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16th Jun '17 9:18:01 PM IMAGINEZapper
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* IMAGINEZapper: I could easily place the entire GeckoEnding for the anime adaptation of ''Manga/AkameGaKill'' as my DMOS. Unlike most people it didn't ruin the show for me (TBH I like the anime to a certain degree) and I can't say no Wild Hunt or Syura's reduced role were much of losses, but I'd be lying to myself if I said I didn't have multiple problems with it. My main problem with the non-canon ending was that the writers thought it was a brilliant idea to wrap things up in only five episodes when the anime only covered half the manga. Because the anime writing staff had no idea how to coherently end the story or any character arc for that matter, we got five episodes of meaningless character deaths that were nothing more than shock value. Though the death that ended up being my DMOS for the anime was [[spoiler: Leone's death in the last episode.]] Even before I read the manga, I hated this scene and to this day find no reason to defend it. Leone is my favorite character in the series because despite all she's been through she tries her best to stay cheerful and hopeful for the future, which is why I root for her to live to the end. Her [[spoiler: death was just a huge disrespect to her character because not only did it occur after all the main villains were defeated, and the only reason (other than shock value) I could see the writers killing her off was simply because they didn't think she was important enough to have a good ending. This is literally a death that goes against all of the reasons why I like her character.]] The reason I chose that moment as my DMOS was that it just shows the writing staff for the anime tried way too hard to make the ending unpleasant and unsatisfying. I know being dark is Akame ga Kill's thing and all but its not totally nihilistic. Thankfully the ending was non-canon (and I enjoyed everything in the anime beforehand) and the manga looks like its on a better track.

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* IMAGINEZapper: I could easily place the entire GeckoEnding Changing my DMOS for the anime adaptation of ''Manga/AkameGaKill'' as my DMOS. Unlike most people it didn't ruin the show for me (TBH I like the anime to a certain degree) and I can't say no Wild Hunt or Syura's reduced role were much of losses, but I'd be lying to myself if I said I didn't have multiple problems with it. My main problem with the non-canon ending was that the writers thought it was a brilliant idea to wrap things up in only five episodes when the anime only covered half the manga. Because the anime writing staff had no idea how to coherently end the story or any character arc for that matter, we got five episodes of meaningless character deaths that were nothing more than shock value. Though the death that ended up being my DMOS for the anime was from [[spoiler: Leone's death in the last episode.]] Even before anime]]. I read the manga, I hated this scene still think its terrible, but after thinking long and to this day hard about it I personally find no reason to defend it. Leone is my favorite character in that the series because despite all she's been through she tries her best to stay cheerful and hopeful for the future, which is why I root for her to live to the end. Her way [[spoiler: Syura]] was defeated in the manga to be much worse. I've long abandoned the ''Akame ga Kill'' fandom but in spite of that I can still get some enjoyment out of the first half of the manga when it was focused on Night Raid vs. the Jaegers. Like many, I felt that the Wild Hunt arc was the beginning of the manga's decline since it threw away many of the potentially interesting plots from the first half but it was when [[spoiler: Lubbock anti-climatically killed Syura]] that I felt the manga had really gone off the deep end. While Syura is an utterly repulsive character, I felt he had the potential to be a strong main antagonist. Unlike the other members of Wild Hunt he is introduced in the middle of the first half and seeing as how he was the leader of Wild Hunt it was pretty clear that Takahiro was setting him up to be a major villain or even the true final boss. The fact that he was an enemy to both Night Raid and the Jaegers gave him an edge over the other antagonists which I thought would have made for a cool EnemyMine team up fight. Obviously, none of this happened and instead [[spoiler: he is killed off by Lubbock without a fight in the middle of the Wild Hunt arc nonetheless and long before the manga has yet to reach its climax.]] Even Ogre and Zank, who were mere [[VillainOfTheWeek Villains of the Week]] that existed just to demonstrate how fights work in ''Akame ga Kill'' ended up putting up more of a fight than Syura. Making things worse is that Syura ends up being a very bad case of TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter as his motivations are never explored and all he amounts to being is yet another cartoonishly evil arc villain. [[spoiler: His death was just a huge disrespect also has very little payoff as well, it doesn't move the Wild Hunt arc forward and even leads to her Lubbock's death wasting away a character because not only did that looked like he was moving towards an interesting character arc.]] Lastly, in spite of being a major character we never get to see his Teigu used in combat nor do we learn what its Hidden Ability is. Let it occur after all sink in that the main villains were defeated, mediocre anime adaptation actually gave him a better fight than the manga and the only reason (other than shock value) I could see the writers killing her off his fight was simply because they didn't think she was important enough to have a good ending. This is literally a death that goes against all of the reasons why I like her character.]] The reason I chose that moment as my DMOS was that it just shows the writing staff for the anime tried way too hard to make the ending unpleasant and unsatisfying. I know being dark is Akame ga Kill's thing and all but its not totally nihilistic. Thankfully the ending was non-canon (and I enjoyed everything included in the anime beforehand) is because his first appearance was adapted and the manga looks like its on a better track.White Fox didn't want to forget about him.
15th Jun '17 3:28:48 PM mrbits
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** Komatsuzaki - It really astonishes me that anyone over the age of 18 kept watching. His sexual abuse is presented as something funny or awesome. What does it say about our culture, both in Japan and in the West, that people saw this character and thought, "Yes, this is definitely the kind of main character I want to keep watching!" Anime in general seems to have a problem with this, but this one really took the cake.
15th Jun '17 2:56:53 PM ArgonianLorekeeper
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* Tropers/LordTNK: ''Manga/{{Akira}}'''s ending, for the same thing.

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* Tropers/LordTNK: ''Manga/{{Akira}}'''s ending, for the same thing.reason as that of ''Anime/Berserk1997''.
11th Jun '17 9:57:30 PM Komatsuzaki
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** Komatsuzaki - It really astonishes me that anyone over the age of 18 kept watching. His sexual abuse is presented as something funny or awesome. What does it say about our culture, both in Japan and in the West, that people saw this character and thought, "Yes, this is definitely the kind of main character I want to keep watching!" Anime in general seems to have a problem with this, but this one really took the cake.
11th Jun '17 9:50:33 PM Komatsuzaki
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** Komatsuzaki - The very first dialogue in the show is the MC {{infodump explaining to the audience three straight times that he's 14-years-old}}, and announcing how unhappy he is with his current state of affairs. It comes off as clunky exposition to the highest degree, like the writers were screaming, "Calling all 14-year-old boys! This is the character you're supposed to identify with!"

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** Komatsuzaki - The very first dialogue in the show is the MC {{infodump explaining to the audience three straight times that he's 14-years-old}}, 14-years-old, and announcing how unhappy he is with his current state of affairs. It comes off as clunky exposition to the highest degree, like the writers were screaming, "Calling all 14-year-old boys! This is the character you're supposed to identify with!"
11th Jun '17 9:48:58 PM Komatsuzaki
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** Komatsuzaki - The very first dialogue in the show is the MC {{infodump explaining to the audience three straight times that he's 14-years-old}}, and announcing how unhappy he is with his current state of affairs. It comes off as clunky exposition to the highest degree, like the writers were screaming, "Calling all 14-year-old boys! This is the character you're supposed to identify with!"
5th Jun '17 12:04:32 PM JonVonBass
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* DiscoGlacier: Episode 8 of ''Anime/GirlsUndPanzer'' titled "Against Pravda!", in which [[IdiotBall Oarai ignores Miho's carefully thought-out strategy]] [[LeeroyJenkins in favor of a last-minute idea to rush their opponent]], Pravda, [[BullyingADragon despite Pravda having more and stronger tanks than them]]. Their recklessness leads to them [[spoiler:following a decoy into Pravda's trap]], despite Oarai themselves having used this tactic before and thus should've known better. This is especially cringe-worthy considering that the fate of [[spoiler:Oarai Girls' Academy]] rested on this one battle, and that both the Student Council and Kawashima knew about this; why would they support such a risky tactic if it was going to [[spoiler:needlessly jeopardize their school]]? Despite this, the episode's not all bad: the Pravda girls are interesting characters, and their [[AwesomeMusic musical number]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=preEB840TXs is kickass]].

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* DiscoGlacier: Episode 8 of ''Anime/GirlsUndPanzer'' titled "Against Pravda!", in which [[IdiotBall Oarai ignores Miho's carefully thought-out strategy]] [[LeeroyJenkins in favor of a last-minute idea to rush their opponent]], Pravda, [[BullyingADragon despite Pravda having more and stronger tanks than them]]. Their recklessness leads to them [[spoiler:following a decoy into Pravda's trap]], despite Oarai themselves having used this tactic before and thus should've known better. This is especially cringe-worthy considering that the fate of [[spoiler:Oarai Girls' Academy]] rested on this one battle, and that both the Student Council and Kawashima knew about this; why would they support such a risky tactic if it was going to [[spoiler:needlessly jeopardize their school]]? Despite this, the episode's not all bad: the Pravda girls are interesting characters, and their [[AwesomeMusic musical number]] [[http://www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=preEB840TXs com/watch?v=ehhitnnB22k is kickass]].
5th Jun '17 9:22:05 AM MsCC93
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** MsCC93: One moment that infuriated me was in episode 61 "Huge Shock for Usagi! Mamoru Declares a Break Up" when Chibi-Usa [[PottyFailure wets the bed,]] and Usagi gets misblamed and gets punished for it, and Shingo makes fun of her for it. It came off as mean-spirited rather than funny. I'll be honest here. I loathe Shingo. I think he's an annoying and useless character and he does nothing good for the show but to annoy Usagi. Plus, the fact that viewers are supposed to agree with him annoying Usagi makes it more infuriating and makes me loathe his character even more. I know Usagi is supposed to be the ButtMonkey, but this moment took her ButtMonkey status to ridiculous lengths. Not cool.

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** MsCC93: One moment that infuriated me was in episode 61 "Huge Shock for Usagi! Mamoru Declares a Break Up" when Chibi-Usa [[PottyFailure wets the bed,]] and Usagi gets misblamed and gets punished for it, and Shingo makes fun of her for it. It came off as mean-spirited rather than funny. I'll be honest here. I loathe Shingo. I think he's an annoying and useless character and he does nothing good for the show but to annoy Usagi. Plus, the fact A question that viewers are supposed popped up in my head was this: how can parents expect a 14 year old girl to agree with him annoying Usagi makes it more infuriating and makes me loathe his character even more. wet the bed, intentionally or not? I know Usagi is supposed to be the ButtMonkey, but this moment took her ButtMonkey status to ridiculous lengths. Not cool.
4th Jun '17 2:07:06 AM ACW
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** Andariel: There is a character in this series that I hate above all else. No, it's not the BigBad All for One, not the PsychopathicManchild Shigaraki, not the CompleteMonster Overhaul, and not even the [[AbusiveParents Abusive Parent]] and NominalHero Endeavor (though I'd happily push him into a woodchipper). Oh no, the one I hate the most is [[TheBully Bakugou]] [[{{DesignatedHero}} Katsuki]]. Why? Oh, you don't have to look farther than the first episode/chapter where he tells Izuku to [[SuicideDare commit suicide]]. You don't say things like that to a child! You don't say things like that period! I don't care if that was the case of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness, that moment cemented my hatred of him forever and ever.

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** Andariel: There is a character in this series that I hate above all else. No, it's not the BigBad All for One, not the PsychopathicManchild Shigaraki, not the CompleteMonster Overhaul, and not even the [[AbusiveParents Abusive Parent]] and NominalHero Endeavor (though I'd happily push him into a woodchipper). Oh no, the one I hate the most is [[TheBully Bakugou]] [[{{DesignatedHero}} Katsuki]]. Why? Oh, you don't have to look farther than the first episode/chapter where he tells Izuku to [[SuicideDare commit suicide]]. You don't say things like that to a child! You don't say things like that period! I don't care if that was the case of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness, that moment cemented my hatred of him forever and ever.
2nd Jun '17 5:59:02 PM Gene0129
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* Gene0129: [[spoiler:Walter's betrayal]] in ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}''. Not only was this one of the biggest {{Asspull}}s in anime history, the logic given after was flimsy. This is the same guy who gladly [[spoiler:served Integra for most of his life, and was deeply loyal.]] There were no hints to him being [[spoiler: TheMole the entire time]] prior to this happening, completely derailing his character.

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* Gene0129: [[spoiler:Walter's betrayal]] in ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}''. Not only was this one of the biggest {{Asspull}}s in anime history, history due to the foreshadowing being too subtle for anyone to notice, the logic given after was flimsy. This is the same guy who gladly [[spoiler:served Integra for most of his life, and was deeply loyal.]] There were no little hints to him being [[spoiler: TheMole the entire time]] prior to this happening, completely derailing his character.
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