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25th May '16 8:29:47 AM PokeNirvash
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* PokeNirvash: Normally, I'm not one to hate on anime, even if they're technically not all that good, but {{Oreimo}} episode 11 was definitely my least favorite, because of the whole scene in Kyosuke's room near the end of the first act. You'd think my problem with it would stem from Kirino being a bitch towards her older brother, as per usual. But that's not the case here. The reason that scene drew my ire was because of how Kyosuke responded to the situation. Or rather, how he didn't respond. If my little sister opened an eroge on her laptop and then placed it on my bedroom desk in an attempt to make my cute childhood friend hate me forever, my first response to it would be to close the effing laptop. So much drama could've been avoided if Kyosuke just closed his laptop, which is a more effective means of hiding scandalous imagery than covering up the screen with your person or even pressing the escape key. Hell, shutting the damn thing down would've been equally satisfactory. But no, he just had to spaz out over the presence of Kirino's PC and the eroge displayed on it instead of using common sense. So in a way, both Kirino and Kyosuke are at fault for the situation playing out the way it did.

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* PokeNirvash: Normally, I'm not one to hate on anime, even if they're technically not all that good, but {{Oreimo}} ''{{Oreimo}}'' episode 11 was definitely my least favorite, because of the whole scene in Kyosuke's room near the end of the first act. You'd think my problem with it would stem from Kirino being a bitch towards her older brother, as per usual. But that's not the case here. The reason that scene drew my ire was because of how Kyosuke responded to the situation. Or rather, how he didn't respond. If my little sister opened an eroge on her laptop and then placed it on my bedroom desk in an attempt to make my cute childhood friend hate me forever, my first response to it would be to close the effing laptop. So much drama could've been avoided if Kyosuke just closed his laptop, which is a more effective means of hiding scandalous imagery than covering up the screen with your person or even pressing the escape key. Hell, shutting the damn thing down would've been equally satisfactory. But no, he just had to spaz out over the presence of Kirino's PC and the eroge displayed on it instead of using common sense. So in a way, both Kirino and Kyosuke are at fault for the situation playing out the way it did.
25th May '16 8:29:09 AM PokeNirvash
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* PokeNirvash: Normally, I'm not one to hate on anime, even if they're technically not all that good, but [[Oreimo]] episode 11 was definitely my least favorite, because of the whole scene in Kyosuke's room near the end of the first act. You'd think my problem with it would stem from Kirino being a bitch towards her older brother, as per usual. But that's not the case here. The reason that scene drew my ire was because of how Kyosuke responded to the situation. Or rather, how he didn't respond. If my little sister opened an eroge on her laptop and then placed it on my bedroom desk in an attempt to make my cute childhood friend hate me forever, my first response to it would be to close the effing laptop. So much drama could've been avoided if Kyosuke just closed his laptop, which is a more effective means of hiding scandalous imagery than covering up the screen with your person or even pressing the escape key. Hell, shutting the damn thing down would've been equally satisfactory. But no, he just had to spaz out over the presence of Kirino's PC and the eroge displayed on it instead of using common sense. So in a way, both Kirino and Kyosuke are at fault for the situation playing out the way it did.

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* PokeNirvash: Normally, I'm not one to hate on anime, even if they're technically not all that good, but [[Oreimo]] {{Oreimo}} episode 11 was definitely my least favorite, because of the whole scene in Kyosuke's room near the end of the first act. You'd think my problem with it would stem from Kirino being a bitch towards her older brother, as per usual. But that's not the case here. The reason that scene drew my ire was because of how Kyosuke responded to the situation. Or rather, how he didn't respond. If my little sister opened an eroge on her laptop and then placed it on my bedroom desk in an attempt to make my cute childhood friend hate me forever, my first response to it would be to close the effing laptop. So much drama could've been avoided if Kyosuke just closed his laptop, which is a more effective means of hiding scandalous imagery than covering up the screen with your person or even pressing the escape key. Hell, shutting the damn thing down would've been equally satisfactory. But no, he just had to spaz out over the presence of Kirino's PC and the eroge displayed on it instead of using common sense. So in a way, both Kirino and Kyosuke are at fault for the situation playing out the way it did.
25th May '16 8:28:03 AM PokeNirvash
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** Tropers/{{mariic}}: [[AmericansHateTingle Naru]] [[DesignatedHero Narusegawa]] has always been a character I hated because of her [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale treatment of Keitaro]] [[DudeNotFunny being played for laughs]], but her portrayal in ''Love Hina: Spring Movie'' was the worst. Not only did she cross the MoralEventHorizon by [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing Keitaro's friends]] [[KarmaHoudini without getting punished or called out for her behavior,]] but [[EsotericHappyEnding it ends with both her and Keitaro going to Tokyo U together,]] [[FridgeHorror so the latter has to spend the rest of his life being tormented by an abusive spouse.]]

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** Tropers/{{mariic}}: [[AmericansHateTingle Naru]] [[DesignatedHero Narusegawa]] has always been a character I hated because of her [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale treatment of Keitaro]] [[DudeNotFunny being played for laughs]], but her portrayal in ''Love Hina: Spring Movie'' was the worst. Not only did she cross the MoralEventHorizon by [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing Keitaro's friends]] [[KarmaHoudini without getting punished or called out for her behavior,]] but [[EsotericHappyEnding it ends with both her and Keitaro going to Tokyo U together,]] [[FridgeHorror so the latter has to spend the rest of his life being tormented by an abusive spouse.]]]]
*PokeNirvash: Normally, I'm not one to hate on anime, even if they're technically not all that good, but [[Oreimo]] episode 11 was definitely my least favorite, because of the whole scene in Kyosuke's room near the end of the first act. You'd think my problem with it would stem from Kirino being a bitch towards her older brother, as per usual. But that's not the case here. The reason that scene drew my ire was because of how Kyosuke responded to the situation. Or rather, how he didn't respond. If my little sister opened an eroge on her laptop and then placed it on my bedroom desk in an attempt to make my cute childhood friend hate me forever, my first response to it would be to close the effing laptop. So much drama could've been avoided if Kyosuke just closed his laptop, which is a more effective means of hiding scandalous imagery than covering up the screen with your person or even pressing the escape key. Hell, shutting the damn thing down would've been equally satisfactory. But no, he just had to spaz out over the presence of Kirino's PC and the eroge displayed on it instead of using common sense. So in a way, both Kirino and Kyosuke are at fault for the situation playing out the way it did.
21st May '16 6:59:46 PM Peridonyx
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* Tropers/{{Peridonyx}}: [[spoiler:Kotaro's DownerEnding]] at the end of the ''Anime/AfroSamurai'' manga, specifically when a [[spoiler:[[HardWorkHardlyWorks now-finally-in-his-prime Kotaro ultimately receives nothing more than an anti-climactic death from a]] [[MartyStu now-long-past-his-prime Afro]]. So what was the point of all of those blatant {{Ironic Echo}}es between them, then?]]
18th May '16 10:49:37 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* Tropers/ChrisX: In the manga version of ''FlameOfRecca''. [[TheSmartGuy Mikagami Tokiya]]. Drugged by a minor villain so easily. So much for being a genius!

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* Tropers/ChrisX: In the manga version of ''FlameOfRecca''.''Manga/FlameOfRecca''. [[TheSmartGuy Mikagami Tokiya]]. Drugged by a minor villain so easily. So much for being a genius!
9th May '16 1:10:35 AM mariic
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** Tropers/{{mariic}}: [[AmericansHateTingle Naru]] [[DesignatedHero Narusegawa]] has always been a character I hated because of her [[DoubleStandardsAbuseFemaleOnMale treatment of Keitaro]] [[DudeNotFunny being played for laughs]], but her portrayal in ''Love Hina: Spring Movie'' was the worst. Not only did she cross the MoralEventHorizon by [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing Keitaro's friends]] [[KarmaHoudini without getting punished or called out for her behavior,]] but [[EsotericHappyEnding it ends with both her and Keitaro going to Tokyo U together,]] [[FridgeHorror so the latter has to spend the rest of his life being tormented by an abusive spouse.]]

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** Tropers/{{mariic}}: [[AmericansHateTingle Naru]] [[DesignatedHero Narusegawa]] has always been a character I hated because of her [[DoubleStandardsAbuseFemaleOnMale [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale treatment of Keitaro]] [[DudeNotFunny being played for laughs]], but her portrayal in ''Love Hina: Spring Movie'' was the worst. Not only did she cross the MoralEventHorizon by [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing Keitaro's friends]] [[KarmaHoudini without getting punished or called out for her behavior,]] but [[EsotericHappyEnding it ends with both her and Keitaro going to Tokyo U together,]] [[FridgeHorror so the latter has to spend the rest of his life being tormented by an abusive spouse.]]
3rd May '16 10:30:36 PM mariic
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** @/LucaEarlgrey: I just finished Season 1, having seen the finale, and while it's great that µ's is all back together, one part really nags at me: Kotori, having been 99% set on her career as a fashion designer, is at the airport with her escorts, getting ready to pursue her new life. Honoka shows up at the last minute, begging Kotori to come back and apologizing for her misdoings. As if without much second thought, Kotori just ditches her escorts and whatever other preparations that she, her mother, and the school she's set for to go rejoin µ's. I can understand having conflicted feelings, but now imagine her escorts being angry over this, her mother getting furious calls about her daughter making such a last-second decision, and the mess of expenses and bureaucracy that her family now has to deal with. Yet all Mrs. Minami has to show for it is...a smile for her daughter who's on stage, as if nothing bad is going to happen. I know it was effectively mandatory that µ's get back together, but this probably could've been done in a way that doesn't carry the message of "go ahead and throw away a few million of your family's yen in study-abroad expenses just to join your friends again."

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** @/LucaEarlgrey: I just finished Season 1, having seen the finale, and while it's great that µ's is all back together, one part really nags at me: Kotori, having been 99% set on her career as a fashion designer, is at the airport with her escorts, getting ready to pursue her new life. Honoka shows up at the last minute, begging Kotori to come back and apologizing for her misdoings. As if without much second thought, Kotori just ditches her escorts and whatever other preparations that she, her mother, and the school she's set for to go rejoin µ's. I can understand having conflicted feelings, but now imagine her escorts being angry over this, her mother getting furious calls about her daughter making such a last-second decision, and the mess of expenses and bureaucracy that her family now has to deal with. Yet all Mrs. Minami has to show for it is...a smile for her daughter who's on stage, as if nothing bad is going to happen. I know it was effectively mandatory that µ's get back together, but this probably could've been done in a way that doesn't carry the message of "go ahead and throw away a few million of your family's yen in study-abroad expenses just to join your friends again.""
* ''Anime/LoveHina''
** Tropers/{{mariic}}: [[AmericansHateTingle Naru]] [[DesignatedHero Narusegawa]] has always been a character I hated because of her [[DoubleStandardsAbuseFemaleOnMale treatment of Keitaro]] [[DudeNotFunny being played for laughs]], but her portrayal in ''Love Hina: Spring Movie'' was the worst. Not only did she cross the MoralEventHorizon by [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing Keitaro's friends]] [[KarmaHoudini without getting punished or called out for her behavior,]] but [[EsotericHappyEnding it ends with both her and Keitaro going to Tokyo U together,]] [[FridgeHorror so the latter has to spend the rest of his life being tormented by an abusive spouse.]]
11th Mar '16 2:35:04 PM KhlavKalash
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* SamMax: I'm gonna tip a SacredCow here and mention an example from ''{{Manga/Yotsuba}}''. You see, there was a chapter in vol. 2 where the characters are at a swimming pool, right? Well, Jumbo makes insults over Fuka over her body asd such. The fact that no one attempted to defend her (and if I remember correctly, Yotsuba's dad even got in on it) didn't help. Maybe it's just me, but I honestly felt she had every right to react the way she did (namely, by throwing him into a swimming pool). Yet he calls her crazy rather than even attempting an apology. This chapter was what turned Jumbo into TheScrappy for me, since he came off as an unlikeable jerk, and it felt like it was trying to be funny. [[DudeNotFunny To say it failed would be putting it lightly]]. What I've read of later chapters hasn't exactly inspired confidence that Jumbo will be RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap anytime soon. Fortunately, later chapters ''are'' better, but this was a low point.

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* SamMax: I'm gonna tip a SacredCow here and mention an example from ''{{Manga/Yotsuba}}''. You see, there was a chapter in vol. 2 where the characters are at a swimming pool, right? Well, Jumbo makes insults over Fuka over her body asd and such. The fact that no one attempted to defend her (and if I remember correctly, Yotsuba's dad even got in on it) didn't help. Maybe it's just me, but I honestly felt she had every right to react the way she did (namely, by throwing him into a swimming pool). Yet he calls her crazy rather than even attempting an apology. This chapter was what turned Jumbo into TheScrappy for me, since he came off as an unlikeable jerk, and it felt like it was trying to be funny. [[DudeNotFunny To say it failed would be putting it lightly]]. What I've read of later chapters hasn't exactly inspired confidence that Jumbo will be RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap anytime soon. Fortunately, later chapters ''are'' better, but this was a low point.
11th Mar '16 2:33:23 PM KhlavKalash
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* toggaf: ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'': This is mostly in relation to the manga, although the anime has focused much of its incessant filler on it to; the sheer bias toward the working class. And by that I mean anyone with absolutely no money. It seems absolutely anybody with any semblence of income in Attack on Titan is portrayed as a prick, whilst the writer expects us to believe the poor characters are above reproach. The latest manga chapters are truly the dethroning moments and quite literally the worst writing I have ever seen in a manga, but for the sake of not including manga spoilers I will reference the anime; so when the rich people gave the poor people the weapons to try and take back their land because it was simply IMPOSSIBLE for them to keep sending aid to them, they are considered monsters and cruel... yet when the poor Recon Corps had the absolutely bright idea to release the Female Titan in the inner walls, killing thousands of innocent rich people just to prove a point... we see that as heroic? Get fucked.

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* toggaf: ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'': This is mostly in relation to the manga, although the anime has focused much of its incessant filler on it to; the sheer bias toward the working class. And by that I mean anyone with absolutely no money. It seems absolutely anybody with any semblence semblance of income in Attack on Titan is portrayed as a prick, whilst the writer expects us to believe the poor characters are above reproach. The latest manga chapters are truly the dethroning moments and quite literally the worst writing I have ever seen in a manga, but for the sake of not including manga spoilers I will reference the anime; so when the rich people gave the poor people the weapons to try and take back their land because it was simply IMPOSSIBLE for them to keep sending aid to them, they are considered monsters and cruel... yet when the poor Recon Corps had the absolutely bright idea to release the Female Titan in the inner walls, killing thousands of innocent rich people just to prove a point... we see that as heroic? Get fucked.
9th Mar '16 8:23:19 PM Falconwing
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** Falconwing The one from the Manga that pissed me off the most was [[spoiler: Kurome surviving her final battle with Akame]] Do I even need to list the reasons. Wave [[Doing the impossible by gaining use of two Teigu at once]] making him effectively a MarySue (In comparison to the actual main character Tatsumi who's [[spoiler: Incursio is literally subjecting him to a fate worse than death every time he uses it]]) The [[spoiler: destruction of Yatsufasa]] for no good reason... And basically everyone forgiving Kurome for killing and desecrating Chelsea's body. Or [[spoiler: Turning her own comrade Run into one of her puppets]] making her a total KarmaHoudini in a verse where virtually every other female villain (Except Shizuka so far) was killed off for their crimes. I mean if we are supposed to sympathize with and forgive Kurome, than why weren't we supposed to do the same for Aria, or Seryu, or Cosmina, or Dorethea? There should never have come a day where I would prefer the anime to the manga, but here we are!
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