. When Hawk Moth is first seen talking to Nooroo in the first OriginsEpisode he claims that he "found" Nooroo. Master Fu even claims that he thought that the Butterfly Miraculous "was lost forever". These claims indicate that if Gabriel Agreste is Hawk Moth that he wasn't given the Miraculous by Master Fu, he found it on his own. In addition, if Wayzz and Master Fu know the Gabriel Agreste is Hawk Moth then why are they keeping this vital information from the heroes? After all the two sent out the the Ladybug and Black Cat Miraculous to stop Hawk Moth. So if Master Fu and Wayzz intend to stop Hawk Moth it makes no sense for them to know who Hawk Moth is and drag out the plot by not telling the heroes this key information. |
| 365 | * Then Master Fu left the Miraculous where he expected someone else to find it. He eventually figured out his intended target didn't get it but didn't find out who got it. |
| 366 | * It's plausible that many years ago, possibly in the early days of his being the Great Keeper, Master Fu gave the Moth/Butterfly Miraculous to someone who was, for a number of reasons, ill-suited. Either they sold off the valuable jewellery, or they ran off with it, believing it was evil and that its powers shouldn't be used, or they ran off with it and died. Either one would result in the Moth/Butterfly Brooch appearing to be lost forever, so long as it was never put on until Hawk Moth got a hold of it. Which makes me think it was being hidden for a long time, and then he tracked it down. It's possible The Collector factors in somehow, maybe being who Hawk Moth obtained the Miraculous from. In fact, maybe he works for The Collector. As does Mayura. Maybe the Moth Brooch was given to The Collector or one of the past Collectors, and they elected to not use it, but collect it and eventually the other Miraculous. The Collector allows Hawk Moth to use the Miraculous so he can obtain the other Miraculouses. Mayura is likely sent in to "help" because he's failed more than 26 times. |
| 367 | ** Nope on this last one; [[spoiler:the Collector is an akuma villain]]. |
| 368 | *** Or at least, nope to the bits about about the Collector; everything before that is perfectly fine. The part where the mistake was made early in his post as the Great Guardian, he gave the Moth Locket to someone who was ill-suited for it. That person either sold it off or ran off with it and refused to use its powers, or ran off with it and died, causing it to become lost as nobody put it on thereafter, causing it to be lost. That part is totally fine. |
| 369 | |
| 370 | [[WMG: Mrs Agreste has nothing to do with the Peacock Brooch, but it is how Hawk Moth found the Moth/Butterfly Locket.]] |
| 371 | Instead, it relates to the "mistake" Fu made, by giving it or another Miraculous to the man who would become The Collector, who never used it. Nobody said his mistake was giving it to someone who used it for evil. They may not have used it ''at all''. Because the Miraculous are meant to be used and meant to keep balance in the world, not using it is almost worse than using it for evil. He might have used his Miraculous (be it the Peacock of one of the unseen ones) momentarily, discovered it was magic, and thus seeks the entire collection. Not for power, like Hawk Moth, but simply to ''collect''. That's why the mistake Fu made was bad enough he hopes to never make it again. Giving it to an evil person or someone who died for or because of it isn't quite as bad giving it to someone who might cause a universal unbalance. Gabriel (assuming he is Hawk Moth), because he, like his victims, was heartbroken at the time at the loss of his wife. Thus, vulnerable. So he was given the Brooch (which was either the one the Collector had or was one he got his hands on) and the book (which the Collector stole) and told that if he can find the Black Cat and Ladybug Miraculouses, he can bring his wife back. Or, daresay, [[IHaveYourWife even HAVE her back]]. He took the Brooch and the book and was able to track down the Locket, putting away the Brooch so he could use the power of the Locket to draw out the Ladybug and Black Cat users. He does specifically say that was his plan for Stoneheart, so it's possible that's why he went after the Locket in the first place. |
| 372 | |
| 373 | [[WMG:Master Fu's Mistake.]] |
| 374 | It wasn't that someone given a Miraculous turned out to be a lapse in judgement on the guardian's part, but that the ''intended'' recipient was a poor decision. As usual, Fu placed the Miraculous where his chosen one would find it, but it was picked up by another, likely someone close to the intended. However it turned out that his choice was TheChosenZero and would have been easily corrupted by the power, and TheUnchosenOne was a better decision all along. |
| 375 | ** I'm going to have to take you back a step here. This scenario seems like a rather fortunate mistake given the good turnout that you have presented, but Master Fu was very clear in the Origins Episode when he said that this mistake is one he wouldn't want repeated. If there is anything that could logically be said about this scenario it is very best-case and this kind of turnout is something worth hoping for if he got it wrong and is nothing to be ashamed of given the payoff. |
| 376 | |
| 377 | [[WMG: The "mistake" Master Fu made was giving the Peacock Miraculous to whoever he gave it to.]] |
| 378 | Not that the person was a bad choice, they emulated the Peacock Miraculous flawlessly, but the fact that they either gave up the call or their lives were destroyed (if not literally). Peacocks are a symbol of integrity, guidance, protection, and watchfulness. Further they're also symbols of resurrection, immortality, and renewal, because some people believe they're phoenixes of the land. One interpretation of all of that is that the Peacock Miraculous is not a very offensive one, it's primarily defensive and grants the user foresight and healing abilities. But because of that, the Peacock Miraculous is cursed so that the user's loved ones are always in danger. Often times, the Peacock wielder will either be DrivenToSuicide, quit, or will die protecting someone they love. There's two scenarios I can apply: the first is that the last Peacock Miraculous was Adrien's mother, and she died or disappeared to protect her husband and/or son without Adrien ever knowing the specifics of why his mother isn't around, and the second is that Gabriel is the wielder, and the curse got his wife killed or drove her away for whatever reason, and so he threw the call aside to protect Adrien from the same fate. Still, it is interesting how Peacocks can mean resurrection, but [[spoiler: it's Cat Noir and Ladybug's Miraculous that can turn back death itself]]. This might allude to Adrien's mother being the former Peacock user, if [[spoiler: Hawk Moth wants to bring her back to life with the two main Miraculous]]. Fu deems it a mistake because he's aware of the darkness that sparked with her death, and that he cost a boy his only affectionate, clearly loving parent, or else that he destroyed a woman's life and fractured her family. |
| 379 | |
| 380 | [[WMG: As an alternative to the above, Master Fu's mistake was "The Collector".]] |
| 381 | We know pretty much nothing about [[spoiler:"The Collector"]], a mysterious villain teased for Season 2, but his name seems to suggest that he's also hunting the Miraculouses- and unlike Hawk Moth, who is primarily concerned with the two major Miraculouses (even the Butterfly Miraculous appears to be a means to an end), this would appear to be someone going after ''all'' of them. It's possible that Master Fu gave him a Miraculous in the past (most likely one we haven't seen yet), but he went mad with the power and had to have it taken away to protect those around him. Since then he's found another source of power and plans on using it to complete his mission of obtaining all the Miraculouses. |
| 382 | * Jossed. [[spoiler: The Collector is an akumatized Gabriel Agreste, not a past villain.]] |
| 383 | |
| 384 | [[WMG: We will never find out what the "mistake" was]] |
| 385 | It may have happened a very long time ago, and the line is a throw-away meant to drive the fandom nuts. |
| 386 | |
| 387 | [[WMG: The "mistake" was just a meta TakeThat to Félix]] |
| 388 | It's no secret Astruc considers Félix a mistake, so the line may have been written as a tongue-in-cheek reference to the original "Cat Noir". |
| 389 | |
| 390 | [[WMG: Master Fu's mistake was trying to use the Ladybug and/or Black Cat Miraculouses himself.]] |
| 391 | He thought he was able to use one or both of them, and instead [[spoiler: massacred other Guardians, destroyed the temple and with it, destroyed the Order of the Guardians]]. When he said he "only got it wrong once", he was talking about himself. |
| 392 | |
| 393 | [[WMG: His mistake involved revealing the location of the temple to an ancient enemy of the Miraculouses, who will eventually take over as the series' BigBad]] |
| 394 | If the temple was destroyed, after all, someone must've done the destroying. Seems like an obvious opportunity to introduce some new enemy. |
| 395 | |
| 396 | [[WMG: The mistake]] |
| 397 | Master Fu was once a turtle superhero, until a friend of his found out his identity by accident. When Fu learned this, he made the mistake of reporting it to his superiors, who decided to solve the problem through liberal application of KilledToUpholdTheMasquerade. The friend survived, went on a bloody RoaringRampageOfRevenge, and killed everyone; Fu was the only survivor. |
| 398 | [[/folder]] |
| 399 | |
| 400 | [[folder: Hawk Moth's Wish]] |
| 401 | |
| 402 | [[WMG:Hawk Moth's wish is to erase Adrien's death (see the "Adrien is a sentimonster" theory a few folders down).]] |
| 403 | * Going off the "Adrien is a sentimonster ReplacementGoldfish for the late real Adrien" theory a bit further down, Gabriel might wish to prevent his son's death. Assuming any of it is true, if the real Adrien never died, then Emilie would never have needed to create the sentimonster of him, and thus would not have gone into her coma. Therefore, Gabriel would never have become Hawk Moth or akumatized innocent people ([[MyFriendsAndZoidberg or Nathalie and Lila]]), because his reason to do so would not have come to pass. |
| 404 | |
| 405 | [[WMG:Hawk Moth plans to sacrifice Lila]] |
| 406 | Since the Miraculous wish will require an EquivalentExchange, it stands to reason that restoring Emilie will require sacrificing someone else's life. Adrien is out of the question - aside from Gabriel's occasionally [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes showing concern for him]], Emilie would likely not be happy if Gabriel sacrificed their son to bring her back. Nathalie is probably safe for the same reasons. On the other hand, Gabriel has shown contempt towards Lila (in "Onichan", before he decided to recruit her), and he might decided that she has [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness outlived her usefulness]] (especially since her abhorrent behavior is likely to become a liability down the line, so there's no sense in keeping her around longer than he has to). |
| 407 | |
| 408 | [[WMG:Hawk Moth has ''already'' made his wish, possibly several times, and nobody knows it including him]] |
| 409 | In "Ephemeral", the kwamis say "[[OhNoNotAgain not again!]]" when they see him starting to make his wish. There are several possible explanations for this, but here's one of them. It's known that making a wish requires [[EquivalentExchange sacrificing something of equal value to what you gain]]. It's also revealed in "Ephemeral" that making a wish that changes the past (or possibly any wish, it's not made quite clear) involves erasing the universe and rebuilding it to fit the wisher's desires. It's often theorized that if Gabriel were to wish Emilie back to life, Adrien would fall into a coma in her place. If that did happen, what would he do next? Do you think he would just let his son remain near-dead, or would he try to wish ''him'' back too? And if the universe was rewritten, well, would he even ''know'' that the wish is the reason Adrien is lost? How many times might Hawk Moth have traded one family member for the other, never knowing the futility of his actions? His family will never be whole, and he will never realize it. |
| 410 | [[/folder]] |
| 411 | |
| 412 | [[folder:Season 1-4]] |
| 413 | [[WMG: If a Season 2 is made, there will be an episode about the November 2015 Paris terrorist attacks.]] |
| 414 | Given the nature of this show however, it's extremely unlikely, plus, even then, it would still be "too soon". |
| 415 | * I was more thinking that they'd put a situation in the show that, although it's not like the Paris attacks, would seem like a serious situation for Ladybug and Cat Noir. Most likely, I think there should be an episode about loss or (the most likely situation), there can be an episode with a new, strong villain who is a serious threat to Paris. Eventually, he defeats Ladybug and Cat Noir, causing them to loose their powers, which reveals Adrien and Marinette's superhero identities to each other, and Marinette and Adrien have to work together to get their powers back. |
| 416 | * The Darkblade episode had a few noteworthy coincidences with the tragedy. [[spoiler: A group dressed in black, motivated by rage at a French politician and by a belief in how things should be ruled, storm an event featuring an American rock musician.]] This episode first aired in South Korea a half week after the attacks. The parallels were so noticeable so soon after, that it could only be a big coincidence or an intentional episode selection meant as a tribute. |
| 417 | |
| 418 | [[WMG: Many events from season 1 will get more attention in next season]] |
| 419 | Alya dating Nino, Marinette becoming class president, Adrien's lucky bracelet he got from Marinette...all these were used only once on purpose, since season 1 tried to have as little continuity as possible, since all countries aired episodes in different order. |
| 420 | * [[spoiler:Well, Alya and Nino still seem to be together, and the lucky bracelet returned in "La Befana".]] |
| 421 | ** [[spoiler: The latter point is incorrect- he made her a new bracelet. He keeps the other one and states he always carries it on him. He's even holding it in his hand at the end of the episode.]] |
| 422 | |
| 423 | [[WMG: Season 2 will have a more linear narrative]] |
| 424 | Season 1 was great at worldbuilding and establishing the character dynamics, but its back five episodes drew on way too many plot threads that would have to be resolved in a linear fashion next season. |
| 425 | |
| 426 | [[WMG: Season 2 will end with Master Fu using the Wish to strip Hawk Moth of his Miraculous... at the cost of his own.]] |
| 427 | * It's been mentioned that combining the Ring of the Black Cat and the Earrings of the Ladybug allows for the casting of a single Wish, but that the yin-yang nature of the two powers will cause the magic to enact an equivalent price. Surely Astruc wouldn't go to the trouble of setting up a ChekhovsGun like that and neglect to use it. |
| 428 | * [[spoiler: It's been confirmed that Nino will acquire the Turtle Bracelet at some point, which would require Master Fu to first lose it.]] |
| 429 | * [[spoiler: It's also confirmed that Marinette will be distributing the new Miraculouses, suggesting that something will happen to Master Fu.]] |
| 430 | * [[spoiler: Mayura is confirmed to be the villain of Season 3, which requires Hawk Moth to be got out of the way first.]] |
| 431 | * For all these reasons, I suspect that during the final episode of Season 2, Hawk Moth will do something exceptionally destructive, something that for some reason Ladybug cannot fix. Master Fu will decide that this incident proves that Hawk Moth must be defeated at whatever cost. He asks Marinette and Adrien to loan him their Miraculouses, and uses the Wish to take away Hawk Moth's Miraculous. But the price of the Wish will be that he shall lose his own connection to Wayzz and the Turtle Bracelet, and never be able to regain it. |
| 432 | ** Except [[spoiler: Marinette can distribute Miraculouses just fine and dandy with Master Fu being around, as seen in "Sapotis" and Mayura is supposed to work with Hawk Moth, not be a solo act]]. |
| 433 | |
| 434 | [[WMG: Recurring theme in season 4?]] |
| 435 | |
| 436 | I have noticed that every season in this show has had a recurring theme. |
| 437 | |
| 438 | Season 1 was based on new beginnings, season 2 was the meaning of heroics and what it meant to be a hero, season 3 relied on changes happening. Could a new theme on season 4 be based on the past, going by the trailers shown? |
| 439 | * Consequences. So far every episode has been dealing with the fallout of prior actions or decisions. |
| 440 | [[/folder]] |
| 441 | |
| 442 | [[folder:Season 5 Theories ('''Unmarked Spoilers''')]] |
| 443 | |
| 444 | [[WMG: Alya will discover Lila's treachery by Lila wearing the Fox Miraculous.]] |
| 445 | |
| 446 | Now that Hawk Moth has gained all the Miraculous of the temporary heroes, he might decide to entrust one of his field agents with one of them - namely, the Fox Miraculous, which Lila has long coveted. He might even ask her to create some chaos with the Fox Miraculous itself, instead of merely Akumatizing her. If Alya spots the Fox Miraculous around her neck at school (completely ignoring how Alya ignored Lila's fake Fox pendent that "fell" out of Marinette's locker), then she might realize finally that Lila's a liar and that the only way she would have the Fox Miraculous (Alya's former Miraculous) is if she's in league with Hawk Moth. Bonus points if Trixx manages to somehow signal Alya. |
| 447 | * Given that the Miraculouses have been destroyed to make the alliance rings, this seems unlikely. |
| 448 | * {{Jossed}}. When Alya (and everyone else) did discover that Lila is a liar, it had nothing to do with the Fox Miraculous, or any miraculous for that matter. |
| 449 | |
| 450 | [[WMG:The revealed titles refer to the Miraculous being focused on.]] |
| 451 | |
| 452 | Nineteen of the 27 episode titles are the same as the concepts represented by the Miraculous in the Chinese Miracle Box. This is a departure from previous seasons, in which they were nearly all named for the Akuma/Sentimonster featured; the thought is that most of them will center around that Kwami and also involve Hawk Moth using (or trying to use) an Akuma with a power related to the respective Miraculous, which will lead to Marinette recovering that Miraculous. (Not sure how "Destruction" will relate to the Akuma though, since Hawk Moth doesn't have that one.) |
| 453 | |
| 454 | * 01: Evolution (Rabbit) |
| 455 | * 02: Multiplication (Mouse) |
| 456 | * 03: Destruction (Cat) |
| 457 | * 04: Jubilation (Pig) |
| 458 | * 05: Illusion (Fox) |
| 459 | * 06: Determination (Ox) |
| 460 | * 07: Passion (Goat) |
| 461 | * 08: Reunion () |
| 462 | * 09: Exaltation (Tiger) |
| 463 | * 10: The Kwami's Choice, Part 1: Transmission (Butterfly) |
| 464 | * 11: The Kwami's Choice, Part 2: Deflagration (translated as "Blast") () |
| 465 | * 12: Perfection (Dragon) |
| 466 | * 13: Migration (Horse - "Teleportation" is the English name of its power) |
| 467 | * 14: Derision (Monkey) |
| 468 | * 15: Intuition (Snake) |
| 469 | * 16: Protection (Turtle) |
| 470 | * 17: Adoration (Dog) |
| 471 | * 18: Emotion (Peacock) |
| 472 | * 19: Pretention (Rooster) |
| 473 | * 20: Revelation () |
| 474 | * 21: Confrontation () |
| 475 | * 22: Collusion () |
| 476 | * 23: Revolution () |
| 477 | * 24: Representation () |
| 478 | * 25: The Last Day, Part 1: Conformation () |
| 479 | * 26: The Last Day, Part 2: Re-creation (Ladybug) |
| 480 | * 27: Action (Bee - "Subjection" is the English name of its power) |
| 481 | * This is debunked as only the Rabbit Miraculous got retrieved in 'Evolution', the rest of the stolen Miraculous got turned into rings used for transmitting the Miraculous superpowers to the supervillains without giving them the actual Miraculous. |
| 482 | |
| 483 | [[WMG:The Last Day two-parter might mean the last day of school for everyone.]] |
| 484 | |
| 485 | Could even mean last day of middle school, and season 6 and 7 will take place in high school. At least in the French dub. I'm not sure how the English dub would handle that if that's the case. |
| 486 | * They could retcon it for the English dub to have high school grades 10-12. Or the middle school and high school are all in one building just in different wings. |
| 487 | |
| 488 | [[WMG: Episode 20, "Revelation", will feature Ladybug and Cat Noir [[TheUnmasking revealing their identites to each other]] and/or learning that Gabriel Agreste is Hawk Moth.]] |
| 489 | * And unlike in Ephemeral, TheReveal is for real this time. |
| 490 | * {{Jossed}}. The episode is about Lila being revealed to be LivingADoubleLife, manipulating Chloé into being her deputy as class rep, and the entire class into making her class rep, as well as her discovering [[BigBad Gabriel's]] secrets from a brainwashed Nathalie. |
| 491 | |
| 492 | [[WMG:Chloé will be brought into the fold.]] |
| 493 | |
| 494 | The fact that the last episode is named after the Bee Miraculous, one which Chloé has coveted as Queen Bee seems significant to end the season. We already know that Hawk Moth is not above recruting people to do his dirty work (Lila). We also know there will be a Hawk Moth in the future, so there is a chance that he might fully recruit Chloé with the giving her of the Bee miraculous and keeping her as an enforcer. This would also fit the story arc she's had where she willingly seeks Hawk Moth's power. |
| 495 | * Confirmed. It happened in Collusion. |
| 496 | * However, Chloé isn't given back the Bee Miraculous by Gabriel, but instead an army of robots to take over the city and become the new Mayor after her dad has resigned. |
| 497 | [[WMG:Gabriel will initially try to use a load of Miraculouses all at once, and find out why that's a bad idea.]] |
| 498 | |
| 499 | Since he has so many Miraculouses, he will be tempted by their power. While he might know theoretically that using too many is dangeous, it doesn't seem to bother him; he eventually defaulted to using two, and in ''Ephemeral'' he even used three/four. He'll likely try to fuse a ton all at once, and then suffer the consequences; this could even lead to the heroes retreiving some Miraculouses. He will then decide to only use a small number at a time and/or pick subordinates (potentially making more Akumatised Miraculous holders). |
| 500 | * Confirmed. It isn't what directly allows the Miraculous to be reclaimed, but Gabe learns the hard way not to use too many powers at once. Trailers for "Multiplication" (at time of writing, the next episode) show Ikari Gozen using the Mouse Miraculous. |
| 501 | |
| 502 | [[WMG:Hawk Moth will try to use the Rabbit Miraculous, but will be stopped by future Bunnyx.]] |
| 503 | |
| 504 | With the power of time travel, the Rabbit Miraculous is very tempting; the episode titles suggest it might even be the first one Gabriel tries to use. However, as long as he eventually loses it, future Alix will still have it and will be able to travel back and stop him. Eventually, he'll either figure it isn't worth the effort or make a mistake that allows the heroes to steal the Rabbit Miraculous back. This could also potentially lead to present Alix finally getting to transform. |
| 505 | * Confirmed. Though adult Bunnyx is taken out of the action pretty early, her presence allows the heroes to fight back, reclaim it, and hand it off to her teenage self. |
| 506 | |
| 507 | [[WMG: Most season 5 episodes will have a DoubleMeaningTitle.]] |
| 508 | "Evolution" refers both to the Rabbit Miraculous, which is heavily used in that episode, and Gabriel's step forward in power. Given trailers, "Multiplication" could refer to the Mouse Miraculous or the fact that Monarch is using other people to use Miraculous against the heroes - multiplying his forces, as it were. I have a hunch the other episodes named for Miraculous concepts could be in the same boat (except maybe Action, given what I've heard of its dubious canonicity.) |
| 509 | |
| 510 | [[WMG: Chloé will finally hit her rock bottom.]] |
| 511 | With their alliance starting in Penalteam, Chloé and Lila will become major threats to Marinette and Ladybug, with Chloé as the brawn and Lila as the brains. As time goes on though, Lila will take charge and manipulate Chloé into becoming the worst she's ever been, possibly to the point of finally alienating Sabrina aka Chloé's last link to any decency still in her, and willingly and openly becoming Monarch's ally. But of course, Ladybug and Cat Noir will eventually take them down as usual, and Lila will run off into the shadows to protect herself, leaving Chloé alone to take all the heat and become essentially the most hated person in Paris. And after realizing she has burned just about every bridge she has, Chloé will finally realize just how alone she truly is in the world. |
| 512 | * Confirmed. Chloé's alliance with Lila in Season 5 leads to multiple schemes to ruin Marinette and Ladybug. Lila also continues to bring out the worst in Chloé and likely encourages her to embrace her nastiness no matter what anyone says, which leads to Adrien, and eventually Sabrina abandoning her. She later forms alliances with Gabriel/Monarch and Lila to become a secretly super-empowered mayor of Paris in order to finally defeat Ladybug and Cat Noir, only to abandon her when the populace turns on her, which leads to her being deposed, stripped of all her power, and finally be exiled from Paris altogether in disgrace with her mother as the most hated person there. Marinette standing up to her one last time afterwards is what finally breaks Chloé's ego and pride and makes her realize just how alone she is and how far she's fallen to rock bottom. |
| 513 | |
| 514 | [[WMG:Hawk Moth is slowly dying and he doesn't even realize it.]] |
| 515 | We already know that using too many powers at once can have extremely bad effects on the person using them. Hawk Moth has taken steps to mitigate this after he learned that, but it feels likely that continued exposure to several Miraculouses will start to affect his mind. This whole thing could end up worse by the fact he was hit by Cat Noir's cataclysm, which we already see is spreading and that is possibly killing him very slowly. Both of these things could end up leading to Hawk Moth going down a SanitySlippage as he is consumed by his mind being destroyed by the Miraculouses and his slow death from the Cataclysm. Eventually, this leads him to make a desperate final attack, which leads to his defeat. The final two-parter of the season is called "The Last Day," maybe it means Hawk Moth's literal last day. |
| 516 | * Hawk Moth is indeed slowly dying this season, but it's cause of Cat Noir's Cataclysm wound and he does realize it. |
| 517 | |
| 518 | [[WMG:Monarch will be unmasked by the end of the season.]] |
| 519 | Between the Cataclysm wound and the Alliance rings, Gabriel now has two things that link him to Monarch. Either the wound will get bad enough that Gabriel is unable to hide it anymore, at least in private, allowing Adrien to realize that his father is Monarch, or Marinette and/or Adrien will figure out that the Alliance Rings are how Monarch transfers the Miraculous powers, and as one of the developers, Gabriel will become at least a suspected ally of Monarch, if the heroes don't immediately realize that he is Monarch. |
| 520 | |
| 521 | [[WMG:The Lucky Charm from Destruction will return.]] |
| 522 | Monarch escaped with the Lucky Charm with him, which prevented Ladybug from using the Miraculous Ladybugs to undo the damage from that battle. |
| 523 | |
| 524 | Instead, the team will recover that Charm much later, perhaps even at the end of the season, and Ladybug will then be able to use it to undo much more — not just Monarch's injury, but also restoring all the Miraculous to their original forms, because the reforging was also "damage done by a villain" around the time of the Charm's creation. |
| 525 | * Don't the Lucky Charms disappear when Ladybug detransforms? |
| 526 | |
| 527 | [[WMG: Bunnyx will find out Ladybug, Cat Noir and Monarch's identities.]] |
| 528 | Now that her present self has the Rabbit Miraculous, Alix can use it to find out Ladybug, Cat Noir and/or Monarch's secret identities by going back in time. Maybe she can even tell the latter to the former two. |
| 529 | |
| 530 | [[WMG: Lila will replace Gabriel as the main villain of the series.]] |
| 531 | Lila knows Gabriel is Monarch and has now discovered all his secrets and is planning to steal his Miraculous. By the end of the season, Gabriel will succumb to the effects of Cataclysm and Lila will somehow use that get her hands on his Miraculous. This will coincide with everybody finding out the truth about her and her many lies, necessitating her going into hiding and becoming a full on villain. |
| 532 | |
| 533 | [[WMG:If the woman at the end of "Re-creation" is actually Amelie and not Emilie, then Emilie can still be communicated with if Duusu coughs up a Kwatagama.]] |
| 534 | It might be an Emilie who barely knows Adrien (if she never used the Peacock Miraculous after creating him), but it would still be Emilie. |
| 535 | |
| 536 | [[WMG:The being that Lila saw at the end was the Supreme.]] |
| 537 | Either the Supreme of the main universe (if there is one) or the Supreme from Betterfly's universe. |
| 538 | [[/folder]] |
| 539 | |
| 540 | [[folder:Season 6 Theories ('''Unmarked Spoilers''')]] |
| 541 | |
| 542 | [[WMG: The season will start off with a HappyEndingOverride.]] |
| 543 | |
| 544 | This is pretty much a given, but let's consider the possibilities: while parts of the season five finale [[EsotericHappyEnding ruined it for many fans]], there is no denying that things have never been better for all of the characters who deserve it. This will all change when Lila (or whatever the heck she's calling herself now) makes her move with the Butterfly Miraculous. Now not only do Ladybug and Cat Noir have to deal with a new wave of Akumas, but also an outraged public accusing them of lulling everyone into a false sense of security with the belief that the attacks were finally over. Some people might even get Akumatized over it and target the heroes out of spite. |
| 545 | * To make matters worse, this will lead Adrien to start asking questions about what really happened when his father [[BlatantLies sacrificed himself to defeat Monarch]] like Ladybug said he did. And when she won't give him or Cat Noir any straight answers, he'll start investigating by himself. This will likely cause tension between him and Marinette in both of their respective civilian and superhero identities, and if he ever found out the truth, it could cause their relationship to implode. |
| 546 | |
| 547 | [[WMG: Lila will not reveal herself to the public like Gabriel did.]] |
| 548 | |
| 549 | Compared to Gabriel, Lila is far more secretive, so it makes sense if she doesn't announce herself as the new Butterfly Miraculous holder. |
| 550 | * Seems reasonable. Gabriel's goal there was to play supervillain to get the Ladybug and Cat Miraculous out into circulation. As far as we know, Lila just wants revenge on Ladybug, and she doesn't have to make herself known to accomplish that. |
| 551 | |
| 552 | [[WMG: The circumstances of the previous season's finale will prompt Cat Noir to seek to TakeALevelInBadass.]] |
| 553 | |
| 554 | To be frank, the last few episodes of season five were not good to Adrien. He spent the entire final battle locked in a room while his partner/girlfriend basically soloed an army ''and'' Monarch with both his and her own Miraculouses. Even worse, he was tricked into believing that his father (who was both an emotionally AbusiveParent and the BigBad up to this point) was a (''urk'') [[FakeUltimateHero hero who sacrificed himself to help stop Monarch.]] While Marinette may have encouraged him to [[BeYourself be himself]], he may still feel the need to live up to his father's "legacy". Also, it wouldn't be unusual if he blamed himself for his father's death simply because he wasn't there to help. All of this would cause him to reflect on his performance as a superhero, and find himself lacking compared to Ladybug who kept pulling ahead more and more while Cat Noir remained where he was at the start. Bug Noir might even start to seem symbolic of how lopsided their "partnership" has become. Ultimately, he decides that it is time to step up and train to catch up with his Lady so he can be a better partner for her. |
| 555 | |
| 556 | [[WMG: Miss Bustier's new school will include Mirakung Fu classes alongside meditation.]] |
| 557 | |
| 558 | To go along the Order of the Guardians adapting to modern life and mindsets, they might be more inclined to teach people how to defend themselves from future akumatizations. Su-Han might thus be hired as a PE teacher as well as a supervisor for that class. |
| 559 | |
| 560 | [[WMG: Lila will take a different approach in her new disguise at school.]] |
| 561 | |
| 562 | After she was already exposed for lying in "Confrontation", she doesn't want people to suspect anything, so instead of making up numerous lies to get attention, she would make up a few small ones that don't directly correlate to things she lied about as Lila or sound similar to it. |
| 563 | |
| 564 | Speaking of which, I really hope she doesn't go there as Cerise, (that looks way too similar to Lila even with the different skin tone and hair, if it's even her real hair) but as a new disguise. Like the one she used in the Season 5 finale where she has a black wig and glasses on. |
| 565 | |
| 566 | [[WMG: There will be a Miraculous Holder [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar Civil War]].]] |
| 567 | |
| 568 | Following the first WMG above, should Cat Noir and Ladybug get into conflict about the truth, news will spread out to the other holders. The team will be divided into two factions each taking the side of Ladybug and Cat Noir. Along with this, this is the time when everyone's identities will be known among each other. Below are the potential teams. Viperion and Bunnyx will abstain due to knowing how dangerous it would be for them to join the fray. |
| 569 | |
| 570 | '''Ladybug's side:''' |
| 571 | * Ladybug |
| 572 | * Rena Rouge |
| 573 | * Vesperia |
| 574 | * Miss Hound |
| 575 | * Pigella |
| 576 | * Rooster Bold |
| 577 | * Caprikid |
| 578 | * Polymouse |
| 579 | |
| 580 | '''Cat Noir's side:''' |
| 581 | * Cat Noir |
| 582 | * Carapace |
| 583 | * Ryuko |
| 584 | * Argos |
| 585 | * Pegasus |
| 586 | * Minotaurox |
| 587 | * King Monkey |
| 588 | * Purple Tigress |
| 589 | |
| 590 | [[WMG:Cat Noir will discover the truth about Gabriel and confront Ladybug over it, but this will ''not'' lead to a falling out between them.]] |
| 591 | |
| 592 | Against all odds, Adrien manages to discover that his father was Monarch as early as the middle of the season. He then confronts Ladybug as Cat Noir, fully expecting her to be angry with him for "sticking his nose where it didn't belong". To his shock and surprise however, she instead [[AintTooProudtoBeg begs]] him not to tell anyone, especially "Adrien". When Cat insists that the people of Paris deserve to know the truth, angrily pointing out that she has effectively convinced everyone to honor a '''''terrorist''''', Ladybug actually breaks down in tears and admits that she ''knows'' it isn't right or fair, but she wanted to give Adrien at least ''some'' positive memories of his father and spare him from potentially suffering a SinsOfOurFathers scenario. Realizing that Ladybug is carrying this burden for his sake, Cat calms down and assures her that it will remain a secret between the two of them. Unfortunately, this means that now he has to pretend that he still idolizes his father despite [[BrokenPedestal knowing him to be the monster he truly was.]] |
| 593 | * Eventually, possibly at the end of the season, Cat Noir convinces Ladybug that they have to come clean, regardless of the consequences to themselves. However, this is complicated by the presence of the new Butterfly villain, who could use the inevitable fallout to cause yet another mass Akumatization should she have figured out Hawk Moth's "Catalyst" trick by that point. There's also the fact that the reveal would absolutely '''''destroy''''' Ladybug's reputation, and by extension Cat Noir's, making it much harder for them to fight Akuma since they would no longer have the absolute trust and support of Paris. Thus, they agree to only reveal the truth after the Butterfly Miraculous is finally retrieved, creating an ominous atmosphere that would persist throughout the next season. |
| 594 | |
| 595 | * Plus there's a chance that he knew the whole time about his father, so it would make sense that he would lie as well so both sides would keep each other from falling off the slippery slope. Unfortunately, they've been skating on thin ice and now that ice is cracking. |
| 596 | |
| 597 | [[WMG: Alternatively, Lila could reveal the truth about Monarch.]] |
| 598 | And to further [[Film/SpiderManNoWayHome rub it in Marinette's face]], she'll yell "LADYBUG'S NAME IS MARINETTE DUPAIN-CHENG!" to the world. |
| 599 | |
| 600 | [[WMG: The other Miraculous Holders and their Kwamis will get at least one episode in the spotlight together.]] |
| 601 | Now that the other heroes have their Miraculouses permanently, there might be some focus put on them and their relationships with their Kwamis; the audience will get to see how the holders and Kwamis affect each other. There might even be some instances where multiple holders and Kwamis will be focused on and some heroes might even learn each others identities if they haven't already; these include Alya & Nino, Luka & Juleka, Juleka & Rose, Félix & Kagami, and Nathaniel & Marc. |
| 602 | |
| 603 | [[WMG: Chloé will return to Paris or the audience will be given an update as to how and what she's doing at some point, which may or may not lead into a true redemption arc.]] |
| 604 | After losing everything and everyone she cared about, being exiled from her hometown as the most hated person there, and getting stuck under the control of her controlling, tyrannical mother, Chloé might make a return somehow during the next few seasons. She'll either unexpectedly return to Paris or be shown in her new life in New York or wherever she and her mother have gone. In either case, I can see three scenarios from this: 1) she is in the midst of trying to redeem herself for everything she's done, 2) she has yet to start a redemption and is stuck in sort of a BrokenBird phase, or 3) she's even more angry and vengeful than before after having lost it all. |
| 605 | * If Chloé is in the midst of changing or trying to change: her return to Paris might be her trying to show everyone that she's not the spoiled brat that she was, and she's trying to make amends for everything she's done and to everyone she's hurt, especially to those she cares about. Of course it would take her time to gain said people's trust and forgiveness and for some, she might never gain either. If she's still in her new home and life, it could show her trying to do good in her new start even in spite of her mother's overbearingness. She might have new friends even to help her along the way. |
| 606 | * If Chloé is in her BrokenBird phase: her return to Paris might have something to do with her mother coming back for either business or trying to repair the family name. Chloé might be forced to tag along, possibly as her mother's "Sabrina", as part of her mother controlling her life again. She'll feel depressed and ashamed, so much so that she'll be reluctant to show her face to the public and her former classmates. And if and when she does, and they see just how far she's fallen since her exile, some will feel sorry for her, while others will feel that she has gotten exactly what she deserves. It might take some caring from Ladybug and Cat Noir, and maybe Zoé and André too to snap out of it. If she's still in her new life, it will show her being controlled by her mother as her "Sabrina" and being forced to cater to her every whim, her mother putting intense pressure on her, demanding absolute perfection in grades, in social life and everything else. She'll probably end up being at the bottom of the social totem at school; her mother will deny her access to any of her money or privileges due to her being a "loser" who doesn't deserve it, which will cause the popular crowd to shun her, and the regular students will probably learn of her previous deeds in Paris, so they'll want nothing to do with her either. She might even get bullied from all sides too. It would probably take something big and life-changing for her to regain her confidence. |
| 607 | * If Chloé is as angry and bitter as ever, if not more than before: her return to Paris might have her keep a a low profile while plotting her revenge on her enemies, sort of like Lila/Cerise/Iris; her old ally might even recruit her again in her quest for revenge. If she's still in her new life, she'll remain isolated, powerless and embittered. She might even grow to hate all superheroes and villains, as they'll be a constant reminder of what she lost, possibly even to the point of creating and leading an anti-super movement. |
| 608 | |
| 609 | [[WMG: Lila will reveal the truth about Gabriel to Adrien and the rest of Paris when the time comes for a mass akumatization.]] |
| 610 | Lila knows the truth about Gabriel, but is waiting for just the right moment to reveal it. |
| 611 | |
| 612 | [[WMG:Someone will be revealed to be terminally ill or dead]] |
| 613 | At the end of Season 5, Gabriel manages to get both the ladybug and black cat miraculous and make his wish. But it's stated this requires a sacrifice of equal measure. He saves both Emelie and Nathalie, but seemingly only sacrificed himself. Even Gimmi, the kwami able to grant wishes, states that a wish requires balancing the universe by making an equal sacrifice. |
| 614 | |
| 615 | But at the end of the episode, the only known sacrifice was Gabriel. One sacrifice for two people isn't exactly balanced. |
| 616 | |
| 617 | But if it's revealed that there was a second sacrifice, this would restore the balance. They'll most likely either be someone Gabriel hated, or someone random because Gabriel didn't think of a second sacrifice so the universe had to choose for him. |
| 618 | |
| 619 | [[WMG: Marinette will be in a constant state of [[StepfordSmiler Silent]] MyGodWhatHaveIDone for most of if not the entire season.]] |
| 620 | It seemes like everything has gone well for Marinette in the end. She's finally gotten the guy, she recovered all of the Miraculouses she lost last season, and Hawk Moth is gone. She's won. |
| 621 | |
| 622 | But at what cost? |
| 623 | |
| 624 | In order to not completely shatter what little emotional stability the boyfriend she's been trying to get all season had left, she honored Gabriel's request and made him the hero that stopped Hawk Moth along with her. Marinette would almost certainly feel guilt lying to Adrien like that, let alone the fact she's essentially forcing Plagg, Félix and Kagami to lie with her, even if only by association. |
| 625 | |
| 626 | The guilt of lying to Adrien, and so many people in Paris, will almost certainly weigh on her. To say nothing of the terror of what would happen if anything found out. Adrien finding out his father is Hawk Moth would already up-end Adrien's entire worldview, to say nothing of him being a sentimonster, his creation being what killed his mom and started his father's descent into terrorism and madness, and the fact that Ladybug knew all of this and lied to him. |
| 627 | |
| 628 | [[WMG: Why Félix is on the team.]] |
| 629 | Félix/Argos becoming an official Miraculous Hero unsurprisingly ticked off a lot of people considering he was the reason most of the Miraculous ended up in the hands of Hawk Moth. But think of it like this, even if Marinette managed to take away the Peacock from him, who would she give it to? Whoever wields it will instantly learn that Adrien and Félix and possibly Kagami are sentimonsters from a glance at their rings. Whoever wields it will likely realize that Gabriel is Hawk Moth and Ladybug lied about Gabriel being a hero. Whoever wields it has the ability to murder her boyfriend in a split second if they choose to not value his life. Whoever wields it will have to be given a long ethics class on the treatment and value of sentimonsters and life. Even if she's still mad at Félix, she knows full well that the power Duusu gives is simply would be too dangerous and easy to abuse in anyone else's hands. |
| 630 | |
| 631 | [[WMG: The flash of energy that startled Lila at the end of the last episode was from a time traveler from the future]] |
| 632 | Using unknown means to travel to the past and prevent Bunnyx from interfering with them, they intend to help Lila with her plans for their own purposes. Their involvement makes everything much worse for the heroes than it was originally supposed to be, messing up the rosy future that had been promised to Ladybug beyond salvaging. |
| 633 | |
| 634 | [[WMG: Cerise [[VillainHasAPoint was right the whole time.]]]] |
| 635 | Marinette will eventually realize that, with the inevitable Bad Publicity that comes with the truth about Monarch, she will be completely alone, just like Cerise promised. What Cerise doesn't actually think about is that Adrien would wind up staying on Marinette's side, understanding she did what she had to do and while she does make mistakes, she knows more about being human than Chloé or Cerise can ever imagine. |
| 636 | * Only time will tell if she IS completely alone or not. Perhaps Alya or Nino will also stay on Marinette's side despite the backlash. |
| 637 | |
| 638 | [[WMG: Cerise is actually this universe's equivalent to [[VideoGame/Persona5 Yaldabaoth.]]]] |
| 639 | Both Monarch and Team Ladybug are pawns a game of chess run by her to prove she is the only perfect being in the universe without flaws, meant to control everything else. |
| 640 | |
| 641 | [[WMG: Many of Gabriel's old business associates [[ManipulativeBastard will try to use his hero status to manipulate Adrien into following in his father’s footsteps for their own purposes]]]] |
| 642 | While Marinette may have told Adrien that he didn’t need to live up to his father's “legacy” and could just [[BeYourself be himself]], these people will be more interested in controlling Gabriel’s company through him when he's old enough to take over. To that end, they will pressure him to continue modeling and study to become the new CEO instead of doing what he wants, all for the sake of becoming a man his father could be proud of. Marinette will protest against this, of course, but her voice will be drowned out by the many others who insist that [[SarcasmMode Adrien should absolutely want to be just like his awesome old man]], including many of their friends. As Adrien becomes more and more miserable and conflicted, Marinette will slowly realize that he will never be free unless she tells him the truth about his father, [[SadisticChoice forcing her to make a devastating choice]]. |
| 643 | |
| 644 | [[WMG: The Supreme will become an antagonist in season 6.]] |
| 645 | Mentioned in ''Miraculous Ladybug: Paris'', the Supreme could appear in the prime universe. If so, it is possible their arrival was depicted in the season five finale stinger with Cerise the first to meet them. This might result in the two entering into a partnership, where the Supreme provides Cerise in-depth knowledge on the Miraculouses while she contributes by extorting Kagami Tsurugi, for her connections to Monarch, into helping them. |
| 646 | |
| 647 | [[WMG: One or more of the protagonists will die, be it a DisneyDeath or a KilledOffForReal.]] |
| 648 | Just goes to show how much worse Cerise and/or the Supreme will be. |
| 649 | |
| 650 | [[/folder]] |
| 651 | |
| 652 | [[folder:General]] |
| 653 | [[WMG:There will be an UnfortunateItemSwap.]] |
| 654 | According to WordOfGod, Gabriel Agreste has a line of accessories that resemble the Miraculouses. Someone (likely either Chloé for the bee comb or Lila for the fox pendant) will inadvertently switch one of said pieces of jewelry for a ''real'' Miraculous. |
| 655 | |
| 656 | [[WMG:There will be a comedic PowerIncontinence episode.]] |
| 657 | Ladybug and Cat Noir's powers (and those of other heroes if they have been chosen by then) will hit a spike and undergo a kind of puberty/rite of passage, but the luck magic will bleed into their alter egos; Marinette becomes a living good luck charm, and Adrien becomes TheJinx to himself and those around him. |
| 658 | ** Alternatively they're already this, but being so near to each other since getting the powers has caused it to balance out and no one has noticed. |
| 659 | |
| 660 | [[WMG:Villains from a past generation will appear.]] |
| 661 | New baddies have to take the stage after Hawk Moth's defeat, preferably ones that can pose an even bigger threat. If Adrien's parents were Miraculous Heroes, the prospective new villain would be from their RoguesGallery, and is at least a major reason for why they were always so overprotective of their son. |
| 662 | * That generation's Hawk Moth is a good guy like the one from Gabriel's book. |
| 663 | |
| 664 | [[WMG:One episode will feature a genie.]] |
| 665 | Plagg's reply in the OriginsEpisode when Adrien assumed him to be one shows that they exist in the series. The troubles [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor caused by the wishes]] will make Adrien realize Plagg's right about being better than genies. |
| 666 | |
| 667 | [[WMG: The miscolouring of Cat Noir's ring in "Gamer" wasn't a mistake]] |
| 668 | It's worth noting that Hawk Moth likely sees what Gamer sees- the ring of the Black Cat, in its depowered form on Gamer's screen. Assuming Hawk Moth is Gabriel Agreste, this makes sense for why he reacts like he does on seeing Adrien's ring, despite only getting a brief look at the Black Cat Ring. |
| 669 | |
| 670 | [[WMG: Non-Miraculous supernatural elements will begin to enter the scene.]] |
| 671 | Nooroo himself pointed out that none of the Miraculouses were intended to be used for evil. And it's confirmed in several places, most notably ''The Pharaoh'', that the Bearers have fought other enemies over the years. Perhaps some of those old foes will begin to make their appearance once more. |
| 672 | * Going on from the above, it's possible that the intervention of more purely evil supernatural powers will cause Hawk Moth to pull an EvenEvilHasStandards and start using his Miraculous as it was intended to be used: to create heroes to fend off these new monsters. |
| 673 | * This could be considered semi-confirmed already given the planned crossover with upcoming series Pixiegirl and Ghostforce. Plus it makes sense given that the purification function of Ladybug's yo-yo cannot have possibly been designed solely with the Butterfly Miraculous being used for evil in mind. |
| 674 | ** It doesn't have to be evil akumas the Ladybug purifies. The Ladybug could see that a proper akuma, like how one could argue [[spoiler: the Collector]] is, isn't behaving very heroically or is being reckless or has too much power or something and take matters into their own hands and deny them powers even when the Moth's bearer won't cut their powers or can't. She isn't so much purifying it as she is removing its power, though purifying is still a good word. |
| 675 | * This seems likely, considering not just the past heroes we see like Herakles and Hippolyta, but [[spoiler: the flashback Master Fu has, depicting a giant squid monster that needs dealt with by Miraculous intervention, even though the temple is in the mountains]]. Plus, if good magic exists, so must evil. For every positive, there is an equal negative. Plus, in the comics, don't the American superheroes like Majestia have superpowers? |
| 676 | |
| 677 | [[WMG:Why Master Fu has not figured out Hawk Moth's identity.]] |
| 678 | Back in the day, Gabriel and his eventual wife used the Butterfly and Peacock Miraculouses as superheroes, mentored by Master Fu. After Emilie disappeared in the Tibet incident, Gabriel lied about losing their Miraculouses in the tragedy and kept the spell book for himself. Fu believed him and now thinks who or whatever killed/took Adrien's mother is Hawk Moth, because he cannot believe [[GoodCannotComprehendEvil his mentee and friend could be a villain]]. |
| 679 | * This is already jossed if you watched "Origins Part 1": |
| 680 | ->'''Hawk Moth''': I found you though, my little Nooroo. Your Miraculous... remind me of its powers again.\ |
| 681 | '''Master Fu''': I thought it (the Moth Miraculous) had been lost forever! |
| 682 | There's absolutely no way Hawk Moth could have used the Moth before becoming Hawk Moth since he asks Nooroo about how it works and if he worked with his wife and used the Peacock, he should know how it works since Ladybug knows how Cat Noir's powers work and vice-versa though simple observation. Wayzz and Master Fu pretty much state the Moth Miraculous has been lost for a very long time. You don't just assume something is lost forever after it's only been missing for less than a year, especially something as important as a Miraculous. If it was lost under a year ago, Master Fu should be in Tibet looking for them. Considering how the Moth Miraculous's powers had not been used prior to "Origins Part 1", it's impossible anyone could have used it. [[spoiler: This is also further {{jossed}} by "The Collector".]] |
| 683 | |
| 684 | [[WMG: The Kubdel family have magical ancestry]] |
| 685 | That holographic watch we see in ''Timebreaker'' is stretching the bounds of modern technology, let alone what must have been 17th or 18th-century technology when it was first crafted. But if mortal magi could create the Miraculouses, then they could create other magical items. Moreover, that Jalil Kubdel was able to decipher the papyrus in ''The Pharaoh'' when what must have been numerous other historians failed does not seem to make sense... unless, as a magical scroll, the papyrus can only be read by someone with magical ability. |
| 686 | |
| 687 | [[WMG:The episode "Darkblade" was not the first time a D'Argencourt crossed the path of the Ladybug Miraculous]] |
| 688 | The ''nom-de-guerre'' of D'Argencourt's ancestor was in English even in the French dub, and we know that [[http://miraculousladybug.wikia.com/wiki/Jeanne_d%27Arc Jeanne d'Arc was a Holder of the Ladybug Miraculous]]. It could be that [[LesCollaborateurs Darkblade ruled Paris in the English' name]] and used some strange power to boost his strength... And that the ''real'' goal of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Paris_(1429) the 1429 French attempt to retake Paris]] was to neutralize said power, and succeeded. It would certainly explain how a Miraculous Holder was wounded. |
| 689 | |
| 690 | [[WMG: There will be a TimeSkip.]] |
| 691 | |
| 692 | The future in "Timetagger" is [[LawOfConservationOfDetail rather detailed]], including a SequelHook of regarding the identity of the next Hawk Moth (possibly Lila). Astruc has also posted art of hypothetical looks of adult Ladybug. However, this TimeSkip won't happen until perhaps after Season 5 as that's when ''Ladybug & Cat Noir: Awakening'' takes place and the promotional image shows that Ladybug and Cat Noir are still at their current age. |
| 693 | |
| 694 | [[WMG: The Miraculous are contained [[Manga/MyHeroAcademia Quirks]].]] |
| 695 | As part of a UN initiative to give Quirks to the Quirkless, they took certain animal-related Quirks and put them in various pieces of jewelry. Unfortunately, though, they had to stop the project when the League of Villains caught wind of it, and they faked the destruction of the Miraculous to throw them off. |
| 696 | |
| 697 | The Miraculous were entrusted to a retired hero named Fu, who took them to Paris for safekeeping. But when the Moth Miraculous fell into the hands of Gabriel, he began finding people to use the Miraculous to stop his evil machinations. |
| 698 | |
| 699 | At the end of Season 2, Fu's memory wasn't wiped. He is merely faking amnesia to hide his involvement in the creation of the Miraculous, and to make sure Hawk Moth doesn't join forces with All for One, at which point they'd be unstoppable. Of course, they inevitably do, and Ladybug and Cat Noir go to Japan and make contact with Midoriya and co. |
| 700 | |
| 701 | [[WMG:Gabriel has arranged for the Gorilla to become Adrien's legal guardian should anything happen to him.]] |
| 702 | |
| 703 | After all, the most immediate family the've been shown to have are [[VillainousMotherSonDuo Amelie and her son Félix]], meaning that if he gets cuaght and arrested for his crimes as Hawk Moth, she'd probably be the next in line. Given their relationship, I doubt he's crazy about the idea of gaining custody over his son, and he'd probably want to take measures to prevent that from happening. And while [[UndyingLoyalty Nathalie]] might seem like the more obvious choice, her [[TheDragon complicity with Gabriel's plans]] mean there's a good chance she'd end up being dragged down with him, even before [[DelicateAndSickly her health]] is taken into account. The fact that Adrien's Bodyguard is LockedOutOfTheLoop, however, means he'll have PlausibleDeniability if they're ever found out. And, obviously, Gabriel trusts him with Adrien's safety, and [[BadassBystander for]] [[BruiserWithASoftCenter good]] [[TokenGoodTeammate reason]]. |
| 704 | |
| 705 | [[WMG:Adrien was being secretly trained to wield a Miraculous - and he's not the only one.]] |
| 706 | |
| 707 | While Adrien's schedule is packed full of extracurriculars, some of them stand out. The first bit of evidence is that he's learning Chinese. While it's established that Adrien speaks multiple languages, his learning Chinese is given a bit more emphasis, which stands out in a show where the main characters' superpowers come from ancient Chinese artifacts. Next up, Adrien is taking both fencing and karate - clearly, Gabriel and[=/=]or Emilie wanted to make sure Adrien could handle himself in a fight. Finally, there's his isolation from most other children around his age. Just Gabriel (and possibly Emilie) being controlling - or fearing that someone might accidentally [[DefusingTheTykeBomb defuse their little tyke-bomb]]? Put it all together, and it's likely that Gabriel and Emilie had bigger plans for Adrien than just being a pretty face on Gabriel's billboards - and given their interest in the Miraculouses, it's likely that wielding one was in their plans for his future (although they probably weren't counting on him wielding one in [[TheLancer his current capacity]]).\ |
| 708 | |
| 709 | [[https://thechatsmeow.tumblr.com/post/616140351536873472/so-um-does-anyone-have-any-links-to-theories-abt This Tumblr post]] spells out the evidence of a connection between the Agreste, Bourgeois, Graham de Vanily, and Tsurugi families. While the former three are obvious, the Tsurugi connection is seemingly more tenuous (whatever Tomoe Tsurugi's contract with Gabriel Agreste is supposed to be) - but Gabriel and Tomoe are essentially raising their children in the same way. As the Fridge page points out, Kagami circa "Ikari Gozen" is very similar to Adrien pre-series - specifically, she's what Adrien would be if he hadn't become Cat Noir and undergone the attendant CharacterDevelopment. Also, while Gabriel would (as seen in "Cat Blanc") take Adrien and Marinette being together [[MoralEventHorizon very badly]], there's no evidence that he has any such issues with Adrien and Kagami being together. Maybe allowing him to date an outsider would be too much of a risk, while being with someone raised in a similar manner would keep Adrien more tractible, allowing Gabriel to keep steering him toward whatever his endgame is.\ |
| 710 | |
| 711 | Furthermore, at the end of "Feast", Audrey and Tomoe are seen watching the news of the temple's reappearance, as well as Gabriel and Nathalie. While the [[BigBad latter]] [[TheDragon two]]'s reasons for being interested are obvious, Tomoe and ''especially'' Audrey don't have obvious reasons to be interested - unless they're more interested in what's ''in'' the temple.\ |
| 712 | |
| 713 | All four families mentioned above have one child each, all of whom are around the same age, and three of whom have clear fighting skills. It's possibe that Kagami and Félix are undergoing similar training to Adrien's, although they are unaware of it. Chloé stands out from the other three due to her laziness and apparent lack of self-defense skills. |
| 714 | |
| 715 | [[WMG: Marinette's friend group will grow to include Kagami, Zoé, and eventually Sabrina.]] |
| 716 | It would help Kagami and Zoé due to their friendless backgrounds to become recurring members of the girl squad from Miss Bustier's class. Adding onto the above theory of Sabrina leaving Chloé, she could join the friend group to become more independent and form healthy relationships with the other girls. |
| 717 | |
| 718 | * Confirmed. |
| 719 | |
| 720 | [[WMG: Zoé's father will eventually join the cast and become friendly with Mayor Bourgeois.]] |
| 721 | The most we know about Zoé's father is that his surname is Lee. We don't know what he does, how he's involved with Zoé's life, or how he even started the affair with Audrey. A future episode will give us some answers, and will allow the two men to discuss Audrey's cheating and ironically become friends over it. |
| 722 | |
| 723 | [[WMG: Chloé will finally start to recover from her losses and truly start to redeem herself with help from Zoé and Luka.]] |
| 724 | * Continuing from the above theory, after losing Sabrina, the last remaining constant in her life, Chloé will really start to spiral downward. She will attempt to cover for her lost friendships with Sabrina and Adrien by trying to find replacements, aka, she'll try and pay people to be substitutes for them. Of course, she'll still be a massive bully towards them, eventually to the point where they either get fed up with her attitude and quit or she gets put off by their failure to live up to the real Adrien and Sabrina's standards and fires them. After going through everyone and finding that no one else will hang out with her, Chloé will go through a massive BreakTheHaughty phase, sinking into a period of loneliness, isolation, and depression, especially as Sabrina thrives in her new friendships with Marinette and the rest of their class. |
| 725 | * Throughout all this, Zoé, the only person currently in Chloé's life who isn't mad at and/or doesn't despise her, will continue to try and reach out to her and be there for her like any good sister would, but Chloé will continue to stubbornly refuse any of it, mainly out of anger for her part "stealing everything" from her. Eventually, by chance, Chloé will run into Luka and, after getting to know him, will spill to him all of her emotional baggage: her feelings, insecurities, losses, burned bridges, etc. She'll even express to him that she has nothing and no one to care about or who cares about her and feels that she doesn't feel capable of love or deserve to be loved by anyone. However, Luka will point out that Zoé cares, even after how bad Chloé has treated her since her arrival, and will try to convince her to embrace that love. What happens from there is up to interpretation for now, but this could be the start of Chloé's true redemption. |
| 726 | |
| 727 | [[WMG: Ladybug & Cat Noir Awakening will take some of the unused elements from the Anime PV]] |
| 728 | Some of the concept art, such as [[https://miraculousladybug.fandom.com/wiki/File:Ladybug_%26_Cat_Noir_Awakening.png the one of Cat Noir giving Ladybug a rose]], and [[https://miraculousladybug.fandom.com/wiki/File:Ladybug_%26_Cat_Noir_Awakening_-_Concept_art_10.png the one of Paris in chaos as Hawk Moth's symbol lights up the sky]] were both scenes that were in the Anime PV. While Marinette and Adrien's personalities will be more in-line with the final product, it's possible that this movie will follow the original plot and the DarkerAndEdgier tone of the Anime PV. |
| 729 | |
| 730 | [[WMG: There will be a ShipTease of Sabrina and Zoé]] |
| 731 | Sabrina was shown hugging Zoé’s arms in “Sole Crusher”, so it is possible for Sabrina on having some moments and a relationship with Zoé. |
| 732 | |
| 733 | [[WMG: There will be a ShipTease between Luka and Zoé]] |
| 734 | They got the same aesthetic going on with dyed hair and the type to wear leather. Zoé also has a similar enough personality to Marinette that Luka would like. |
| 735 | * They also apparently like the same type of girls, as both of them are in love with Marinette, however this makes it unlikely that they'll ever have anything going on in the future. |
| 736 | |
| 737 | [[WMG:A third human Sentimonster]] |
| 738 | While fans assume Kagami is a Sentimonster following the events of "Respresentation", it begs the question why her mother would entrust her with their family ring (if it is an amok) while Gabriel and his brother-in-law both kept their amoks (their wedding rings) with them at all times. But there is the possibility that the Tsurugi family ring is an amok, but someone else is the Sentimonster bound to it. |
| 739 | * Tomoe's mentality may be the reason for why she thought Kagami could keep her own Amok till "Pretension". She seemed to think that using psychological manipulation was enough to keep Kagami under complete control and that using magical mind control was unnecessarily. Only after Kagami went against her one too many times did she change her mind. |
| 740 | |
| 741 | [[WMG: Alternatively, Cerise is the third sentimonster.]] |
| 742 | She was created by Nadja as a big sister figure to Manon. However, Nadja felt more love at Manon and not as Cerise, dubbing the latter as a monster. Feeling abandoned, Cerise concluded HumansAreBastards and decides to seek the Miraculous to create a perfect world where humans never existed. |
| 743 | |
| 744 | [[WMG:The events of the movie canonically take place in an alternate timeline to the main series.]] |
| 745 | Adrien, and to a lesser extent Marinette's, backstory is notably different. Instead of just being a compressed retelling, it seems to be a largely different universe. Perhaps somewhere down the line there could even be a crossover between universes. |
| 746 | |
| 747 | [[WMG: Cerise will take a more active role in causing negative emotions.]] |
| 748 | While Gabriel was a busy man and usually didn't play an active role in causing a target's negative emotion himself unless the opportunity came to him by luck, Cerise has more spare time and goes outside much more often, giving her plenty of opportunities to piss people off herself. |
| 749 | |
| 750 | [[WMG: The wish isn't beholden to EquivalentExchange.]] |
| 751 | This is unlikely to be true as it would almost certainly [[ShaggyDogStory render the story pointless]], but it could be a fun headcanon or fic idea. |
| 752 | |
| 753 | So, the show claims that the powers of creation and destruction must remain in balance. But there seems to be nothing stopping a wielder of the Ladybug or Cat Miraculous from using their power alone indefinitely (as happened during Cat Noir's bout of despair in Season 4, and certainly other points in history). It only applies to the wish. Then, [[Recap/MiraculousLadybugSP03MiraculousWorldParis the "Paris" special]] shows that limitations can be placed on the kwamis to prevent them from granting a wish. Hence, the Order of the Guardians {{invoked}} the EquivalentExchange rule, fearing that the wish would be used too disruptively without it. |
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