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11th Mar '16 2:35:04 PM KhlavKalash
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* SamMax: I'm gonna tip a SacredCow here and mention an example from ''{{Manga/Yotsuba}}''. You see, there was a chapter in vol. 2 where the characters are at a swimming pool, right? Well, Jumbo makes insults over Fuka over her body asd such. The fact that no one attempted to defend her (and if I remember correctly, Yotsuba's dad even got in on it) didn't help. Maybe it's just me, but I honestly felt she had every right to react the way she did (namely, by throwing him into a swimming pool). Yet he calls her crazy rather than even attempting an apology. This chapter was what turned Jumbo into TheScrappy for me, since he came off as an unlikeable jerk, and it felt like it was trying to be funny. [[DudeNotFunny To say it failed would be putting it lightly]]. What I've read of later chapters hasn't exactly inspired confidence that Jumbo will be RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap anytime soon. Fortunately, later chapters ''are'' better, but this was a low point.

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* SamMax: I'm gonna tip a SacredCow here and mention an example from ''{{Manga/Yotsuba}}''. You see, there was a chapter in vol. 2 where the characters are at a swimming pool, right? Well, Jumbo makes insults over Fuka over her body asd and such. The fact that no one attempted to defend her (and if I remember correctly, Yotsuba's dad even got in on it) didn't help. Maybe it's just me, but I honestly felt she had every right to react the way she did (namely, by throwing him into a swimming pool). Yet he calls her crazy rather than even attempting an apology. This chapter was what turned Jumbo into TheScrappy for me, since he came off as an unlikeable jerk, and it felt like it was trying to be funny. [[DudeNotFunny To say it failed would be putting it lightly]]. What I've read of later chapters hasn't exactly inspired confidence that Jumbo will be RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap anytime soon. Fortunately, later chapters ''are'' better, but this was a low point.
11th Mar '16 2:33:23 PM KhlavKalash
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* toggaf: ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'': This is mostly in relation to the manga, although the anime has focused much of its incessant filler on it to; the sheer bias toward the working class. And by that I mean anyone with absolutely no money. It seems absolutely anybody with any semblence of income in Attack on Titan is portrayed as a prick, whilst the writer expects us to believe the poor characters are above reproach. The latest manga chapters are truly the dethroning moments and quite literally the worst writing I have ever seen in a manga, but for the sake of not including manga spoilers I will reference the anime; so when the rich people gave the poor people the weapons to try and take back their land because it was simply IMPOSSIBLE for them to keep sending aid to them, they are considered monsters and cruel... yet when the poor Recon Corps had the absolutely bright idea to release the Female Titan in the inner walls, killing thousands of innocent rich people just to prove a point... we see that as heroic? Get fucked.

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* toggaf: ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'': This is mostly in relation to the manga, although the anime has focused much of its incessant filler on it to; the sheer bias toward the working class. And by that I mean anyone with absolutely no money. It seems absolutely anybody with any semblence semblance of income in Attack on Titan is portrayed as a prick, whilst the writer expects us to believe the poor characters are above reproach. The latest manga chapters are truly the dethroning moments and quite literally the worst writing I have ever seen in a manga, but for the sake of not including manga spoilers I will reference the anime; so when the rich people gave the poor people the weapons to try and take back their land because it was simply IMPOSSIBLE for them to keep sending aid to them, they are considered monsters and cruel... yet when the poor Recon Corps had the absolutely bright idea to release the Female Titan in the inner walls, killing thousands of innocent rich people just to prove a point... we see that as heroic? Get fucked.
9th Mar '16 8:23:19 PM Falconwing
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** Falconwing The one from the Manga that pissed me off the most was [[spoiler: Kurome surviving her final battle with Akame]] Do I even need to list the reasons. Wave [[Doing the impossible by gaining use of two Teigu at once]] making him effectively a MarySue (In comparison to the actual main character Tatsumi who's [[spoiler: Incursio is literally subjecting him to a fate worse than death every time he uses it]]) The [[spoiler: destruction of Yatsufasa]] for no good reason... And basically everyone forgiving Kurome for killing and desecrating Chelsea's body. Or [[spoiler: Turning her own comrade Run into one of her puppets]] making her a total KarmaHoudini in a verse where virtually every other female villain (Except Shizuka so far) was killed off for their crimes. I mean if we are supposed to sympathize with and forgive Kurome, than why weren't we supposed to do the same for Aria, or Seryu, or Cosmina, or Dorethea? There should never have come a day where I would prefer the anime to the manga, but here we are!
6th Mar '16 1:33:32 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* Tropers/{{chucknormie}}: ''Anime/LoveLive'' is one of my favorite {{Guilty Pleasure}}s, but I won't even attempt to defend episode 7 of season 2. Long story short, Honoka and Hanayo find out they've gained a bit more weight than they'd like to over the break. It would be quite a good episode if they decided to get back into shape on their own, but what happens is [[DrillSergeantNasty Umi]] decides to put the two into a completely draconian {{Training from Hell}}-filled diet plan, which goes from strict into outright [[KickTheDog dog-kicking]] because Umi has no authority to do that. At one point, she even mentions that she's been asking Honoka's little sister about what Honoka eats at home, ''which is spying''. It's no surprise that both girls would want to cheat on the plan, but the worst part comes after Umi finds out about it: she proceeds to [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech dress down Honoka for more than a minute in front of everyone]], and not a single other character attempts to call Umi on it (the most it gets is a LampshadeHanging from Maki) or even come to Honoka's defense at all! The worst part about this episode? [[HollywoodPudgy Honoka didn't look a single bit heavier than usual during it.]] Instead of delivering a nice [[AnAesop aesop]], what this episode did do was to establish Umi as the resident KarmaHoudini (if the penultimate episode of s1 didn't already) and make the viewer wonder how she managed to remain Honoka's friend for so long, unless Honoka's [[ExtremeDoormat about thirty-three vertebrae short of a spine]].

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Tropers/{{chucknormie}}: ''Anime/LoveLive'' ''Love Live!'' is one of my favorite {{Guilty Pleasure}}s, but I won't even attempt to defend episode 7 of season 2. Long story short, Honoka and Hanayo find out they've gained a bit more weight than they'd like to over the break. It would be quite a good episode if they decided to get back into shape on their own, but what happens is [[DrillSergeantNasty Umi]] decides to put the two into a completely draconian {{Training from Hell}}-filled diet plan, which goes from strict into outright [[KickTheDog dog-kicking]] because Umi has no authority to do that. At one point, she even mentions that she's been asking Honoka's little sister about what Honoka eats at home, ''which is spying''. It's no surprise that both girls would want to cheat on the plan, but the worst part comes after Umi finds out about it: she proceeds to [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech dress down Honoka for more than a minute in front of everyone]], and not a single other character attempts to call Umi on it (the most it gets is a LampshadeHanging from Maki) or even come to Honoka's defense at all! The worst part about this episode? [[HollywoodPudgy Honoka didn't look a single bit heavier than usual during it.]] Instead of delivering a nice [[AnAesop aesop]], what this episode did do was to establish Umi as the resident KarmaHoudini (if the penultimate episode of s1 didn't already) and make the viewer wonder how she managed to remain Honoka's friend for so long, unless Honoka's [[ExtremeDoormat about thirty-three vertebrae short of a spine]].spine]].
** @/LucaEarlgrey: I just finished Season 1, having seen the finale, and while it's great that µ's is all back together, one part really nags at me: Kotori, having been 99% set on her career as a fashion designer, is at the airport with her escorts, getting ready to pursue her new life. Honoka shows up at the last minute, begging Kotori to come back and apologizing for her misdoings. As if without much second thought, Kotori just ditches her escorts and whatever other preparations that she, her mother, and the school she's set for to go rejoin µ's. I can understand having conflicted feelings, but now imagine her escorts being angry over this, her mother getting furious calls about her daughter making such a last-second decision, and the mess of expenses and bureaucracy that her family now has to deal with. Yet all Mrs. Minami has to show for it is...a smile for her daughter who's on stage, as if nothing bad is going to happen. I know it was effectively mandatory that µ's get back together, but this probably could've been done in a way that doesn't carry the message of "go ahead and throw away a few million of your family's yen in study-abroad expenses just to join your friends again."
5th Mar '16 8:35:16 AM PokeNirvash
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** Tropers/{{PokeNirvash}}: If there's any reason to reasonably dislike [[spoiler: Leone's death]], it's that [[spoiler: the Minister shot her with a flintlock pistol that fired more than one shot at a time]]. {{CriticalResearchFailure}}, anyone?

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** Tropers/{{PokeNirvash}}: If there's any reason to reasonably dislike [[spoiler: Leone's death]], it's that [[spoiler: the Minister shot her with a flintlock pistol that fired more than one shot at a time]]. {{CriticalResearchFailure}}, {{Critical Research Failure}}, anyone?
5th Mar '16 8:35:00 AM PokeNirvash
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** Tropers/{{PokeNirvash}}: If there's any reason to reasonably dislike [[spoiler: Leone's death]], it's that [[spoiler: the Minister shot her with a flintlock pistol that fired more than one shot at a time]]. [[CriticalResearchFailure]], anyone?

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** Tropers/{{PokeNirvash}}: If there's any reason to reasonably dislike [[spoiler: Leone's death]], it's that [[spoiler: the Minister shot her with a flintlock pistol that fired more than one shot at a time]]. [[CriticalResearchFailure]], {{CriticalResearchFailure}}, anyone?
5th Mar '16 8:34:40 AM PokeNirvash
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**Tropers/{{PokeNirvash}}: If there's any reason to reasonably dislike [[spoiler: Leone's death]], it's that [[spoiler: the Minister shot her with a flintlock pistol that fired more than one shot at a time]]. [[CriticalResearchFailure]], anyone?
3rd Feb '16 11:57:39 AM chucknormie
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** Tropers/{{chucknormie}}: The ending of ''Disappearance'' did it for me. Here there was the wonderful climax, with [[spoiler:Kyon returning the real world to its place after he realized he liked having Haruhi's craziness in her life]] and the speech where [[spoiler:Yuki told him she would be deleted for trying to change the course of the universe in the most heartstring-tuggingly stoic way possible]], and what is Kyon's reaction? He [[spoiler:blackmails the Data Overmind into keeping Yuki alive with the control he discovered he had over Haruhi]]. The problem with this is that the [[spoiler:Data Overmind]] wasn't established as an evil entity, the orders it gave Yuki (observe) were very benign, and [[spoiler:the Endless Eight]] doesn't justify [[spoiler:Yuki nearly rewriting the freaking universe]]. It's a blatant case of ProtagonistCenteredMorality that nearly ruined one of the greatest anime movies I've ever seen.



** Tropers/{{chucknormie}}: While I think this series is one of the funniest slapstick comedies I've seen in a while, one thing ruined it for me: the DoubleStandard. I am, of course, speaking about the KarmaHoudini girls being allowed to get away with anything short of outright murder, while male antagonists such as Nemoto and the Tokonatsu duo can seemingly cross the MoralEventHorizon by breathing and speaking. To cite a specific example, in season 1 Nemoto, leading class B in a war against class F, finds out about a love letter [[TheAce Himeji]] was about to send and blackmails her in order to keep her out of the war. Maybe a little underhanded, sure, but it's perfectly legal by the rules of the game and he only does it in order to win the battle. Not only do the male protagonists declare it unforgiveable, but in every one of Nemoto's subsequent appearances he's been going through a HumiliationConga that's almost bordering on DisproportionateRetribution by now. In contrast, in season 2 [[PsychoLesbian Miharu]] does the exact same thing to the male protagonists, except it's outside of a battle and she also set up peeping cameras in the girls' bathrooms and blamed it on the boys, indirectly causing them to be tortured by every female student in the school. The worst part is that she's doing all this [[GreenEyedMonster simply out of jealousy]] of Akihisa getting close to her crush Minami. What does she get for these actions? A TheReasonYouSuckSpeech? A HumiliationConga? Her expulsion? None of the above; [[KarmaHoudini she gets absolutely no punishment for any of her actions]] and even gets to beat up Akihisa on the way out to "cool her anger". I'm sure I'm not the only one who considered dropping the show after that moment.



* IMAGINEZapper: I could easily place the entire GeckoEnding for the anime adaptation of ''Manga/AkameGaKill'' as my DMOS. Unlike most people it didn't ruin the show for me (TBH I like the anime to a certain degree) and I can't say no Wild Hunt or Syura's reduced role were much of losses, but I'd be lying to myself if I said I didn't have multiple problems with it. My main problem with the non-canon ending was that the writers thought it was a brilliant idea to wrap things up in only five episodes when the anime only covered half the manga. Because the anime writing staff had no idea how to coherently end the story or any character arc for that matter, we got five episodes of meaningless character deaths that were nothing more than shock value. Though the death that ended up being my DMOS for the anime was [[spoiler: Leone's death in the last episode.]] Even before I read the manga, I hated this scene and to this day find no reason to defend it. Leone is my favorite character in the series because despite all she's been through she tries her best to stay cheerful and hopeful for the future, which is why I root for her to live to the end. Her [[spoiler: death was just a huge disrespect to her character because not only did it occur after all the main villains were defeated, and the only reason (other than shock value) I could see the writers killing her off was simply because they didn't think she was important enough to have a good ending. This is literally a death that goes against all of the reasons why I like her character.]] The reason I chose that moment as my DMOS was that it just shows the writing staff for the anime tried way too hard to make the ending unpleasant and unsatisfying. I know being dark is Akame ga Kill's thing and all but its not totally nihilistic. Thankfully the ending was non-canon (and I enjoyed everything in the anime beforehand) and the manga looks like its on a better track.

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* IMAGINEZapper: I could easily place the entire GeckoEnding for the anime adaptation of ''Manga/AkameGaKill'' as my DMOS. Unlike most people it didn't ruin the show for me (TBH I like the anime to a certain degree) and I can't say no Wild Hunt or Syura's reduced role were much of losses, but I'd be lying to myself if I said I didn't have multiple problems with it. My main problem with the non-canon ending was that the writers thought it was a brilliant idea to wrap things up in only five episodes when the anime only covered half the manga. Because the anime writing staff had no idea how to coherently end the story or any character arc for that matter, we got five episodes of meaningless character deaths that were nothing more than shock value. Though the death that ended up being my DMOS for the anime was [[spoiler: Leone's death in the last episode.]] Even before I read the manga, I hated this scene and to this day find no reason to defend it. Leone is my favorite character in the series because despite all she's been through she tries her best to stay cheerful and hopeful for the future, which is why I root for her to live to the end. Her [[spoiler: death was just a huge disrespect to her character because not only did it occur after all the main villains were defeated, and the only reason (other than shock value) I could see the writers killing her off was simply because they didn't think she was important enough to have a good ending. This is literally a death that goes against all of the reasons why I like her character.]] The reason I chose that moment as my DMOS was that it just shows the writing staff for the anime tried way too hard to make the ending unpleasant and unsatisfying. I know being dark is Akame ga Kill's thing and all but its not totally nihilistic. Thankfully the ending was non-canon (and I enjoyed everything in the anime beforehand) and the manga looks like its on a better track.track.
* Tropers/{{chucknormie}}: ''Anime/LoveLive'' is one of my favorite {{Guilty Pleasure}}s, but I won't even attempt to defend episode 7 of season 2. Long story short, Honoka and Hanayo find out they've gained a bit more weight than they'd like to over the break. It would be quite a good episode if they decided to get back into shape on their own, but what happens is [[DrillSergeantNasty Umi]] decides to put the two into a completely draconian {{Training from Hell}}-filled diet plan, which goes from strict into outright [[KickTheDog dog-kicking]] because Umi has no authority to do that. At one point, she even mentions that she's been asking Honoka's little sister about what Honoka eats at home, ''which is spying''. It's no surprise that both girls would want to cheat on the plan, but the worst part comes after Umi finds out about it: she proceeds to [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech dress down Honoka for more than a minute in front of everyone]], and not a single other character attempts to call Umi on it (the most it gets is a LampshadeHanging from Maki) or even come to Honoka's defense at all! The worst part about this episode? [[HollywoodPudgy Honoka didn't look a single bit heavier than usual during it.]] Instead of delivering a nice [[AnAesop aesop]], what this episode did do was to establish Umi as the resident KarmaHoudini (if the penultimate episode of s1 didn't already) and make the viewer wonder how she managed to remain Honoka's friend for so long, unless Honoka's [[ExtremeDoormat about thirty-three vertebrae short of a spine]].
29th Jan '16 8:50:36 PM IMAGINEZapper
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* IMAGINEZapper: I could easily place the entire GeckoEnding for the anime adaptation of ''Manga/AkamegaKill'' as my DMOS. Unlike most people it didn't ruin the show for me (TBH I like the anime to a certain degree) and I can't say no Wild Hunt or Syura's reduced role were much of losses, but I'd be lying to myself if I said I didn't have multiple problems with it. My main problem with the non-canon ending was that the writers thought it was a brilliant idea to wrap things up in only five episodes when the anime only covered half the manga. Because the anime writing staff had no idea how to coherently end the story or any character arc for that matter, we got five episodes of meaningless character deaths that were nothing more than shock value. Though the death that ended up being my DMOS for the anime was [[spoiler: Leone's death in the last episode.]] Even before I read the manga, I hated this scene and to this day find no reason to defend it. Leone is my favorite character in the series because despite all she's been through she tries her best to stay cheerful and hopeful for the future, which is why I root for her to live to the end. Her [[spoiler: death was just a huge disrespect to her character because not only did it occur after all the main villains were defeated, and the only reason (other than shock value) I could see the writers killing her off was simply because they didn't think she was important enough to have a good ending. This is literally a death that goes against all of the reasons why I like her character.]] The reason I chose that moment as my DMOS was that it just shows the writing staff for the anime tried way too hard to make the ending unpleasant and unsatisfying. I know being dark is Akame ga Kill's thing and all but its not totally nihilistic. Thankfully the ending was non-canon (and I enjoyed everything in the anime beforehand) and the manga looks like its on a better track.

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* IMAGINEZapper: I could easily place the entire GeckoEnding for the anime adaptation of ''Manga/AkamegaKill'' ''Manga/AkameGaKill'' as my DMOS. Unlike most people it didn't ruin the show for me (TBH I like the anime to a certain degree) and I can't say no Wild Hunt or Syura's reduced role were much of losses, but I'd be lying to myself if I said I didn't have multiple problems with it. My main problem with the non-canon ending was that the writers thought it was a brilliant idea to wrap things up in only five episodes when the anime only covered half the manga. Because the anime writing staff had no idea how to coherently end the story or any character arc for that matter, we got five episodes of meaningless character deaths that were nothing more than shock value. Though the death that ended up being my DMOS for the anime was [[spoiler: Leone's death in the last episode.]] Even before I read the manga, I hated this scene and to this day find no reason to defend it. Leone is my favorite character in the series because despite all she's been through she tries her best to stay cheerful and hopeful for the future, which is why I root for her to live to the end. Her [[spoiler: death was just a huge disrespect to her character because not only did it occur after all the main villains were defeated, and the only reason (other than shock value) I could see the writers killing her off was simply because they didn't think she was important enough to have a good ending. This is literally a death that goes against all of the reasons why I like her character.]] The reason I chose that moment as my DMOS was that it just shows the writing staff for the anime tried way too hard to make the ending unpleasant and unsatisfying. I know being dark is Akame ga Kill's thing and all but its not totally nihilistic. Thankfully the ending was non-canon (and I enjoyed everything in the anime beforehand) and the manga looks like its on a better track.
29th Jan '16 8:50:03 PM IMAGINEZapper
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* IMAGINEZapper: I could easily place the entire GeckoEnding for the anime adaptation of ''Manga/AkamegaKill'' as my DMOS. Unlike most people it didn't ruin the show for me (TBH I like the anime to a certain degree) and I can't say no Wild Hunt or Syura's reduced role were much of losses, but I'd be lying to myself if I said I didn't have multiple problems with it. My main problem with the non-canon ending was that the writers thought it was a brilliant idea to wrap things up in only five episodes when the anime only covered half the manga. Because the anime writing staff had no idea how to coherently end the story or any character arc for that matter, we got five episodes of meaningless character deaths that were nothing more than shock value. Though the death that ended up being my DMOS for the anime was [[spoiler: Leone's death in the last episode.]] Even before I read the manga, I hated this scene and to this day find no reason to defend it. Leone is my favorite character in the series because despite all she's been through she tries her best to stay cheerful and hopeful for the future, which is why I root for her to live to the end. [[Spoiler: Her death was just a huge disrespect to her character because not only did it occur after all the main villains were defeated, and the only reason (other than shock value) I could see the writers killing her off was simply because they didn't think she was important enough to have a good ending. This is literally a death that goes against all of the reasons why I like her character.]] The reason I chose that moment as my DMOS was that it just shows the writing staff for the anime tried way too hard to make the ending unpleasant and unsatisfying. I know being dark is Akame ga Kill's thing and all but its not totally nihilistic. Thankfully the ending was non-canon (and I enjoyed everything in the anime beforehand) and the manga looks like its on a better track.

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* IMAGINEZapper: I could easily place the entire GeckoEnding for the anime adaptation of ''Manga/AkamegaKill'' as my DMOS. Unlike most people it didn't ruin the show for me (TBH I like the anime to a certain degree) and I can't say no Wild Hunt or Syura's reduced role were much of losses, but I'd be lying to myself if I said I didn't have multiple problems with it. My main problem with the non-canon ending was that the writers thought it was a brilliant idea to wrap things up in only five episodes when the anime only covered half the manga. Because the anime writing staff had no idea how to coherently end the story or any character arc for that matter, we got five episodes of meaningless character deaths that were nothing more than shock value. Though the death that ended up being my DMOS for the anime was [[spoiler: Leone's death in the last episode.]] Even before I read the manga, I hated this scene and to this day find no reason to defend it. Leone is my favorite character in the series because despite all she's been through she tries her best to stay cheerful and hopeful for the future, which is why I root for her to live to the end. [[Spoiler: Her [[spoiler: death was just a huge disrespect to her character because not only did it occur after all the main villains were defeated, and the only reason (other than shock value) I could see the writers killing her off was simply because they didn't think she was important enough to have a good ending. This is literally a death that goes against all of the reasons why I like her character.]] The reason I chose that moment as my DMOS was that it just shows the writing staff for the anime tried way too hard to make the ending unpleasant and unsatisfying. I know being dark is Akame ga Kill's thing and all but its not totally nihilistic. Thankfully the ending was non-canon (and I enjoyed everything in the anime beforehand) and the manga looks like its on a better track.
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