History YMMV / Yogscast

13th Sep '16 10:53:44 AM Kendall
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*** While there are plenty of fans that still like him, particularly due to his advocating LGBT causes and campaigning for his conduct online and behaviour has earned a fair degree of flak, particularly his flipping out at [[Creator/TheCynicalBrit TotalBiscuit]] and calling him a "crying pissbabby" [sic], then rudely insulting the Yogscast subreddit when called out on it. Some are still willing to watch and forgive him, others have chosen to unsubscribe from his Twitter and the main channel ([[MisplacedRetribution plus others, such as Duncan, that had absolutely nothing to do with it]]- which is a sore point for many Yognaughts since they don't want the network to be associated with his actions) since they consider his behaviour the last straw; some people on Reddit have since forgiven him for it, however, and threads wishing for him to recover typically get hundreds of upvotes.



* LGBTFanbase: Despite some occasionally offensive content, the Yogscast have a notably large LGBT fandom. This particularly applies to Kim and Zoey; the former isn't gay but is incredibly supportive and outspoken against homophobia, the latter is a lesbian and very caring towards her fans.



*** While he does have a number of fans due to his bizarre humour, dressing up as himself for Minecon 2013, incredibly well-done builds and (former) status as GameMaster, his behaviour has been criticised for being transphobic on several occasions due to his (formerly) deliberately misgendering people, as well as his allegedly telling a trans individual to go and kill themselves when they mentioned they had suicidal thoughts. His somewhat aggressive demeanour online, delving into BlackComedyRape jokes and allegedly sexist attitude towards admins (which has led to allegations of blackmail and further abuse) have only fanned the flames, with many calls for him to be either DemotedToExtra or fired altogether. Others just find his content boring.
13th Sep '16 10:52:03 AM Kendall
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** Zigzagged with theists. Lewis and Sjin have made a number of sharp digs at religion in the past, but there have also been many jabs at more aggressive atheists from the duo as well, plus Simon.
13th May '16 11:51:48 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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** A good chunk of complaints about the new "Conquest" channel are related to the videos being sponsored, or at least offering the chance for players to win a {{Playstation 4}}. Weirdly enough, there were very few complaints when it came to their ''Heroes and Generals'' skits, or their ''VideoGame/PlantsVsZombiesGardenWarfare'' short, both of which were filmed and released long before the "Conquest" channel was even launched.

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** A good chunk of complaints about the new "Conquest" channel are related to the videos being sponsored, or at least offering the chance for players to win a {{Playstation 4}}.UsefulNotes/Playstation4. Weirdly enough, there were very few complaints when it came to their ''Heroes and Generals'' skits, or their ''VideoGame/PlantsVsZombiesGardenWarfare'' short, both of which were filmed and released long before the "Conquest" channel was even launched.
1st May '16 10:28:36 PM jewelia13
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** [[http://yogscast.wikia.com/wiki/Matthew_Toffolo Matt Toffolo]], Kim's editor is quickly becoming one, especially after his salty turn as Metal Mario in Kim's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC0l7tJZOjM&index=29&list=PLlSBsxKnPs6Q807fvz1J5peyZDXMTKZng 2015 Christmas Livestreams]].

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** [[http://yogscast.wikia.com/wiki/Matthew_Toffolo Matt Toffolo]], Kim's editor is quickly becoming one, especially after his salty turn as Metal Tanuki Mario in Kim's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC0l7tJZOjM&index=29&list=PLlSBsxKnPs6Q807fvz1J5peyZDXMTKZng 2015 Christmas Livestreams]]. Fans rejoiced when he returned in Kim's new Mario Kart series and quickly proved to have not changed a whit.
1st May '16 10:26:47 PM jewelia13
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''See [[YMMV/{{Sjin}} here]] for [=YMMVs= related to LetsPlay/{{Sjin}}.''\\

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''See [[YMMV/{{Sjin}} here]] for [=YMMVs= [=YMMVs=] related to LetsPlay/{{Sjin}}.''\\
17th Apr '16 4:53:10 AM captainmarkle
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''See [[YMMV/{{Sjin}} here]] for [=YMMVs= related to LetsPlay/{{Sjin}}.''\\



** The fan-run Tumblr blog [=ProblematicYogscast=] has been a source of contention by fans of all stripes and even some of the Yogscast itself. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement The number of problems this group has caused are massive, but for the sake of cautious editing, only a few of the blog's worst moments are listed.]].
*** By extension, [[http://www.reddit.com/r/Yogscast/comments/2jw30d/why_is_yogscastsjin_listed_on_the/ the accusations against Sjin]] brought by [=ProblematicYogscast=] and [=WhySjinWhy=]. While the majority of the evidence can very easily be proven false (manufactured screenshots, dates not lining up, etc), the accusations are still very serious (not helped by there being no official statement or acknowledgement, with allegations that Hannah was trying to cover this up- [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RantYogscast/comments/3dzi4r/a_statement_in_regards_to_the_edited_screenshot/ which were later proven to be photoshopped]]) and have resulted in people boycotting Sjin, with his subscriber growth dropping significantly. Supposedly someone did contact the police, but nothing came of it. When the blog was asked if they wanted the help of Keemstar (of DramaAlert fame) to 'rat Sjin out', they declined, even though Keem has exposed paedophiles in the Minecraft community before, further suggesting that PY is trying to avoid going public with the information they claim to have.
*** But, as of April 2016, more fans have come forward with yet more evidence. When they confronted Lewis about it during the Deckrippers stream, He and Turps dismissed it as 'making a mountain out of a molehill', even though Minty (who had been made redundant) was also providing evidence in the chat. He then effectively told the victims to 'Fuck off'. Bad PR indeed.
*** Remember how PY vehemently refused to go to Keem because the victims didn't like him? It looks like the internet equivalent of TMZ has taken notice.
*** [=ProblematicYogscast=] seems to have some serious beef with Sips for his jokes, even though none of his jokes are meant to be taken seriously.

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** The fan-run Tumblr blog [=ProblematicYogscast=] has been a source of contention by fans of all stripes and even some of the Yogscast itself. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement The number of problems this group has caused are massive, but for the sake of cautious editing, only a few of the blog's worst moments are listed.]].
*** By extension, [[http://www.reddit.com/r/Yogscast/comments/2jw30d/why_is_yogscastsjin_listed_on_the/ the accusations against Sjin]] brought by [=ProblematicYogscast=] and [=WhySjinWhy=]. While the majority of the evidence can very easily be proven false (manufactured screenshots, dates not lining up, etc), the accusations are still very serious (not helped by there being no official statement or acknowledgement, with allegations that Hannah was trying
All issues related exclusively to cover this up- [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RantYogscast/comments/3dzi4r/a_statement_in_regards_to_the_edited_screenshot/ which were later proven to be photoshopped]]) and Sjin have resulted in people boycotting Sjin, with his subscriber growth dropping significantly. Supposedly someone did contact the police, but nothing came of it. When the blog was asked if they wanted the help of Keemstar (of DramaAlert fame) to 'rat Sjin out', they declined, even though Keem has exposed paedophiles in the Minecraft community before, further suggesting that PY is trying to avoid going public with the information they claim to have.
*** But, as of April 2016, more fans have come forward with yet more evidence. When they confronted Lewis about it during the Deckrippers stream, He and Turps dismissed it as 'making a mountain out of a molehill', even though Minty (who had
been made redundant) was also providing evidence in the chat. He then effectively told the victims moved to 'Fuck off'. Bad PR indeed.
*** Remember how PY vehemently refused to go to Keem because the victims didn't like him? It looks like the internet equivalent of TMZ has taken notice.
*** [=ProblematicYogscast=] seems to have some serious beef with Sips for
his jokes, even though none of his jokes own YMMV page, whereas others are meant to be taken seriously.listed below.]]



*** By extension, any Sjin or Ridgedog roleplay now leads to division. On the one hand some argue that the characters are different from the members in real life and still acceptable, while others argue that doing so is in some way supporting their alleged action. Some have gone as far to, in a stunning degree of hypocrisy, send ''death and rape threats'' to roleplayers of said members, which [=ProblematicYogscast=] then reblogged (to their credit, they did apologise and pull the post).

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*** ** By extension, any Sjin or Ridgedog roleplay now leads to division. On the one hand some argue that the characters are different from the members in real life and still acceptable, while others argue that doing so is in some way supporting their alleged action. Some have gone as far to, in a stunning degree of hypocrisy, send ''death and rape threats'' to roleplayers of said members, which [=ProblematicYogscast=] then reblogged (to their credit, they did apologise and pull the post).



** Community manager Mark Hulmes hasn't even appeared in any videos, but is liked even by detractors for being friendly, informative, and having a good sense of humour on /r/Yogscast.

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** Community manager Mark Hulmes hasn't even appeared in any videos, but is liked even by detractors for being friendly, informative, and having a good sense of humour on /r/Yogscast. He's also earned some love for his work



** Do ''not'' mention the Tumblr blog "[=YogPetShame=]" anywhere if you do not wish to be burned alive by the fandom.[[labelnote:Context]]Said blog is seen as having NoSenseOfHumour and being overtly pedantic to the point of pseudo-tabloid journalism, as well as a ThinkOfTheChildren mentality when the Yogs ''have never advertised primarily for that demographic'', and has received numerous complaints with people asking why the owner of said blog even bothers to keep up with the Yogscast any more, given all their gripes. It also accused Trott's girlfriend Katie of being "insecure" about constant harassment that she was getting during the Hat Films streams, causing her to delete her Tumblr. In contrast to [=ProblematicYogscast=], who at least have some followers due to their covering various triggers, [=YogPetShame=] is seen as TheScrappy by most of the community, even the social justice Yognaughts, and its posts around Ridgedog are typically the only ones to gain traction.[[/labelnote]]

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** Do ''not'' mention the Tumblr blog "[=YogPetShame=]" anywhere if you do not wish to be burned alive by the fandom.[[labelnote:Context]]Said blog is seen as having NoSenseOfHumour and being overtly pedantic to the point of pseudo-tabloid journalism, as well as a ThinkOfTheChildren mentality when the Yogs ''have never advertised primarily for that demographic'', and has received numerous complaints with people asking why the owner of said blog even bothers to keep up with the Yogscast any more, given all their gripes. It also accused Trott's girlfriend Katie of being "insecure" about constant harassment that she was getting during the Hat Films streams, causing her to delete her Tumblr. In contrast to [=ProblematicYogscast=], who at least have some followers due to their covering various triggers, [=YogPetShame=] is seen as TheScrappy by most of the community, even the social justice Yognaughts, and its posts around Ridgedog and Sjin are typically the only ones to gain traction.[[/labelnote]]



** Another inter-fandom one between Tumblr and Reddit, mostly over the issue of fan-fiction and Sjin and/or Ridgedog. There is a reasonable degree of overlap, having said that.



** After Kim broke down on stream, the fandom went berserk due to the abuse she received. Comments agreeing with her trolls were downvoted en masse on threads about the issue.
** The April 15th Deckrippers stream led to a backdraft both against Sjin and against his detractors, with something of a war between the Tumblr Yognaughts and the official Yogscast subreddit. Several {{Big Name Fan}}s have refused to make Yogscast posts (with some exceptions made for the underyogs and Hat Films) until the issue is at least resolved, whereas the subreddit was critical of Minty and Teutron.



* LoveItOrHateIt: Ridgedog was by far the most polarising member of the group during his tenure, for reasons explained below:
** While he does have a number of fans due to his bizarre humour, dressing up as himself for Minecon 2013, incredibly well-done builds and (former) status as GameMaster, his behaviour has been criticised for being transphobic on several occasions due to his (formerly) deliberately misgendering people, as well as his allegedly telling a trans individual to go and kill themselves when they mentioned they had suicidal thoughts. His somewhat aggressive demeanour online, delving into BlackComedyRape jokes and allegedly sexist attitude towards admins (which has led to allegations of blackmail and further abuse) have only fanned the flames, with many calls for him to be either DemotedToExtra or fired altogether. Others just find his content boring.
** His constantly delaying or cancelling streams and his infamous 2014 Christmas stream [[note]]in which he got drunk and left several hours early, leaving a helpless Bebop to try and get things back on track and resulting in the lowest amount of money raised[[/note]] also has not helped, and neither has his absence from any other Yogscast material. The announcement in 2016 that he was no longer a member was met with either surprise that he had only just left or rejoicing.

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* LoveItOrHateIt: LoveItOrHateIt:
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Ridgedog was by far the most polarising member of the group during his tenure, for reasons explained below:
** *** While he does have a number of fans due to his bizarre humour, dressing up as himself for Minecon 2013, incredibly well-done builds and (former) status as GameMaster, his behaviour has been criticised for being transphobic on several occasions due to his (formerly) deliberately misgendering people, as well as his allegedly telling a trans individual to go and kill themselves when they mentioned they had suicidal thoughts. His somewhat aggressive demeanour online, delving into BlackComedyRape jokes and allegedly sexist attitude towards admins (which has led to allegations of blackmail and further abuse) have only fanned the flames, with many calls for him to be either DemotedToExtra or fired altogether. Others just find his content boring.
** *** His constantly delaying or cancelling streams and his infamous 2014 Christmas stream [[note]]in which he got drunk and left several hours early, leaving a helpless Bebop to try and get things back on track and resulting in the lowest amount of money raised[[/note]] also has not helped, and neither has his absence from any other Yogscast material. The announcement in 2016 that he was no longer a member was met with either surprise that he had only just left or rejoicing.rejoicing.
** Due to accusations against him, Sjin has fallen into this for reasons [[YMMV/{{Sjin}} best described on his own YMMV page]].



** Any time someone complains about the network not being child friendly despite their PeripheryDemographic, they fail to consider that the Yogscast ''never'' advertised themselves as kid-friendly. Martyn (depending on the content he covers), Zoey and Kim are the only ones to do so actively, as well as the seemingly defunct Conquest channel.

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** Any time someone complains about the network not being child friendly despite their PeripheryDemographic, they fail to consider that the Yogscast ''never'' advertised themselves as kid-friendly.kid-friendly, or at least exclusively for kids. Martyn (depending on the content he covers), Zoey and Kim are the only ones to do so actively, as well as the seemingly defunct Conquest channel.



* TheScrappy: Ridgedog is this among the Yogscast LGBT community due to his allegedly transphobic behaviour. Asking for fanart of him is not a wise idea.

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* TheScrappy: Ridgedog is this among the Yogscast LGBT community due to his allegedly transphobic behaviour. Asking for fanart of him is not a wise idea. Since his departure, the official subreddit has since joined in with criticising him.



* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Overlapping with ''Machinima/YogscastMinecraftSeries'', the Yogscast has received quite a few complaints about how the channel is not family-friendly, with profanity being the most common complaint. This overlaps with CriticalResearchFailure, since almost nobody in the group aims to in the first place. The only real exception would be Zoey, plus Jim and Martyn to an extent, as well as the new Conquest channel, which was partially made so they could have a strictly family-friendly channel.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Overlapping with ''Machinima/YogscastMinecraftSeries'', the Yogscast has received quite a few complaints about how the channel is not family-friendly, with profanity being the most common complaint. This overlaps with CriticalResearchFailure, since almost nobody in the group aims to in the first place. The only real exception would be Zoey, plus Jim Kim and Martyn to an extent, as well as the new Conquest channel, which was partially made so they could have a strictly family-friendly channel.
15th Apr '16 11:44:48 PM GojiBiscuits
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****Remember how PY vehemently refused to go to Keem because the victims didn't like him? It looks like the internet equivalent of TMZ has taken notice.
14th Apr '16 11:45:31 PM GojiBiscuits
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****But, as of April 2016, more fans have come forward with yet more evidence. When they confronted Lewis about it during the Deckrippers stream, He and Turps dismissed it as 'making a mountain out of a molehill', even though Minty (who had been made redundant) was also providing evidence in the chat. He then effectively told the victims to 'Fuck off'. Bad PR indeed.
16th Mar '16 3:15:51 AM GojiBiscuits
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*** By extension, [[http://www.reddit.com/r/Yogscast/comments/2jw30d/why_is_yogscastsjin_listed_on_the/ the accusations against Sjin]] brought by [=ProblematicYogscast=] and [=WhySjinWhy=]. While the majority of the evidence can very easily be proven false (manufactured screenshots, dates not lining up, etc), the accusations are still very serious (not helped by there being no official statement or acknowledgement, with allegations that Hannah was trying to cover this up- [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RantYogscast/comments/3dzi4r/a_statement_in_regards_to_the_edited_screenshot/ which were later proven to be photoshopped]]) and have resulted in people boycotting Sjin, with his subscriber growth dropping significantly. Supposedly someone did contact the police, but nothing came of it. When the blog was asked if they wanted the help of DJKeemstar to 'rat Sjin out', they declined, even though Keem has exposed paedophiles in the Minecraft community before, further suggesting that PY is trying to avoid going public with the information they claim to have.

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*** By extension, [[http://www.reddit.com/r/Yogscast/comments/2jw30d/why_is_yogscastsjin_listed_on_the/ the accusations against Sjin]] brought by [=ProblematicYogscast=] and [=WhySjinWhy=]. While the majority of the evidence can very easily be proven false (manufactured screenshots, dates not lining up, etc), the accusations are still very serious (not helped by there being no official statement or acknowledgement, with allegations that Hannah was trying to cover this up- [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RantYogscast/comments/3dzi4r/a_statement_in_regards_to_the_edited_screenshot/ which were later proven to be photoshopped]]) and have resulted in people boycotting Sjin, with his subscriber growth dropping significantly. Supposedly someone did contact the police, but nothing came of it. When the blog was asked if they wanted the help of DJKeemstar Keemstar (of DramaAlert fame) to 'rat Sjin out', they declined, even though Keem has exposed paedophiles in the Minecraft community before, further suggesting that PY is trying to avoid going public with the information they claim to have.
16th Mar '16 3:13:21 AM GojiBiscuits
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** The fan-run Tumblr blog [=ProblematicYogscast=] has been a source of contention by fans of all stripes and even some of the Yogscast itself. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement And best to leave it there]].
*** By extension, [[http://www.reddit.com/r/Yogscast/comments/2jw30d/why_is_yogscastsjin_listed_on_the/ the accusations against Sjin]] brought by [=ProblematicYogscast=] and [=WhySjinWhy=]. While the majority of the evidence can very easily be proven false (manufactured screenshots, dates not lining up, etc), the accusations are still very serious (not helped by there being no official statement or acknowledgement, with allegations that Hannah was trying to cover this up- [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RantYogscast/comments/3dzi4r/a_statement_in_regards_to_the_edited_screenshot/ which were later proven to be photoshopped]]) and have resulted in people boycotting Sjin, with his subscriber growth dropping significantly. Supposedly someone did contact the police, but nothing came of it.

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** The fan-run Tumblr blog [=ProblematicYogscast=] has been a source of contention by fans of all stripes and even some of the Yogscast itself. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement And best to leave it there]].
The number of problems this group has caused are massive, but for the sake of cautious editing, only a few of the blog's worst moments are listed.]].
*** By extension, [[http://www.reddit.com/r/Yogscast/comments/2jw30d/why_is_yogscastsjin_listed_on_the/ the accusations against Sjin]] brought by [=ProblematicYogscast=] and [=WhySjinWhy=]. While the majority of the evidence can very easily be proven false (manufactured screenshots, dates not lining up, etc), the accusations are still very serious (not helped by there being no official statement or acknowledgement, with allegations that Hannah was trying to cover this up- [[https://www.reddit.com/r/RantYogscast/comments/3dzi4r/a_statement_in_regards_to_the_edited_screenshot/ which were later proven to be photoshopped]]) and have resulted in people boycotting Sjin, with his subscriber growth dropping significantly. Supposedly someone did contact the police, but nothing came of it. When the blog was asked if they wanted the help of DJKeemstar to 'rat Sjin out', they declined, even though Keem has exposed paedophiles in the Minecraft community before, further suggesting that PY is trying to avoid going public with the information they claim to have.
***[=ProblematicYogscast=] seems to have some serious beef with Sips for his jokes, even though none of his jokes are meant to be taken seriously.
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