Line #11 NeverLiveItDown/MarvelUniverse


1	!!Franchise/MarvelUniverse
2	* [[ComicBook/AntMan Dr. Hank Pym]] suffered a mental breakdown–induced FaceHeelTurn, which included him attacking an enemy (who was about to surrender) from behind and trying to release a murderous robot upon his fellow Avengers so he could look like a hero when he defeated it. When his wife [[ComicBook/TheWasp Janet]] tried to stop him, he struck her, which was actually meant to be an accident according to the writer. The majority of both writers and fans alike ignore the rest of the story, focusing solely on this event, and forgetting both the fact that he was severely unwell as well as the fact that it was supposed to be an accident, leading to him being remembered as a wife beater, even though circumstances show this was clearly not the case. Granted, he could be rather nasty to Janet, but calling him a {{domestic abuse}}r is pushing it. It doesn't help that the fact that Jan took advantage of his mental problems to get married in the first place, a case of QuestionableConsent, is almost ''never'' mentioned. The incident has been handled with varying levels of grace since then. Some authors (like Creator/KurtBusiek and Creator/DanSlott) write him trying to get past the old shame, while others (like Creator/MarkMillar in ''ComicBook/TheUltimates'') write him up as a violent wife-beater. Chuck Austen even wrote him as a misogynist during his ([[FanonDiscontinuity much-maligned]]) Avengers run.
3	** This particular incident is discussed and deconstructed more than once. In particular, in ''ComicBook/SecretEmpire'', when Tony Stark snidely brings it up, Hank [[MetaGuy channels the fandom]] when he goes on a tirade about how ridiculous and unfair it is that he always has this one (admittedly horrible) mistake hung over his head in spite of all of his good deeds, accomplishments and numerous apologies after, all the while Tony himself, as well as Steve Rogers and slews of other heroes have made far worse and more destructive mistakes yet are EasilyForgiven.
4	** This incident is part of the reason why the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse uses the Scott Lang version of the character as well. However, it's mostly from the fact that they [[CastSpeciation considered Hank and Iron Man too similar to each other.]] Hank does appear as Scott's CoolOldGuy mentor, and this version of him was much more well-received by the fanbase.
5	* ComicBook/JeanGrey:
6	** The most infamous case is her tendency to die and come back to life. Her reputation as the queen of ComicBookDeath would lead you to expect that's she's died, what, dozens of times over the decades? In actuality she's died twice (well, [[https://youtu.be/uA1BTHWARHY?si=zf8Mseuxq_wc1zyk depending on what you consider "death"]]). Her most famous death at the end of ''ComicBook/TheDarkPhoenixSaga'', and her second death at the conclusion of Creator/GrantMorrison's ''ComicBook/NewXMen'' run--which was undone in ComicBook/MarvelLegacy ''fourteen'' years later. The ComicBook/MarvelNOW rebranding brought in a ''new'' Jean Grey via TimeTravel, and made it clear that she is not the same person.
7	** In a related example, Jean's entire pop culture identity has been consumed by ''the Dark Phoenix Saga'', to the point that writers and editors have started just plain writing Phoenix stories for her every so often on account of there doesn't seem to be much else some people are interested in. This trope, in fact, used to be called "Jean Grey Escalation". It was changed ''before'' the purge of character-named tropes because tropers kept proving the point: it was used pretty much exclusively to refer to characters who got new powers or died more than once.
8	* ComicBook/{{Rogue}} and ComicBook/{{Gambit}}: Antarctica. Neither character will ''ever'' live that down. Captured in Antarctica, Gambit was put on trial and it was revealed that he was hired by Mister Sinister to get the [[PsychoForHire Marauders]] together and lead them into the Morlock Tunnels without knowing what they were there for. That was the extent of his involvement, but every character (and many writers) treat this as an unforgivable sin. As part of said "trial," Rogue was forced to kiss him, and absorbed his memories of the incident, as well as the [[HeroicBSOD nearly suicidal self-loathing and guilt]] he was feeling over it at the time. Later, during the escape, Rogue drops Gambit onto the arctic tundra and leaves him there to face UncertainDoom. This was the point where their relationship drama leapt from CantHaveSexEver to a mutual [[BelligerentSexualTension Love-Hate Relationship]], and it has never fully recovered.
9	* ComicBook/{{Magneto}}: This one is a combination of CharacterizationMarchesOn and StatusQuoIsGod. Creator/ChrisClaremont reimagined Magneto as a WellIntentionedExtremist who invoked a lot of VillainHasAPoint moments to make him a richer, more tragic character. However, the rest of Marvel wants him to be a CardCarryingVillain only a step above his original characterization. As such, most people will bring up [[ComicBook/FatalAttractionsMarvelComics the time he tore the Adamantium out of]] ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}'s body, the time he infiltrated the mansion and started setting up concentration camps for Muggles (that version of him revealed as an impostor ''immediately'' once the storyline finished), or any number of other instances where he [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope jumped off the slippery slope]]. Since Magneto is supposed to be the "villain" of the ''X-Men'' stories, many writers will do whatever it takes to make audiences root against him, even though that isn't what made him a compelling antagonist in the first place. He's actually been an honest-to-goodness ''team member'' for many years now, and even before that, he hadn't been their BigBad in decades. To hear many fans talk about him, his portrayal in TheSixties is how he is to this day.
10	* Tony Stark, AKA ComicBook/IronMan's alcoholism has generally been worked into his story with both respect and ridicule. Like Hank Pym, Tony has suffered lately for the sins of his Ultimate incarnation (Ultimate Tony Stark is a ''drunk'', plain and simple).
11	** In ''VideoGame/MarvelUltimateAlliance 2'', this is the ''one thing'' that [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Steve Rogers]], [[HeterosexualLifePartners of]] '' all'' ''[[LikeAnOldMarriedCouple people]]'', mocks and throws back in [[GreaterNeedThanMine Tony's face]] in one particularly gut-wrenching scene. This game was based on ''ComicBook/{{Civil War\|2006}},'' and pretty much everyone involved in that (though especially Tony and his allies on the pro-registration side) has had a hard time living it down.
12	** It doesn't help that Tony ''is'' a self-destructive sort of fuck-up, as opposed to Hank Pym, who seems to start with lashing out. Tony, on the whole, manages to keep his severe personal issues internalized until he ''finally'' falls apart, so no one seems to notice (or care) if he's on the verge of suicidal breakdown (his alcoholism was canonically an attempt to drink himself to death) until it starts becoming inconvenient for other people.
13	** This is also the one aspect of the character that is ever seen in parodies like ''ComicStrip/TwistedToyfareTheatre''. Even the TTT version of ''ComicBook/{{Civil War\|2006}}'' started when a newly-sober Iron Man enforced prohibition on Megoville.
14	** The casting of Creator/RobertDowneyJr as Stark in [[Film/IronMan1 the movie]] may be a nod to this as well, as Downey also battled alcoholism. The writers even wanted to explore this in ''Film/IronMan2'', but Downey vetoed it, due to fears that working with this theme could cause him to relapse after all the time he spent kicking the habit.
15	** In his reviews, ''WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall'''s Linkara almost always portrays Iron Man as drunk, even in comics set before ''ComicBook/DemonInABottle''; this stems partly from a scene in ''The Ultimates'' where even a [[RobotMe robot duplicate]] of Tony is asking for liquor, and partly because when he portrayed Tony as sober in one review, the fans ''asked'' him to bring back "[[FanNickname Iron Drunk]]" [[RuleOfFunny because it was hilarious]]. He has noted that he won't use it for comics set after "Demon in a Bottle" as seen in his ''Civil War'' review.
16	** Also, ''WesternAnimation/IronManArmoredAdventures'' is said by the writers to be a HighSchoolAU because they wanted to make a show about the character but obviously he would need to be 'cleaned up.' Apparently, enough people behind its production considered his being a drunkard so integral to his character that InNameOnly was the only route to go if they wanted to keep him under R-rated levels. [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools Not to say it wasn't a quality series.]]
17	* Marvel's ComicBook/{{Captain Marvel\|MarvelComics}} is best known for dying of cancer - something he didn't like finding out when he "came back" (read: arrived in the present day via TimeyWimeyBall). [[spoiler: Though we ultimately find out that he's not the real Captain Mar-Vell and there ''was'' no TimeyWimeyBall.]]
18	* ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'':
19	** ComicBook/GwenStacy is that girl who would have lived had Spidey not been incompetent, or was it the fall that killed her as ComicBook/GreenGoblin called out in the same issue. Either way, Gwen Stacy is a saintly martyr, Peter's one true love who was TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth, and since ''ComicBook/TheNightGwenStacyDied'' is the one story she appears in that is widely reprinted as a standalone, despite the fact that she barely appears in it and isn't even the most significant female character in the story (ComicBook/MaryJaneWatson is), it's all people are likely to know her for. Hell, some fanfic rewrites of the mythos tend to introduce her ''with the explicit intent of killing her off''. It probably doesn't help that every new adaptation changes her personality and character completely, from becoming [[ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan a tough punk-rock bad girl]], to [[WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan a nerd with a temper and occasional snark tendency]], to [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan Mary Jane with Debra Whitman's science smarts]]. The only tying factor between every character is romantic feelings towards Peter (some more than others), and being a DaddysGirl of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure police Captain.[[note]]In actual fact, Gwen Stacy during her time as a regular member of the supporting cast had a number of bizarre personality shifts: started out as a dominating vixen who combined AlphaBitch, the {{Tsundere}}, and the {{Yandere}}, and was ''furious'' that a dork like Peter wasn't interested in her (in fact, it was ''the'' thing that got her to ever pay attention to him. Someone who dared have concerns other than the fact that she was in the room ''bore further investigation.'' It was an EstablishingCharacterMoment -- her selfish "why doesn't he fawn over me like everyone's supposed to" type thoughts juxtaposed with his "super villains, having to let civilian friends down ''again,'' sick aunt, etc." thoughts). After John Romita replaced Steve Ditko as head artist, [[CharacterizationMarchesOn her character was softened considerably]] and she became the Betty in a BettyAndVeronica LoveTriangle. Her death led to her being remembered entirely for her later, sweeter era, as a GirlNextDoor and ProperLady.[[/note]] Newer fans unfortunately remember her for ''Sins' Past'' which revealed that she cheated on Peter with ComicBook/NormanOsborn of all people (which was later {{retcon}}ned to have been an illusion by Mysterio) and that poor MJ has been unfairly burdened with the guilt of not measuring up to her.
20	** John Jameson is most well known being an astronaut, even though he has spent most of his time as Captain America's personal pilot. He's also known for his superpowered alter-ego that sometimes emerges, Man-Wolf. The second part is subverted in ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' - when John gets powers, he becomes Colonel Jupiter, following one of the comics from the pre-Man-Wolf period.
21	** Eugene "Flash" Thompson was a JerkJock for the first few years of the comic. He later joined the army, and had matured considerably by the time he got back. Since then, he's been a JerkWithAHeartOfGold, ''at worst'', and quite often a BoisterousBruiser. Throughout the seventies and eighties, he was one of Peter Parker's best friends (and ''the best man at his wedding'', even!). He even became the new (heroic) ComicBook/{{Venom}} and joined ComicBook/TheAvengers, and yet he's still just remembered as a teenage JerkJock. Mostly because of AdaptationDistillation: most fans are first introduced to Spider-Man in a high school context, usually whatever film or animated adaptation is running at the time, and the same Silver Age stories are re-imagined and updated, including resident JerkJock Flash[[note]]The 2012 ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan'' film played him less JerkJock, especially as he's the first one in the film to console Parker about Uncle Ben's death. Peter doesn't take it well, but eventually forgives him for the bullying. By the end of the film, he's Peter's only male friend (that we see), and the two can at least hold a conversation. He also is established as a Spidey fan, even wearing a Spidey shirt, with his excuse being [[BlatantLies it's to get girls.]][[/note]]. With ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' and ''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan2012'' picking up the slack.
22	** Flash isn't the only one to get this treatment either. Despite the fact that he was only like that when first introduced in ''Amazing Fantasy #15'' and quickly grew out of any sort of characterization that could be called such after getting his powers (in other words THE FIRST ISSUE) Peter Parker will never live down his initial characterization as a stereotypical nerdy genius high schooler. Due to most every adaption of the character which plays up Peter being nerdy and often resetting him back to his high school years, one could not realize Peter is ever anything but that. By the time Peter graduated high school and went to college, he stopped wearing glasses, started filling up and was actually a pretty good looking guy and when Ditko stepped down and John Romita took over [[ProgressivelyPrettier Peter was the total stud]] called "hunk" and was basically the prize for Gwen and MJ to fight over. And even then, Peter never really has any difficulty finding girls and almost always really pretty ones, so the idea that he CannotTalkToWomen isn't true either and a number of Peter's confidants have noted that his life actually is enviable by the standards of real nerds and losers. While we're on the subject of Peter's love life, most seem to think MJ's the only girlfriend Spidey ever had. Almost [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy every]] [[Theatre/SpiderManTurnOffTheDark single]] [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries freaking]] [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheNewAnimatedSeries adaptation]] pretty much ignores any other girl he's ever dated.
23	** Spider-Man himself will ''never'' live down the entire ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' storyline where he [[DealWithTheDevil sold his marriage]] to ComicBook/{{Mephisto}} to save his aunt (who was okay with dying, and, let's face it, doesn't have too many years left anyway) even with the One-Above-All's objection - who is, you know, the Marvel equivalent of an ''omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Judeo-Christian God'', no matter what editorial says. Even with the {{Retcon}} that Mary Jane actually agreed to that deal, many fans still not convinced and perceived that as an AssPull due to the dialogue of what she said to Mephisto is completely different. The ''[[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 Secret Wars]]'' series ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManRenewYourVows'' seems to exist to appeal to people that really didn't like the change.
24	** ''One More Day'' also had this effect on the person most responsible, Creator/JoeQuesada, who was Marvel's Editor-in-Chief at the time. While he'd always been known for some fairly controversial views about how the Franchise/MarvelUniverse should be run, he was in general considered a massive improvement over his predecessor Bob Harras, who had infamously exacerbated Marvel's legendary mismanagement in the '90s. Then he mandated this story be done, and suddenly his name was a byword for an [[ExecutiveMeddling overbearing higher-up with too much creative control]] and goodwill for him dried up (though it is [[MisBlamed not actually true]] that he was the only one pulling for the retcon). He built up a reputation as a man who was in the comics business to [[RunningTheAsylum make everything how it was when he was a kid]] and/or [[WriterOnBoard vent personal issues]].
25	** Quesada and later writers also tried to do this to the BreakoutCharacter of the Spider-Man series: ComicBook/MaryJaneWatson by trying to downplay or shuttle her out of spotlight and/or constantly having characters in page repeatedly talk about why they shouldn't be together. MJ is also characterized by the few defenders of the Post-OMD Status-quo as the flighty girl who strings Peter along and keeps rejecting his marriage proposals. In actual fact she only did it ''once''[[note]]If we want to be technical, she also rejected Peter's second proposal for the understandable reason that it was very sudden but she said Yes two issues later[[/note]] which she did so in a very shallow manner albeit a later scene has her giving a sympathetic reason that she didn't tell Peter (her parents are divorced and she wasn't encouraged by the failed marriage of her friends Betty Brant and Ned Leeds) and then she and Peter broke up perfunctorily (ordered by editor Marv Wolfman to shake up a status-quo) and she was PutOnABus making a few token appearances until returning to the supporting cast where she revealed that she knew Peter was Spider-Man all along, starting a character arc that led to her marriage. In this period, she was Peter's confidant and friend (albeit a friend with whom she still dated and shared kisses with when he needed it), the first person Peter confessed his guilt about letting Uncle Ben die to while Peter was in a dead-end relationship with the ComicBook/BlackCat (who loved Spider-Man but hated Peter).
26	** A number of fans and writers -- especially those who [[DieForOurShip ship Peter with MJ or someone else]] -- love bringing up the time Felicia rejected Spider-Man when he unmasked himself to her and had difficulty accepting that he was just an ordinary guy behind his extraordinary superhero alias. This ignores that Felicia did come to love Peter as a person, not just for his alias later on, even despite the troubles in their relationship. Ironically, Felicia was actually shown being curious about Spider-Man's secret identity early on and was even revealed her identity to him. It isn't helped that the "Brand New Day" era had Peter and Felicia having a FriendsWithBenefits relationship that involved them keeping their masks on during sex.
27	* The ComicBook/ScarletWitch depowering most of the mutant population. There are still readers who will not forgive her for not only the act itself, but also because of how EasilyForgiven some they think she was and especially due to her calling out [[ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} Scott Summers]] for his actions in ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', which were an attempt to fix what she did in the first place.
28	** Also, although her power level in ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'' was completely different from anything she had been able to do in 40 years of comics, and has since been [[AuthorsSavingThrow explained away]] as the result of [[DemonicPossession her absorbing a cosmic magical source that possessed her]], the popularity of ''House of M'' means that many readers think of her as an omnipotent RealityWarper rather than the much less outlandish powers she generally has.
29	** Basically, she's long been a PowerCreepPowerSeep case and sometimes she has something called "Chaos Magic" that can be quite impressive, and sometimes Chaos Magic is only an extension of her inborn WindsOfDestinyChange powers. It's easy to imagine the ultimate expression of a probability-altering power being "increase the probability of ''anything'' you can imagine to [[TheOmnipotent one hundred percent]]." However, this is ''not'' in fact her usual power level, even on a good day.
30	** A number of adaptations also place both her and her brother ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} as part of the Brotherhood of Mutants, despite the fact that they were only ever X-Men villains for a handful of issues. Casual fans who are more familiar with ''WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution'' and ''WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen2009'' are usually shocked to learn that the two have been members of the Avengers for most of their history. This has even led to a bizarre licensing issue where both [[Creator/TwentiethCenturyStudios Fox]] and [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse Marvel Studios]] had film rights to the characters. Quicksilver appears in both ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' and ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' (as an Avenger), which should only serve to make things even more confusing for the general audience. However, he's a good guy in both versions, never joining the Brotherhood in the X-films.
31	** Surprisingly, the one thing everybody ''does'' let her live down is the time she [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale violated Wonder Man]] during her FaceHeelTurn in ''ComicBook/WestCoastAvengers''. Keep in mind this was over a decade before she destroyed the Avengers or depowered most of the mutant population, but no one ever brings it up when discussing Wanda's horrible actions.
32	* The time that ComicBook/DoctorDoom was defeated by ComicBook/SquirrelGirl, when the ultimate scheming badass of the Marvel Universe got owned by someone who was essentially a joke---[[RunningGag GAK!]] '''SILENCE TROPER! [[ActuallyADoombot IT WAS A DOOMBOT. A DOOMBOOOOOOOOOOOT!!]]'''
33	** Speaking of Doctor Doom, one reason the infamous 9/11 VerySpecialEpisode of ''Spider-Man'' is so polarizing among fans is that it depicts him ''crying'' over the event when he's frequently been shown to do at least as bad.
34	* Jake Gallows, ComicBook/ThePunisher of ComicBook/Marvel2099, will never live down the way he turned heel ([[NinetiesAntiHero more than usual for a punisher, that is]]) and became Doom's judge, jury and executioner in the latter half of 2099's run. Most people don't have strong opinions on Gallows, but every time the 2099 universe has been rebooted or reimagined, he's ''never'' been anything other than a complete villain. Both the second and third iterations of Punisher 2099 used a different person for the identity, and in the case of the 2019 series, Gallows was a supporting, antagonistic character who was eventually killed off by that incarnation of the Punisher.
35	* The "Marcus Immortus" storyline for ComicBook/CarolDanvers from ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'' #200 [[note]]If you don't know the story, the short version is that Ms. Marvel was basically allowed to cheerfully run off with her extradimensional kidnapper {{Love Interest\|s}} despite ''mind control'' being involved. The rest of the team really, ''really'' should have been concerned, but the writers of the story where it happened seemed to see it as her leaving with her one true love.[[/note]]. The fan backlash to this ensured that neither Marvel Comics nor the character would ever live it down, and it remains one of the biggest elements of her backstory to this day. ''Avengers Annual #10'' (itself best known today only as "the one where Rogue had her first appearance") allowed Carol to deliver a well-deserved WhatTheHellHero speech to the assembled Avengers for their nonchalant attitudes towards what had happened to her,[[note]] although considering the Avengers were acting out of character too it would have been better if all of them were under mind control. Really that what they SHOULD have done but whatever[[/note]] as well as undoing the whole thing by having Marcus Immortus die within a week of returning to Limbo, after which Carol spent the rest of the year tinkering with his machinery to send herself back to Earth. [[note]]Apparently, the storyline in ''Avengers'' #200 did not sit well with Creator/ChrisClaremont -- he had created Ms. Marvel, and felt that her actions were out of character -- and he took the opportunity to put an AuthorFilibuster to it in the story. [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools Tropes Are Not Bad]], true believers![[/note]]
36	* The ComicBook/{{Juggernaut\|MarvelComics}} suffers from this occasionally in that some think he has made his sole purpose in life to kill his stepbrother [[ComicBook/ProfessorX Charles Xavier]]. Even an extended [[HeelFaceTurn run as a hero]] didn't seem to change that. But, that was written by Chuck Austen, so you can see why some will ignore that.
37	* ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}:
38	** For many, abandoning his wife [[Characters/MarvelComicsMadelynePryor Madelyne Pryor]] and newborn son [[ComicBook/{{Cable}} Nathan]] as soon as he heard that Jean Grey was alive in ''ComicBook/XFactor'' #1 defined his personality forever. Marvel's later attempts at damage control - which included stating he was under Mister Sinister's influence, and [[RetCon retconning]] Madelyne into a manipulative witch - notwithstanding. That Grant Morrison later had him turn away from Jean for telepathic adultery with Emma Frost made matters worse (bear in mind, Jean herself contemplated having an affair herself at the time while he was currently in the middle of an emotional breakdown that Emma took advantage of).
39	* For that matter, ComicBook/EmmaFrost will (understandably) never live down the fact that she initiated an affair with Scott and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it]]. Or the fact that she then cheated on Scott with Namor while part of the Cabal and the Phoenix Five--made worse by the reveal that Scott not knowing only aroused both of them more. To a lesser extent, Emma will also never live down some of her more {{Stripperiffic}} costumes, which have been the butts of jokes among parts of the Internet.
40	** Perhaps the most infamous act that Emma will never live down is when she killed Firestar's pet horse Butter Rum as part of a plan to mold Firestar into her personal weapon. The odd thing is that the memefication of this act has overshadowed the end goal of Emma's plans with Firestar and all the other vile actions Emma committed against her like killing Firestar's bodyguard, Randall Chase. Even the fact that Emma killed Butter Rum in such a way as to make Firestar think it was her own out of control powers that did it is often ignored.
41	* Firelord, the former Herald of ComicBook/{{Galactus}}, casual conqueror and destroyer of worlds, able to fly across the universe faster than the speed of light and ''through stars'', and has spelled serious trouble for the likes of some of the Marvel Universe's most powerful creatures such as [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]], [[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules Hercules]], Ego the Living Planet, and the original Phoenix. However, the most famous story by far that he was ever involved in, was when he got his own ass handed to him by ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' without him so much as being able to land a single hit on the wall-crawler. To reiterate, star-level cosmic entity gets utterly thrashed by a human in spandex. That is something that will never be forgotten.
42	* Similarly, Umar will (again, understandably) never live down the fact she once raped [[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk the Hulk]]. It doesn't help that this instance was played for laughs when Hulk had been the victim of both an attempted ''and'' a successful rape before, and they were rightfully shown to be the horrible, traumatizing events they were.
43	* [[ComicBook/InvisibleWoman Susan Storm-Richards]] of the ComicBook/FantasticFour's long-running romantic interest in Namor the ComicBook/SubMariner throughout her 40+ year marriage to [[ComicBook/MisterFantastic Reed Richards]] gets thrown around a lot from fans. The reason is probably the fact that a lot of fans think she had an out-and-out affair with Namor (not true), but ''also'' think that the attraction between them is all in the past (also not true). The Fantastic Four are [[DysfunctionalFamily just fucked up that way.]]
44	* George Tuska will always be remembered for giving the ComicBook/IronMan armor a nose.
45	* ComicBook/{{Mephisto}}, closest thing the Franchise/MarvelUniverse has to {{Satan}}, enemy of ComicBook/GhostRider, ComicBook/SilverSurfer and ComicBook/DoctorStrange among others, will probably never live down the fact he [[ComicBook/OneMoreDay destroyed Spider-Man's marriage]].
46	* [[ComicBook/Agent13 Sharon Carter]], who had a long and storied history as a major figure in Captain America's mythos as well as becoming director of SHIELD for a time, is mostly remembered for being the woman who killed ComicBook/CaptainAmerica. She was brainwashed, and later led the charge to bring him back to life, neither fact is as well remembered.
47	* Writer Kaare Andrews will probably never live down writing the revelation in ''ComicBook/SpiderManReign'' that [[OutWithABang Peter poisoned Mary Jane with his radioactive sperm]].
48	* In a surprising display of self-awareness, writer Denis Hopeless seemed to realize that Arcade will never live down his role in ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'', so in [[ComicBook/AvengersUndercover his next book]], he had the character admit that now either he can go back to being a complete joke, only constantly reminding people how he once did something really evil, like the above mentioned Doctor Light, or [[PickOnSomeoneYourOwnSize let killing kids become the only thing he does]]. Right after that Arcade is killed.
49	* Karen Page will be forever remembered as the girl who sold out Matt Murdock for a drug fix that kick start the famous ''ComicBook/BornAgain'' storyline. This got so bad that she instantly got some hate in the [[Series/Daredevil2015 Netflix TV series]] for this storyline, even though elements of ''Born Again'' wouldn't be integrated into the show until season 3. Creator/DeborahAnnWoll even had to make a statement that she'd been promised the MCU's Karen would ''never'' do it, and in fact, the BroadStrokes of the story involving her drug use and criminal actions have been moved into her ''past''.
50	* Creator/HowardChaykin regards his ''[[ComicBook/StarWarsMarvel1977 Star Wars]]'' comics as a combination of this and OldShame.
51	--> '''Chaykin:''' I'm on record everywhere regarding this – I'd like to think that had I known it was going to be that big a deal, I would have done a better job. That work will haunt me to my grave, diminishing the value of the actually good and true work I've produced in the past forty odd years. I figure my ''NYT'' obit will read "HOWARD CHAYKIN DIES; FUCKED UP ''STAR WARS'' COMICS – AND REALLY NOW, WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE HE DID, RIGHT?"
52	* While still a new series, detractors of ''ComicBook/AllNewWolverine'' have already jumped on the book for being nothing but ComicBook/{{X 23}} eating noodles and taking selfies. Even though both were one-off gags (and Laura herself didn't even eat the noodles ''or'' take the selfie).
53	* ComicBook/UltimateMarvel ComicBook/CaptainAmerica is a lot less of a paragon and a lot more of a typical soldier than the regular version. When he woke up in SHIELD custody, he didn't believe that Nick Fury (who is black in that universe) could be a Colonel, assumes the whole thing is a German setup, and tries to escape using force. This is commonly cited as an example of his racism. While Cap is a product of his time in many ways, he wasn't being racist. He had just been told he was out for almost 60 years, wasn't thinking straight, and couldn't get his brain around the idea that ''America'' wasn't racist. He specifically says the highest ranking black man he knows is only a Captain. The last straw was the ''length of time'', not Fury being black.
54	** In the first ''Ultimates'' series, Ultimate Steve is told to surrender by the alien villain. Steve flips his shit and screams "YOU THINK THIS 'A' ON MY HEAD STANDS FOR [[CheeseEatingSurrenderMonkeys FRANCE!?]]". Everyone in and out of universe thought that was a goofy and out of character thing for Cap to say (he fought alongisde the French in WWII, so it makes no sense for him to even hold this view), and even he shows some shock and embarrassment from it in later stories.
55	* ''ComicBook/TheUnbelievableGwenpool'': Gwenpool is regularly depicted as a shallow, selfie-obsessed millennial, to the point where even official media (toys, video games, and comics outside of her own) makes this the focal point of her character. In truth, she's not selfie-obsessed at all, and she's slightly more tactful in her approach to other heroes. In fact, her only use of a selfie comes up early in her series, and it's to show a client that she successfully performed a hit.
56	* ''ComicBook/AmericaChavez'' only said "holy menstruation" '''once'''. The many detractors, heck even fans, for [[ComicBook/America2017 her solo book]] have latched onto it, turning it into her catchphrase, if not just using the phrase as a shorthand for America herself. In fact, the solo book itself is a [=NLID=] moment for her, to the point where many were skeptical of her presence in the [[ComicBook/WestCoastAvengers2018 West Coast Avengers relaunch]][[note]]although, as it turns out, [=WCA=] ignores and even contradicts America's solo book[[/note]].
57	* Poor Thanos. This guy killed half the universe, most of the Marvel heroes and even got an [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse eleven year long string of movies where he was the arc villian.]] Beating out several other of Marvels popular villains no less. However, despite his popularity (or maybe because of it), nobody will let Thanos forget three things:
58	** The Thanoscopter. In an otherwise rather obscure 1979 comic Thanos decided to zip around in a cute little helicopter with Thanos written on the tail. Deadpool and the Internet seem to love it. Oh yes, and the ''same'' issue revolves around Spider-Man and [[ComicBook/{{Hellcat}} Patsy Walker]] of all people getting him arrested. Yes really, he's led away in handcuffs and everything. It's hilarious.
59	** And then his love triangle with Deadpool and Death. Deadpool is by no means an unpopular character (far from it), but he's also a comedy hero with no fourth wall who usually gets left out of "serious" Marvel discussions. But you can't really mention Thanos's backstory without including the bit where Deadpool hooked up with the woman he's so obsessed over, and basically became Thanos's arch nemesis. And Deadpool basically won here. If/When Thanos kills Deadpool, the later starts another fling with Death. If Thanos makes Deadpool immortal… well he has to deal with an immortal Deadpool.
60	** Being defeated by Squirrel Girl. This is something he (and various writers) have ''tried'' to undo, stating that S.G. [[ActuallyADoombot defeated a "simulacrum" convincing enough to fool The Watcher]], but that simply results in the ''next'' writer letting Thanos get defeated again and stating that it was most definitely, certainly, indisputably the real Thanos this time and totally impossible to be simulacrum. [[ArmedWithCanon Rinse and repeat ad nauseam.]]
61	* Among ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' fans, Klara is remembered mainly for her horrified reaction to Karolina and Xavin kissing, with implications that her horror is born out of homophobia and/or racism. Never mind that Klara hails from a time when interracial relationships were just not done, nor that she had just witnessed Xavin changing shape, nor that she would later apologize for her behavior and that she would end up becoming close with Karolina for the duration of her time with the team. The fandom acts like she spent her entire tenure with the Runaways hating her teammates. It's become especially frustrating for her fans in light of ''ComicBook/RunawaysRainbowRowell'', where Nico feels the need to bring it up ''again'' to shame Klara for quitting the team in order to be adopted by a gay couple.
62	* [[Characters/MarvelComicsKittyPryde Kitty Pryde]] breaking NWordPrivileges by dropping the hard-R in an equivalence to "mutie" is infamous to this day, and is regularly brought up among the more awkward and uncomfortable attempts to use the X-Men as an allegory for racism. It doesn't help that she did it on ''three separate occasions.''
63	* Sally Floyd was actually a fairly interesting and competent character when she first debuted in ''Generation M'', helping the ComicBook/XMen catch a serial killer in the wake of M-Day. Then ''ComicBook/CivilWar2006'' saw her interview Captain America and employ several LogicalFallacies while doing so, made worse by the fact the reader was meant to agree with her. Nowadays, she's only remembered by fans as the reporter who claimed Website/MySpace is more important than personal freedoms.

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