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22nd Feb '17 4:26:58 PM Supreme-X15
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** {{Supreme-X15}}: My moment comes from midway into the second season of Baka and Test, as everybody goes to Study Camp. Akihisa and Yuuji are being blackmailed by a girl with a burn mark on her butt, and they need to to find out who it is. What follows is, for lack of a better phrase, seer stupidity. First, nearly every girl, including Mizuki and Minami accuse Akihisa, Yuuji, and Kouta, minus Hideyoshi, of installing mini cams in the girls changing (which admittedly Kouta did, but only to read a message Shouko was sending to the blackmailer, and kept the rest of the image blurry) and proceed to punish them. After that, they grab an {{idiot ball}} and rush the changings to get at the mini cam, only to be foiled by the teachers. This plan repeats itself for the next two episodes, and escalates to the point of the four gathering an army of like-minded idiots like them, which leads to fighting the girls, as well. Sure, it finally ends with Akihisa beating Iron Man, and revealing [[spoiler:Miharu as the culprit]], but it also ends with all of the second year boys being suspended for peeking on the [[FanDisservice principle]]. This entire arc was nothing but an excuse to make the girls even more unlikable, and the guys into brainless morons. This could have been solved quicker had they just asked Aiko, who was implied to know what's going and if she knew who the culprit was, or at least get help from her, or Mizuki and Minami, since the three of them would've had better luck finding the culprit than any of them. But, nope. The boys choose to be idiots. While it did have some good moments, the Study Camp Arc was a god awful mess and painful to sit through, leaving you wondring when it will end. Not to mention, it leads to a conflict with Minami and [[spoiler:Miharu]], which adds a lot of unnecessary drama for a comedy anime.

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** {{Supreme-X15}}: My moment comes from midway into the second season of Baka and Test, as everybody goes to Study Camp. Akihisa and Yuuji are being blackmailed by a girl with a burn mark on her butt, and they need to to find out who it is. What follows is, for lack of a better phrase, seer stupidity. First, nearly every girl, including Mizuki and Minami accuse Akihisa, Yuuji, and Kouta, minus Hideyoshi, of installing mini cams in the girls changing (which admittedly Kouta did, but only to read a message Shouko was sending to the blackmailer, and kept the rest of the image blurry) and proceed to punish them. After that, they grab an {{idiot ball}} and rush the changings changing rooms to get at the mini cam, cam hidden there, only to be foiled by the teachers. This plan repeats itself for the next two episodes, and escalates to the point of the four gathering an army of like-minded idiots like them, idiots, which leads to fighting the an army girls, as well. Sure, it finally ends with Akihisa beating Iron Man, and revealing [[spoiler:Miharu as the culprit]], but it also ends with all of the second year boys being suspended for peeking on the [[FanDisservice principle]]. This entire arc was nothing but an excuse to make the girls even more unlikable, and the guys into brainless morons. This could have been solved quicker had they just asked Aiko, who was implied to know what's what was going and if she knew who the culprit was, or at least get help from her, or Mizuki and Minami, since the three of them would've had better luck finding the culprit than any of them. But, nope. The boys choose to be litural idiots. While it did have some good moments, the Study Camp Arc was a god awful mess and painful to sit through, leaving you wondring wondering when it will end. Not to mention, it leads to a conflict with Minami and [[spoiler:Miharu]], which adds a lot of unnecessary drama for a comedy anime.
10th Feb '17 7:36:09 PM chucknormie
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*** Tropers/{{chucknormie}}: I would agree, and while I think the show itself is decent to absolutely hilarious, this moment nearly made me RageQuit the series as a whole. What truly makes this a DMOS is the context. Remember that in the first season Class B's Kyoji Nemoto blackmailed Mizuki...just to take her out of the match between them so his class can win. Given that this tactic is ''entirely legal'' and the class wars are SeriousBusiness, I would say it's a pretty justified case of a class rep trying to do his job. Apparently the author doesn't think so, though, as the protagonists treat it as [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotHeinous seemingly the worst thing it was possible for him to ever do]] ([[SarcasmMode doing whatever you can to win so you and your friends won't be forced to study in the shittiest class in the school and be its laughingstock? What a jerk, right?!]]), but in every subsequent appearance he makes, [[HumiliationConga something bad happens to him]], and it's implied we the audience are supposed to laugh because [[DisproportionateRetribution he deserved it or something like that]]. Now, compare to what happens when [[spoiler:Miharu is found out as the culprit]]. Does she get ''any'' punishment? [[spoiler:[[KarmaHoudini Nope]]]]! In fact, she even [[spoiler:gives Akihisa a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech, then basically disappears before showing up in the next arc with apparently no one caring about what she did anymore]]. Just the sheer audacity of her acting like what she did [[InsaneTrollLogic was somehow Akihisa's fault]] was nearly enough to make me throw my $250 computer monitor straight out the window. Don't get me wrong, the series is still hilarious, but it has one of the worst {{Double Standard}}s I've ever seen in media itself. Seriously, when anything your [[DesignatedVillain so-called "villains"]] (the delinquent couple, Nemoto, the Tokonatsu duo...) do is seen as the worst thing in human history, but an absolute psycho like Shouko and a walking ConflictBall like Miharu are just laughed off as "oh, that's who she is"...seriously, [[PunctuatedForEmphasis Fuck. This. Anime.]]
5th Jan '17 2:50:50 PM megachao24
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* megachao24: While ''[[VideoGame/AikatsuStars Aikatsu Stars!]]'' [[ContestedSequel has been a]] [[LoveItOrHateIt controversial series]] from the onset, Episode 21 is an episode I felt it hit a low that's indefensible. Basically, the episode is about the main character Yume having won the chance of releasing her very first album from a contest held from the previous episode. However, Yume also has a [[DangerousForbiddenTechnique special ability to raise her capabilities to a much higher level]] whenever she's in a pinch and has a drawback of affecting her voice after using it. Four Star's headmaster, Hikaru Moroboshi, is concerned about this, but rather than talk to her about it straight up, he instead [[ExecutiveMeddling sabotages her album release by assigning the record company to release and produce an album for his top idol on short notice and release it on the same day as Yume's]]. While Yume has become [[BaseBreakingCharacter quite controversial]] after a series of events by that point, she definitely did not deserve to have such a [[KickTheDog crushing blow]] so early on in her career.

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* megachao24: While ''[[VideoGame/AikatsuStars Aikatsu Stars!]]'' [[ContestedSequel has been a]] [[LoveItOrHateIt controversial series]] from the onset, Episode 21 is an episode I felt it hit a low point that's indefensible. Basically, the episode is about the main character Yume having won the chance of releasing her very first album from a contest held from the previous episode. However, Yume also has a [[DangerousForbiddenTechnique special ability to raise her capabilities to a much higher level]] whenever she's in a pinch and has a drawback of affecting her voice after using it. Four Star's headmaster, Hikaru Moroboshi, is concerned about this, but rather than talk to her about it straight up, he instead [[ExecutiveMeddling sabotages her album release by assigning the record company to release and produce an album for his top idol on short notice and release it on the same day as Yume's]]. While Yume has become [[BaseBreakingCharacter quite controversial]] after a series of events by that point, she definitely did not deserve to have such a [[KickTheDog crushing blow]] so early on in her career.
5th Jan '17 2:50:07 PM megachao24
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* Animeking1108: ''LightNovel/{{Durarara}}'' is a great series, but the episode going into Izumii and Aoba's backstory rubbed me the wrong way. We get a flashback where after Izumii's room was on fire, we see his father yelling at him and then breaking his nose. We then learn that Aoba set it up just to get back at Izumii [[DisproportionateRetribution for hitting him]]. Apparently, the Light Novel showed Izumii's abuse in more detail, but in the anime, it was only mentioned. Keep in mind, at this point, Izumii's worst crime was being a BigBrotherBully, which [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotHeinous is just jerkass behavior at worst and not uncommon in society]]. This was before he [[spoiler: broke Saki's legs]] and [[spoiler: threatened to rape Earthworm]], but were still supposed to take Aoba's side because Izumii was a dick to him. Hell, if anything, [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Aoba subjecting Izumii to child abuse is probably]] [[StartOfDarkness why he turned into such a violent sociopath in the first place]].

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* Animeking1108: ''LightNovel/{{Durarara}}'' is a great series, but the episode going into Izumii and Aoba's backstory rubbed me the wrong way. We get a flashback where after Izumii's room was on fire, we see his father yelling at him and then breaking his nose. We then learn that Aoba set it up just to get back at Izumii [[DisproportionateRetribution for hitting him]]. Apparently, the Light Novel showed Izumii's abuse in more detail, but in the anime, it was only mentioned. Keep in mind, at this point, Izumii's worst crime was being a BigBrotherBully, which [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotHeinous is just jerkass behavior at worst and not uncommon in society]]. This was before he [[spoiler: broke Saki's legs]] and [[spoiler: threatened to rape Earthworm]], but were still supposed to take Aoba's side because Izumii was a dick to him. Hell, if anything, [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Aoba subjecting Izumii to child abuse is probably]] [[StartOfDarkness why he turned into such a violent sociopath in the first place]].place]].
* megachao24: While ''[[VideoGame/AikatsuStars Aikatsu Stars!]]'' [[ContestedSequel has been a]] [[LoveItOrHateIt controversial series]] from the onset, Episode 21 is an episode I felt it hit a low that's indefensible. Basically, the episode is about the main character Yume having won the chance of releasing her very first album from a contest held from the previous episode. However, Yume also has a [[DangerousForbiddenTechnique special ability to raise her capabilities to a much higher level]] whenever she's in a pinch and has a drawback of affecting her voice after using it. Four Star's headmaster, Hikaru Moroboshi, is concerned about this, but rather than talk to her about it straight up, he instead [[ExecutiveMeddling sabotages her album release by assigning the record company to release and produce an album for his top idol on short notice and release it on the same day as Yume's]]. While Yume has become [[BaseBreakingCharacter quite controversial]] after a series of events by that point, she definitely did not deserve to have such a [[KickTheDog crushing blow]] so early on in her career.
27th Dec '16 1:15:24 AM Supreme-X15
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** {{Supreme-X15}}: My moment comes from midway into the second season of Baka and Test, as everybody goes to Study Camp. Akihisa and Yuuji are being blackmailed by a girl with a burn mark on her butt, and they need to to find out who it is. What follows is, for lack of a better phrase, seer stupidity. First, nearly every girl accuse Akihisa, Yuuji, and Kota, minus Hideyoshi, of installing mini cams in the girls changing (which admittedly they did, but only to read a message Shouko was sending to the blackmailer) and proceed to punish them. After that, they grab an {{idiot ball}} and rush the changings to get at the mini cam, only to be foiled by the teachers. This plan repeats itself for the next two episodes, and escalates to the point of the four gathering an army of like-minded idiots like them, which leads to fighting the girls, as well. Sure, it finally ends with Akihisa beating Iron Man, and revealing [[spoiler:Miharu as the culprit]], but it also ends with all of the second year boys being suspended for picking on the principle. This entire arc was nothing but an excuse to make the girls even more unlikable, and the guys into brainless morons. This could have been solved quicker had they just asked Aiko, who was implied to know what's going if she knew who the culprit was, or at least get help from her, or Himeji and Shimada. But, nope. The boys choose to be idiots.

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** {{Supreme-X15}}: My moment comes from midway into the second season of Baka and Test, as everybody goes to Study Camp. Akihisa and Yuuji are being blackmailed by a girl with a burn mark on her butt, and they need to to find out who it is. What follows is, for lack of a better phrase, seer stupidity. First, nearly every girl girl, including Mizuki and Minami accuse Akihisa, Yuuji, and Kota, Kouta, minus Hideyoshi, of installing mini cams in the girls changing (which admittedly they Kouta did, but only to read a message Shouko was sending to the blackmailer) blackmailer, and kept the rest of the image blurry) and proceed to punish them. After that, they grab an {{idiot ball}} and rush the changings to get at the mini cam, only to be foiled by the teachers. This plan repeats itself for the next two episodes, and escalates to the point of the four gathering an army of like-minded idiots like them, which leads to fighting the girls, as well. Sure, it finally ends with Akihisa beating Iron Man, and revealing [[spoiler:Miharu as the culprit]], but it also ends with all of the second year boys being suspended for picking peeking on the principle.[[FanDisservice principle]]. This entire arc was nothing but an excuse to make the girls even more unlikable, and the guys into brainless morons. This could have been solved quicker had they just asked Aiko, who was implied to know what's going and if she knew who the culprit was, or at least get help from her, or Himeji Mizuki and Shimada.Minami, since the three of them would've had better luck finding the culprit than any of them. But, nope. The boys choose to be idiots. While it did have some good moments, the Study Camp Arc was a god awful mess and painful to sit through, leaving you wondring when it will end. Not to mention, it leads to a conflict with Minami and [[spoiler:Miharu]], which adds a lot of unnecessary drama for a comedy anime.
16th Dec '16 10:01:36 AM HighCrate
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** Tropers/{{Larkmarn}}: Seems silly to even mention it since it [[DeaderThanDisco destroyed the franchise]], but freaking "Endless Eight." Eight near-identical episodes. Which wouldn't even be a good episode if it was aired just once. The decision to try that gimmick is the definitive DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck for Kyo-Ani, not just for me but... probably about 90% of their fans.

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** Tropers/{{Larkmarn}}: Seems silly to even mention it since it [[DeaderThanDisco [[FranchiseKiller destroyed the franchise]], but freaking "Endless Eight." Eight near-identical episodes. Which wouldn't even be a good episode if it was aired just once. The decision to try that gimmick is the definitive DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck for Kyo-Ani, not just for me but... probably about 90% of their fans.
28th Nov '16 12:08:47 PM FoominBlue
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** Tropers/FoominBlue: What bothers me the most about ''[=DR3=]'' is how the character of [[spoiler:Mitarai Ryouta]] is handled. In some ways, he's well-written, as the anime shows him to be a very self-absorbed young man who only cares about his talent, dismissive and unappreciative of what others like [[spoiler:the Imposter and Mikan]] did to support him, whose tunnel vision plays right into the mastermind's hands. Even his supposed attempt at '[[TheAtoner atonement]]' comes off as less [[WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned]] and more a desperate effort to avoid the consequences of his actions through [[spoiler:mass brainwashing -- after all, nobody can punish him for the part he played in Junko brainwashing the masses into Despair if they're all brainwashed into thinking and feeling what he WANTS them to feel]]! He spends practically the whole series insisting that [[NeverMyFault nothing's his fault]], and even when he '''does''' finally start admitting to the role he played, he's focused on how he was ''personally'' victimized. He even cites the way others were [[spoiler:brainwashed into Despair]] as an '''excuse''' for his own [[spoiler:brainwashing scheme]], '''DARING''' to claim that [[spoiler:their being brainwashed into Despair somehow proves that most people are too WEAK to stand up against Despair, and thusly 'need' to be {{Mind Rape}}d into feeling nothing but Hope]]. And instead of deconstructing and calling him out on this flawed logic, he ends up [[spoiler:pulling a KarmaHoudini and getting to escape any consequences of his actions]]. He's even forgiven by [[spoiler:his classmates from 77-B]] for the role he played in [[spoiler:their getting brainwashed into Despair -- something we're repeatedly told led to them ''killing their own families'' and becoming hated criminals]]. The worst he 'suffers' is [[spoiler:going into self-imposed exile with Hinata and Class 77-B]], meaning he effectively gets to keep running away from the consequences. The narrative treats him like a [[TheWoobie woobie]] and TragicVillain rather than really deconstructing his character flaws and calling him out on them.

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** Tropers/FoominBlue: What bothers me the most about ''[=DR3=]'' is how the character of [[spoiler:Mitarai Ryouta]] is handled. In some ways, he's well-written, as the anime shows him to be a very self-absorbed young man who only cares about his talent, dismissive and unappreciative of what others like [[spoiler:the Imposter and Mikan]] did to support him, whose tunnel vision plays right into the mastermind's hands. Even his supposed attempt at '[[TheAtoner atonement]]' comes off as less [[WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned]] and more a desperate effort to avoid the consequences of his actions through [[spoiler:mass brainwashing -- after all, nobody can punish him for the part he played in Junko brainwashing the masses into Despair if they're all brainwashed into thinking and feeling what he WANTS them to feel]]! He spends practically the whole series insisting that [[NeverMyFault nothing's his fault]], and even when he '''does''' finally start admitting to the role he played, he's focused on how he was ''personally'' victimized. He even cites the way others were [[spoiler:brainwashed into Despair]] as an '''excuse''' for his own [[spoiler:brainwashing scheme]], '''DARING''' to claim that [[spoiler:their being brainwashed into Despair somehow proves that most people are too WEAK to stand up against Despair, and thusly 'need' to be {{Mind Rape}}d into feeling nothing but Hope]]. And instead of deconstructing and calling him out on this flawed logic, he ends up [[spoiler:pulling a KarmaHoudini and getting to escape any consequences of his actions]]. He's even forgiven by [[spoiler:his classmates from 77-B]] for the role he played in [[spoiler:their getting brainwashed into Despair -- something we're repeatedly told led to them ''killing their own families'' and becoming hated criminals]]. The worst he 'suffers' is [[spoiler:going into self-imposed exile with Hinata and Class 77-B]], meaning he effectively gets to keep running away from the consequences. The narrative [=DR3=] created this potentially compelling {{Foil}} only to try and {{Retcon}} and shoehorn him into being the Key Character not just of this anime, but effectively ''the entire Hope's Peak Arc'' because his [[spoiler:stupid brainwashing anime]] is just THAT Important, and treats him like a some [[TheWoobie woobie]] poor Woobie]] and TragicVillain rather than really deconstructing [[TragicVillain tragically misguided]] WellIntentionedExtremist who [[TheAtoner just wants to atone]] for sins that he's HIGHLY reluctant to admit [[NeverMyFault were actually his character flaws and calling him out fault]], ''and'' on them.top of all that? [[spoiler:He's one of only ''two'' new characters who actually get to survive the whole anime!]]
28th Nov '16 12:02:12 PM FoominBlue
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** Tropers/FoominBlue: What bothers me the most about ''[=DR3=]'' is how the character of [[spoiler:Mitarai Ryouta]] is handled. In some ways, he's well-written, as the anime shows him to be a very self-absorbed young man who only cares about his talent, dismissive and unappreciative of what others like [[spoiler:the Imposter and Mikan]] did to support him, whose tunnel vision plays right into the mastermind's hands. Even his supposed attempt at '[[TheAtoner atonement]]' comes off as less [[WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned]] and more a desperate effort to avoid the consequences of his actions through [[spoiler:mass brainwashing -- after all, nobody can punish him for the part he played in Junko brainwashing the masses into Despair if they're all brainwashed into thinking and feeling what he WANTS them to feel]]! He spends practically the whole series insisting that [[NeverMyFault nothing's his fault]], and even when he '''does''' finally start admitting to the role he played, he's focused on how he was ''personally'' victimized. He even cites the way others were [[spoiler:brainwashed into Despair]] as an '''excuse''' for his own [[spoiler:brainwashing scheme]], '''DARING''' to claim that [[spoiler:their being brainwashed into Despair somehow proves that most people are too WEAK to stand up against Despair, and thusly 'need' to be {{Mind Rape}}d into feeling nothing but Hope]]. And instead of deconstructing and calling him out on this flawed logic, he ends up [[spoiler:pulling a KarmaHoudini and getting to escape any consequences of his actions]]. He's even forgiven by [[spoiler:his classmates from 77-B]] for the role he played in [[spoiler:their getting brainwashed into Despair -- something we're repeatedly told led to them ''killing their own families'' and becoming hated criminals]]. The worst he 'suffers' is [[spoiler:going into self-imposed exile with Hinata and Class 77-B]], meaning he effectively gets to keep running away from the consequences. The narrative treats him like a [[TheWoobie woobie]] and TragicVillain rather than really deconstructing his character flaws and calling him out on them.
19th Nov '16 4:12:55 AM Supreme-X15
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** Supreme-X15: My moment comes from midway into the second season of Baka and Test, as everybody goes to Study Camp. Akihisa and Yuuji are being blackmailed by a girl with a burn mark on her butt, and they need to to find out who it is. What follows is, for lack of a better phrase, seer stupidity. First, nearly every girl accuse Akihisa, Yuuji, and Kota, minus Hideyoshi, of install mini cams in the girls changing (which admittly they did, but only to read a message Shouko was sending to the blackmailer) and proceed to punishment. After, they grab an [[idiot ball]] and rush the changings to get at the mini cam, only to be foiled by the teachers. This plan repeats itself for the next two episodes, and escalates to the point of the four gathering an army of like-minded idiots like them. Sure, it finally ends with Akihisa beating Iron Man, and revealing Miharu as the culprit, but it also ends with all second year boys being suspended for picking on the principle. This entire arc was nothing but a an excuse to make the girls even more unlikable, and the guys into brainless morons. This could have been solved quicker had they just asked Aiko, who was implied to know what's going if she knew who the culprit was, or at least get help from her, or Himeji and Shimada.

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** Supreme-X15: {{Supreme-X15}}: My moment comes from midway into the second season of Baka and Test, as everybody goes to Study Camp. Akihisa and Yuuji are being blackmailed by a girl with a burn mark on her butt, and they need to to find out who it is. What follows is, for lack of a better phrase, seer stupidity. First, nearly every girl accuse Akihisa, Yuuji, and Kota, minus Hideyoshi, of install installing mini cams in the girls changing (which admittly admittedly they did, but only to read a message Shouko was sending to the blackmailer) and proceed to punishment. After, punish them. After that, they grab an [[idiot ball]] {{idiot ball}} and rush the changings to get at the mini cam, only to be foiled by the teachers. This plan repeats itself for the next two episodes, and escalates to the point of the four gathering an army of like-minded idiots like them. them, which leads to fighting the girls, as well. Sure, it finally ends with Akihisa beating Iron Man, and revealing Miharu [[spoiler:Miharu as the culprit, culprit]], but it also ends with all of the second year boys being suspended for picking on the principle. This entire arc was nothing but a an excuse to make the girls even more unlikable, and the guys into brainless morons. This could have been solved quicker had they just asked Aiko, who was implied to know what's going if she knew who the culprit was, or at least get help from her, or Himeji and Shimada. But, nope. The boys choose to be idiots.
15th Nov '16 2:20:19 AM Supreme-X15
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** Supreme-X15: My moment comes from midway into the second season of Baka and Test, as everybody goes to Study Camp. Akihisa and Yuuji are being blackmailed by a girl with a burn mark on her butt, and they need to to find out who it is. What follows is, for lack of a better phrase, seer stupidity. First, nearly every girl accuse Akihisa, Yuuji, and Kota, minus Hideyoshi, of install mini cams in the girls changing (which admittly they did, but only to read a message Shouko was sending to the blackmailer) and proceed to punishment. After, they grab an [[idiot ball]] and rush the changings to get at the mini cam, only to be foiled by the teachers. This plan repeats itself for the next two episodes, and escalates to the point of the four gathering an army of like-minded idiots like them. Sure, it finally ends with Akihisa beating Iron Man, and revealing Miharu as the culprit, but it also ends with all second year boys being suspended for picking on the principle. This entire arc was nothing but a an excuse to make the girls even more unlikable, and the guys into brainless morons. This could have been solved quicker had they just asked Aiko, who was implied to know what's going if she knew who the culprit was, or at least get help from her, or Himeji and Shimada.
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