History YMMV / YesMinister

28th Apr '16 2:32:06 PM ChaoticNovelist
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** {{Padding}}: The series started out as a stage play and retained broadly the same storyline, resulting in a lot of clumsy exposition dumps. In particular, the entirety of the third episode basically consists of just two scenes; firstly Sir Humphrey trying to manipulate Hacker for fraudulent expense claims, and then Hacker trying to do the same to Sir Humphrey for illegal usage of government credit cards.

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** {{Padding}}: **{{Padding}}: The series started out as a stage play and retained broadly the same storyline, resulting in a lot of clumsy exposition dumps. In particular, the entirety of the third episode basically consists of just two scenes; firstly Sir Humphrey trying to manipulate Hacker for fraudulent expense claims, and then Hacker trying to do the same to Sir Humphrey for illegal usage of government credit cards.


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*WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: The series has in fact been criticized as being [[http://reviewsindepth.com/2010/03/yes-prime-minister-the-most-cunning-political-propaganda-ever-conceived/ powerful propaganda for the Thatcher administration]], as it was written by one of her advisors, despite the show portraying civil servants ''and'' politicians as corrupt, the politicians caring only about votes, in spite of the left-leaning sympathies of the show's co-creator, Jonathan Lynn.
20th Mar '16 3:06:18 PM OlfinBedwere
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* BaseBreaker: Dorothy Wainwright from ''Yes, Prime Minister''; fandom is split as to whether she was the strong, politically minded female character that ''Yes, Minister'' was sorely missing (Annie, while a fairly strong character overall, was more of an everywoman), or a CreatorsPet who is constantly shown to be right about ''everything'', and is able to quickly reduce senior civil servants to babbling idiots in a way that even the likes of Ludovic Kennedy couldn't manage.

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Dorothy Wainwright from ''Yes, Prime Minister''; fandom is split as to whether she was the strong, politically minded female character that ''Yes, Minister'' was sorely missing (Annie, while a fairly strong character overall, was more of an everywoman), or a CreatorsPet who is constantly shown to be right about ''everything'', and is able to quickly reduce senior civil servants to babbling idiots in a way that even the likes of Ludovic Kennedy couldn't manage.



* HilariousInHindsight: In "The Moral Dimension," Bernard tells Hacker that he's got a call from "Mr. Haig" in the communications room they set up in the Qumrani royal palace. While Bernard's message was actually to advise Hacker on the availability of Haig whiskey illicitly smuggled into the palace, it carries an extra layer of hilarity when you consider that the role of Hacker was taken over by David Haig for the stage play and 2013 series.
** In "The Smoke Screen", Dr. Thorne's proposals to attack smoking by banning all advertising (even at point of purchase), drastically increasing the tax on cigarettes and instituting a ban on smoking in public places is viewed by the other characters as impractically radical and impossible to implement. Pretty much all of his proposals have (in some way, shape or form) since become real-world government policy in Britain and many other places.

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In "The Moral Dimension," Bernard tells Hacker that he's got a call from "Mr. Haig" in the communications room they set up in the Qumrani royal palace. While Bernard's message was actually to advise Hacker on the availability of Haig whiskey illicitly smuggled into the palace, it carries an extra layer of hilarity when you consider that the role of Hacker was taken over by David Haig for the stage play and 2013 series.
** In "The Smoke Screen", Dr. Thorne's proposals to attack smoking by banning all advertising (even at point of purchase), drastically increasing the tax on cigarettes and instituting a ban on smoking in public places is viewed by the other characters as impractically radical and impossible to implement. Pretty much all of his proposals have (in some way, shape or form) since become real-world government policy in Britain and many other places.places, albeit they've generally been phased in gradually rather than in the large, sweeping manner that Thorne was proposing.
21st May '15 8:49:30 PM DoctorNemesis
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** In "The Smoke Screen", Dr. Thorne's proposals to attack smoking by banning all advertising (even at point of purchase), drastically increasing the tax on cigarettes and a ban on smoking in public places is viewed by the other characters as impractically radical and impossible to implement. Pretty much all of his proposals have (in some way, shape or form) since become real-world government policy in Britain and many other places.

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** In "The Smoke Screen", Dr. Thorne's proposals to attack smoking by banning all advertising (even at point of purchase), drastically increasing the tax on cigarettes and instituting a ban on smoking in public places is viewed by the other characters as impractically radical and impossible to implement. Pretty much all of his proposals have (in some way, shape or form) since become real-world government policy in Britain and many other places.
21st May '15 8:48:57 PM DoctorNemesis
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** In "The Smoke Screen", Dr. Thorne's proposals to attack smoking by banning all advertising (even at point of purchase), drastically increasing the tax on cigarettes and a ban on smoking in public places is viewed by the other characters as impractically radical and impossible to implement. Pretty much all of his proposals have (in some way, shape or form) since become real-world government policy in Britain and many other places.
14th Apr '15 10:01:30 PM jormis29
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Younger tropers may recognise Bernard from his role on {{Heartbeat}}.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Younger tropers may recognise Bernard from his role on {{Heartbeat}}.''Series/{{Heartbeat}}''.
17th Feb '15 12:29:58 PM TheLyniezian
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** SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Granted, classic-style {{Brit Com}}s are near-invariably ripped to shreds by television critics regardless of how well (or badly) they're written anyway, but still the series (and even the stage play) was accused of being laughably outdated next to ''Series/TheThickOfIt''.

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** SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Granted, classic-style {{Brit Com}}s are near-invariably ripped to shreds by television critics regardless of how well (or badly) they're written anyway, but still the series (and even the stage play) was accused of being laughably outdated next to ''Series/TheThickOfIt''.''Series/TheThickOfIt''.
* ValuesResonance: it's surprising how relevant some of the political issues explored in the show (though by no means all) still hold true in later decades. For example, one episode deals with upgrading the British nuclear deterrent ''to'' Trident, in recent years the issue has been ''replacing'' Trident; despite being set in the Cold War, it's portrayed as just as ridiculously pointless as many think it to be now. Other issues including government waste, data-gathering and privacy concerns, Britain's place in Europe... And, whilst it was said to draw more by way of examples from the pre-Thatcher era than its own time (Thatcher taking a much harder line with the Civil Service than Jim Hacker ever dared), it remained a big hit with the then-PM and her cabinet.
11th Jun '14 12:28:48 PM OlfinBedwere
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* HilariousInHindsight: In "The Moral Dimension," Bernard tells Hacker that he's got a call from "Mr. Haig" in the communications room they set up in the Qumrani royal palace. While Bernard's message was actually to advise Hacker on the availability of Haig whiskey illicitly smuggled into the palace, it carries an extra layer of hilarity when you consider that the role of Hacker was taken over by David Haig for the stage play and 2013 series.
31st May '14 5:49:26 AM OlfinBedwere
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** {{Padding}}: The series started out as a stage play and retained broadly the same storyline, resulting in a lot of clumsy exposition dumps.

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** {{Padding}}: The series started out as a stage play and retained broadly the same storyline, resulting in a lot of clumsy exposition dumps. In particular, the entirety of the third episode basically consists of just two scenes; firstly Sir Humphrey trying to manipulate Hacker for fraudulent expense claims, and then Hacker trying to do the same to Sir Humphrey for illegal usage of government credit cards.
31st May '14 5:46:36 AM OlfinBedwere
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** SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Granted, classic-style {{Brit Com}}s are near-invariably ripped to shreds by television critics regardless of how well (or badly) they're written anyway, but still the series (and even the stage play) was accused of being laughably outdated next to Series/TheThickOfIt.

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** SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Granted, classic-style {{Brit Com}}s are near-invariably ripped to shreds by television critics regardless of how well (or badly) they're written anyway, but still the series (and even the stage play) was accused of being laughably outdated next to Series/TheThickOfIt.''Series/TheThickOfIt''.
31st May '14 5:46:23 AM OlfinBedwere
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* TheScrappy: Frank Weisel. Even leaving aside the thematic reasons as to why he didn't work as a character, most fans found him extremely irritating, and he didn't add much to episodes beyond giving exposition (which Annie or Bernard would instead give in later episodes) and a reason for Sir Humphrey to make a Weasel/Weisel joke.

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* TheScrappy: Frank Weisel. Even leaving aside the thematic reasons as to why he didn't work as a character, most fans found him extremely irritating, and he didn't add much to episodes beyond giving exposition (which Annie or Bernard would instead give in later episodes) and a reason for Sir Humphrey to make a Weasel/Weisel joke.joke.
* {{Sequelitis}}: To say that the 2013 ''Yes, Prime Minister'' series wasn't as well-received as its forerunner would be a '''gigantic''' understatement. Common criticisms included:
** {{Flanderization}} of all three major characters. Hacker became far more bad-tempered and ineffectual than the original version ever was, Sir Humphrey became so corrupt and such a megalomaniac that he seemed to become a posher {{Expy}} of [[Series/TheNewStatesman Alan B'stard]], while Bernard seemed to have degenerated from being idealistic and pedantic to being an outright ManChild.
** {{Padding}}: The series started out as a stage play and retained broadly the same storyline, resulting in a lot of clumsy exposition dumps.
** SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Granted, classic-style {{Brit Com}}s are near-invariably ripped to shreds by television critics regardless of how well (or badly) they're written anyway, but still the series (and even the stage play) was accused of being laughably outdated next to Series/TheThickOfIt.
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