History DethroningMoment / AnimeAndManga

3rd Jan '18 12:23:00 PM Ferigeras
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** Ferigeras: I have never been much of a fan of the series (with [[EnsembleDarkhorse Esdeath]] being the only reason I've been interested in it in the first place). I often considered the shameless CrapsackWorld and the constant reminders that AnyoneCanDie to be a major source of annoyance, but I liked most of the characters enough to still keep me somewhat engaged (hell, for as horrendously bad of a villain [[BigBad Honest]] was, I just found him to be SoBadItsGood). That being said, it pissed me off many times, almost making me hate the series entirely, but it was hard to pinpoint the very worst moment. That being said, I believe the absolute nadir (specifically in the Manga) would have to be [[spoiler: Bols' wife and daughter turning out to have been raped and murdered by Wild Hint (More specifically by Champ)... on his [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] grave]]. I don't know how to put it into words, but this moment finally convinced me how far Takahiro would go to shock his readers. [[SarcasmMode It's not like there's a clear limit]] to how much someone can push darkness and edginess down everyone's throats before DarknessInducedAudienceApathy finally kicks in. To make it clear just how disgusting and shameful this moment was, Bols has always been established as a very kind man whose actions were for the wellbeing of his familiy. Put two and two together and then such a despicable example of KickThemWhileTheyreDown becomes the straw that [[MinorInjuryOverreaction rips the camel's spine to shreds]]. "Dark and Edgy" be damned, this was the Manga's absolute worst moment for me, blatantly destroying everything a character fought for in such shameless fashion. And again, the otherwise not-that-well-regarded Anime adaptation gets another point for not having this moment in it... and then another one for not having [[TheScrappy Champ]] in it.

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** Ferigeras: I have never been much of a fan of the series (with [[EnsembleDarkhorse Esdeath]] being the only reason I've been interested in it in the first place). I often considered the shameless CrapsackWorld and the constant reminders that AnyoneCanDie to be a major source of annoyance, but I liked most of the characters enough to still keep me somewhat engaged (hell, for as horrendously bad of a villain [[BigBad Honest]] was, I just found him to be SoBadItsGood). That being said, it pissed me off many times, almost making me hate the series entirely, but it was hard to pinpoint the very worst moment. That being said, I believe the absolute nadir (specifically in the Manga) would have to be [[spoiler: Bols' wife and daughter turning out to have been raped and murdered by Wild Hint (More specifically by Champ)... on his [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] grave]]. I don't know how to put it into words, but this moment finally convinced me how far Takahiro would go to shock his readers. [[SarcasmMode It's not like there's a clear limit]] to how much someone can push darkness and edginess down everyone's throats before DarknessInducedAudienceApathy finally kicks in. To make it clear just how disgusting and shameful this moment was, Bols has always been established as a very kind man whose actions were for the wellbeing of his familiy. Put two and two together and then such a despicable example of KickThemWhileTheyreDown becomes the straw that [[MinorInjuryOverreaction rips the camel's spine to shreds]]. "Dark and Edgy" be damned, this was the Manga's absolute worst moment for me, blatantly destroying everything a character fought for in such shameless fashion. And again, the otherwise not-that-well-regarded Anime adaptation gets another point saved itself for not having this moment in it... and then another one for not having sparing us an animated [[TheScrappy Champ]] in it.Champ]].
3rd Jan '18 12:21:34 PM Ferigeras
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** Ferigeras: I have never been much of a fan of the series (with [[EnsembleDarkhorse Esdeath]] being the only reason I've been interested in it in the first place). I often considered the shameless CrapsackWorld and the constant reminders that AnyoneCanDie to be a major source of annoyance, but I liked most of the characters enough to still keep me somewhat engaged (hell, for as horrendously bad of a villain [[BigBad Honest]] was, I just found him to be SoBadItsGood). That being said, it pissed me off many times, almost making me quit the series entirely, but it was hard to pinpoint the very worst moment. I believe the absolute nadir would have to be [[spoiler: Champ, Syura and Enshin having Bols' wife and daughter raped and murdered... on his [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] grave]]. I don't know how to put it into words, but this moment finally convinced me how far Takahiro would go to shock his readers. [[SarcasmMode It's not like there's a clear limit]] to how much someone can push darkness down everyone's throats before DarknessInducedAudienceApathy finally kicks in. To make it clear just how disgusting and shameful this moment was, Bols was a very kind man whose actions always were for the wellbeing of his familiy. Put two and two together and then such a despicable example of KickThemWhileTheyreDown becomes the straw that [[MinorInjuryOverreaction rips the camel's spine to shreds]]. "Dark and Edgy" be damned, this was the series' absolute worst moment for me.

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** Ferigeras: I have never been much of a fan of the series (with [[EnsembleDarkhorse Esdeath]] being the only reason I've been interested in it in the first place). I often considered the shameless CrapsackWorld and the constant reminders that AnyoneCanDie to be a major source of annoyance, but I liked most of the characters enough to still keep me somewhat engaged (hell, for as horrendously bad of a villain [[BigBad Honest]] was, I just found him to be SoBadItsGood). That being said, it pissed me off many times, almost making me quit hate the series entirely, but it was hard to pinpoint the very worst moment. That being said, I believe the absolute nadir (specifically in the Manga) would have to be [[spoiler: Champ, Syura and Enshin having Bols' wife and daughter turning out to have been raped and murdered...murdered by Wild Hint (More specifically by Champ)... on his [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] grave]]. I don't know how to put it into words, but this moment finally convinced me how far Takahiro would go to shock his readers. [[SarcasmMode It's not like there's a clear limit]] to how much someone can push darkness and edginess down everyone's throats before DarknessInducedAudienceApathy finally kicks in. To make it clear just how disgusting and shameful this moment was, Bols was has always been established as a very kind man whose actions always were for the wellbeing of his familiy. Put two and two together and then such a despicable example of KickThemWhileTheyreDown becomes the straw that [[MinorInjuryOverreaction rips the camel's spine to shreds]]. "Dark and Edgy" be damned, this was the series' Manga's absolute worst moment for me.me, blatantly destroying everything a character fought for in such shameless fashion. And again, the otherwise not-that-well-regarded Anime adaptation gets another point for not having this moment in it... and then another one for not having [[TheScrappy Champ]] in it.
3rd Jan '18 12:10:00 PM Ferigeras
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** Ferigeras: I have never been much of a fan of the series (with [[BreakoutCharacter Esdeath]] being the only reason I've been interested in it in the first place). I often considered the shameless CrapsackWorld and the constant reminders AnyoneCanDie to be a major source of annoyance, but I liked most of the characters enough to still keep me somewhat engaged (hell, for as horrendously bad of a villain [[BigBad Honest]] was, I just found him to be SoBadItsGood). That being said, it pissed me off many times, almost making me quit the series entirely, but it was hard to pinpoint the very worst moment. I believe the absolute nadir would have to be [[spoiler: Champ, Syura and Enshin having Bols' wife and daughter raped and murdered... on his [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] grave]]. I don't know how to put it into words, but this moment finally convinced me how far Takahiro would go to shock his readers. [[SarcasmMode It's not like there's a clear limit]] to how much someone can push darkness down everyone's throats before DarknessInducedAudienceApathy finally kicks in. To make it clear just how disgusting and shameful this moment was, Bols was a very kind man whose actions always were for the wellbeing of his familiy. Put two and two together and then such a despicable example of KickThemWhileTheyreDown becomes the straw that [[MinorInjuryOverreaction rips the camel's spine to shreds]]. "Dark and Edgy" be damned, this was the series' absolute worst moment for me.

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** Ferigeras: I have never been much of a fan of the series (with [[BreakoutCharacter [[EnsembleDarkhorse Esdeath]] being the only reason I've been interested in it in the first place). I often considered the shameless CrapsackWorld and the constant reminders that AnyoneCanDie to be a major source of annoyance, but I liked most of the characters enough to still keep me somewhat engaged (hell, for as horrendously bad of a villain [[BigBad Honest]] was, I just found him to be SoBadItsGood). That being said, it pissed me off many times, almost making me quit the series entirely, but it was hard to pinpoint the very worst moment. I believe the absolute nadir would have to be [[spoiler: Champ, Syura and Enshin having Bols' wife and daughter raped and murdered... on his [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] grave]]. I don't know how to put it into words, but this moment finally convinced me how far Takahiro would go to shock his readers. [[SarcasmMode It's not like there's a clear limit]] to how much someone can push darkness down everyone's throats before DarknessInducedAudienceApathy finally kicks in. To make it clear just how disgusting and shameful this moment was, Bols was a very kind man whose actions always were for the wellbeing of his familiy. Put two and two together and then such a despicable example of KickThemWhileTheyreDown becomes the straw that [[MinorInjuryOverreaction rips the camel's spine to shreds]]. "Dark and Edgy" be damned, this was the series' absolute worst moment for me.
1st Jan '18 4:47:33 AM Retloclive
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** Ferigeras: I have never been much of a fan of series (with [[BreakoutCharacter Esdeath]] being the only reason I've been interested in it in the first place). I often considered the shameless CrapsackWorld and the constant reminders AnyoneCanDie to be a major source of annoyance, but I liked most of the characters enough to still keep me somewhat engaged (hell, for as horrendously bad of a villain [[BigBad Honest]] was, I just found him to be SoBadItsGood). That being said, it pissed me off many times, almost making me quit the series entirely, but it was hard to pinpoint the very worst moment. It could have been Esdeath [[spoiler: [[TimeStandsStill suddenly having the ability to stop time]] for no reason other than to make her seem even more powerful]] (as much as I love Esdeath, this was just a textbook example of AssPull), or even any of the moments my fellow tropers above listed. But I believe the absolute nadir would have to be [[spoiler: Champ, Syura and Enshin having Bols' wife and daughter raped and murdered... on his [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] grave]]. I don't know how to put it into words, but this moment finally convinced me how far Takahiro would go to shock his readers. [[SarcasmMode It's not like there's a clear limit]] to how much someone can push darkness down everyone's throats before DarknessInducedAudienceApathy finally kicks in. To make it clear just how disgusting and shameful this moment was, Bols was a very kind man whose actions always were for the wellbeing of his familiy. Put two and two together and then such a despicable example of KickThemWhileTheyreDown becomes the straw that [[MinorInjuryOverreaction rips the camel's spine to shreds]]. I could have put the very existence of [[SerialRapist Champ]] as a DethroningMomentOfSuck, but entire characters aren't allowed (not that he's an actual character anyway as opposed to some more shameless shock value Takahiro can add to his resume). "Dark and Edgy" be damned, this was the series' absolute worst moment for me.

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** Ferigeras: I have never been much of a fan of the series (with [[BreakoutCharacter Esdeath]] being the only reason I've been interested in it in the first place). I often considered the shameless CrapsackWorld and the constant reminders AnyoneCanDie to be a major source of annoyance, but I liked most of the characters enough to still keep me somewhat engaged (hell, for as horrendously bad of a villain [[BigBad Honest]] was, I just found him to be SoBadItsGood). That being said, it pissed me off many times, almost making me quit the series entirely, but it was hard to pinpoint the very worst moment. It could have been Esdeath [[spoiler: [[TimeStandsStill suddenly having the ability to stop time]] for no reason other than to make her seem even more powerful]] (as much as I love Esdeath, this was just a textbook example of AssPull), or even any of the moments my fellow tropers above listed. But I believe the absolute nadir would have to be [[spoiler: Champ, Syura and Enshin having Bols' wife and daughter raped and murdered... on his [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] grave]]. I don't know how to put it into words, but this moment finally convinced me how far Takahiro would go to shock his readers. [[SarcasmMode It's not like there's a clear limit]] to how much someone can push darkness down everyone's throats before DarknessInducedAudienceApathy finally kicks in. To make it clear just how disgusting and shameful this moment was, Bols was a very kind man whose actions always were for the wellbeing of his familiy. Put two and two together and then such a despicable example of KickThemWhileTheyreDown becomes the straw that [[MinorInjuryOverreaction rips the camel's spine to shreds]]. I could have put the very existence of [[SerialRapist Champ]] as a DethroningMomentOfSuck, but entire characters aren't allowed (not that he's an actual character anyway as opposed to some more shameless shock value Takahiro can add to his resume). "Dark and Edgy" be damned, this was the series' absolute worst moment for me.
31st Dec '17 3:53:25 AM Ferigeras
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** Falconwing: The one from the Manga that pissed me off the most was [[spoiler: Kurome surviving her final battle with Akame]] Do I even need to list the reasons. Wave [[Doing the impossible by gaining use of two Teigu at once]] making him effectively a MarySue (In comparison to the actual main character Tatsumi who's [[spoiler: Incursio is literally subjecting him to a fate worse than death every time he uses it]]) The [[spoiler: destruction of Yatsufasa]] for no good reason... And basically everyone forgiving Kurome for killing and desecrating Chelsea's body. Or [[spoiler: Turning her own comrade Run into one of her puppets]] making her a total KarmaHoudini in a verse where virtually every other female villain (Except Shizuka so far) was killed off for their crimes. I mean if we are supposed to sympathize with and forgive Kurome, than why weren't we supposed to do the same for Aria, or Seryu, or Cosmina, or Dorethea? There should never have come a day where I would prefer the anime to the manga, but here we are!

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** Falconwing: The one from the Manga that pissed me off the most was [[spoiler: Kurome surviving her final battle with Akame]] Akame]]. Do I even need to list the reasons. reasons? Wave [[Doing [[spoiler: doing the impossible by gaining use of two Teigu at once]] making him once]], effectively making him a MarySue (In comparison to the actual main character Tatsumi who's whose [[spoiler: Incursio is literally subjecting him to a fate worse than death every time he uses it]]) The it]]), the [[spoiler: destruction of Yatsufasa]] for no good reason... And and basically everyone forgiving Kurome for killing and desecrating Chelsea's body. Or [[spoiler: Turning turning her own comrade Run into one of her puppets]] puppets]], making her a total KarmaHoudini in a verse where virtually every other female villain (Except (except Shizuka so far) was killed off for their crimes. I mean if we are supposed to sympathize with and forgive Kurome, than then why weren't we supposed to do the same for Aria, or Seryu, or Cosmina, Cosmina or Dorethea? There should have never have come a day where I would prefer the anime to the manga, but here we are!are!
** Ferigeras: I have never been much of a fan of series (with [[BreakoutCharacter Esdeath]] being the only reason I've been interested in it in the first place). I often considered the shameless CrapsackWorld and the constant reminders AnyoneCanDie to be a major source of annoyance, but I liked most of the characters enough to still keep me somewhat engaged (hell, for as horrendously bad of a villain [[BigBad Honest]] was, I just found him to be SoBadItsGood). That being said, it pissed me off many times, almost making me quit the series entirely, but it was hard to pinpoint the very worst moment. It could have been Esdeath [[spoiler: [[TimeStandsStill suddenly having the ability to stop time]] for no reason other than to make her seem even more powerful]] (as much as I love Esdeath, this was just a textbook example of AssPull), or even any of the moments my fellow tropers above listed. But I believe the absolute nadir would have to be [[spoiler: Champ, Syura and Enshin having Bols' wife and daughter raped and murdered... on his [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] grave]]. I don't know how to put it into words, but this moment finally convinced me how far Takahiro would go to shock his readers. [[SarcasmMode It's not like there's a clear limit]] to how much someone can push darkness down everyone's throats before DarknessInducedAudienceApathy finally kicks in. To make it clear just how disgusting and shameful this moment was, Bols was a very kind man whose actions always were for the wellbeing of his familiy. Put two and two together and then such a despicable example of KickThemWhileTheyreDown becomes the straw that [[MinorInjuryOverreaction rips the camel's spine to shreds]]. I could have put the very existence of [[SerialRapist Champ]] as a DethroningMomentOfSuck, but entire characters aren't allowed (not that he's an actual character anyway as opposed to some more shameless shock value Takahiro can add to his resume). "Dark and Edgy" be damned, this was the series' absolute worst moment for me.
25th Dec '17 10:03:30 PM AL19
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* Tropers/AL19: ''[[Literature/OusamaGame Ousama Game]]'' had potential to be a good survival anime. Sadly, by episode three, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot all of said potential was flushed down the toilet]] by overuse of flashbacks (To which begs the question why they didn't cover the first manga before deciding to adapt its sequel), terrible pacing (Which could tie in to the flashbacks), [[IdiotBall idiotic characters]], and overall bad writing and direction. Speaking of episode three, my Dethroning Moment comes from this one. In the third episode, two characters - Kana and Naoya - are given an order from the King, who tells them that whoever receives the least amount of votes from their class will have a punishment. Naoya wins, and not wanting to die by the King (Despite the message saying "punished", not "die"), Kana decides to jump out the classroom window. It turns out that her punishment was going to be her confessing to someone she likes, but because she ended up killing herself, Naoya gets the punishment. His punishment says, "Have sex with someone," and he has this message not long before midnight. Panicking, Nobuaki insists on having his girlfriend, Chiemi, and Naoya have sex due to not having much time left (And if they don't obey, Naoya will die from self-immolation). He initially refuses, since he loves them as friends, but Nobuaki ends up punching him to the point where he goes unconscious. This is where the DMOS comes in. Chiemi has sex with an unconscious Naoya, and right afterwards, the King messages them, "Obedience Confirmed." That's right, Nobuaki caused his ''best friend'' to go out cold and then get raped by Chiemi, all because they didn't want him to die. That's not "saving" someone, that's traumatizing! What makes it worse is that Naoya never brings this up afterwards! I'm sure if this was more realistic, he'd think they betrayed him, and wouldn't even speak to them again! Yes, they're regretful about this (And they ''should'' be), but that will never come close for me to forgive them. This is also what cemented my hatred for Nobuaki, since he was the one who, again, made him go unconscious. So Nobuaki, fuck you.

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* Tropers/AL19: ''[[Literature/OusamaGame Ousama Game]]'' had potential to be a good survival anime. Sadly, by episode three, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot all of said potential was flushed down the toilet]] by overuse of flashbacks (To which begs the question why they didn't cover the first manga before deciding to adapt its sequel), terrible pacing (Which could tie in to the flashbacks), [[IdiotBall idiotic characters]], and overall bad writing and direction. Speaking of episode three, my Dethroning Moment comes from this one. In the third episode, two characters - Kana and Naoya - are given an order from the King, who tells them that whoever receives the least amount of votes from their class will have a punishment. Naoya wins, and not wanting to die by the King (Despite the message saying "punished", not "die"), Kana decides to jump out the classroom window. It turns out that her punishment was going to be her confessing to someone she likes, but because she ended up killing herself, Naoya gets the punishment. His punishment says, "Have sex with someone," and he has this message not long before midnight. Panicking, Nobuaki insists on having his girlfriend, Chiemi, and Naoya have sex due to not having much time left (And if they don't obey, Naoya will die from self-immolation). He initially refuses, since he loves them as friends, but Nobuaki ends up punching him to the point where he goes unconscious. This is where the DMOS comes in. Chiemi has sex with an unconscious Naoya, and right afterwards, the King messages them, "Obedience Confirmed." That's right, Nobuaki caused his ''best friend'' to go out cold and then get raped by Chiemi, all because they didn't want him to die. That's not "saving" someone, that's traumatizing! What makes it worse is that Naoya this is never brings this brought up again afterwards! I'm sure if this was more realistic, he'd Naoya would think they betrayed him, and wouldn't even speak to them again! Yes, they're regretful about this (And they ''should'' be), but that will never come close for me to forgive them. This is also what cemented my hatred for Nobuaki, since he was the one who, again, made him go unconscious. So Nobuaki, fuck you.
23rd Dec '17 12:00:09 PM ElvenQueen
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** Tropers/ElvenQueen: The moment that cemented my immense dislike for Kagome is in episode 109. So Kikyo has to be carried away from Mt. Hakurei's barrier so her soul collectors can tend to her, and Kagome suggests that Inuyasha be the one to do it. When he does what she says, Kagome proceeds to [[{{Wangst}} mope]] about her LoveTriangle woes, thinking to herself that she doesn't want to see Inuyasha with Kikyo. First of all, it was Kagome's idea for Inuyasha to get Kikyo to safety--if she didn't want that to happen, she should've agreed to have Miroku do it, which was the initial suggestion. And what really angers me about this scene is just how petty and selfish Kagome is. Kikyo is in a life-and-death situation, and all Kagome can do is [[ItsAllAboutMe throw herself a pity party]] when Inuyasha dares to care about the wellbeing of his first love. The fact that [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic the audience is clearly supposed to sympathize with Kagome]] and [[InformedWrongness think Inuyasha is in the wrong]] is just the smelly icing on the rotten cake.

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** Tropers/ElvenQueen: The moment that cemented my immense dislike for Kagome is in episode 109. So Kikyo has to be carried away from Mt. Hakurei's barrier so her soul collectors can tend to her, and Kagome suggests that Inuyasha be the one to do it. When he does what she says, Kagome proceeds to [[{{Wangst}} mope]] about her LoveTriangle woes, thinking to herself that she doesn't want to see Inuyasha with Kikyo.and Kikyo together. First of all, it was Kagome's idea for Inuyasha to get Kikyo to safety--if she didn't want that to happen, she should've agreed to have Miroku do it, which was the initial suggestion. And what really angers me about this scene is just how petty and selfish Kagome is. Kikyo is in a life-and-death situation, and all Kagome can do is [[ItsAllAboutMe throw herself a pity party]] when Inuyasha dares to care about the wellbeing of his first love. The fact that [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic the audience is clearly supposed to sympathize with Kagome]] and [[InformedWrongness think Inuyasha is in the wrong]] is just the smelly icing on the rotten cake.
23rd Dec '17 11:48:29 AM ElvenQueen
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** Tropers/ElvenQueen: The moment that cemented my immense dislike for Kagome is in episode 109. So Kikyo is injured and needs to be carried to safety, and Kagome suggests that Inuyasha be the one to do it. When he does what she says, Kagome proceeds to [[{{Wangst}} mope]] about her LoveTriangle woes, thinking to herself that she doesn't want to see Inuyasha with Kikyo. First of all, it was Kagome's idea for Inuyasha to get Kikyo to safety--if she didn't want that to happen, she should've agreed to have Miroku do it, which was the initial suggestion. And what really angers me about this scene is just how petty and selfish Kagome is. Kikyo is in a life-and-death situation, and all Kagome can do is [[ItsAllAboutMe throw herself a pity party]] when Inuyasha dares to care about the wellbeing of his first love. The fact that [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic the audience is clearly supposed to sympathize with Kagome]] and [[InformedWrongness think Inuyasha is in the wrong]] is just the smelly icing on the rotten cake.

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** Tropers/ElvenQueen: The moment that cemented my immense dislike for Kagome is in episode 109. So Kikyo is injured and needs has to be carried away from Mt. Hakurei's barrier so her soul collectors can tend to safety, her, and Kagome suggests that Inuyasha be the one to do it. When he does what she says, Kagome proceeds to [[{{Wangst}} mope]] about her LoveTriangle woes, thinking to herself that she doesn't want to see Inuyasha with Kikyo. First of all, it was Kagome's idea for Inuyasha to get Kikyo to safety--if she didn't want that to happen, she should've agreed to have Miroku do it, which was the initial suggestion. And what really angers me about this scene is just how petty and selfish Kagome is. Kikyo is in a life-and-death situation, and all Kagome can do is [[ItsAllAboutMe throw herself a pity party]] when Inuyasha dares to care about the wellbeing of his first love. The fact that [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic the audience is clearly supposed to sympathize with Kagome]] and [[InformedWrongness think Inuyasha is in the wrong]] is just the smelly icing on the rotten cake.
23rd Dec '17 11:31:33 AM ElvenQueen
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** Tropers/ElvenQueen: The moment that cemented my immense dislike for Kagome is in episode 109. So Kikyo is injured and needs to be carried to safety, and Kagome suggests that Inuyasha be the one to do it. When he does what she says, Kagome proceeds to [[{{Wangst}} mope]] about her LoveTriangle woes, thinking to herself that she doesn't want to see Inuyasha with Kikyo. First of all, it was Kagome's idea for Inuyasha to get Kikyo to safety--if she didn't want that to happen, she should've agreed to have Miroku do it, which was the initial suggestion. And what really angers me about this scene is just how petty and selfish Kagome is. Kikyo is in a life-and-death situation, and all Kagome can do is [[ItsAllAboutMe throw herself a pity party]] when Inuyasha dares to care about the wellbeing of his first love. The fact that [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic the audience is clearly supposed to sympathetize with Kagome]] and [[InformedWrongness think Inuyasha is in the wrong]] is just the smelly icing on the rotten cake.

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** Tropers/ElvenQueen: The moment that cemented my immense dislike for Kagome is in episode 109. So Kikyo is injured and needs to be carried to safety, and Kagome suggests that Inuyasha be the one to do it. When he does what she says, Kagome proceeds to [[{{Wangst}} mope]] about her LoveTriangle woes, thinking to herself that she doesn't want to see Inuyasha with Kikyo. First of all, it was Kagome's idea for Inuyasha to get Kikyo to safety--if she didn't want that to happen, she should've agreed to have Miroku do it, which was the initial suggestion. And what really angers me about this scene is just how petty and selfish Kagome is. Kikyo is in a life-and-death situation, and all Kagome can do is [[ItsAllAboutMe throw herself a pity party]] when Inuyasha dares to care about the wellbeing of his first love. The fact that [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic the audience is clearly supposed to sympathetize sympathize with Kagome]] and [[InformedWrongness think Inuyasha is in the wrong]] is just the smelly icing on the rotten cake.
23rd Dec '17 10:31:59 AM ElvenQueen
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** Tropers/ElvenQueen: The moment that cemented my immense dislike for Kagome is in episode 109. So Kikyo is injured and needs to be carried to safety, and Kagome suggests that Inuyasha be the one to do it. When he does what she says, Kagome proceeds to [[{{Wangst}} mope]] about her LoveTriangle woes, thinking to herself that she doesn't want to see Inuyasha with Kikyo. First of all, it was Kagome's idea for Inuyasha to get Kikyo to safety--if she didn't want that to happen, she should've agreed to have Miroku do it, which was the initial suggestion. And what really angers me about this scene is just how petty and selfish Kagome is. Kikyo is in a life-and-death situation, and all Kagome can do is [[ItsAllAboutMe throw herself a pity party]] when Inuyasha dares to care about the wellbeing of his first love. The fact that [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic the audience is clearly supposed to sympathetize with Kagome]] and [[InformedWrongness think Inuyasha is in the wrong]] is just the smelly icing on the rotten cake.
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