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2	* GameShows:
3	** ''Series/ThePriceIsRight''... especially the start of the Drew Carey era, where some viewers would pick apart every change and everything Carey did that Bob Barker didn't do, and swore that this would surely be the end of the show. This gained intensity after Roger Dobkowitz's tenure as producer ended at the conclusion of Season 36, the first Carey-hosted one.
4	*** This hatred has extended to executive producer Mike Richards, to the point that the fact that he would be hosting GSN's version of ''Series/{{Pyramid}}'' made people think that that show would be ruined forever too.
5	** ''Series/WheelOfFortune'':
6	*** Some saw the original charm and magic of the show cease when original host Chuck Woolery resigned (in a pay dispute with Merv Griffin), with a bland-by-comparison host Pat Sajak.
7	*** Then, when Sajak left the NBC version (only; he remained host of the evening show) and Rolf Benirshke -- who had never hosted a TV series beforehand -- took over.
8	*** Some fans still mourn the passing of shopping after each puzzle is played, saying that the experience is the reason they tuned in in the first place.
9	*** When the daytime series moved to CBS, dropped shopping and drastically lowered the budget. The first month saw wheel values of $50 and $75, compared to the minimum $200 seen in the daytime show (by 1989).
10	** ''Series/FamilyFeud'':
11	*** The progression of hosts during the post-Ray Combs/Richard Dawson eras.
12	*** During the current Steve Harvey-era, the increasing reliance of questions appealing to the {{lowest common denominator}}.
13	* ''Series/FamilyMatters'': When the long-running series originally premiered in 1989 on ABC (as a spinoff of ''Series/PerfectStrangers''), it was touted as a gentle family comedy about a middle-class, two-income African American family. The series was getting very marginal ratings ... and then one day, a nerdy boy with a squeaky voice, suspenders and large-rimmed glasses suspended on a necklace, and an insatiable 1. crush on the protagonist family's daughter; and 2. desire to spend time with the protagonist family arrived on the scene. The show was, to the purists (some whom would have said "Oh well" had the series continued on its original course but been canceled) never the same.
14	** Urkel was introduced early enough, and the show became popular only afterward, that your average fan probably didn't start watching until he was introduced, and to many, he was the star of the show, some even calling the show itself "Urkel". But the true "ruined forever" period is probably when the series began introducing more and more sci-fi gadgets Urkel invented in his basement (where was he getting all the money?), including gadgets that turned him into other people, like Elvis, or memorably his suave alternate persona Stefon Urquell. While these wacky misadventures were initially used sparingly, they eventually took over as the show's premise, with later seasons featuring such plots as Urkel inventing a shrink ray or traveling back in time to have an adventure on a pirate ship. And this was on a show called "Family Matters".
15	* ''Series/{{Arrow}}'': The Third season is the common place to the controversy, some people will go further back and call the second season and the numerous signs of Felicity's relevance the place where it was ruined, the last episode with Deathstroke is a probable point as well, after that either Secret Origins of Felicity Smoak, Draw back your Bow, The Climb, Left Behind and Tatsu speaking of Olicity even when she doesn't know about it, Uprising and the infantile Olicity scene at the end of it, but above all The Fallen and My name is Oliver Queen are all likely candidates for the moment Arrow stopped being Arrow and became the Olicity show.
16	** Season 4 episode "Eleven Fifty Nine" deserves a mention. [[spoiler:Laurel's death]] caused massive outrages in the fandom [[spoiler:in particular fans of the Black Canary]] and launched the #No[[spoiler:Laurel]][=NoArrow=] hashtag that quickly became popular on twitter.
17	** The general reception to Season 4 of ''Arrow'' was so bad that most of the fans defected to the ''Series/Daredevil2015'' base, including the moderators over at the Arrow [[Website/{{Reddit}} subreddit]]. [[https://www.reddit.com/r/arrow/comments/4l2ym3/daredevil_discussion_thread_s01e01_into_the_ring/ Not a]] [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer joke.]]
18	** The fact that [[spoiler:Oliver and Felicity interrupt Barry and Iris' wedding to have their own]] on ''Series/CrisisOnEarthX'' would lead to the Arrow subreddit [[https://www.reddit.com/r/arrow/comments/7ga4uz/spoilers_the_punisher_discussion_thread_s1e01_3_am/ becoming]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/arrow/comments/7gb7av/spoilers_the_punisher_discussion_thread_s1e02_two/ a]] ''Series/ThePunisher2017'' forum out of protest.
19	* ''Series/{{Dexter}}'' had the timing of incestuously hooking up Dexter with his sister/step-sister Deb, which, beside being squicky, happened just when the actors had finalized their divorce in real life. Even though the two characters are NotBloodSiblings and they were never involved romantically.
20	* ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' has been jumping the shark more or less every week since 1976, depending on who you talk to. Despite the fact that there ''are'' seasons widely regarded among fans and show alums alike to be some of the worst in its run (1980-81, 94-95, and to a lesser degree, 2004-05 among them), the nature of the show dictates that there are bound to be great episodes and terrible episodes every year. Nevertheless, there are still viewers who seem to tune in every week simply to claim that the show hasn't been the same since [=Chevy Chase/Gilda Radner/Eddie Murphy/Phil Hartman/Chris Farley/Dana Carvey/Will Ferrell/Tina Fey=] left. Someone (Creator/LorneMichaels?) said that people probably began crying this starting with episode two.
21	* ''Series/TwentyFour'' fans swore up and down that if Secretary Heller survived his Season 5 plunge into the Pacific (a HeroicSacrifice to keep the BBEG from using him as a hostage), that would be one suspension of disbelief too many; a sign that the 24 producers just stopped caring and neither should we. He survived.
22	** The calls that 24 had been "ruined forever" started as early as the first season, when Teri Bauer fell out of a moving vehicle that exploded and was affected by short-term amnesia (which made her do some incredibly stupid things, like go back to the house where an assassin was stationed). Of course, this all stopped when [[spoiler:Teri died in the first-season finale]]. The fans have also leveled this term at many incidents over the years, including Kim Bauer being [[TrappedByMountainLions stalked by a cougar]], Jack Bauer dying at the end of an episode, anything [[DamselScrappy Kim]] did in season 2 and 3, the Kyle Singer subplot at the beginning of season 3, the rest of season 3, [[spoiler:Tony Almeida's]] [[AnyoneCanDie "death"]] and most of season 6. No one can agree on which was worse, even though the series has always had a chain of good-bad seasons.
23	** Other examples include the FaceHeelTurn of [[spoiler: Tony Almeida]] and [[spoiler: the death of Renee Walker]] in the final season. You can bet come the new limited series in 2014 it'll probably be hit with this at one point or another too.
24	* ''Series/DoctorWho'':
25	** The build-up and early days of the new series saw plenty of this, to the extent that one couldn't help but wonder whether the producers were taking some kind of sadistic glee in prolonging the hardcore fanboys' constant whining about the subject. Creator/PaulMcGann isn't starring? The show now sucks. The Doctor's wearing a leather jacket? The show now sucks. Creator/BilliePiper's the companion? The show now sucks. The new logo? Sucks, as does the rest of the show now. But perhaps the nadir of this was a thread on The Doctor Who Forum decrying the new series and the fact that the producers obviously didn't care... based on shots of the new TARDIS looking slightly different from the old one and ''having slightly bigger windows''. This last one was referenced directly in the series itself. Of course, even after the show had started airing, constant threads about how this episode was the worst one ever and that the producers should be fired continued for a long, long time.
26	** "Continued"? Past tense? Seriously, in the year 100000000000000, when all that's left is a planet called Malcassairo inhabited by the remnants of humanity, huddled together for warmth, one of them will still be complaining that Creator/DavidTennant isn't as good as Creator/ColinBaker, and Creator/RussellTDavies ruined the series by bringing it back and making it the most watched show on a Saturday afternoon.
27	** This is made even more ridiculous when you realize that there were at least three different "old" TARDIS props to compare it to (four if you count the one in the telemovie which, let's face it, people who complain about this kind of thing probably won't) that had all been used in the old series ''and'' the new one looked more like an actual police box than any of them.
28	*** Never mind the fact that the console room interior and the console itself changed no less than seven times over the course of the original show, only one of which -- the one in "The Time Monster" -- was universally disliked by everyone, cast, crew, and fans alike.
29	*** Also the fact that the TARDIS ''[[FanDumb is supposed to be able to change shape anyway]]''. So any alterations could just be the chameleon circuit acting glitchy before freezing up again.
30	** People were moaning that the [[Creator/RussellTDavies RTD]]-era TARDIS didn't look like a real police box several years on. Then they got a look at the Creator/StevenMoffat-era TARDIS... and a whole ''new'' round of moaning began. Moffat's transition from being the cool alternative to the official head writer basically saw him inheriting RTD's scapegoat status.
31	*** And what made this latest bout of TARDIS-related angst particularly ironic was that the Moffat-era TARDIS is clearly designed as a clear homage to / recreation of the ''original'' TARDIS prop used when the show originally debuted. They can't win coming or going.
32	** Ever since the show's earliest days, fans have cried foul whenever a new Doctor is announced. The show is always ruined forever after your favorite Doctor's tenure ended. Interestingly, some of them repeat -- 11th Doctor Creator/MattSmith was criticized for being "too young", a complaint also launched at Creator/DavidTennant, Creator/ChristopherEccleston, Creator/ColinBaker, Creator/PeterDavison, and even Creator/TomBaker. Then when an older Doctor finally came along, 12th Doctor Creator/PeterCapaldi, he was criticized for being "too old". Similarly, the departure or introduction of a new companion will be met with outrage as well. Just to show how much of a BrokenBase this show has, The Doctor Who Forum sometimes had long threads that mocked the more extreme reactions with good humor.
33	** Here is a partial list of the times ''Series/DoctorWho'' has been [[https://web.archive.org/web/20110717085007/https://doctorwho.livejournal.com/4845838.html Ruined FOREVER]]. You will note that some of them are the reversal of an event that ruined it in the first place.
34	** The debut of the new Daleks in "Victory of the Daleks" got a lot of this kind of reaction from fans. Granted, they do look quite different from previous versions, but the reaction was still quite extreme. Since this was arguably Moffat's first misstep as showrunner, at least some of this heat seemed to be a mixture of fans overreacting over the fact that he ''wasn't'' perfect after all, coupled with a bit of "we told you so!" gloating from fans of Russell T. Davies who hadn't quite managed to accept that things had moved on a bit.
35	** There were howls of outrage when Creator/CatherineTate was announced as the new companion. No way did she fit the show. She was a silly comedienne. She'd be dreadful. She turned out to be a huge favourite to the extent that many fans '''hated''' the way she was written out and wanted more of her. [[note]]The initial trepidation was fairly justified given that her previous appearance was an abrasive, one-note joke character. Fortunately she got some much needed character development off-camera and during the series.[[/note]]
36	** ''Series/DoctorWho'' didn't win at the National Television Awards. [[SarcasmMode Clear proof]] that Creator/StevenMoffat and Creator/MattSmith have RUINED DOCTOR WHO FOREVER.
37	*** In a similar vein, the fact that Series/Season 5 of the new Doctor Who didn't get ratings that were particularly outstanding is proof to the RTD-lovers that the show sucks now. Despite the fact that there was a little thing known as UsefulNotes/TheWorldCup running at the same time.
38	*** The funny thing? Even with the World Cup, S5 is pretty much in line with the ratings for S1-3. It's only when compared against S4 -- the one with Catherine Tate as companion, Billie Piper returning, and pretty much every main character in the big finale -- that it looks like a dip. And while S5's ratings weren't outstanding by Who's standards, pretty much any other UK TV drama would kill for ratings like that these days (avg. 7.7 million).
39	** It's mentioned above that fans hated the new logo introduced in 2005. What is often conveniently forgotten is the late 2004-early 2005 BBC News report that the production team, in an ultimate example of TheLawOfFanJackassery, actually reported receiving a ''death threat'' over it. A logo.
40	*** And, of course, when ''another'' new logo appeared in 2010, yet another outpouring of grief ensued. No word on any death threats, though.
41	** [[Recap/DoctorWhoTVMTheTVMovie The TV Movie]] makes the Doctor a HalfHumanHybrid? Ruined FOREVER by an American[[note]]Born in Essex, moved to the US aged 12[[/note]] who didn't get the show! The Literature/EighthDoctorAdventures give this an AuthorsSavingThrow? Ruined FOREVER by writers who didn't get Philip Segal's vision!
42	** Within seconds of the announcement, complaints were being made about the Twelfth Doctor, Peter Capaldi.
43	** In fact, it's a long-running fandom joke that ''Series/DoctorWho'' was actually DarthWiki/RuinedFOREVER when they added the alien in a time-traveling phonebox to the [[Recap/DoctorWhoS1E1AnUnearthlyChild perfectly good show about a policeman walking past a foggy junkyard at night and hearing a strange noise.]]
44	*** It turns out the joke's very close to real, as there's [[https://twitter.com/grahamkw/status/935527337898233856 a newspaper clipping]] in Creator/VerityLambert's scrapbooks stamped 7 Dec 1963 complaining the show lost its way after the first episode!
45	** "Dark Water" canonizing [[spoiler: gender bending regenerations with Missy revealed to be the Master]] earned very mixed reception.
46	** When the Doctor went back to Gallifrey to face Time Lord society in "The Deadly Assassin", and it turned out it was a DeadlyDecadentCourt based around a WholePlotReference to the WhoShotJFK conspiracy theories instead of something totally alien like CrystalSpiresAndTogas, the ''Doctor Who Appreciation Society'' fanzine announced the series was terrible now that the Time Lords were [[FanDislikedExplanation ruined]].
47	** In the 1980s, Creator/JohnNathanTurner befriended Ian Levine who began acting as unofficial 'continuity advisor' on the show, tweaking things like OneSteveLimit aversions and (occasionally) entire plot points and casting decisions. He eventually left the 'post' when JNT [[StuntCasting Stunt Cast]] the new companion with Creator/BonnieLangford.
48	** There is a faction of Who fandom who believes that the companion should be little more than eye candy, with minimal personality other than to give the Doctor a foil. The decision by Russell T Davies (and followed by Steven Moffat) to not only make the companion the co-lead but in many cases shift the perspective of episodes to the companion, coupled with the decision to create well-rounded companion characters with ongoing CharacterDevelopment, has made some fans feel the new series has ruined things forever (ignoring the fact the original series did this quite often, such as with Ace and Sarah Jane). Clara in particular made things worse as the writers chose to break the formula in favor of a 2 1/2-year arc that saw her become - in a few instances literally - the Doctor's DistaffCounterpart.
49	** The appointment of Creator/ChrisChibnall as new showrunner in January 2016 had some fans proclaiming "ruined forever" (with [[Recap/TorchwoodS1E2DayOne sentient sex gas]] being given as the biggest reason why), even though the first Chibnall episode wasn't expected to air until the autumn of 2018. Never mind the [[Series/{{Broadchurch}} insanely popular and beloved detective drama]], then…
50	** The introduction of gender-changing Time Lords led to some overly enthusiastic demands that the Thirteenth Doctor '''must''' now be played by a woman. As a result, there were those saying that Doctor Who was ruined forever by the very notion of either a) the Thirteenth Doctor being played by a woman '''or''' b) the Thirteenth Doctor being played by another man. All this taking place in late 2015, when Peter Capaldi wasn't expected to leave the role until at least the end of 2017! So when the Thirteenth Doctor, actress Creator/JodieWhittaker, was announced, naturally enough Ruined Forever! exploded all over the internet. Some particularly upset fans demanded that the show should die and that ''BBC'' itself should be boycotted for such an outrageous action. This was a particularly complex one because it was a case of a character, not a show, being accused of being ruined, and it also had the knock-on effect for ruining, for some, groundbreaking female Time Lords previously seen in the show as fans (male and female) realized that those "female" characters could now be just as easily played by male actors...
51	** The twelfth season managed to displease fans who objected to the genocide of the Time Lords ([[YoyoPlotPoint again]]), the HappyEndingOverride of the 50th anniversary special, the unwinding of the Master's character development as Missy and the Doctor's new backstory as the genetic basis of Time Lord society rather than a bored student who ran away to see the Universe. {{Strongly Worded Letter}}s may even have been written to the BBC.
52	** The 2023 60th anniversary specials have also received a lot of "ruined FOREVER" backlash in the wake of [[spoiler:the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Doctors "bigenerating" in "[[Recap/DoctorWho60thASTheGiggle The Giggle]]", allowing Creator/DavidTennant's Fourteenth Doctor to go on living and settle down with a family while the Creator/NcutiGatwa's Fifteenth Doctor goes off to have adventures.]] It isn't helped by Creator/RussellTDavies stating his theory (which is likely not actually canon) that [[spoiler:the bigeneration caused a whole {{Multiverse}} of Doctors to respawn somewhere along their own timelines, which would allow older and still-living Doctors to return without having to HandWave away why they look older and fatter. This in particular has outraged long-time fans, who feel that it subtracts from the emotional impact of past regenerations, which has until now always been treated as a final "death" of that particular incarnation of the character.]]
53	** To sum up the lessons we've learned here, the very act of making ''Series/DoctorWho'' is to in some way ruin it forever and as a whole the show's fanbase is [[UnpleasableFanbase never satisfied with anything]].
54	* ''Franchise/StarTrek'' has had this following [[FirstInstallmentWins the first series.]] While the fans have been more willing to accept some changes than other (more rabid) fandoms, it is still prominent. By far, the biggest and most irreparable change was the 2005-2009 shift in creative control; Rick Berman (whom Gene Roddenberry had personally hand-picked to succeed him as the head of the franchise), Brannon Braga, and Manny Coto were all given the boot, Majel Barrett (Gene's wife and the head of [=MBR=] Productions) died, a split between [=CBS=] and Viacom left a mess of copyright-ownership issues in its wake, and a new team of people who knew nothing about the franchise at best (Alex Kurtzman) and hated it at worst ([=JJ=] Abrams) were put in charge of making a reboot. That's a pretty airtight formula for ruining something forever, or at least forever dividing it into two very different epochs:
55	** Examples from the Roddenberry-Berman era:
56	*** The original series was canceled after two seasons. Thanks to a letter-writing campaign, it was un-canceled, but with a greatly reduced budget and most of the original writers having moved on to other projects already. The resulting third season was a disaster, and the show was canceled permanently after that.
57	*** ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' had "Franchise/StarTrek is about [[TheKirk Kirk]], [[TheSpock Spock]] and [[TheMcCoy McCoy]]. Not these [[{{Expy}} recycled people.]]" The fact that the first season had a low budget and terrible scripts, suffered a high rate of writer turnover, and was run with an iron fist by an increasingly senile Gene Roddenberry, definitely didn't help. Even the second season showed growing pains, mostly thanks to egomaniacal new showrunner Maurice Hurley, who didn't get along with most of the cast, but also was hampered by a writer's strike ending the season early with, of all things, a ClipShow. However, with [[GrowingTheBeard time]], a slowly but steadily increasing budget, the march of visual effects technology, talented actors (most notably Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner), and Roddenberry's decreasing role in day-to-day production and eventual death, ''The Next Generation'' eventually escaped the shadow of the original series in critical and popular acclaim, if not popularity. It is now regarded as one of the best Star Treks, and was also the most commercially successful.
58	*** On the other hand, there is a small subset of fans who attempt to disregard anything after Roddenberry's death (he died as the fifth season of [=TNG=] had just started to air and his illness meant he had not been even tertiarily involved in production for over a year).
59	*** ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' - "What's this about a space station? ''Star Trek'' is about strange new worlds!", in addition to accusations it was being used as a test run for BSG (an absolutely untrue claim, as Creator/JMichaelStraczynski had come up with the concept in the late 80's and had been shopping it around since at least 1990), and the entire Dominion War arc. Tends to have its own fandom compared to other Trek series. Like Next Gen, it had a rough start in its first two seasons but got pretty good in its third, and is now regarded as one of the best Treks.
60	*** Alternatively, "[=DS9=] was ruined forever when they introduced the Defiant. The whole point of the show is that they're on a space station, not exploring the other side of the galaxy! That's Voyager's job!"
61	*** ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' had its own critics but they tended to point out the series' own flaws rather than outright accusing it of ruining Star Trek forever. But it was accused of ruining ''the Borg'' forever through VillainDecay, and of just being bad.
62	*** Voyager itself was Ruined Forever when Kes left the show and Seven of Nine was brought on board. Or by Paris and Janeway's lizard babies. Or by the time when the ship was threatened by Neelix's bad cheese. Or by Seven being given a bunch of Borg kids to look after. Or by...
63	*** ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' had fans yelling "AssPull {{Ret Con}}s, it screwed up my {{fanon}}..."[[note]]A spectacular example of fan-on-fan warring occurred when the show was condemned (yes, that word was used) for having a Vulcan as a member of Starfleet, with fans claiming canon and fanon that said Spock was the first. A fan actually went through all 79 episodes of the original series and the movies and came back with the report that there was never any such reference. It didn't stop the criticism.[[/note]] at it more than probably any production in the history of the world. The producers-writers Rick Berman and Brannon Braga insisted that they were trying to adhere to pre-existing canon as much as possible, but occasionally they made some obvious errors, mostly because they were admittedly not fans of (and hadn't even ''seen'' all of) ''The Original Series''. Probably the largest gripe was that the ''Enterprise'' from the original series was supposed to be the first one ''ever'', so even with a different registry number, Archer's ship should have had a different name. This ignores the fact that even within canon there had been previous spacecraft with that name, meaning that while the ship captained by April, Pike and Kirk was the first ''Federation Starship'' to use the name (and the first with the NCC-1701 registry), it was never the first spacecraft of any kind to use it.
64	*** ''Enterprise'' started out as a back-to-basics exploration show, with a heavy 1960s [=NASA=] "The Right Stuff" vibe, which was meant to attract and be accessible to people not already familiar with the franchise, and convert them into fans. The show didn't even have "Star Trek" in the title; it was just ''"Enterprise"''. After about two seasons, the producers said "fuck that" and decided to do a season-long heavily serialized story arc about transdimensional sphere-builders, alternate timelines, and a planet-destroying Xindi superweapon, which new viewers had a hard time getting into and longtime fans didn't recognize as having anything to do with the rest of Star Trek, thereby ruining ''Enterprise'' (which had been renamed ''Star Trek: Enterprise'') forever. Then Season 4 came along and spent nearly all of its time [[CallBack setting up or explaining stuff that happened in the other shows and movies]], rather than telling its own stories. Did we ''really'' need a two-episode arc just to explain why some Klingons have rubber foreheads and others don't, or dropping an otherwise-forgotten [[TheReveal Big Reveal]] that Orion slave girls aren't slaves at all but [[TheManBehindTheMan secretly running the syndicate with behavior-altering pheremones]]?
65	*** The decision in the mid-2000s to (initially) replace the original version of the 1960s series in syndication and a home-video release with a remastered version that saw most of the "cheesy" (but at the time state of the art) special effects replaced with cheesy, already-dated-looking CGI, as well as numerous editorial changes to the episodes themselves, led many fans to shout "ruined forever!", though there was a bit of rejoicing when Paramount did what it said was impossible and included the original versions of the episodes on the Blu-ray releases. Speculation that ''TNG'' may get similar treatment in the future was met with preemptive "Ruined forever!" calls, sight unseen; ultimately, however the remastered TNG episodes took a less editorial approach and for the most part stuck to the original templates, rather than creating brand-new effects, try to fix continuity errors, and replace the music soundtracks.
66	** The Kurtzman era:
67	*** The [[Film/StarTrek2009 eleventh movie]] and its sequels are mentioned in the "film" examples list.
68	*** ''Series/StarTrekDiscovery'' carries on the proud tradition. A streaming service-exclusive? Ruined. A CosmeticallyAdvancedPrequel? Ruined. Klingons with [[RubberForeheadAliens different forehead bumps]] and a different design aesthetic? ''So'' ruined. It goes even further with the potentially shaky science of the "Spore Drive", which is evidently based on actual research but still seems a huge stretch, while making the lead character Spock's foster sister is further proof of ruination.
69	*** The conclusion of Season 2 included something of an AuthorsSavingThrow, explaining in plain terms why Spock never mentions having a foster sister and why the Spore Drive was never used or mentioned in any series set after this time. That said, people who enjoyed the new tone of the first season complained that the second was too much "fan wish fulfillment", and thus the second season ruined ''Discovery'' FOREVER. As for the third, abandoning the prequel setting for a distant sequel setting instead again ruined it FOREVER.
70	*** ''Series/StarTrekPicard'' and ''WesternAnimation/StarTrekLowerDecks'' have managed to escape this treatment... sort of. No one is saying "Picard and/or Lower Decks ruined Star Trek forever", but there's a '''lot''' of "Picard and Lower decks are further proof that Abrams and Kurtzman ruined Star Trek forever".
71	*** Probably more so than the other series, the two newest, ''Series/StarTrekProdigy'' and ''Series/StarTrekStrangeNewWorlds'' were met with largely positive reactions (at least from those who watched them). Then ''Prodigy'' was cancelled and ''Strange New Worlds'' retconned Khan, thus ruining both.
72	* ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' gets this a lot, as the writers have a tendency to introduce seemingly random and ill-considered plot arcs that require a leap of faith on the audiences' part, setting audience members into tailspins. These are the various decisions and plot twists that have caused various fans to declare the show RUINED FOREVER!
73	** Early female audiences tended to hate recurring female characters, arguing that they were cliched and difficult to identify with, or that they took screen time away from with the [[HoYay relationships between male characters]], which they identified with as more realistic and better developed, and (this point is key) [[MrFanservice involved a lot of very attractive men]]. The deaths of Jo, Bela, and Ruby were attributed by creators to audience reaction. When Jo showed up in Season 2, the fans complained that she was annoying, so Creator/EricKripke [[PutOnABus left her in some random bar]], and ultimately gave Jo and Bela a [[AlasPoorScrappy tragic send-offs]] to end claims that a romance would ruin the show. Female characters are still often considered {{Base Breaking Character}}s, and the show [[DisposableWoman has a developed a reputation for the fate of its female characters]].
74	** Season 2: Dean's survivor guilt was portrayed realistically, turning him into a broken little shell of a boy. Given how, in virtually every childhood flashback, John comes across as being abusive towards Dean, and the coping problems that both brothers were having (Dean in particular), the series was exceedingly bleak and angsty.
75	** Season 3: If you declared season three ruined FOREVER, it was probably because the plot centered around the effects of Dean's personal IdiotBall (his deal with the demons) while the second series centered around his father's. If the characters hadn't learned, by the end of season two, how terrible the demon deals were by this point, it felt like the characters were too self-destructive to ever resolve their problems.
76	** Season 4: the angel arc is the show's most polarizing element, dividing fans into those who prefer the episodic horror-movie structure of the previous series, and those who prefer an the overarching MythArc that the angel storyline provided. Many fans in the first group consider the show to be RUINED FOREVER at this point.
77	*** Some fans found Sam a whole lot less sympathetic after his addiction to demon blood; Sam was always pretty manipulated, but there comes a point where he will pretty much do or say anything for another hit.
78	*** New character [[MrFanservice Castiel]] quickly became a BaseBreakingCharacter with some fans accusing the character of [[SpotlightStealingSquad hogging the limelight]], while others praised his [[HoYay relationship with Dean]] and [[EnsembleDarkHorse unexpected rise to popularity]].
79	** Season 5: The angel mythology arc continued and the show became far less episodic, spurring more cries that the show moved too far away from early years of urban myth. Also, the time travel episodes are viewed by some as ridiculous after the show established that you can't change the past through time travel. Cue the claims of Ruined FOREVER!
80	** Season 6: PostscriptSeason issues begin to arise with the departure of the original showrunner and end of the apocalypse arc, resulting in an oddly plotted season arc in which some of the show's most sympathetic and/or likeable characters behave wildly out of character or are implied to be dead. YMMV whether the quality of the stand-alone episodes dropped dramatically, but the size of the show's audience definitely had. As of the Season 6 finale, one of the show's most likeable and sympathetic characters [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds went darkside]], and a whole new wave of "RUINED FOREVER" arose.
81	** Season 7: The quality of the stand-alone episodes did not improve over season 6, and may have gotten much worse, but the angel/demon storylines were largely replaced by the far less inspiring monsters, the Leviathan. There's not much for [[BrokenBase fans of the myth arc]]. And while Sam is more sympathetic than he's been in a long time, it's harder to watch it for the drama between characters because [[spoiler: Bobby died]], Crowley has been too distracted to mess with the Winchesters and [[spoiler: Cas is comatose, insane or MIA]]. So they've got members of [[BrokenBase all their fanbases]] crying "RUINED FOREVER".
82	** Season 8: Sam not looking for Dean [[spoiler: while he was in Purgatory]] had people calling OutOfCharacter from day one. The narrative and WordOfGod tried to push it as Sam maturing, but the fans saw it as a monstrous betrayal of both the characters and the show's message about the importance of family. This resulted in further fracturing of the base, when the show regressed the maturation they’d touted as an excuse in the season finale.
83	*** This season also introduced [[TheScrappy Amelia]], probably the most hated female character the show has ever had, which is quite an accomplishment given the show's history with female characters.
84	** Season 9: From Sam’s possession by the angel Gadreel once again meaning [[YoYoPlotPoint something was wrong with Sam]] to Dean’s clumsy attempts to [[AesopAmnesia lie his way through the season]], and Castiel’s much-publicized stint as a human being [[StatusQuoIsGod cut short almost immediately]], many factions of the fandom were disgruntled with the story.
85	*** The decision to pointlessly kill the only non-white reoccurring guest star created a backlash that led to some giving up on the long-running show.
86	** Season 10: Demon Dean being used to [[AnticlimaxCut drink and sing Karaoke]] did little for fans hoping to see a more complex storyline, and the VillainDecay of Crowley continued throughout the season. [[RecycledScript Sam was lying to Dean this time]] and convinced it was for his brother’s sake, and Castiel ended up as a puppet [[WeakWilled AGAIN]].
87	*** The [[BuryYourGays gratuitous murder]] of LipstickLesbian Charlie Bradbury at the hands of Nazis who leave her body in a shower led to very vocal backlash and even led to showrunner Jeremy Carver being booed during the show's San Diego Comic Con panel.
88	* ''Series/{{Lost}}''
89	** The [[spoiler: "introduction" of time travel in season 5]], though this plot element had already been introduced two seasons earlier, and there were certainly people who complained about it then, too.
90	** The introduction of new characters in seasons 4 and 5.
91	** Not to mention how polarizing the [[BrokenBase finale]] was.
92	* ''[[Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000 MST3K]]'' was accused of this with every single cast change, but especially when Joel left. Both cancellations would pull old Joel fans out of the woodwork to blame the casting of Mike for the show's failure.
93	** The funny thing is, [[WordOfGod in interviews]] Joel pretty much said that he would have asked Mike to host the show in the first place had he been there from the beginning.
94	*** It gets crazier - Mike has admitted [[WordOfGod in the past]] that he thought Joel was a better host.
95	*** And crazier still - both hosts have been known to start anonymous fights on message boards saying that the other was better.
96	** When [[TheOtherDarrin Kevin Murphy took over as Tom Servo]], one watcher [[ReplacementScrappy didn't approve of the change]] and went to the trouble of making a large banner reading "''I HATE TOM SERVO'S NEW VOICE''" and mailing it to Best Brains. Kevin Murphy [[TakeThat kept the banner as a keepsake]].
97	* The DVD Extras from ''Series/RedDwarf'' include a tale from one of the production staff in which, after the reintroduction of the Time Drive into series seven episode ''Tikka To Ride,'' he arrived at a convention and was bluntly told that the new time drive had ruined the show forever.
98	** There is some logic to this, in that the drive in this episode seemed capable of taking the characters anywhere in time and space (despite a good joke in the previous season pointing out that it could only do time travel, which was pretty useless in deep space), when the series' whole premise was them being stuck together on a ship with the ostensible long-term goal of getting back to earth.
99	*** Dimensional anomalies made the cargo bay 300% bigger - it stands to reason the time drive became a time and matter drive. Although Kryten's subsequent "jabbing at it too hard" may have dissuaded the crew from ever using it again.
100	*** The reintroduction of the Time Drive also negated the moral of the previous episode — they had to destroy the Time Drive in order to not become total gits. Now they suddenly could have their cake and eat it too.
101	** Open any lengthy discussion on Red Dwarf -- ANY discussion -- and you will find several posts complaining about how the show was never the same after Series VII / V / III / I. The humour / sense of adventure / originality died the moment Kryten / Starbug / Kochanski / Kill Crazy was introduced.
102	* ''Franchise/KamenRider'':
103	** ''Series/KamenRiderHibiki'' was Ruined FOREVER in the eyes of execs due to the fact it had a ''female'' rider on TV, something that is considered "taboo" with ''Kamen Rider'' (most females who had to transform had to rely on an "anybody can use a TransformationTrinket" or is a rubber monster). Needless to say, the exec associated the failure of the later season of ''Hibiki'' with a female rider being one of them. ''Series/KamenRiderKiva'' was when the producers felt ready to allow the women to wear a rider belt again.
104	*** That's weird, considering Kamen Rider Femme was a prominent character in the earlier ''Series/KamenRiderRyuki'' movie.
105	*** It's more a fact that while Creator/ToshikiInoue likes to promote more women wearing a Rider belt (Save ''[[Series/KamenRiderAgito Agito]]'', ''[[Series/KamenRider555 555]]'', ''Hibiki'' starting at episode 30 and ''Kiva''), ''Hibiki'' was the first true attempt to place a female Rider on TV, something that hasn't been done since Series/KamenRiderStronger's sidekick Tackle. Unfortunately, it was done during post 30 (when ExecutiveMeddling [[JumpTheShark sent everything to hell]]) which had the unfortunate association that Shuki was responsible. Hence none of the series not directed by Inoue had a woman using a Rider belt. A bit of a fear by the executives.
106	*** It should be noted that said female ''Hibiki'' Rider eventually got a much fairer treatment in ''Series/KamenRiderDecade'' [[spoiler:until the Rider War begins. [[AnyoneCanDie She's not alone in that part, though]]]]. Which leads us to our next bullet point...
107	** Every single thing that happens in ''Series/KamenRiderDecade'' doesn't just ruin itself, it destroys the entire 38-year ''Franchise/KamenRider'' franchise. The AlternateUniverse versions of the Riders being less than perfect, [[Series/KamenRiderKuuga Yuusuke]] being the comic relief, the costume designs for Decade and Diend... yup, ''Kamen Rider'' is dead. Don't even try to debate it. It's dead. Ironically, Decade's mission is to stop the entire Multiverse from being Ruined FOREVER in the most literal fashion possible...
108	** ''Series/KamenRiderDragonKnight'' got this right off the bat, from people who assumed beforehand that it was going to be a half-assed adaptation of ''Series/KamenRiderRyuki''. When the show actually aired, however, this proved not to be the case at all and it gained quite a fan following -- [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff especially]] [[RecursiveImport back in Japan]]. Executive producer Steven Wang ([[JustForFun/OneOfUs himself a big]] ''Franchise/KamenRider'' [[JustForFun/OneOfUs fan]]) commented directly on this attitude, saying "the original Japanese versions will always be there for them to enjoy and, despite what they believe, no one can ever take that away."
109	* ''Series/TheOfficeUS'' inspired this reaction when it was revealed in the final episode of the fifth season that [[spoiler: Pam got pregnant. Common lore holds that when a baby is added to the show, it always jumps the shark. So without any sort of proof or indication of actual decline, the fandom leaped to that conclusion. Despite otherwise loving the fifth season. It turns out the baby didn't cause a shark jump, but other factors involving Jim and Pam's marriage would.]]
110	** Also, when Michael (Steve Carell) left near the end of the seventh season, many fans declared THEY WOULDN'T WATCH AT ALL. And every story line including him in the seventh season was accused of trying to make us like him less/foreshadow his death (yeah, what?). While it is generally agreed that the series jumped the shark following Michael's departure, it definitely was not preparing to kill the character, and in fact most attribute the problem with the last two seasons to be that the writers ruined characters like Andy and Dwight trying to turn them into "the new Michael" and that Creator/JamesSpader being added for a season was unnecessary, distracting and didn't make us appreciate Andy's new role any better, as Spader seemed to have walked in from another show all together.
111	* Within hours of the [[WhamEpisode notoriously destructive]] ''Series/{{Torchwood}}'' episode "Children of Earth, Day Four", fans were already declaring the series Ruined FOREVER and refusing to watch [[spoiler:unless Ianto was brought back to life.]]. Creator/RussellTDavies may have hit the fanbase's BerserkButton, which is extreme since Torchwood fandom isn't exactly known for its tranquility.
112	** There's a ''shrine'' for Ianto in Cardiff Bay.
113	** A lot of fans also complain about ''Children of Earth'' in general, as they expected [[SoBadItsGood cracky fun]] with a CastFullOfGay but got "HumansAreBastards: The Miniseries" with a ''serious'' DownerEnding.
114	** There was even more outcry when ''Torchwood'' aired on Starz and was co-produced by them. Deciding to set ''Miracle Day'' [[MultipleDemographicAppeal in North America]] certainly didn't soften any blows, nor did cranking the sexual content up to eleven because Starz. Possibly justified as ''Miracle Day'' underperformed in the ratings and no further seasons were commissioned.
115	* ''Series/{{Heroes}}'' was declared Ruined FOREVER after the Season 3 finale, which saw [[spoiler:Nathan killed and replaced by a {{Brainwashed}} Sylar]]. Notably, this development managed to piss off both fans ''and'' haters of [[spoiler:Sylar]], the former because [[spoiler:Sylar's screentime will presumably be reduced now he's Nathan]]; the latter because [[spoiler:they think Sylar's a CreatorsPet and this is just a cheap way to keep him on the show]].
116	** Many fans place the "ruined forever" watershed (which in this case is synonymous with JumpingTheShark) in Season 2 when the storyline includes Hiro finding himself in the middle of Shogun 2.0 for multiple episodes.
117	*** Some of this was due in part to the 2007 writers' strike--the show was forced to end its second season early, and when it came back, it just sort of went "nope, that never happened" with several plotlines (Peter's Irish pals; Micah's awesome cousin Monica, etc). It was a very, very weird case of {{Retcon}} and many felt the show was never the same.
118	* ''Franchise/SuperSentai'' fans pretty much despised the appearance of the Battliser from ''Series/PowerRangersSPD'' in the non-canon crossover movie ''Series/MahouSentaiMagiranger vs. [[Series/TokusouSentaiDekaranger Dekaranger]]'', some to the point of threatening to boycott the franchise.
119	** Many fans began complaining the franchise was Ruined FOREVER by the sheer existence of ''Series/EngineSentaiGoOnger''. Some were placated the following year by ''Series/SamuraiSentaiShinkenger'' (popular almost to the point of FandomHeresy to say you dislike it), others [[FanDumb thought Shinkenger had continued the trend of edging out plot and characterization in favor of merchandising]] and the series is still Ruined FOREVER.
120	** When early rumors for ''Series/ZyudenSentaiKyoryuger'' suggested that the series would have a Caucasian actor on the main team, the fandom exploded and started calling for boycotts (it turned out to be false anyway). Then they introduced a Causasian actor as a semi-recurring guest Ranger, and those same fans re-exploded all over again.
121	* Meanwhile, ''Franchise/PowerRangers'' was ruined forever when Jason, Trini, and Zack left, when Rita left, when Rita ''returned,'' when the [[Series/PowerRangersZeo suits changed]], when the cast changed again, when they adopted the new-season-is-new-show Franchise/SuperSentai format, when [[MyRealDaddy Judd and Jackie]] left, when it went to Disney, when Bruce Kalish came along, when it went to Nickelodeon, when a new series ''does'' have connections to a past series in defiance of the Sentai format, when Hasbro took over, and when any more lighthearted series happened. Note to ''Power Rangers'' producers present and future: Whatever you do, ''don't'' make it similar to sentai. How uncreative. Also, ''don't'' make it different from sentai. Way to horribly bastardize the holy original.
122	* ''Series/ICarly'':
123	** When "iStart a Fan War" was announced as having major implications for the romantic endgame, the Seddie shippers got whipped up and some of them said they would stop watching the show if they didn't get what they wanted. And the episode turned out to be nothing but an AuthorTract saying that the show is about comedy and not romance. There was no Creddie or Seddie at all. The fans in question felt insulted by the episode, and were furious when the Creator/DanSchneider blog was deleting their negative comments. It forced him into a backflip and writing an apology blog.
124	** The Seddie arc was expected by the creator Creator/DanSchneider to beat the shows highest rated episode ever (''iSaved Your Life'' with 12.7 million viewers). The first episode got 7 million, not a bad result. However, things went downhill fast. Every episode for the rest of the arc lost viewers, and the final 5th episode in the arc posted the worst ratings in the history of the show. Viewers tuned out in their millions and never came back. Combined with several other issues like less episodes being made and many of the writing staff leaving to join ''Series/{{Victorious}}'', it is incredible at how quickly the show declined. It is a clear case of ExecutiveMeddling going wrong. Nick and Creator/DanSchneider overestimated the effect pandering to the Sam/Freddie online fanbase would have in the ratings. As ''Series/ICarly'' is Nick's top show, its failure has dragged down sister show ''Series/{{Victorious}}'' and the network itself, to the point where Nick execs were attacking the ratings provider because they couldn't believe their shows were rating so poorly.
125	* Similarly, sister show ''Series/{{Victorious}}'' has been getting this, most notably from people on the Victorious Wiki who claim that the episodes suck because either Tori comes out on top in the end, and wanting Jade to get things her way [[KarmaHoudini even when she does unbelievable things without reprimandation]], or Tori getting to sing a new song, you name it. While Dan Schneider takes pride in his fans, especially the ones who enjoy his works, this show proves how unpleasable some of them are. You will always find someone complaining on that Wiki whenever a new episode airs.
126	** An example was back in August 2010, when Perez Hilton was announced for Wi-Fi in the Sky, there were people (who might not even be fans of the show) that claimed Nickelodeon was crossing the MoralEventHorizon by allowing him on a children's show. [[note]]This is because Perez was known to be a celebrity blogger who would do inappropriate things commonly.[[/note]]
127	** Victorious was also in a way responsible for more Ruined Forever on iCarly. Before it started iCarly was shooting dozens of episodes at a time and had just finished its strongest season. Then Victorious came along and took away the energy and time of the writing staff, making iCarly less funny. In addition, limited facilities meant that Victorious had to take over iCarly's studio for months at a time, meaning not as many episodes were done.
128	* In ''Series/{{Buffy\|The Vampire Slayer}}'', this trope was brought up by fans of the series every time a major change was made, despite most of them being either necessary or for the better. For example, when another slayer was added, when said slayer died, when another slayer became a recurring character, when Willow began to train as a witch, when the show stopped being about high school, when [[Series/{{Angel}} Angel and Cordelia]] left the series for their own SpinOff (which was Ruined FOREVER from the beginning), when Buffy got a human love interest, when Buffy got a little sister, when Buffy's human love interest left, when there was a musical, when a character popular with males and featured in romance with a male character [[AssPull suddenly became gay]], and so on and so forth. Worth a special mention is when Oz left the series, to be replaced with a new love interest for Willow, Tara. Fans violently hated the change in Willow and and Tara herself, with innumerable fans declaring the show Ruined FOREVER because of her mere presence. The same fans then proceeded to declare the show Ruined FOREVER when [[spoiler:Tara was killed off several seasons later]].
129	** The Season 8 comics, oh the Season 8 comics.
130	*** Which actually turned out to be of very high quality. Not to mention the fact that in comic form, Buffy is now in its ''fourth'' season and is very much the canonical continuation of the series.
131	* ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'' suffered this in three waves. First of all, there were those who ''immediately'' declared ''Battlestar'' Ruined Forever as soon as it was announced the revival would, in fact, be a ContinuityReboot (the much-reviled [[Creator/KateeSackhoff female Starbuck]] ended up becoming a Favorite for many of those who did watch). Later, Ruined Forever hit when the show began verging into more ContemplateOurNavels and GrayAndGreyMorality territory in the late second and entire third seasons. Finally, the last wave hit with the second half of the fourth season, with dislike of the finale episode retroactively colouring the rest of the series for some.
132	** What makes this egregious, however, is that as a result some fans have sworn off ''ever'' touching ''Battlestar'' or ''anything'' written by the same writers ever again. This is part of ''Series/{{Caprica}}'s'' ratings problem - "fans" (the term is used loosely) ''actually '''refuse''''' to watch the show, in spite of good reviews, out of a grudge against the previous show's writers (forgetting that the writing staff, while having some of the same writers, also has several new ones).
133	*** You're overlooking the fact that it's still irrevocably connected with ''Battlestar''. People who were disillusioned by the show's ending are naturally going to be put off by any spin-off, regardless of the quality.
134	** ironically, many fans are now decrying about the announced movie because classic series creator Glenn A Larson, is going to be in charge and says he [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks wants it to be more true to the original than the Ron Moore reimagining]].
135	** And, of course, ''Series/BattlestarGalactica1978'' suffered from some of the same problems, particularly thanks to ''Galactica 1980''.
136	*** And not without reason. This has a better claim than the reboot series to Ruined Forever status, because it's (supposedly, though illogically) set in the same continuity.
137	** One reason why the reboot generates such hate in some quarters of fans of the original is that it's not just a reboot, not simply a change, it often comes across as a 'rebuttal', for want of a better word, to the original. The writers manage to give a strong, distinct impression in their work that they intensely ''dislike'' the source material from the original BG.
138	*** This seems like an assertion/belief rather than something that was actually evident. At worst, the original series is considered a rather twee 70s show that never caught on like Star Wars managed to.
139	* ''Series/AmericanIdol''. Either the bit where Paula left, the bit where they replace her with a ''comedian'', or the upcoming season 10, ''sans Simon''.
140	** When Kara was added this popped up almost instantly. Usually mixed with cries of "She doesn't judge fairly! She only cares about teh bishies!" ignoring that she normally didn't comment on how a contestant looked with the exception of Casey in Season 9.
141	* ''Series/TopGearUK'':
142	** When they did a four-way race across London with a car, a bicycle, a boat, and public transport, Jeremy Clarkson accused Richard Hammond of ruining the show forever when he, on a bicycle, arrived first. Clarkson wasn't exactly guiltless, however, for he'd come in second place in the boat. When the Stig arrived third (having taken public transit), they all shifted the blame to James May, dead last ''in the car''. They proceeded to un-ruin ''Top Gear'' by [[BlatantLies claiming the whole film had been faked]].
143	** The ''very instant'' that Jeremy Clarkson was sacked (for [[RoleEndingMisdemeanor punching a producer]], no less), a significant and very vocal portion of the fanbase started to proclaim this, and they've been proclaiming it ever since at every opportunity, almost to the point of tedium.
144	* ''Series/TopGearUS''. Fans of the UK version have decried the US version as ruining the whole Top Gear franchise as a whole. The big reason cited was that since the US version would be airing on a for-profit TV channel (vs. UK's home on a quasi-governmental free public TV channel), car reviews would have an unreasonably biased slant in the positive rather than brutal honest reviews to appease the sponsors and advertisers. Imagine Jeremy Clarkson unable to say 99% of the things he says about the cars he drives, including on why he hates the car or says some outrageous analog on how he'd rather have bird flu than own a particular model. One possible work around is to utilize car models not produced by the manufacturers anymore a/or actively supported... which then led to the complaint that the US version was too heavily invested in the "cheap car challenges" which would dominate the entire episode.
145	* There has likely never been a finale episode of any long-running, popular series (particularly any with ongoing story arcs) that ''hasn't'' been at the receiving end of this trope.
146	** It's difficult to find people who object to the end episode of ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration''. Those who liked the series seemed to like the ending. In fact, the usual criticism is that ''All Good Things...'' is how the higher-budgeted [=NextGen=] movie ''Film/StarTrekGenerations'' should have been. It may be that this trope applies to series finale episodes that try to "wrap things up" much more than TNG did.
147	* ''Series/DeadliestWarrior'' announces on the {{Spike}} website that they're doing a special one-time 'fantasy' episode with [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Vampires]] vs. [[OurZombiesAreDifferent Zombies]]. Cue most of the comments on the response page being about how this'll ruin the show, how this'll be the last season of Deadliest Warrior, 'worst idea ever', etc.
148	** Retrospect, it did end up being a stupid episode, and it seems a combination of backlash over this episode, already dwindling viewership, and the guy they brought in to replace Geiger being outed as a liar in regards to his military service has resulted in the show being cancelled. They still seem to want to milk it by piggybacking on Chivalry: Medieval Warfare's success.
149	* A weird variation occured with ''Series/{{Misfits}}'', with about 90% of the hardcore fans deeming the show officially ruined after the first two seasons (despite the third season not even having been filmed yet) following the news that the most popular character (Nathan) is being written out. Fan responses have been absolutely savage, with a good chunk of the fanbase vowing to boycott the show. Even those who remain loyal are in a state of uproar, and hate campaigns have been launched against almost everyone involved - the actor who's leaving, the writer, the producers, Nathan's replacement character 'Rudy' (who hasn't even been cast yet), and even other cast members for trying to defend the series and calm the fans down. While anyone who's taken so much as a glimpse at the show will be baffled as to how they're going to make it work without Nathan, the cries of Ruined FOREVER are still a little premature.
150	** NOTE: It has since been announced that [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Gilgun Joseph Gilgun]] will play Rudy; whether this will affect the angry hordes remains to be seen.
151	** It has, a little, given that Gilgun's a pretty respected actor. But there is still plenty of FanDumb floating around. A sizeable number of fans have deemed Rudy a ReplacementScrappy already, a worrying proportion of them rejecting him on the basis that he isn't as [[MrFanservice good-looking]] as Creator/RobertSheehan. However, more troubling still for the fandom at large is the news that Howard Overman (the Series' creator, and sole writer up until now) is having more limited involvement in the show from now on and is only going to be writing four of this season's eight episodes. All in all, it's pretty understandable that the fans are worried.
152	* A considerable majority of the fandom of ''Series/GilmoreGirls'' seems to agree that the extremely literal LukeYouAreMyFather plot in season six, in which Luke discovers he has a daughter named April by a former girlfriend, is the indisputable [[JumpingTheShark Jump the Shark]] moment for the show, particularly because she was more or less a younger version of Rory (precocious, chatty, etc) and most especially because she contributed to the slow, painful, [[OutOfCharacterMoment out-of-character]] demise of the [[FanPreferredCouple Luke/Lorelai relationship]]. Coupled with the departure of show creators Amy and Daniel Palladino at the end of the sixth season, the show was never really the same after that.
153	* ''Series/TheTonightShow'' every time a new host takes over. Steve Allen fans said this when Jack Paar took over. Jack Paar fans said this when Johnny Carson took over. Johnny Carson and Creator/DavidLetterman (who was a guest host at one point) fans said this when Jay Leno took over. Jay Leno fans said this when Creator/ConanOBrien took over. Conan O'Brien fans said this when Jay Leno took over again. And when Jimmy Fallon took over ... well, okay, maybe ''this'' time the complainers had a point.
154	* ''Series/BoardwalkEmpire'' had this screamed from the rooftops after the 2nd season finale in which [[spoiler: Nucky kills Jimmy]].
155	* ''Series/{{CSI}}'' got a TON of this after Grissom's departure. It's resurfacing now to a lesser extent with Catherine leaving, though some do think that bringing in D.B.Russell pulled the show out of its Ray Langston-induced nose dive somewhat. Trouble in the GSR ship post-"Forget Me Not" has some yelling this again
156	* This started on Series/{{Bones}} within minutes of the end of the 6th season, after the Booth/Bones hookup, and when Brennan's pregnancy was announced.
157	* ''Series/{{Highlander}}'', after Richie's death.
158	* While ''Series/GossipGirl''s Dan & Blair arc gained a group of passionate followers the majority of the fans had this reaction. Fandom has now turned ugly.
159	* Some fans of ''Series/TwoAndAHalfMen'' claimed eternal ruination when Charlie Sheen's character was removed.
160	* At the end of series four of ''Series/{{Merlin\|2008}}'', Myth/KingArthur married Guinevere, thus elevating her to the position of Queen. Because she's now his wife, it's likely (as the writers have vaguely hinted at in a couple of interviews) that she'll have more screen-time in series five, that she'll act as Arthur's confidant, and that (naturally) she'll be sharing a bed with her husband. The show is now deemed irreversibly destroyed by many viewers, who believe that the presence of a woman will impinge on the Sacred Bromance of Arthur and Merlin.
161	** Some are now screaming it after Merlin said "there is no room for magic in Camelot".
162	* ''Series/{{Community}}'' is generating this reaction from some fans since creator Creator/DanHarmon was fired as showrunner. The general vibe from the detractors is that "something's missing" and the show is heading into more typical sitcom territory.
163	** Although news of Harmon's return has been greeted with celebration, expect some people to claim bringing him back has ruined the show forever. This then proceeded to hit even harder with [[Music/ChildishGambino Donald Glover's]] departure early into the fifth season.
164	* ''Series/TheWire'' got this by fans after the second season, which didn't focus on the urban street life as much. The cries quickly stopped after the focus was back on the Baltimore "corners" and the brutal reign of Marlo Stanfield during season three.
165	* It is common for any show that gets popular on BBC Two to get moved across to the flagship channel, BBC One. This will invariably be accompanied by an outpouring of [=RUINED FOREVER!=] from people moaning that they're bound to change the show to fit in on BBC One, just like what happened to... um... er... yeah, well it'll probably happen [=THIS=] time...
166	* Depending on who you talk to, ''Series/{{House}}'' jumped the shark at one of the following: when the original team was fired, when [[spoiler: Kutner]] committed suicide, when House went into rehab, when House finally started with Cuddy, when House broke up with Cuddy, or when House went to jail. (The last one was more a case of the producers [[DidntThinkThisThrough failing to anticipate the normal audience reaction to seeing someone crash a car into a room where there were people, and potentially a toddler.]]) Ironically, the final season was ''much'' better received than the previous two.
167	* Fans declared ''Series/OnceUponATime'' ruined forever after the revelation that [[spoiler: Peter Pan is Rumplestiltskin's father]].
168	** The introduction of [[spoiler: Queen Elsa from Frozen]] had a similar reaction.
169	* ''Series/OnlyFoolsAndHorses'':
170	** In 1996 the series went out on a high with a [[HappilyEverAfter perfect ending]] with the Trotters [[RidingIntoTheSunset walking off into the sunset]] having finally become millionaires after 15 years of ups and downs. OFAH was then [=RUINED FOREVER!=] when it was cynically dragged out of retirement five years later for three more episodes, just so the BBC could win a few more Christmas ratings wars.[[note]]All three new episodes were filmed in 2001, yet were shown one at a time over three Christmases.[[/note]] The main complaints were that the new episodes were simply less funny with contrived silly plots and lacked the sparkle of earlier episodes. A lot of criticism also centred around Damien (a toddler when last seen, but now an awful BrattyHalfPint). Worst of all, the Trotters had to lose their fortune so they could go back to being market traders living in a council flat and driving a three-wheeled van, making the events of the classic 1996 episodes AllForNothing.
171	** Of course, there are others who think the show never recovered its credibility after the 1992 episode "Miami Twice", in which the two main characters were essentially [[SuspensionOfDisbelief put into a spoof American gangster movie]].
172	* The ending to ''Series/HowIMetYourMother.'' When most people think of the show they see it as a fun, funny comedy series. A lot of fans get the feeling the writers ignored that and threw nine seasons of writing out the window with the way they put the characters through the wringer and a big KickTheDog moment on their behalf. Remember the outrage over the ending of ''{{Series/Lost}}?'' That was a day at the beach next to this with many thinking the doctor should have slapped the stork that delivered the writers.
173	** The ending was so despised, that when the final season was released on DVD, it included an alternate ending where [[spoiler: Tracy (The Mother) lives and still married to Ted in 2030, and Barney and Robin, while they still divorce, are hinted to get back together.]]
174	* Any time that ''Series/GameOfThrones'' diverges from the original books, legions of fans will proclaim the show to be officially Ruined Forever. It can be a change as major as the addition of a CanonForeigner or killing of a character who is still alive in the books, to something as minor as two characters who don't meet in the books having a brief meeting on the series, or even a character's ''hair or eye color being different''. Still others declare the show "ruined FOREVER" because a character described as beautiful or handsome in the novels is portrayed by someone they don't find attractive.
175	** The cries of "ruined FOREVER" are so loud with this show that despite the fact that the central plot line hasn't really deviated at all from the novels (though many B- or C-plots have), there are plenty of fans suggesting that David Bennioff and DB Weiss no longer like or care about the books and are writing their own story with borrowed characters. There are even some who have suggested that "D&D" will start killing characters like Tyrion or Arya just for spite.
176	** The fact that with Series 5 and moreso with Series 6 the series has now bypassed where Martin is in the books is likely to result in more calls of "ruined forever" as the series will no doubt kill or promote characters that Martin may well keep alive or in different functions. The fact Martin, as insurance against his death before the end of the series, is known to have fully briefed the showrunners on his plans for the remaining books and the ultimate outcome of the series, makes little difference. Some fans have said they'd rather see the series pause and let the books catch up, even though given the time between books, death of writers or the necessity to use TheOtherDarrin as actors age or move on to other projects are likely issues in such a scenario.
177	** "Season 8 ruined everything and I don't want to watch ''Series/HouseOfTheDragon'' for this reason!" was frequently heard before it premiered.
178	* ''Series/SesameStreet'': While not as bad as other shows that went into [[SeasonalRot seasonal rot]], depending on one's point of view and what year they grew up on Sesame Street, it is mainly based on the most divisive changes that caused people to outgrow this show. The most common reactions are:
179	** 1980-1985: Some people complained about Elmo, and they call him the "little red menace" (which is what Oscar the Grouch calls Elmo as), especially when he started taking over the show since the 1990s (though Big Bird also had the same problem in the mid to late 1970s). They may even go as far back as when Elmo debuted as a minor character (even way before he became what he is now and before Kevin Clash and Ryan Dillon started voicing him), or even misblame him for Kermit's departure from the show (which is irrelevant as when Disney brought The Muppets in 2004, Kermit cannot be used on Sesame Streer without Disney’s permission) and/or thinking that he replaced Grover (which isn’t really that true as Grover started to be featured more often since 2012 along with Cookie Monster and they both get some of Elmo’s share of appearances since then).
180	** 1983: Many people cried when [[TheCharacterDiedWithHim Mr. Hooper died]], especially when they did an episode about Mr. Hooper's death.
181	** 1990: When Jim Henson died, that was when people said ''Rest in Peace, Sesame Street.'' Despite creating the Muppets, directing some segments, playing characters like Ernie, Kermit, and Guy Smiley, had some involvement with Sesame Street's development, Jim Henson wasn't the creator of Sesame Street; Joan Ganz Cooney and Lloyd Morrissett actually were.
182	** 1992/1998/2002/2007/2009/2016/2022: When the show's opening and closing themes were changed. The original version of the theme was used for 23 years from 1969 to 1992. In 1992, it became a more upbeat, calypso, island like tune. In 1998, the theme song was changed to look very similar to the original. In 2002, the opening becomes more like a rock style with a block intro. From 2007-2008, a hip hop style intro was introduced with the folding buildings, and then was remixed into funky and chalky update to it in 2009-2015. In 2016, only the first verse is sung to make it shorter. Also, 2016 introduced the new "Smarter, Stronger, Kinder" ending theme song playing over the credits. The opening and closings were remixed again in 2022. Of course, all of these, have got several reactions, depending on who grew up with whichever version of the theme song before they changed it to the one afterwards. The animated credits sequence from 1992-2006, and the others following have received some reactions as well.
183	** 1993: The street set has become very bright and clean, with unworn bricks and stones and no traffic heard. New locations such as a playground and a day care were added due to the show getting beaten in ratings by Series/BarneyAndFriends. Other locations added in the show included a subway station and Finders Keepers. As a result of children getting confused with this new setup, these locations were eventually removed after Season 29 in 1998. Zoe is introduced, along with new human characters and Muppets are introduced, such as Ruthie, Tarah, and Celina.
184	** 1998: ''Series/ElmosWorld'' debuted, a segment that is compromised with the last 15-20 minutes of the show. Apparently, Elmo's popularity, along with the Tickle Me Elmo craze two years prior to this segment's debut was due to the show's further competitions from Series/BarneyAndFriends and WesternAnimation/BluesClues.
185	** 2000: Frank Oz quit the Muppets to make movies, though he did occasionally perform his characters until 2004 for Cookie Monster, 2006 for Bert, and 2012 for Grover. Some people probably complained about the Children's Television Workshop now being called Sesame Workshop, and the "123" on top of the street sign.
186	** 2002: The show was retooled and the street scenes become one big segment and the other segments are afterwards, and pre-1990 segments started getting phased out. It becomes more structured with a letter/number of day. The Fix-It Shop also became the Mail-It Shop, there's Big Bird's shape doors, and 123 Sesame Street's doors are red (though they returned to green starting with season 35).
187	** 2005: As a response to healthy habits, they decide to make Cookie Monster "the veggie monster." However, this never actually happened, and Cookie Monster himself also encourages children in the target audience to eat healthy, such as his "Healthy Food" rap from 1988.
188	** 2006: Abby Cadabby debuted, who would eventually become popular towards children and go through the same fate as Elmo. Some people also may feel divisive when the Mail-It Shop also became the Fix-It Shop again, and Big Bird's doors started to look more like the original.
189	** 2007: Murray Monster (originally a background character and unnamed) started to ask what the word on the street is in the cold open.
190	** 2008: The Fix-It Shop leaves Sesame Street and is replaced with a laundromat, and Gina's vet clinic becomes a garage again (and eventually a community center in 2016). Murray also started getting more screen time as well.
191	** 2009: Miles retired from the show, and the show started becoming more like a children's programming block, Abby's Flying Fairy School debuted, and Murray becomes the show's de facto host at this point.
192	** 2012: Several people complained that Elmo's World was replaced by Elmo: The Musical. Kevin Clash was also let go due to a scandal, and Elmo gets a new actor named Ryan Dillon who sounds very identical to Kevin Clash.
193	** 2013: Gabi retired from the show and the episode numbering system is changed to seasonal order rather than chronological. For example, Episode 4401, the first episode of the 44th season, is not the 4,401st episode (it is in fact the 4,328th episode). While a number system that works like that debuted with season 43, the episode numbers were still the chronological numbers too.
194	** 2016: This is the most divisive change, when the show was moving the show to [=HBO=], the length was abridged to 30 minutes, the SigningOffCatchphrase "Sesame Street is brought to you by the letter(s) and by the number(s)" sponsors" was dropped, and all of the human characters except Alan, Chris, Nina (who debuted in 2016), and Charlie (who debuted in 2020) are PutOnABus (though Bob and Luis seemingly [[TheCharacterDiedWithHim died with their actors in 2022]], and Gordon [[TheBusCameBack returned in 2023 on the first episode of Season 54]]). The set changed the most when Big Bird's doors was dropped, Elmo moved to Gordon and Susan's apartment, and Oscar the Grouch's trash area added a recycling bin, but Hooper's looks more like the original again. Murray disappeared from the show.
195	** 2017: Elmo's World is rebooted, but it is much different from the original so it also gets this reaction. Rudy debuted and several people find him as a CreatorsPet like Elmo, Abby, and Cookie Monster.
196	** 2022: HBO Max removed all the pre-2008 Sesame Street episodes except for seasons 1, 5, and 7. This is mostly because most of the pre-1992 Sesame Street segments involved pipe-smoking, children playing in construction sites, even kids dancing on the street, and too much cartoon violence, which Sesame Workshop now believes that children in the target audience may imitate those reckless actions and injure, harm, or hurt themselves and/or others. This is when many people blame David Zaslav for obliterating nostalgic material on this streaming service.
197	** 2023: The format will be changed yet again in Season 56 (2025), as it was announced on October 30, 2023 that the series will be reimagined by completely dropping the half-hour magazine format of the long-running children's show in favor of a longer narrative-driven style and more live action Muppet puppet characters, in which it would be too similar to many other children's shows and home videos that were made at least the 1990s.
198	* ''Series/BarneyAndFriends'' fans had this reaction twice: first when Dean Wendt took over as the voice of Barney (some fans have claimed that Barney seemingly underwent {{Flanderization}} afterwards) and again when [[SixthRanger Riff]] was introduced.
199	* ''Series/TheLordOfTheRingsTheRingsOfPower'': THERE ARE [[PoliticalCorrectnessIsEvil BLACK PEOPLE AND WOMEN]] IN MY MEDIEVAL EUROPEAN FANTASY? AND IT'S NOT [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks 100000000000% ACCURATE TO THE BOOKS]]?!?!!?!?!?!?!?! '''[[BigNo NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO]]'''!!!!!!!!!!

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