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12th Jan '16 3:50:55 AM captainmarkle
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I'm trying to space the Ridge post out because large chunks of text are bad. Any help appreciated.
* LoveItOrHateIt: Ridgedog is by far the most polarising member of the group. While he does have a number of fans due to his bizarre humour, dressing up as himself for Minecon 2013, incredibly well-done builds and (former) status as GameMaster, his behaviour has been criticised for being transphobic on several occasions due to his (formerly) deliberately misgendering people, as well as his allegedly telling a trans individual to go and kill themselves when they mentioned they had suicidal thoughts. His somewhat aggressive demeanour online, delving into BlackComedyRape jokes and allegedly sexist attitude towards admins (which has led to allegations of blackmail and further abuse) have only fanned the flames, with many calls for him to be either DemotedToExtra or fired altogether. Others just find his content boring. His constantly delaying or cancelling streams and his infamous 2014 Christmas stream [[note]]in which he got drunk and left several hours early, leaving a helpless Bebop to try and get things back on track and resulting in the lowest amount of money raised[[/note]] also has not helped, and neither has his absence from any other Yogscast material.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: Ridgedog is was by far the most polarising member of the group. group during his tenure, for reasons explained below: ** While he does have a number of fans due to his bizarre humour, dressing up as himself for Minecon 2013, incredibly well-done builds and (former) status as GameMaster, his behaviour has been criticised for being transphobic on several occasions due to his (formerly) deliberately misgendering people, as well as his allegedly telling a trans individual to go and kill themselves when they mentioned they had suicidal thoughts. His somewhat aggressive demeanour online, delving into BlackComedyRape jokes and allegedly sexist attitude towards admins (which has led to allegations of blackmail and further abuse) have only fanned the flames, with many calls for him to be either DemotedToExtra or fired altogether. Others just find his content boring. ** His constantly delaying or cancelling streams and his infamous 2014 Christmas stream [[note]]in which he got drunk and left several hours early, leaving a helpless Bebop to try and get things back on track and resulting in the lowest amount of money raised[[/note]] also has not helped, and neither has his absence from any other Yogscast material.material. The announcement in 2016 that he was no longer a member was met with either surprise that he had only just left or rejoicing.
3rd Jan '16 8:43:55 AM captainmarkle
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** [=VeteranHarry=], aka Harry Marshall. Some like him for his trollish nature and his skills in ''TTT'', but others have been put off by his politically incorrect humour and think that his trolling has gone too far, particularly as a result of the 2015 livestreams which saw him become a borderline [[TheScrappy Scrappy]]. To elaborate, Harry was responsible for encouraging fans to spam emoji in the chat, which led to many auto-bans and an outcry, plus members of the Yogscast criticising him for making the chat nearly useless. He's also been accused of plagiarism because of some T-shirt designs, which hasn't helped matters.

* LoveItOrHateIt: Ridgedog is by far the most polarising member of the group. While he does have a number of fans due to his bizarre humour, dressing up as himself for Minecon 2013, incredibly well-done builds and (former) status as GameMaster, his behaviour has been criticised for being transphobic on several occasions due to his (formerly) deliberately misgendering people, as well as his allegedly telling a trans individual to go and kill themselves when they mentioned they had suicidal thoughts. His somewhat aggressive demeanour online, delving into BlackComedyRape jokes and allegedly sexist attitude towards admins (which has led to allegations of blackmail and further abuse) have only fanned the flames, with many calls for him to be either DemotedToExtra or fired altogether. Others just find his content boring. His constantly delaying or cancelling streams and his infamous 2014 Christmas stream [[note]]in which he got drunk and left several hours early, leaving a helpless Bebop to try and get things back on track and resulting in the lowest amount of money raised[[/note]] also has not helped.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: Ridgedog is by far the most polarising member of the group. While he does have a number of fans due to his bizarre humour, dressing up as himself for Minecon 2013, incredibly well-done builds and (former) status as GameMaster, his behaviour has been criticised for being transphobic on several occasions due to his (formerly) deliberately misgendering people, as well as his allegedly telling a trans individual to go and kill themselves when they mentioned they had suicidal thoughts. His somewhat aggressive demeanour online, delving into BlackComedyRape jokes and allegedly sexist attitude towards admins (which has led to allegations of blackmail and further abuse) have only fanned the flames, with many calls for him to be either DemotedToExtra or fired altogether. Others just find his content boring. His constantly delaying or cancelling streams and his infamous 2014 Christmas stream [[note]]in which he got drunk and left several hours early, leaving a helpless Bebop to try and get things back on track and resulting in the lowest amount of money raised[[/note]] also has not helped.helped, and neither has his absence from any other Yogscast material.

** Any time someone complains about the network not being child friendly despite their PeripheryDemographic, they fail to consider that the Yogscast ''never'' advertised themselves as kid-friendly. Martyn, Zoey and Kim are the only ones to do so actively, as well as the seemingly defunct Conquest channel.
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** Any time someone complains about the network not being child friendly despite their PeripheryDemographic, they fail to consider that the Yogscast ''never'' advertised themselves as kid-friendly. Martyn, Martyn (depending on the content he covers), Zoey and Kim are the only ones to do so actively, as well as the seemingly defunct Conquest channel.

* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Both Lewis and Simon became very divisive figures around early 2015, in part due to their arguments with other groups and the view that their content had become stale. However, Lewis managed to redeem himself when Simon fell ill, due to his reorganising the channel and getting many members of the team involved for a wide range of content such as ''GTA'' and ''Gmod'', by no means an easy task. Simon calmed down considerably online, and as time went along fans forgave him for some of his more infamous outbursts due to his humorous tweets; is return in ''Trials of Skobbels'' was also considered a great return to his older style of humour.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Both Lewis and Simon became very divisive figures around early 2015, in part due to their arguments with other groups and the view that their content had become stale. However, Lewis managed to redeem himself when Simon fell ill, due to his reorganising the channel and getting many members of the team involved for a wide range of content such as ''GTA'' and ''Gmod'', by no means an easy task. Simon calmed down considerably online, and as time went along fans forgave him for some of his more infamous outbursts due to his humorous tweets; is his return in ''Trials of Skobbels'' was also considered a great return to his older style of humour.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Both Lewis and Simon became very divisive figures around early TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The change to the Twitch chat in 2015, in part due to their arguments with other groups and which removed the view that their content had become stale. However, Lewis managed chat restrictions[[note]]put in place to redeem himself when Simon fell ill, due to his reorganising the channel and getting many members of the team involved for a wide range of content such as ''GTA'' and ''Gmod'', by no means an easy task. Simon calmed down considerably online, and as time went along stop spam, which previously only allowed fans forgave him for some of his more infamous outbursts due to his humorous tweets; is return in ''Trials of Skobbels'' send a message once every few minutes[[/note]] and led to overwhelming emoji spam. The response on Reddit and Tumblr was also considered a great return overwhelmingly negative, and caused group member Harry to his older style lose a lot of humour.fans.
1st Jan '16 6:04:01 AM CoolTom1337
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** The Twitch moderators became this on the 2015 New Year's Eve stream if they weren't already, what with that stream being ''absolutely insane''.
6th Dec '15 10:05:04 AM captainmarkle
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Stuff on Ridge taken from various Reddit threads.
** The amount of alcohol consumed during the 2015 livestreams has started to divide fans. Some think that it's acceptable to drink but be kept in check, a second group believe that it needs to be toned down (citing the Civ stream in which Lewis had to leave early on- although the group maintain that this was because of food poisoning- as well as the stream when Ridgedog got drunk and left several hours early, which was widely considered to be the worst of 2014), and a third believe that the whole matter has been blown out of proportion. [[http://lomadia.tumblr.com/post/134650158453/yogscats-yogpetshame-yogscats A comment of Hannah's being taken out of context]] ''did not'' help matters.

** The blog [=YogPetShame=] [[http://lomadia.tumblr.com/post/134650158453/yogscats-yogpetshame-yogscats taking one of Hannah's tweets out of context in order to insult Lewis]] did not go over well.

* LoveItOrHateIt: Ridgedog is by far the most polarising member of the group. While he does have a number of fans due to his bizarre humour, dressing up as himself for Minecon 2013, incredibly well-done builds and (former) status as GameMaster, his behaviour has been criticised for being transphobic on several occasions due to his (formerly) deliberately misgendering people, as well as his allegedly telling a trans individual to go and kill themselves when they mentioned they had suicidal thoughts. His somewhat aggressive demeanour online, delving into BlackComedyRape jokes and allegedly sexist attitude towards admins (which has led to allegations of blackmail and further abuse) have only fanned the flames, with many calls for him to be either DemotedToExtra or fired altogether. Others just find his content boring.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: Ridgedog is by far the most polarising member of the group. While he does have a number of fans due to his bizarre humour, dressing up as himself for Minecon 2013, incredibly well-done builds and (former) status as GameMaster, his behaviour has been criticised for being transphobic on several occasions due to his (formerly) deliberately misgendering people, as well as his allegedly telling a trans individual to go and kill themselves when they mentioned they had suicidal thoughts. His somewhat aggressive demeanour online, delving into BlackComedyRape jokes and allegedly sexist attitude towards admins (which has led to allegations of blackmail and further abuse) have only fanned the flames, with many calls for him to be either DemotedToExtra or fired altogether. Others just find his content boring. His constantly delaying or cancelling streams and his infamous 2014 Christmas stream [[note]]in which he got drunk and left several hours early, leaving a helpless Bebop to try and get things back on track and resulting in the lowest amount of money raised[[/note]] also has not helped.

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* LoveItOrHateIt: ReplacementScrappy: Inverted with Angor taking over the place of Ridgedog is by far the most polarising member of the group. While he does have a number of fans due to his bizarre humour, dressing up as himself GameMaster for Minecon 2013, incredibly well-done builds various contests. Angor has become considerably less divisive and (former) status as GameMaster, his behaviour has been criticised for being transphobic on several occasions due to his (formerly) deliberately misgendering people, as well as his allegedly telling gained a trans individual to go sizeable fanbase, whereas Ridgedog was LoveItOrHateIt and kill themselves when they mentioned they had suicidal thoughts. His somewhat aggressive demeanour online, delving into BlackComedyRape jokes and allegedly sexist attitude towards admins (which has led to allegations of blackmail and further abuse) have only fanned the flames, with many calls for him to be either DemotedToExtra or fired altogether. Others just find his content boring.was viewed as too trollish by some.

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* LoveItOrHateIt: Ridgedog is by far ** The 2015 livestream has seen an increase in the most polarising member of the group. While he does have a number of fans guest streamers, in part due to his bizarre humour, dressing up as himself for Minecon 2013, incredibly well-done builds and (former) status as GameMaster, his behaviour the changed format. This has mostly been criticised for being transphobic on several occasions due to his (formerly) deliberately misgendering people, as well as his allegedly telling a trans individual to go and kill themselves when they mentioned they had suicidal thoughts. His somewhat aggressive demeanour online, delving into BlackComedyRape jokes and allegedly sexist attitude towards admins (which well-received, but has unsurprisingly led to allegations a small, but vocal, group of blackmail people saying "person X is from the Yogscast, I'm not interested". Hannah and further abuse) community manager Mark have only fanned the flames, expressed their displeasure with many calls for him to be either DemotedToExtra or fired altogether. Others just find his content boring.this.
18th Nov '15 12:52:29 AM captainmarkle
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** Creator/AdamSandler, ever since the ''Film//{{Pixels}}'' fiasco in which Happy Madison Productions made targeted advertising for the group's fans without permission or even getting their name right.
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** Creator/AdamSandler, ever since the ''Film//{{Pixels}}'' ''Film/{{Pixels}}'' fiasco in which Happy Madison Productions made targeted advertising for the group's fans without permission or even getting their name right.

** The lack of smaller Yogscast members in some videos is a point of debate, with some arguing that the smaller channels are somehow being "bullied" and others arguing that it's not the main channel's responsibility. Debate on this appears to be dying down with the inclusion of Martyn, Zoey, Rythian and Zylus in ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'' and ''TTT'' (minus Martyn in this case), although others are concerned that when Simon returns this won't continue.
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** The lack of smaller Yogscast members in some videos is a point of debate, with some arguing that the smaller channels are somehow being "bullied" and others arguing that it's not the main channel's responsibility. Debate on this appears to be dying down with the inclusion of Martyn, Zoey, Rythian and Zylus in ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'' and ''TTT'' (minus Martyn in this case), although others are concerned that when Simon returns this won't continue.continue; this was debunked when regular lineups for ''Gmod'' continued to include Zoey and Zylus, plus Rythian on occasion.

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** The lack For the first round of smaller Yogscast members ''Gmod'' Pictionary, Trott and Smith choose to do ''[[Film/TheFastAndTheFurious Fast & Furious 7]]''. How do they choose to represent it? With UsefulNotes/BarackObama standing in some videos is a point of debate, for Creator/DwayneJohnson (nothing wrong with some arguing that the smaller channels are somehow being "bullied" so far) and others arguing that it's not the main channel's responsibility. Debate on this appears to be dying down [[spoiler:a depiction of Creator/PaulWalker's car crash death, complete with numerous explosions]]. Smith's reaction to the inclusion of Martyn, Zoey, Rythian and Zylus in ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'' and ''TTT'' (minus Martyn in this case), although others are concerned that when Simon returns this won't continue.proposal is initially horrified, but he eventually goes along with it; by the end, ''everyone'' is audibly wincing.

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** The lack of smaller Yogscast members Community manager Mark Hulmes hasn't even appeared in some videos any videos, but is a point of debate, with some arguing that the smaller channels are somehow liked even by detractors for being "bullied" friendly, informative, and others arguing that it's not the main channel's responsibility. Debate having a good sense of humour on this appears to be dying down with the inclusion of Martyn, Zoey, Rythian and Zylus in ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'' and ''TTT'' (minus Martyn in this case), although others are concerned that when Simon returns this won't continue./r/Yogscast.
12th Nov '15 4:16:51 AM captainmarkle
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** Do ''not'' mention the Tumblr blog "[=YogPetShame=]" anywhere if you do not wish to be burned alive by the fandom.[[labelnote:Context]]Said blog is seen as having NoSenseOfHumour and being overtly pedantic to the point of pseudo-tabloid journalism, as well as a ThinkOfTheChildren mentality when the Yogs ''have never advertised primarily for that demographic'', and has received numerous complaints with people asking why the owner of said blog even bothers to keep up with the Yogscast any more, given all their gripes. In contrast to [=ProblematicYogscast=], who at least have some followers due to their covering various triggers, [=YogPetShame=] is seen as TheScrappy by most of the community, even the social justice Yognaughts, and its posts around Ridgedog are typically the only ones to gain traction.[[/labelnote]]
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** Do ''not'' mention the Tumblr blog "[=YogPetShame=]" anywhere if you do not wish to be burned alive by the fandom.[[labelnote:Context]]Said blog is seen as having NoSenseOfHumour and being overtly pedantic to the point of pseudo-tabloid journalism, as well as a ThinkOfTheChildren mentality when the Yogs ''have never advertised primarily for that demographic'', and has received numerous complaints with people asking why the owner of said blog even bothers to keep up with the Yogscast any more, given all their gripes. It also accused Trott's girlfriend Katie of being "insecure" about constant harassment that she was getting during the Hat Films streams, causing her to delete her Tumblr. In contrast to [=ProblematicYogscast=], who at least have some followers due to their covering various triggers, [=YogPetShame=] is seen as TheScrappy by most of the community, even the social justice Yognaughts, and its posts around Ridgedog are typically the only ones to gain traction.[[/labelnote]]
30th Oct '15 12:07:14 PM Anddrix
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** The Yogscast reading shipping fics on the livestream earned DudeNotFunny reactions from the fanfiction community, whereas those not in favour of real person shipping are less sympathetic; others didn't care that the fic got read out but didn't agree with the author being named (with their alias, but still). It really doesn't help that Simon was MisBlamed by the community and outright said that he liked the story in question.
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** The Yogscast reading shipping fics on the livestream earned DudeNotFunny negative reactions from the fanfiction community, whereas those not in favour of real person shipping are less sympathetic; others didn't care that the fic got read out but didn't agree with the author being named (with their alias, but still). It really doesn't help that Simon was MisBlamed by the community and outright said that he liked the story in question.

* DudeNotFunny: The Yogscast got some flack from the fanfiction community after reading out some shipping fics without the permission of the authors. While the fanfic community mostly understands that certain members are not comfortable with it (and thus do not put it in the main tag on Tumblr), it still rubbed people up the wrong way. [[MisBlamed This is despite Simon saying that he enjoyed the work and found it quite sweet.]]

** Talking about the critical subreddit /r/[=RantYogscast=] is bound to bring up comparisons to cancer or various diseases, in no small part due to links to [=YogPetShame=], insulting anyone that tries to explain anything and the head administrator's hypocrisy with regard to political correctness. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Despite criticising the Yogscast for some incorrect and poor taste jokes related to Creator/BillCosby, their username is ''literally'' [=SavilleSanta=]. While this is a reference to ''Tekkit'' and Simon'a accidentally building a Santa resembling now-exposed paedophile Jimmy Saville, the reference is seen as poor taste by most, and the defence of "Because I'm not Sjin" and "I'm not accused of sexual misconduct" is seen as DudeNotFunny by most; it really doesn't help that many fans of PY follow YPS.[[/labelnote]]
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** Talking about the critical subreddit /r/[=RantYogscast=] is bound to bring up comparisons to cancer or various diseases, in no small part due to links to [=YogPetShame=], insulting anyone that tries to explain anything and the head administrator's hypocrisy with regard to political correctness. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Despite criticising the Yogscast for some incorrect and poor taste jokes related to Creator/BillCosby, their username is ''literally'' [=SavilleSanta=]. While this is a reference to ''Tekkit'' and Simon'a accidentally building a Santa resembling now-exposed paedophile Jimmy Saville, the reference is seen as poor taste by most, and the defence of "Because I'm not Sjin" and "I'm not accused of sexual misconduct" is seen as DudeNotFunny unfunny by most; it really doesn't help that many fans of PY follow YPS.[[/labelnote]]
18th Oct '15 10:36:52 AM captainmarkle
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** Creator/AdamSandler, ever since the ''Film//{{Pixels}}'' fiasco in which Happy Madison Productions made targeted advertising for the group's fans without permission or even getting their name right. ** Zigzagged with theists. Lewis and Sjin have made a number of sharp digs at religion in the past, but there have also been many jabs at more aggressive atheists from the duo as well, plus Simon.
29th Sep '15 2:21:27 PM captainmarkle
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** An inter-fandom one between fans of the main subreddit and the subreddit [=RantYogscast=] (and by proxy Tumblr blog [=YogPetShame=]). Those who dislike the former accuse them of brigading and being overtly sycophantic {{Orwellian Editor}}s that won't listen to legitimate criticism, those that dislike the latter (plus its Tumblr "parent" for lack of a better word) accuse it of doing nothing but stir up drama despite supposedly being against it, being incredibly rude and acerbic when a Yogscast member tries to clarify what is going on there, lingering in a fandom that it really doesn't belong in, [[{{Hypocrite}} censoring any critical content]] and being insensitive to rape survivors and/or victims of child abuse.
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** An inter-fandom one between fans of the main subreddit and the subreddit [=RantYogscast=] (and by proxy Tumblr blog [=YogPetShame=]). Those who dislike the former accuse them of brigading and being overtly sycophantic {{Orwellian Editor}}s that won't listen to legitimate criticism, those that dislike the latter (plus its Tumblr "parent" for lack of a better word) accuse it of doing nothing but stir up drama despite supposedly being against it, being incredibly rude and acerbic when a Yogscast member tries to clarify what is going on there, lingering in a fandom that it really doesn't belong in, [[{{Hypocrite}} censoring any critical content]] and being insensitive to rape survivors and/or victims of child abuse.abuse, as well as defending Richard Dawkins when Simon called him out for Islamophobic behaviour.

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** An inter-fandom one between fans of the main subreddit * RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Both Lewis and Simon became very divisive figures around early 2015, in part due to their arguments with other groups and the subreddit [=RantYogscast=] (and by proxy Tumblr blog [=YogPetShame=]). Those who dislike the former accuse them of brigading and being overtly sycophantic {{Orwellian Editor}}s view that won't listen their content had become stale. However, Lewis managed to legitimate criticism, those that dislike the latter (plus its Tumblr "parent" for lack of a better word) accuse it of doing nothing but stir up drama despite supposedly being against it, being incredibly rude and acerbic redeem himself when a Yogscast member tries Simon fell ill, due to clarify what is going on there, lingering in a fandom that it really doesn't belong in, [[{{Hypocrite}} censoring any critical content]] his reorganising the channel and being insensitive getting many members of the team involved for a wide range of content such as ''GTA'' and ''Gmod'', by no means an easy task. Simon calmed down considerably online, and as time went along fans forgave him for some of his more infamous outbursts due to rape survivors and/or victims his humorous tweets; is return in ''Trials of child abuse.Skobbels'' was also considered a great return to his older style of humour.

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** An inter-fandom one between fans After ''Minecraft'' content that started to bore the fandom, constant shouting and a few infamous outbursts, Simon became a ''huge'' BaseBreaker among the Yognaughts. However, his return in ''Trials of Skobbels'' on the main subreddit and the subreddit [=RantYogscast=] (and by proxy Tumblr blog [=YogPetShame=]). Those who dislike the former accuse them of brigading and being overtly sycophantic {{Orwellian Editor}}s channel had a very positive reception, with a general consensus that won't listen his calmer behaviour was a welcome return to legitimate criticism, those form. It also helps that dislike the latter (plus its Tumblr "parent" for lack of a better word) accuse it of doing nothing but stir up drama despite supposedly being against it, being incredibly rude his online behaviour had also calmed down considerably, and acerbic when a Yogscast member tries to clarify what is going on there, lingering in a fandom that it really doesn't belong in, [[{{Hypocrite}} censoring any critical content]] and being insensitive to rape survivors and/or victims of child abuse.ire was directed at more polarising figures such as Richard Dawkins.
29th Sep '15 12:16:24 PM captainmarkle
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I have mixed opinions of PY but this is not Broken Base. Broken Base is two sides divided, at this point PY appears to be more or less stopped. Also, Hate Dumb= Flame Bait. Flame Bait= bad.
*** A most tasteful moment of PY's behaviour involved them effectively [[HateDumb nullifying the existence of a ex-student's harsh and racially-aggravated bullying]] [[DisproportionateRetribution and then flipping out when the person mentioned the word 'Coloured']], a supposedly PoliticallyCorrect way of describing a non-white person, [[http://problematicyogscast.tumblr.com/post/127023574160/and-what-am-i-supposed-to-say-i-dont-use-slurs simply because the person who was being abused by their peers was also white.]]
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