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| 12 | Japan has made plenty of influential shows and made some extremely memorable moments for as long as anime and manga have existed. But make no mistake, it doesn't spare them from the burning anger and derision that comes from making decisions such as [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck these]]. |
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| 25 | [[index]] |
| 26 | Series that have so many that they have to have their own Articles: |
| 27 | * ''DethroningMoment/AttackOnTitan'' |
| 28 | * ''DethroningMoment/{{Bleach}}'' |
| 29 | * ''DethroningMoment/CodeGeass'' |
| 30 | * ''DethroningMoment/{{Digimon}}'' |
| 31 | * ''DethroningMoment/DragonBall'' |
| 32 | * ''DethroningMoment/FairyTail'' |
| 33 | * ''DethroningMoment/FullmetalAlchemist'' |
| 34 | * ''DethroningMoment/{{Gundam}}'' |
| 35 | * ''DethroningMoment/MyHeroAcademia'' |
| 36 | * ''DethroningMoment/{{Naruto}}'' |
| 37 | * ''DethroningMoment/OnePiece'' |
| 38 | * ''[[DethroningMoment/PokemonTheSeries Pokémon]]'' |
| 39 | * ''DethroningMoment/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' |
| 40 | * ''DethroningMoment/YuGiOh'' |
| 41 | * [[DethroningMoment/AnimeAndMangaOthers Others]] |
| 42 | [[/index]] |
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| 45 | [[foldercontrol]] |
| 46 | |
| 47 | [[folder:Akame ga Kill!]] |
| 48 | * ''Manga/AkameGaKill'': |
| 49 | ** Tropers/IMAGINEZapper: Changing my DMOS for ''Akame ga Kill!'' from [[spoiler: Leone's death in the anime]]. I still think its terrible, but after thinking long and hard about it I personally find that the way [[spoiler: Syura]] was defeated in the manga to be much worse. I've long abandoned the ''Akame ga Kill'' fandom but in spite of that I can still get some enjoyment out of the first half of the manga when it was focused on Night Raid vs. the Jaegers. Like many, I felt that the Wild Hunt arc was the beginning of the manga's decline since it threw away many of the potentially interesting plots from the first half but it was when [[spoiler: Lubbock anti-climatically killed Syura]] that I felt the manga had really gone off the deep end. While Syura is an utterly repulsive character, I felt he had the potential to be a strong main antagonist. Unlike the other members of Wild Hunt he is introduced in the middle of the first half and seeing as how he was the leader of Wild Hunt it was pretty clear that Takahiro was setting him up to be a major villain or even the true final boss. The fact that he was an enemy to both Night Raid and the Jaegers gave him an edge over the other antagonists which I thought would have made for a cool EnemyMine team up fight. Obviously, none of this happened and instead [[spoiler: he is killed off by Lubbock without a fight in the middle of the Wild Hunt arc nonetheless and long before the manga has yet to reach its climax.]] Even Ogre and Zank, who were mere [[VillainOfTheWeek Villains of the Week]] that existed just to demonstrate how fights work in ''Akame ga Kill'' ended up putting up more of a fight than Syura. Making things worse is that Syura ends up being a very bad case of TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter as his motivations are never explored and all he amounts to being is yet another cartoonishly evil arc villain. [[spoiler: His death also has very little payoff as well, it doesn't move the Wild Hunt arc forward and even leads to Lubbock's death wasting away a character that looked like he was moving towards an interesting character arc.]] Lastly, in spite of being a major character we never get to see his Teigu used in combat nor do we learn what its Hidden Ability is. Let it sink in that the mediocre anime adaptation actually gave him a better fight than the manga and the only reason his fight was included in the anime is because his first appearance was adapted and White Fox didn't want to forget about him. |
| 50 | ** Tropers/{{PokeNirvash}}: If there's any reason to reasonably dislike [[spoiler: Leone's death]], it's that [[spoiler: the Minister shot her with a flintlock pistol that fired more than one shot at a time]]. Critical Research Failure, anyone? |
| 51 | ** Tropers/{{Falconwing}}: The one from the Manga that pissed me off the most was [[spoiler: Kurome surviving her final battle with Akame]]. Do I even need to list the reasons? Wave [[spoiler: doing the impossible by gaining use of two Teigu at once]], effectively making him a god-mode powerhouse (In comparison to the actual main character Tatsumi whose [[spoiler: Incursio is literally subjecting him to a fate worse than death every time he uses it]]), the [[spoiler: destruction of Yatsufasa]] for no good reason...and basically everyone forgiving Kurome for killing and desecrating Chelsea's body. Or [[spoiler: turning her own comrade Run into one of her puppets,]] making her a total KarmaHoudini in a verse where virtually every other female villain (except Shizuka so far) was killed off for their crimes. I mean if we are supposed to sympathize with and forgive Kurome, then why weren't we supposed to do the same for Aria, Seryu, Cosmina or Dorethea? There should have never come a day where I would prefer the anime to the manga, but here we are! |
| 52 | ** Skunkbrains: When one of the main charecters died because they refused treatment... When they had a Teigu on their side explicity stated to be able to heal all wounds |
| 53 | [[/folder]] |
| 54 | |
| 55 | [[folder:Baka and Test: Summon the Beasts]] |
| 56 | ''Literature/BakaAndTestSummonTheBeasts'' |
| 57 | * Tropers/AnimeKing1108: In the first episode "Idiots, Classes, and a Summoning War", during the placement exam, Himeji has a medical emergency in the middle of class. Despite this, the teachers still failed her. I know Japan has high education standards, but that's just absurd. They wouldn't let her retake the test for something she had to go to the hospital for? AdultsAreUseless would be a compliment to these incompetent hacks. How did these people become educators? |
| 58 | * Tropers/{{Heroshii15}}: Then, in the first series finale, she's given the chance to take her test again and she erases her name so that she'll fail and end up back in the F-class with her friends. Getting a zero for forgetting your name seems like a DisproportionateRetribution to me, and that this was a very blatant example of StatusQuoIsGod (A huge PetPeeveTrope of mine). |
| 59 | * "Me, Peeking, and Training Camp!": |
| 60 | ** Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: My moment comes from midway into the second season of Baka and Test, as everybody goes to Study Camp. Akihisa and Yuuji are being blackmailed by a girl with a burn mark on her butt, and they need to find out who it is. What follows is, for lack of a better phrase, sheer stupidity. First, nearly every girl, including Mizuki, Minami, and Shouko accuse Akihisa, Yuuji, and Kouta, minus Hideyoshi, of installing mini cams in the girls changing room (which admittedly Kouta did at school, but only to read a message Shouko was sending to the blackmailer, and kept the rest of the image blurry) and proceed to [[PervertRevengeMode brutally punish them for their transgressions]]. After that, the boys decide to grab an IdiotBall and rush the girls' changing room to get at the mini cam hidden there, only to be foiled by the teachers and get punished further. This plan repeats itself for the next two episodes, and escalates to the point of the four gathering an army of like-minded idiots, which leads to fighting not only the teachers, but an army of girls, as well. Good god, the monotony. Sure, it finally ends with Akihisa beating Iron Man, and revealing [[spoiler:Miharu as the culprit]], but it also ends with all of the second year boys being suspended for peeking on the [[FanDisservice principle]], thus rendering their efforts pointless. This entire arc was nothing but an excuse to make the girls even more unlikable than they already were at the beginning of the season, and the guys into brainless morons. This could have been solved quicker had they just asked Aiko, who was implied to know what was going, if she knew who the culprit was, or at least get help from her, or Mizuki and Minami, since the three of them would've had better luck finding the culprit than any of the boys, or even Shouko, as she had been in contact with the culprit and could have been persuaded to at least give a clue as to who said culprit is. Or better yet, get a teacher to help them. But, nope. The boys choose to be literal idiots. While it did have some good moments, the Study Camp Arc was a god awful mess and painful to sit through, leaving you wondering when it will end. Not to mention, it leads to a conflict with Minami and [[spoiler:Miharu]], which adds a lot of unnecessary drama for a comedy anime. |
| 61 | ** Tropers/{{chucknormie}}: I would agree, and while I think the show itself is decent to absolutely hilarious, this moment nearly made me RageQuit the series as a whole. What truly makes this a DMOS is the context. Remember that in the first season Class B's Kyoji Nemoto blackmailed Mizuki...just to take her out of the match between them so his class can win. Given that this tactic is ''entirely legal'' and the class wars are SeriousBusiness, I would say it's a pretty justified case of a class rep trying to do his job. Apparently the author doesn't think so, though, as the protagonists treat it as [[FelonyMisdemeanor seemingly the worst thing it was possible for him to ever do]] ([[SarcasmMode doing whatever you can to win so you and your friends won't be forced to study in the shittiest class in the school and be its laughingstock? What a jerk, right?!]]), but in every subsequent appearance he makes, [[HumiliationConga something bad happens to him]], and it's implied we the audience are supposed to laugh because [[DisproportionateRetribution he deserved it or something like that]]. Now, compare to what happens when [[spoiler:Miharu is found out as the culprit]]. Does she get ''any'' punishment? [[spoiler:[[KarmaHoudini Nope]]]]! In fact, she even [[spoiler:gives Akihisa a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech, then basically disappears before showing up in the next arc with apparently no one caring about what she did anymore]]. Just the sheer audacity of her acting like what she did [[InsaneTrollLogic was somehow Akihisa's fault]] was nearly enough to make me throw my $250 computer monitor straight out the window. Don't get me wrong, the series is still hilarious, but it has one of the worst {{Double Standard}}s I've ever seen in media itself. Seriously, when anything your [[DesignatedVillain so-called "villains"]] (the delinquent couple, Nemoto, the Tokonatsu duo...) do is seen as the worst thing in human history, but an absolute psycho like Shouko and a walking ConflictBall like Miharu are just laughed off as "oh, that's who she is"...seriously, [[PunctuatedForEmphasis Fuck. This. Anime.]] |
| 62 | [[/folder]] |
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| 64 | [[folder:Case Closed]] |
| 65 | ''Manga/CaseClosed'' |
| 66 | * "The Osaka Double Mystery - Naniwa Swordsman and Toyotomi's Castle": |
| 67 | ** Tropers/{{Animeking1108}}: , had the infamous scene where [[AbusiveParents Heizo]] [[KickTheDog struck Heiji]] for "getting in the way." First, everyone objects to it ([[EvenEvilHasStandards even Kogoro, who has no problems striking children]]), [[KarmaHoudini but then everyone just calls it "Tough Love."]] Umm, no. Tough love is [[DopeSlap smacking your children for doing something stupid]]. What Heizo did was full-blown child abuse. The chief of police more than anybody should know that striking your children until they bleed is abuse. |
| 68 | ** Tropers/{{Nikita123}}: Agreed. This is not ValuesDissonance. Even though Heizo stated that he did it to "motivate" Heiji into luring out the bad guys or whatever, it doesn't change the fact that what he did was outright abuse. I'm surprised that [[KarmaHoudini he got away with it]] despite everyone being around when it happened. |
| 69 | * Tropers/{{Retloclive}}: It's been very tempting for me to drop this series after TheReveal that Bourbon [[spoiler:is yet another good guy that has infiltrated the Black Organization]]. It just screams of StrictlyFormula of the author, Gosho, being a one-trick-phony after the previous arcs revealed the exact same result that [[spoiler:Kir and Rye were spies that also infiltrated the Black Organization. However, I was a bit more forgiving to these because Rye had already been ousted from the organization in a {{Flashback}}, and Kir's StoryArc was technically the first in the present time to do the spy reveal]]. But I swear, by the time the series finally ends, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if the mysterious Black Organization BigBad turns out to be a good guy as well. |
| 70 | * Tropers/{{RobHas}}: I legitimately dropped this series after finding out that Renya Karasuma who was thought to be dead long ago (as in Volume 30 manga), was [[spoiler:retconned into "there is no material evidence of his death" and somehow is revealed to be 'The Big Boss' of The Black Syndicate]]. Mind you, Renya Karasuma was just mentioned in Volume 30 as deceased (his belongings were auctioned 40 years before the main story began, for sakes!) and was not mentioned again for more than 50 volumes, then suddenly he is [[spoiler:'The Big Boss']]? One of the biggest AssPull I've ever seen, something that cannot be tolerated in detective series. |
| 71 | * Tropers/{{FoxABeeNeeOwnYes}}: The Heiji/Kazuha romance arc has long since gotten old due to their repeated attempts to confess, only for unnecessary factors - i.e. Kazuha being shy, bad luck or interruption getting in the way, Momiji becoming a love rival to Kazuha, and Heiji saying or doing something stupid - resulting in the attempts failing. Chapter 1118 is really where the RunningGag isn't even funny anymore as Heiji '''completely forgets to confess to Kazuha''' despite Ran setting up the perfect romantic environment for them to get the chance and making sure that bad luck, interruptions, or Momiji doesn't get in the way. I seriously question why is it that Gosho continues to drag this out despite the fact that it's nearly been '''30 years''' since he started ''Detective Conan''. |
| 72 | [[/folder]] |
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| 74 | [[folder:Danganronpa]] |
| 75 | ''Anime/DanganronpaTheAnimation'': |
| 76 | * Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: I mildly enjoyed the first ''Danganronpa'' anime, but I acknowledge the biggest issue with the series. The pacing. Things go by too quickly to get a handle on the plot or get attached to the characters, unless you've played the first game and already know how events played out. And that's exactly why you'd know that the class trials were butchered. A lot of information from game in general, not just the trials, were cut out to fill the run time of each episode. Now, that probably wouldn't be so bad, if the characters were given enough time to flesh out before a murder and trial occurred, but that didn't happen much due to the pacing. The second trial particularly sticks out because of it. Mondo Owada, Kiyotaka Ishimaru, and Chihiro Fujisaki were the main focus of chapter 02 in the game. Mondo and Taka's friendship, Chihiro's wish to get stronger, and the secrets both Chihiro and Mondo were hiding are also the driving points of chapter. However, only Mondo and Taka get any focus, and Mondo barely interacts with Chihiro at all, outside of one scene were he tries to comfort Chihiro after Byakuya and Monokuma's KickTheDog moments. And then Chihiro's death just happens. At the end of the class trail, we learn that Mondo killed Chihiro in a fit of [[FreakOut uncontrolled rage]], and tries in a vain attempt to atone for it by switching the crime scene to hide Chihiro's secret (that 'she' was really a 'he'). Once he's found out, he reveals just [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone how awful]] he feels about killing him for having the courage to face his weakness, which the former didn't. The scene is powerful for its raw emotion, yes, but how can we feel it when the victim and the murderer never got a chance to spend time together? Made worse is the fact that Chihiro had little screen time to begin with, and his only big moment was at the beginning of Episode 04, where he tries to stand up to Byakuya only to fail and end up in tears. Not to mention, a brief scene of him creating Alter Ego. And then he fades into the background until his death, with his short lived CharacterDevelopment toned down and only brought up at the end of the trial. For an adaptation one of the most famous trials in the series, this one is just sad for the wrong reasons: Poor pacing, and almost less than adequate treatment of the characters. |
| 77 | * ''Anime/Danganronpa3TheEndOfHopesPeakHighSchool'': |
| 78 | ** Tropers/NonoRobot: ''Dangan Ronpa 3'' ended up being an immense disappointment, mainly because it directly contradicts ''VisualNovel/Danganronpa2GoodbyeDespair'': in ''[=DR2=]'', it is [[https://i.imgur.com/07r5cn0.jpg explicitly said]] that [[spoiler:the students fell one by one into despair because of Junko's manipulations, who exploited their weaknesses.]] In the anime proper? [[spoiler:Blunt force brainwashing thanks to a video]]. Such a cheap plot device leaves a bad aftertaste, and this {{retcon}} taints the game's characters, making them just [[spoiler:tragic victims of brainwashing instead of true Remnants of Despair who followed Junko out of their twisted vision of love for her. The different kind of corruption weakens the characters and the story overall, and also weakens the main antagonist, who in Danganronpa 1 and 2 was a master of [[BreakThemByTalking Breaking Lectures]].]]. |
| 79 | ** Tropers/Rhythm19: While I overall enjoyed ''Dangan Ronpa 3'' I take serious issue with the fact that in the end [[spoiler: Makoto]] is ultimately pointless to [[GrandFinale Side:Hope]]. [[spoiler: since Hajizuru and the rest of class 77-B are the ones who talk down [[WellIntentionedExtremist Mitarai]] from [[BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood brainwashing]] the entire world and forgive himself, Makoto Naegi, the original game's protagonist, doesn't do anything to help resolve the conflict. As such, it didn't matter whether he ended up surviving the killing game in Side:Future. Everyone except Mitarai could have ended up dead, and nothing would have changed. What's worse is that since this is the GrandFinale to the Hope's Peak Saga, Makoto probably won't have any other appearances after this. And on top of not doing anything to affect the plot of Side:Hope, he was basically TheLoad for Side:Future because of his NG code. He was entirely pointless, and practically nothing would have changed if he did end up killing himself after seeing the [[DrivenToSuicide Suicide Video]], and that's pretty disappointing for one of the guys on the logo for Side:Hope]] |
| 80 | ** Tropers/FoominBlue: What bothers me the most about ''[=DR3=]'' is how the character of [[spoiler:Mitarai Ryouta]] is handled. In some ways, he's well-written, as the anime shows him to be a very self-absorbed young man who only cares about his talent, dismissive and unappreciative of what others like [[spoiler:the Imposter and Mikan]] did to support him, whose tunnel vision plays right into the mastermind's hands. Even his supposed attempt at '[[TheAtoner atonement]]' comes off as less [[WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned]] and more a desperate effort to avoid the consequences of his actions through [[spoiler:mass brainwashing -- after all, nobody can punish him for the part he played in Junko brainwashing the masses into Despair if they're all brainwashed into thinking and feeling what he WANTS them to feel]]! He spends practically the whole series insisting that [[NeverMyFault nothing's his fault]], and even when he '''does''' finally start admitting to the role he played, he's focused on how he was ''personally'' victimized. He even cites the way others were [[spoiler:brainwashed into Despair]] as an '''excuse''' for his own [[spoiler:brainwashing scheme]], '''DARING''' to claim that [[spoiler:their being brainwashed into Despair somehow proves that most people are too WEAK to stand up against Despair, and thusly 'need' to be {{Mind Rape}}d into feeling nothing but Hope]]. And instead of deconstructing and calling him out on this flawed logic, he ends up [[spoiler:pulling a KarmaHoudini and getting to escape any consequences of his actions]]. He's even forgiven by [[spoiler:his classmates from 77-B]] for the role he played in [[spoiler:their getting brainwashed into Despair -- something we're repeatedly told led to them ''killing their own families'' and becoming hated criminals]]. The worst he 'suffers' is [[spoiler:going into self-imposed exile with Hinata and Class 77-B]], meaning he effectively gets to keep running away from the consequences. [=DR3=] created this potentially compelling {{Foil}} only to try and {{Retcon}} and shoehorn him into being the Key Character not just of this anime, but effectively ''the entire Hope's Peak Arc'' because his [[spoiler:stupid brainwashing anime]] is just THAT Important, and treats him like some [[TheWoobie poor Woobie]] and [[TragicVillain tragically misguided]] WellIntentionedExtremist who [[TheAtoner just wants to atone]] for sins that he's HIGHLY reluctant to admit [[NeverMyFault were actually his fault]], ''and'' on top of all that? [[spoiler:He's one of only ''two'' new characters who actually get to survive the whole anime!]] |
| 81 | * ''Anime/Danganronpa3TheEndOfHopesPeakHighSchool''" |
| 82 | ** TheLuckyCat: The anime is poorly written in general, but there's one consistent thing in the story that is absolutely infuriating - Chiaki [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] Nanami. In ''VisualNovel/Danganronpa2GoodbyeDespair'', Chiaki was an important supporting character, but she isn't treated like the main character or the main focus on the game and other characters get their time to shine in-story, Teruteru and the Imposter in Chapter One, Mahiru, Hiyoko, Fuyuhiko and Peko in Chapter Two, etc. The anime, however, not only makes Chiaki an actual person, but also turns Chiaki into the sun in which the Dangan Ronpa universe revolves and it's absolutely infuriating. [[CharacterShilling Everything Chiaki does is treated like it's inherently amazing and much better than anything else anyone does.]] Chisa makes Chiaki homeroom representative because everyone just loves her that much, and after that all the rest of the cast (aside from Nagito, the Imposter and Mikan) have [[OutOfFocus nothing to do in the story but endlessly fawn over and coddle Chiaki.]] Even the Twilight Syndrome is utterly [[RetCon retconned]] so Mahiru, Ibuki, Mikan and Hiyoko were barely involved, even though that was literally the entire reason Chapter Two of the game happened! Even more examples, you have Kazuichi building a giant TV so the class can play videogames on it, [[ButtMonkey but he gets no credit for it.]] The class frequently kick Teruteru's ass when he's being a pervert, but it's treated like slapstick and not some crowning moment of badass like it does when Chiaki does it. Fuyuhiko refuses to cooperate with everyone until he sees how hard ''Chiaki'' (yes, just her, not everyone else who was helping her) is working, so that's what motivates him to get involved. Gundham and Nekomaru pull a YouShallNotPass in order to buy the other students more time to rescue Mikan and Chisa, but it's glossed over, while Chiaki's few interactions with Hajime are literally his entire motive to have the operation that turns him into Izuru - Hinata's final thoughts are entirely centered around Chiaki. But the kicker? [[spoiler: Chiaki's death, combined with Ryota's nonsense hypnotism, is what drives the class to Ultimate Despair. Chiaki's death is this ridiculous, {{Narm}}y, prolonged torture session where you're meant to cry over the endless suffering the most wonderful person in the world is going through, despite dashing in to save Chisa alone is exactly what got her into that mess in the first place. Well, I didn't feel sorry for her. I didn't care she was suffering. The anime made me go from being indifferent to Chiaki to absolutely ''despising'' her. I just wanted her to hurry up and die, especially since even with her drawn out, melodramatic execution, it was still nothing compared to, say, Leon or Mondo's. And to top it all off, Izuru recognized her. That's right, the unfeeling amalgamation of every talent possible crammed into a human body somehow recognizes Chiaki despite not even remembering ''himself'' before the operation, and he cries while dramatically holding her hairclip. The only thing that could have made it worse is if she was somehow brought back to life at the end of the anime (like Kyoko was), but thankfully she stayed dead. If there was any ''Dangan Ronpa'' character who could be called Ultimate Canon Sue, it'd be Chiaki.]] |
| 83 | ** Tropers/{{synczomb}}: For the most part, I enjoyed ''Anime/Danganronpa3TheEndOfHopesPeakHighSchool''. However, one thing that came close to ruining it for me was [[spoiler: the survivors of the 78th Class having very noticeable PlotArmor. The most infamous example of this, as mentioned above, was Kyoko's DisneyDeath; however, I personally found Hina's fakeout death to be much more egregious. I can understand wanting to keep Kyoko around, because she was both popular among fans and important to the overall Hope's Peak storyline, but Hina? She did practically nothing throughout the whole arc. There was no reason at all to keep her alive, and her death could have added to the tension of the final killing game, to show that not even the survivors were guaranteed to last through the series.]] |
| 84 | ** Tropers/{{Aizen10}}: Honestly the fact that the whole cast of ''[=SDR2=]'' is revealed to be alive is absolute bullshit. The ending of ''[=SDR2=]'' left it very open-ended as to the faith of the people killed inside the simulation. However them being perfectly normal and fine (weren't they supposed to have messed up their bodies trying to implant parts of Junko into them?) makes the death of Class 78 all the more shitty, as they are still dead while these people are alive. |
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| 86 | [[/folder]] |
| 87 | |
| 88 | [[folder:Death Note]] |
| 89 | If you could kill moments with the ''Manga/DeathNote'', [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck these]] would likely be the first names that come to mind. |
| 90 | * Tropers/{{Nani}}: [[spoiler:L's death]] was this for me. Sure, it was a turning point for the series and brought it into a whole new arc (along with a time skip), but not only did it cause about half of the fan base to stop watching and reading the series, but they tried to correct it (at least, this is how I see it) by [[spoiler:bringing in Mello, Matt, and L's copy Near.]] So, they technically [[spoiler:never got rid of L, which made his death totally pointless.]] |
| 91 | * Tropers/DrZulu2010: I actually continued the [[spoiler:part with Mello and Near just to see Light losing.]] The reason why? It made up for one part of the story I cannot watch or read at all without feelings of anger. Which is when Light killed [[spoiler:Naomi Misora]] for three reasons. 1. It was the part where Light jumped the MoralEventHorizon and lost all redeeming qualities. 2. Because it's the first and, maybe, only time he killed a good character who was at the wrong time at the wrong place and 3. The way it happened was so out of character that a real person would have never fallen for it. They took a character I wanted to see in future chapters and [[spoiler:made her kill herself.]] |
| 92 | * Tropers/Savini24: I totally agree. I couldn't stand Light after he killed [[spoiler:Misora]]. The only way he could have known [[spoiler: she had given him a fake name was if the Death Note failed. There was absolutely no reason for her to divulge her real name until she met with the actual task force, not one guy who claims to be working for the task force! After she tells him her name, he suddenly decides to reveal that he is Kira, with a confident smirk. Absolutely no reason to do this. If she had given him a second pseudonym, he'd have been screwed. It's just a cheap way to dramatize his victory. In the process, an intelligent and sympathetic character is reduced to a [[IdiotBall desperate and emotional wreck]] to try and show how "smart" Light is.]] Even though later parts of the manga are [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap better at showcasing Light's intelligence]], I never stopped rooting against him. Though a lot of people dislike [[TheScrappy Near and Mello]], [[spoiler:anyone who could manage to kill the bastard [[AvertedTrope is aces in my book]].]] |
| 93 | * Tropers/{{Catmuto}}: I found the whole manga lost a lot of its edge after [[spoiler: L dies and]] [[TimeSkip the story jumps ahead six years]]. But what really infuriated me, was the final few chapters that all work to bring [[spoiler: Light down as Kira, once and for all]]. It could very well be that I just did not want to see [[spoiler: [[RootingForTheEmpire Light losing]]]], but the breakdowns all just seemed to not just serve the above purpose, but to humiliate Light as largely as possible. It felt unnecessarily mean-spirited and like the mangaka was trying to tell its fans that we were stupid for being on his side, even for a moment, despite him being [[VillainProtagonist the protagonist]]. The fact that Matsuda theorizes, and [[WordOfGod the mangaka sort of implies to admit]], that [[spoiler: Near won through cheating, by using the Death Note to control Mikami's actions]], just comes off as a really, really cheap way of ending the manga. The fact that this whole thing only started because [[spoiler: Mikami was stupid and did not double-check to see if he was being followed when he went out of his usual routine schedule]] is just an extra layer of annoyance. |
| 94 | * Tropers/{{Scsigs}}: I find the whole second arc to be just a waste. It's got all of the hallmarks of a PostScriptSeason, where the story stops being entertaining and the story writer clearly had no idea how to properly end the story, so he cheated. I totally understand thee point of the ending. You can't let someone like Light have the unlimited power the Death Note gives someone because he was developing a god complex and other mental disorders like sociopathy and whatever else. However, the author clearly seemed either burnt out on the series, or just grew lazy. The first arc with L was really well done with its setups and payoffs and was very entertaining. The second, however, introduced someone who's almost exactly like L and forced plot points along with no setup prior. What ruined it for me was when Near revealed that he got the Death Note before they all met up in that warehouse. However, from my recollection, there was absolutely ''no'' way that could've happened. With how the series prioritized its intricate setups and payoffs, it felt cheap and the audience was cheated out of a satisfying ending to the series. Light's death should've happened after he grew so arrogant that he screwed up somewhere and the pieces would've been there to be recapped by Near, not forced into the script with no proper setup. It would've been the ultimate irony, as Light killed L through gaining L's trust and learning his real name through a series of BatmanGambits and something like that should've happened to Light with Near, where he thought he could fool someone like L again, but Near would flip the script on ''him.'' Overall, the last arc, and especially the ending, just ruin what was otherwise a great series. |
| 95 | [[/folder]] |
| 96 | |
| 97 | [[folder:Eureka Seven]] |
| 98 | * ''Anime/EurekaSeven'': |
| 99 | ** Tropers/AnimeKing1108: Episode nine titled "Paper Moon Shine" was when I finally decided to give up on this series. Out of nowhere, Holland decides to beat up Renton wandering off without permission. The problem was that Moondoggie was there too, and he didn't so much as yell at him. The worst part of it was that nobody called him out on what he did and he [[KarmaHoudini got away with it]]. That was when I realized that this series is just incredibly mean-spirited. |
| 100 | ** Tropers/{{Komatsuzaki}} - The very first dialogue in the show is the MC explaining to the audience three straight times that he's 14-years-old, and announcing how unhappy he is with his current state of affairs. It comes off as clunky exposition to the highest degree, like the writers were screaming, "Calling all 14-year-old boys! This is the character you're supposed to identify with!" |
| 101 | ** Tropers/Sanfranman91: To make one thing absolutely clear, I really enjoyed the original ''Eureka Seven''. That said, it does not take a genius to recognize why so many of my friends gave up on the show after Episode 7 "Absolute Defeat", the one where Renton was given a "mission of utmost importance." What was this "mission", you ask? It was for Renton to dress like an absolute buffoon and be left out in public so the entire crew can laugh at him. Watching the entire crew pick on poor Renton for no reason whatsoever still makes me cringe today. Thank God the show improved dramatically since that rather disgusting episode. |
| 102 | * ''Anime/EurekaSevenAO'': |
| 103 | ** Tropers/{{Jackedup85}}: The final episode effectively poisons not just the sequel series, but [[HappyEndingOverride the original as well.]] The series had problems staying consistent and filling out plot holes throughout its entire run, but the moment that made me throw my cereal across the room was the revelation of what happened to [[spoiler:Ao's sister. It shows that human-coralian hybrids turn to rocks when exposed to high densities of trapar and die. That's right: Eureka and Renton are not able to have biological children in their home universe, as they horrifically learned through the stillbirth of their daughter.]] 1. Talk about a brutal and flat-out cruel DiabolusExMachina. [[spoiler:Creating a shocking death]] just to torture fan-favorite characters without purpose doesn't create good drama. 2. [[spoiler:So humans can live in high trapar and Coralians can live in high trapar, but a hybrid child can't]]? Tell that to the original series' last DVD's cover. 3. Even if Tomoki Kyoda created a legitimate excuse for this ludicrous rule, what Renton does next goes completely against the original's message of co-existence. [[spoiler:[[StrawmanHasAPoint I guess Dewey Novak is right,]] Scub Coral and Humans can't live together lest Renton later loses it and tries to kill off his first and only love's species]]. 4. It proves that Tomoki Kyoda thinks it's more dramatic to [[spoiler:have a ConvenientMiscarriage]] than to form dynamic relationships between family members, which is what a hack thinks. |
| 104 | *** Tropers/KantonKage: And the final scene ends with [[spoiler:Ao possibly being {{Retgone}}d meaning he has nothing: [[ParentalAbandonment no family]], no [[TrueCompanions Team Pied Piper]], his LoveInterests nonexistent]]. [[AngstWhatAngst Why are you smiling Ao?]] |
| 105 | ** Tropers/{{Sanfranman91}}: Remember the Gekko, the ship where Renton, Eureka, Holland, and the entire crew lived together and where they all thoroughly developed as characters and became stronger because of it? Yeah, upon its arrival, [[spoiler:Eureka]] was the only original series character to come out of it, which was disappointing but somewhat understandable. The real DMOS involving the ship, however, came in Episode 14, [[spoiler:when Generation Blu scuttles the ship, all so that the Japanese can't get their hands on it. What's worse, the show couldn't even muster some shred of respect to the iconic ship upon its rather unceremonious sinking, which left a truly bad taste in my mouth when I first saw this.]] In hindsight, I should have seen the sequel's lack of respect to the original story coming. |
| 106 | * IzzyUneasy: While for me, AO was decent, if only lacking(and those above-mentioned moments made me upset, too), the OVA can go burn in hell. The plot is this - the girls have to travel to Switzerland because their father wants to "repay the media" (let that sink in - he's willing to send her daughter to god-knows-where for his goals), but, whoop-dee-doo, no one wants to see male models, so Ao is forced to become a girl. But I can't say "the entire OVA is a dethroning moment", so I have to give my MedalOfDishonor to the scene on the train. Ao is being harassed and runs away, and the girls laugh, calling him cute. Because it's fun when a man becomes objectified. And if he was spitroasted right there on the scene, they would probably piss themselves laughing. |
| 107 | [[/folder]] |
| 108 | |
| 109 | [[folder:Haruhi Suzumiya]] |
| 110 | ''Literature/HaruhiSuzumiya'' |
| 111 | * Tropers/{{Animeking1108}}: Episode 2 (Chronologically). The SOS Brigade needs a computer, so what does Haruhi do? She forces the president of the Computer Club on Mikuru's breast and takes a photo. She threatens to tell everyone that it was a gang rape. Want to know the worst part? [[KarmaHoudini Haruhi got away with it]]. I officially stopped watching the series after that. I don't care if [[ItWasHisSled Haruhi is god]]. Someone should have smacked her across the face. |
| 112 | * Tropers/ManWithThePlan: For me, it was in ''The Sigh of Literature/HaruhiSuzumiya'' and the whole "Mikuru is my toy!" incident. Not only was the moment overblown with melodrama, but the end of the first novel implied that Haruhi would start getting better, so why reset her development to have her be an even bigger JerkAss than ever before and have Kyon dislike her again? Some fans [[NeverLiveItDown have never forgiven Haruhi for this]]. |
| 113 | * Tropers/{{Larkmarn}}: Seems silly to even mention it since it [[FranchiseKiller destroyed the franchise,]] but freaking "Endless Eight". Eight near-identical episodes. Which wouldn't even be a good episode if it was aired just once. The decision to try that gimmick is the definitive DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck for Kyo-Ani, not just for me but...probably about 90% of their fans. |
| 114 | * Tropers/{{Psyga315}}: While Endless Eight, in my opinion, [[FranchiseKiller destroyed the franchise]], the dethroning moment of suck for me would be the aftermath of it: The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya. The moment being that we're supposed to believe that having eight episodes of the exact same thing is actually a plot point. That's not justifying their existence in a clever way, that's trying to make an unbearable anthology of episodes 'enjoyable' by saying "[[spoiler:b-but it drove Yuki insane too, guys!]]" |
| 115 | * Tropers/{{chucknormie}}: The ending of ''Disappearance'' did it for me. Here there was the wonderful climax, with [[spoiler:Kyon returning the real world to its place after he realized he liked having Haruhi's craziness in her life]] and the speech where [[spoiler:Yuki told him she would be deleted for trying to change the course of the universe in the most heartstring-tuggingly stoic way possible]], and what is Kyon's reaction? He [[spoiler:blackmails the Data Overmind into keeping Yuki alive with the control he discovered he had over Haruhi]]. The problem with this is that the [[spoiler:Data Overmind]] wasn't established as an evil entity, the orders it gave Yuki (observe) were very benign, and [[spoiler:the Endless Eight]] doesn't justify [[spoiler:Yuki nearly rewriting the freaking universe]]. It's a blatant case of ProtagonistCenteredMorality that nearly ruined one of the greatest anime movies I've ever seen. |
| 116 | [[/folder]] |
| 117 | |
| 118 | [[folder:Inuyasha]] |
| 119 | ''Anime/InuYasha'': |
| 120 | * "Kirara Come Home": |
| 121 | ** Tropers/BlueRose: The ending of the episode,. After believing that Kirara ran away, it was revealed that Miyoga was borrowing her. Apparently, Shippo gave him permission, but he was half asleep. So, instead of punishing Miyoga, everyone agrees to beat up Shippo. Even Kagome, who usually punishes [=InuYasha=] for beating up Shippo, encourages it. [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Our heroes, ladies and gentlemen.]] [[DisproportionateRetribution Watch as they beat up a small child for something that wasn't his fault.]] |
| 122 | ** Tropers/Doujinguy567: To clarify, in the beginning, everyone had believed she had ran away and Shippo had been feeding into this possibility by guilt-tripping them on how they were using Kirara for their own ends and taking her for granted when in actuality, he knew what happened to her. This is proven when Myoga returns with her and explains to the group that he had told Shippo that he was taking her with him and what is Shippo seen doing while this is happening? Trying to quietly remove himself from everyone's eyes. So, despite being half asleep, he had an inkling of where she actually was, yet took the time to make everyone feel like crap for no reason. That's the real DMOS, Shippo taking advantage of a situation to make everyone feel like crap over nothing. You can chalk his behavior here up to him being a [[TheTrickster fox spirit]] since this wouldn't be the only time he does it, it's just the one of the very few times it's not directed solely on Inuyasha. |
| 123 | * Tropers/CabbitGirlEmi: The episode where there were these two symbiotic demons left a bitter taste in my mouth. It involves another [=InuYasha=] vs. Koga feud, which of course, tends to have Kagome use the "Sit!" spell, which can quickly get old after, I don't know, the 3rd time? Sure, there were moments where it was necessary, such as when [=InuYasha=] tried to block off the entrance to the well with a boulder (which was funny), and when he went full-demon after the Tetsusaiga broke in half. But after [=InuYasha=] got injured fighting the symbiotic demons and Koga taunts him before running off? Wow Kagome, I had no idea you would be so cold-hearted. Long story short, [=InuYasha=] and Kagome argue again, and their friends get mad at them and not Koga, when it's clearly ''his'' fault and not theirs! |
| 124 | * Tropers/KingCrInuYasha: At one point, the gang encounters a mountain spirit that gives them information on Naraku's heart, along with a crystal that could help them track it down. The manga supposedly handles this one alright, but in the anime, Hakudoshi offs the spirit, making the crystal the heroes just got not five minutes earlier completely useless. Granted, ''Inuyasha'' by that point was becoming notorious for adding pointless {{MacGuffin}}s and power-ups and needlessly dragging the storyline, but even by its standards, this plot point was a total waste of time. |
| 125 | * Tropers/ElvenQueen: The moment that cemented my immense dislike for Kagome is in episode 109. So Kikyo has to be carried away from Mt. Hakurei's barrier so her soul collectors can tend to her, and Kagome suggests that Inuyasha be the one to do it. When he does what she says, Kagome proceeds to [[{{Wangst}} mope]] about her LoveTriangle woes, thinking to herself that she doesn't want to see Inuyasha and Kikyo together. First of all, it was Kagome's idea for Inuyasha to get Kikyo to safety--if she didn't want that to happen, she should've agreed to have Miroku do it, which was the initial suggestion. And what really angers me about this scene is just how petty and selfish Kagome is. Kikyo is in a life-and-death situation, and all Kagome can do is [[ItsAllAboutMe throw herself a pity party]] when Inuyasha dares to care about the wellbeing of his first love. The fact that [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic the audience is clearly supposed to sympathize with Kagome]] and [[InformedWrongness think Inuyasha is in the wrong]] is just the smelly icing on the rotten cake. |
| 126 | * Tropers/SupremeX15: "Shippo's New Technique, the Heart Scar!" should have been called "Shippo Torture Porn". I kind of like Shippo, even though he serves no real purpose for the plot. Still, this episode puts him through hell, and takes great glee in doing so. To be frank, he put himself in it, but we'll get that later. The episode begins with five fox turds- sorry, a group of five young fox demons searching for Shippo because they believe him be the powerful leader of Inuyasha's group, which can't be further from the truth. The heroes happen upon a village that's having trouble with a local demon, and they're asked to take care of it. Meanwhile, Shippo gets acquainted with a cute girl named Mizuki, who he becomes smitten with. However, the episode goes downhill when Shippo meets the fox turds who want become his apprentices. [[note]]Yeah, I'm referring to these little fox demons as little lumps of shit, due to the fact that they're all obnoxious and annoying pains in the ass, and I hate so them much I won't even bother remembering their names, so I'll just keep calling them "fox turds", cuz that's what they are.[[/note]] The fox turds think Shippo knows the Wind Scar and want him to teach it to them because they want to be badasses like their new "Master". Shippo, in an effort to feed his overly inflated ego, plays along with their delusion, but soon realizes he can't back up his promise to teach them the Wind Scar. Later, the fox turds get it in their heads that Shippo is planning to play some cruel prank on Mizuki, and pressure him into doing it. Predictably, after the prank is done, Mizuki, understandably upset at being betrayed, angrily declares she hates him and runs away crying. The fox turds are absolutely no help in soothing Shippo's broken heart. And then the demon shows up and tries to kill Shippo and the fox turds, but Shippo, having had enough of being hopelessly outmatched and being rescued by the others, takes all of his anger & frustration out on the demon by using a new move he created, the dreaded "Heart Scar!", which is just mega biting the poor bastard repeatedly, and the fox turds join in. Admittedly, it is awesome that Shippo managed to defeat a demon on his own, but still, a [[GroinAttack mega bite to the balls]] is just lame. After that, the fox turds finally leave Shippo alone, leaving the poor little guy to cry in misery over Mizuki. Boy, does Shippo suffer needlessly, and the little fox turds are responsible for it all. It's not just the fox turds, either. The episode itself is basically an unfunny rehash of episode 55, and the same can apply to episode 91 to a lesser degree. In all three, Shippo meets a potential LoveInterest while also dealing with a demon plaguing the local village, except in this particularly episode, Shippo doesn't get to save the girl in the end this time. Instead, he's forced to hurt her, resulting in his heartache, because she now hates his guts, and the fox turds [[KarmaHoudini get away with forcing Shippo to do it]]. Yes, part of it is his own fault for trying to act cool and regret it later, but the ones truly to blame are these fox turds, who made him do it in the first place. Now, I can forgive this repetitive romance thing with Shippo, because even if the formula gets tiring after a while, these girls from each respective episode, Satsuki, Koume, and Mizuki are perfectly nice and likable characters (At least at the beginning, in Mizuki's case, albeit understandable). What I can't forgive, is the inclusion of these five obnoxious little fox turds, who never shut up, drag the plot down and never get punished for causing Shippo's misery. As a result, they make me want to feed them to starved crazed dogs. |
| 127 | [[/folder]] |
| 128 | |
| 129 | [[folder:Kill la Kill]] |
| 130 | ''Anime/KillLaKill'': |
| 131 | * Tropers/IzzyUneasy: By the way about the episode 12 [[Recap/KillLaKillEp12SpitYourSadnessAway "Spit Your Sadness Away"]], the moment that still makes me grind my teeth in frustration is the aforementioned Sanageyama's defeat by Nui's hands. Just as it looks like we will get to see a revenge match, she just appears and throws him away like an used tissue. The entire situation just makes me think that someone wanted to turn the monkey boy into a ButtMonkey [[AccidentalPun (hehe)]] who would make [[WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants Sheldon Plankton]] look like Eugene Krabs, only to get kicked in the ass so hard that their head flew out of it. |
| 132 | * [[Recap/KillLaKillEp16TheGirlCantHelpIt "This Girl Can't Help It"]]: |
| 133 | ** Tropers/InTheGallbladder: On the one hand, ''Kill la Kill'' is chock full of awesome and genuinely respectable characters. On the other hand, Trigger seriously screwed up when writing some of the series' villains. Case in point: where Ragyo [[spoiler:gets in the bath with Satsuki, sexually molests her while prattling about the nudity taboo]], and calls it "ritual purification". So, not only does she yak about clothes being the original sin, spout trite slogans in foreign tongues (her [[OminousLatinChanting leitmotif]] is one such slogan), and consider her second-in-command too artistic to take orders, but she's [[spoiler:a sexual predator]] to boot? Nope, not gonna like her, you can't make me. |
| 134 | ** Tropers/Gene0129: The [[spoiler:molestation on Satsuki]] was bad enough as it is, but it gets worse when you realize that Ragyo [[spoiler:is her biological mom]]. |
| 135 | ** Tropers/someoneintheshadow456 That's not even the worst part, I had a suspicion that [[spoiler: Ragyo was sexually abusing Satsuki]] since episode 13, what annoyed me was the way the writers handled it. Whenever it was mentioned again, it was HandWaved or just used to show how evil Ragyo is and the [[AngstWhatAngst psychological repercussions]] were never explored. Which made me think they included this scene purely for shock value and that's not only lazy writing but [[spoiler: [[UnfortunateImplications a slap in the face towards actual victims of sexual assault]]]] |
| 136 | * [[Recap/KillLaKillEp21Imcomplete "Incomplete"]]: |
| 137 | ** @/SomeNewGuy: While Ryuko's [[spoiler:FaceHeelTurn by MindRape]] led to such badass moments as Satsuki [[spoiler:donning Senketsu]] and Nui [[spoiler:finally being brought down a peg]], I have to take issue with the events that directly preceded this, namely Ryuko [[spoiler:bitterly delivering multiple hateful, spiteful {{The Reason You Suck Speech}}es to all the people she developed bonds with for the past 17 episodes before outright abandoning them out of spite]]. To me, the idea that she [[spoiler:would instantly do a complete 180 in personality and abandon her closest friends,]] all because [[spoiler:she found out her mother was the BigBad]], completely flew in the face of all the CharacterDevelopment Ryuko had gotten in the series up to this point. |
| 138 | ** Tropers/Calamity2007: Now aside from [[spoiler: Ragyo]] there wasn't really much rape imagery in the later parts. It was mostly the early parts that had some examples of this imagery, namely when Senketsu forcibly forces himself on Ryuko. While yes, it is understandable that he would be desperate since he was literally starving at that point and needed Ryuko's blood, it doesn't help that the scene was framed strangely sexual, and because of this seems a OutOfCharacterMoment for Senketsu in hindsight due to him treating Ryuko with respect and like a sister throughout the rest of the series. |
| 139 | ** @/ChrispAndChrisIce: I have very strong feelings about Episode 12 of Kill la Kill. Many I've talked to enjoy this episode for reasons I can't fathom, but think about it: a cute, small girl comes into the setting out of nowhere. She embodies the qualities of ''cute'' and ''psycho'' blatantly, with a sadistic evil side to contrast her adorable look and speech pattern. The first thing she does is immediately curb stomp a character shown to be nearly untouchable, then beat up the main character and pull some super important revelation involving the main character's backstory, complete with flashback. What does this sound like? Look around the Sue Tropes for a while. It's every crappily written OC in history. |
| 140 | [[/folder]] |
| 141 | |
| 142 | [[folder:Pretty Cure]] |
| 143 | A MagicalGirl franchise that’s been running over 15 years is sure to have made a few big slip-ups here and there. |
| 144 | * Tropers/Izzy Uneasy: I like ''Anime/YesPrettyCure5'', but I hate how Milk behaved in her debut episode. First she ate Nozomi's snack, and them pulled some sob story out of her ass to make everyone pity her! And guess what? It worked! Everybody is crying about her, spoiling her, while paying no attention to poor hungry Nozomi! [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And also,]] [[OffModel why are Girinma's glasses are twice as bigger as they were before?]] |
| 145 | * [[Tropers/{{paigeledewott}} MaskyTheMenace]]: ''[[Anime/FutariWaPrettyCureSplashStar Futari wa Splash Star]]'' is one of my favorite ''Pretty Cure'' seasons, but [[Recap/FwPCSSEp08MinoriAndTheTwoBigSisters Episode 8]] really handed the JerkassBall to Saki, and not in a good way either. So, at one point in the episode, Minori, Saki's little sister, pretends to be a football player just like how Saki is. Makes sense, after all, Minori's still a child. Then the mitt comes flying off her hand, and it hits one of the cups that Saki and Mai haven't drank yet, spilling orange juice all over Mai's drawing and ruining it. Saki then snaps at Minori, to which Mai responds that it's not that serious and she can just make a new drawing. Saki then denies what Mai said, and chews out Minori for ruining Mai's drawing. And then comes the DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck; Saki harshly yells that... she's [[KickTheDog not going to play with her little sister anymore]], which causes Minori to start crying. Mai attempts to get Saki to understand that the latter hurt Minori's feelings, but Saki [[{{Jerkass}} just says that Mai is not apart of the situation and yells at her to be quiet]]. Saki is then [[JerkassRealization quick to realize her actions]] when she sees that Mai was hurt from her choice of words, and after some awkward silence of the girls looking at eachother in sadness, Mai understandably has to leave.\ |
| 146 | ...[[WhatTheHellHero Really, Saki?!]] I mean, Minori's just a child, she doesn't know any better! She wasn't directly bothering Saki either, she was doing all that in the background! And the way Saki treated Mai there... just... ouch. I understand she was angry, but she had no reason to do that. Sure, they all made up near the end of the episode, but still... |
| 147 | * Tropers/FireChick12012: In episode eight of ''Anime/SmilePrettyCure'', Miyuki and Candy switch bodies because of Majorina's Switcheroo rings, and as a result, Candy has to spend the day at school in Miyuki's body. It goes about as well as you expect: Candy draws all over her tests, fails any work she receives, misbehaves during class, and basically makes the teachers angry with her misbehavior, much to the infuriation of Miyuki and everyone else. You'd think that Candy would receive a massive scolding over how she almost ruined Miyuki's social life and how she needs to grow up, since Miyuki moved to the area recently. But nope! Miyuki thinks she said too much and should apologize because Candy supposedly did her best. Uhh...no, Miyuki. Your anger was completely justified. All Candy did was act like a little kid and almost ruin everything! The only thing she did her best at was cause trouble, and NOBODY calls her on it! In all fairness, Miyuki and the others should have been harsh toward Candy since she almost ruined any chance Miyuki had of a social life and was too much of a brat to realize it! |
| 148 | * ''Anime/KiraKiraPrecureALaMode'', |
| 149 | ** Tropers/AjWargo: I personally did my best to enjoy but now I hate the final set of episodes. Why, you ask? TheDragon, Elisio (Or either Erisio or Elysio, depending on how you choose to say that bastard’s name) betrays TheBigBad, Noir, with what I consider to be an Asspull! TheStarscream is a tricky trope to pull off, and the show’s producers didn’t do it all that well. Not only were there little to no signs of this betrayal coming, but it also prevents the Cures from getting to Noir and convincing him to stop his vendetta against sweets! It also feels redundant as the Cures had fought Elisio in several episodes before hand (including the one prior to the episode the betrayal takes place in), and on top of that, what he does after taking both Noir and the BigGood’s power is dumb- making a world without hope or fear. How does that tie into the season? It’s a good thing ''Anime/HugttoPrettyCure'' was a very, very good season after that, or I would have quit watching Pretty Cure altogether! |
| 150 | ** Tropers/{{cookieman}}: A La Mode was a pretty good season, and I did have some issues with Elisio's AssPull betrayal (considering he was actually part of Noir). However, one episode that bothered me a bit was a really early one where a guy had a crush on a preschool teacher. Nothing wrong with that, but how it's presented was incredibly awkward and comes off as super creepy. Basically it's shown he keeps awkwardly encountering her (he explains he doesn't feel confident enough to ask his crush out), sometimes with her students with her. The reason why he has a crush on her? A memory of them back when they were really young and shared a cookie on a school trip that makes him come off as obsessive. Of course the KiraPati use this as an opportunity for customers, which seem even more off-putting. The part that bothered me the most about this episode was the UnfortunateImplications it has with people with crushes - as there have been people who have [[StalkerWithACrush stalked others at their workplaces just because of a crush]], and the fact they ended up dating two episodes later to leave a really weird and mixed message. |
| 151 | [[/folder]] |
| 152 | |
| 153 | [[folder:Ranma ½]] |
| 154 | ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'': |
| 155 | * Tropers/MicoolTNT: The [[spoiler:"out of order" sign rising up from the Japanese Nannichuan at the end of that story arc]]. Obviously, FailureIsTheOnlyOption where a cure for Ranma's curse is concerned, but comedy or not, an [[spoiler:"out of order" sign]] is an AssPull taken up to eleven. Regardless of the fact that the "quest" was pretty bogus and {{Parodied}} many tropes, it should have still ended in a real reason why the cure was fake -- even if that reason was humorous, it should have made sense. It also highlighted the series' [[JumpedTheShark increasing reliance]] on the ResetButton to maintain StatusQuoIsGod. |
| 156 | * Tropers/{{Catmuto}}: In the final volume, the party is in Jusenkyo, the fiasco of the bird tribe has been dealt with and you think Ranma, and the other cursed characters, would take a dip in the appropriate spring and remove the curse, right? Nope! After things have died down it rains heavily and floods the entire Jusenkyo area, making it impossible to tell where one spring begins and ends, leaving the characters to return to Japan. Aside from this being one of the worst ways to bring StatusQuoIsGod up as the story's end, it's a completely pointless problem, too. Why couldn't the characters just stay in Jusenkyo for a few days or however long it took for the rain to stop and the flooding to subside? It's not like they haven't skipped school for things before and a few more days would not make much of a difference, considering the series runs on ComicbookTime. |
| 157 | * Tropers/GunarmDyne: The ending is the capstone to the decline of an otherwise very good manga, but the dethroning moment that signaled Takahashi writing herself into a corner involved completely destroying my personal favorite character, Ukyo, by making her fall to the levels of characters like Shampoo and Kodachi. Here was a character who genuinely loved Ranma and competed for his affection without trying to hurt other people in the process (at least after she got over her initial anger). Near the end, she ends up helping destroy the Saotomes' house with Shampoo and Kodachi in a jealous rage. No apology. No recompense. And all three Saotomes are forced to live with the Tendos again. StatusQuoIsGod was so important to Takahashi in that series that she had to destroy a well-established and popular character in order to maintain it. |
| 158 | * Swiss6666: The Martial Arts Dining Arc. If you hate wasting food, a character and his family being rich people whose activity is basically one eating contest after another, also deforming their mouths in incredibly grotesque ways to achieve that (it's honestly the biggest NightmareFuel I got from the series), don't feel like quirky and funny opponents but just triggering and repulsive. The absolute worst is during the final confrontation as Picolet resorts to eating like a dog (the anime adds some sweet sounds effects to that). It's good that this rock bottom of the series doesn't happen too late into it. |
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| 161 | [[folder:Sailor Moon]] |
| 162 | ''Manga/SailorMoon'', your [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck dethroning moments of suck]] have gone too far! They've turned a popular, well-loved manga into a nest of darkness, angering fans the world over! These crimes cannot go unpunished! InTheNameOfTheMoon, we will punish you! |
| 163 | * ''Sailor Moon S'' |
| 164 | ** Tropers/{{Legomaniac90}}: This troper enjoyed , but the end of the season left a bitter taste in his mouth. It starts out with a SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}} as Michiru and Haruka give baby Hotaru back to her father. However, Haruka then mentions one more thing to do, and from there it all goes downhill. Said thing is to approach Sailor Moon while she's still depressed from losing Hotaru, and [[KicktheDog denigrate her, throw a rock at her, and generally act like a bunch of pricks]]. The two main reasons they are upset are (and I kid you not) "Usagi, you were too kind!" and "You risked the Earth by protecting the Soldier of Destruction!" Then they flat out say that Usagi shouldn't be a queen. First off, it's not their decision, since Usagi happens to be Princess Serenity and they are supposed to serve her (not the other way around). Second, how dare they get angry about Usagi risking the Earth when they did next-to-nothing to help the Inner Senshi and actually hindered them on several occasions? Thirdly, if they think Usagi was being too kind when she protected Hotaru, [[FridgeLogic why'd they give Hotaru to her father? She (presumably at this point) still has the power to destroy the Earth.]] And lastly, unlike them, Usagi actually has saved the world not once, but twice (four times counting the movies made up to this point). |
| 165 | ** PuffPuff: Seconded. This doubly pissed me off because we're talking about the same pair who would have been fine with the entire world being ended if one or the other died, because, and this was their own words, without each other, the world wasn't worth saving. And they're calling out Usagi on her decision? Selfish, immature idiots, the both of them. |
| 166 | ** Tropers/MsCC93: One moment that infuriated me was in episode 61 "Huge Shock for Usagi! Mamoru Declares a Break Up" when Chibi-Usa [[PottyFailure wets the bed,]] and Usagi gets misblamed and gets punished for it, and Shingo makes fun of her for it. It came off as mean-spirited rather than funny. A question that popped up in my head was this: how can parents expect a 14 year old girl to wet the bed, intentionally or not? I know Usagi is supposed to be the ButtMonkey, but this moment took her ButtMonkey status to ridiculous lengths. Not cool. |
| 167 | ** Tropers/FireChick12012: Episode 18 of S, known as "Art Appreciation" in English, is basically an IdiotPlot in the worst form. Basically, Usagi accidentally eats a cake, not knowing it was Chibiusa's. When she finds out, she's angry at her. You'd think that Chibiusa would realize that the whole thing happened because she forgot to leave a note on there, and that it's just a trivial thing we can forget about in a few minutes, right? Nope! Instead, she yells at Usagi about it, doesn't acknowledge her own part in it, and proceeds to hold it over her head throughout the entire episode. Worst of all, ''nobody else calls her on it!'' Not only that, after that, Chibiusa treats Usagi like crap even for so much as helping her attempt to win over a boy she liked! Even at the end of the episode, Chibiusa holds the incident over her head and instead of calling the brat on it, ''the other girls agree with her and join in on insulting Usagi!!'' This was just so stupid beyond belief, and IMHO, it's easily THE worst Sailor Moon episode ever! |
| 168 | ** Tropers/CatMuto: I really enjoy the manga of ''Sailor Moon'' more than the 1990s anime version, but there is one part I really do not enjoy, and dread if I want to re-read it. And that's Usagi's jealousy towards Chibiusa during the Black Moon arc. Usagi is jealous of Chibiusa, who has a childish crush on Mamoru. And Usagi actually thinks Chibiusa is a potential, serious rival for Mamoru's affection, like Mamoru would actually consider dating a girl who [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld looks to be 9 years old]]. This does not feel like a character flaw Usagi needs to overcome through CharacterDevelopment, this feels like Usagi actually thinks her boyfriend has paedophilic tendencies. It comes across as a very weird, and very off-putting aspect, and really drags down an arc that improved on the original Dark Kingdom arc. |
| 169 | * Tropers/{{Pookaboo}}: The entire episode 'Much Ado About Kitten' of Super S made me hate everyone. The fact that Artemis was immediately assumed to have been having an affair (and a crush on a human woman of all things), and despite the fact that this guy (er, cat's) been with the Senshi and Minako of all people for some time, no one stops to think, let alone try and talk to him to get his side. Minako especially treats him terribly. And even after everything is cleared up, Luna is still a bitch and calls him out for his 'supposed crush', when in actuality, he was staring at the chapel becaue he thought it would be a good place to get married. And that's it. No apologies, nothing. It made me want to reach through the screen and slap everyone, especially Luna and Minako, right in the face. Plus, uh, hello? Diana has a moon on her damn head! This shouldn't be that hard to solve, dumbasses! |
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| 171 | |
| 172 | [[folder:Sword Art Online]] |
| 173 | ''Literature/SwordArtOnline'': |
| 174 | * Tropers/{{Blatch}}: The Alfheim arc has a scene where Asuna, having made an escape from her birdcage prison, wanders into the room where Sugou is keeping everyone's brains held hostage. While that is somewhat disgusting, it's just a backdrop for what horrible act happens next: Asuna finds the terminal controlling her brain, and is this close to deactivating it (thus, freeing herself from the game), when a strange slug monster with tentacles grapples her from the terminal, and then dangles her in the air for a few seconds...wow. [[SeasonalRot Out of all the wrong from an arc that many other fans hate,]] I found this to be the worst (even worse than the climax, which had [[spoiler:AttemptedRape]]). Due to Sugou's LargeHam tendencies, I actually was able to enjoy it, simply because the tentacle monsters did not have any right to actually be like that, the whole scene was unecessary to begin with (if the anime dropped several scenes of importance to the plot, why couldn't a non-important scene be dropped as well?), and overall, it just seemed like a vain attempt to please someone's sexual preference. |
| 175 | * Tropers/{{KantonKage}}: Kirito calling Sugou worse than Kayaba. While Sugou is indeed terrible, his crimes pale in comparison to Kayaba. The former was responsible for kidnapping 10,000 people and doesn't care that over 3,300 people died at his hands. While the latter kidnaps 300 and goes for an AttemptedRape. So I got the feeling was that AMillionIsAStatistic and that [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rape is the only true crime]]. |
| 176 | * Tropers/{{bisonx}}: ''Sword Art Online'' has by far one of the worst Christmas episodes of all time. All it focused on was Kirito [[ILetGwenStacyDie watching his girl Sachi die]], and later, as the episode ended, Kirito [[HeroicBSOD breaks down]] hearing Sachi's final message play "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer" of all songs (the episode gets its title from this scene, Red-Nosed Reindeer). You do not end a Christmas episode like this at all. |
| 177 | * Tropers/Kevjro7: TheReveal that [[spoiler:Heathcliff is Kayaba Akihiko]]. Kirito's first reason for this is that watching someone else play video games is boring, which is completely inaccurate as any fan of LetsPlays will tell you. Even people who don't watch them have probably seen others play video games in person and still gotten enjoyment from just watching. As a gamer myself, and as someone who watches a lot of Website/YouTube videos of people playing games, I was insulted by this complete ignorance. The second reason is that Heathcliff moved really quickly during a split second exactly once. There are plenty of other explanations for that other than [[spoiler:Heathcliff cheating]], like him being that good of a player or exploiting faulty programing. This reasoning basically amounts to "Nobody can beat me in a fight without cheating," which is extremely arrogant of [[InvincibleHero Kirito]]. That whole scene was rushed, insulting, stupid, and made it very clear that the staff is ignorant about gaming culture. If you're going to write a story about video games, do your research first. |
| 178 | * Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: Ordinal Scale was a pretty good movie; I'll give it that. However, there's one baffling problem about the film. And that is a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter severe lack of Suguha]]. She only has a few minutes' worth of screen time, in which she leaves for a Kendo tournament, trains Kazuto while technically offscreen, and shows up as Leafa during the climactic fight at the end of the film in that order. Ordinal Scale is an Augmented Reality game in the physical realm, so it might have been interesting if Suguha got to play with her brother and friends and clean house since she is the most physically active of the protagonists. I could imagine her bonding with Asuna about being so good at the game. It's such a disappointment that they didn't include this [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot potential interaction]] between two prominent characters. Not only that, but Suguha could have also been the first to realize that Eiji was cheating because his superhuman abilities (via cybernetic enhancements) are physically impossible to do in real life. She's a natural athlete who exercises regularly and should have more knowledge of the human body than anyone. I can only imagine that was the reason for her limited screen time from most of the film. I argue nothing would change whether she was there or not, so why didn't they include Suguha in the main plot? |
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| 180 | |
| 181 | [[folder:Yuyu Hakusho]] |
| 182 | ''Manga/YuYuHakusho'': |
| 183 | * Tropers/{{Xiantera}}: The low point for the manga was when much of the Three Kings Saga builds up how powerful Yomi is and that he could be planning to take over all three worlds, only to turn the fight against Yomi into an anticlimax when Yomi apparently gives up on his ambition after Yusuke starts the Demon World Unification Tournament, and reduces the fight against Yomi to the opening moves. |
| 184 | * Tropers/{{Sahgo}}: For me, it was way before that: Yusuke vs. Rando. Are you honestly telling me that he won through sheer luck? Don't get me wrong here - I know that luck is a factor in any conflict...but it's one factor. Any anime who has the character surviving through luck also has it winning through effort/intelligence/etc. In this case, Yusuke only won because he had algae inside his ears (not by his own planning, mind you, it simply got stuck there). Nope, no strategy, no willpower-that-defies-biology...just algae. What a cheap victory, Togashi. |
| 185 | * @/{{Ecclytennysmithylove}}: Episode 97 "Departing Living World" is where I lost my interest in Shizuru when she beats up Kuwabara for not going to school. As a fangirl who loves Kuwabara, I sometimes like Shizuru because of her CoolBigSis personality. However, I would've liked Shizuru more if it weren't for the DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale she inflicted on her baby brother. The way she treated him in that episode would make WesternAnimation/SouthPark's Shelley Marsh feel ashamed of what she always done to her little brother Stan. Yes, I know these abuse are meant to be PlayedForLaughs, but the FridgeHorror that the way Shizuru treated Kuwabara was where Kuwabara's desire to never fight with women probably comes from seriously makes me want to write an angry letter to the anime director, Noriyuki Abe, demanding him to please remove that scene of Shizuru abusing Kuwabara permanently. |
| 186 | * Tropers/WhyNotNow: There are four little words that utterly [[DarthWiki/RuinedForever killed]] the [[OfficialCouple Yusuke/Keiko]] relationship for me, and if I hadn't decided to give it a second chance and seen how epic the series became later on, it might damn near have ruined the series for me: Yusuke grabs Keiko's breasts. Yusuke grabs Keiko's breasts. Yusuke. Grabs. Keiko's. Breasts!! [[FlatWhat What.]] [[BigWhat What?!]] What the hell, Yusuke?! Everything else he's done to fondle and tease Keiko pales in comparison to the Crowning Moment of [[EpicFail Fail]] when our hero, even a lowly street punk like Yusuke Urameshi, violates and molests his LoveInterest, and worse yet, when it's implied to be the foundation of their relationship! That is a MoralEventHorizon many real life men cross by sexually harassing and forcing themselves onto coworkers and employees and even family members and it's the kind of callous, cruel disregard for women's rights and the female body that leaves deep, traumatic scars behind and which can sometimes never heal, and it's something that made me hate [[DesignatedHero Yusuke]] initially. Thank God he developed into a better, more fleshed out, well-rounded character later on, even if their relationship did go nowhere. |
| 187 | * Tropers/IzzyUneasy: After Kuwabara defeats Byakko, he hangs at the brittle stone, and his comrades are joking among one another, paying no attention to Kuwabara's cries and even mocking him/ That's right - apparently, the authors think that giggle about your helpless ally is the funniest thing ever. What if he fell for real? Would it be funny then? |
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