History YMMV / Warhammer40000

18th Aug '17 9:53:14 PM CptnLhurgoyf
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* ValuesDissonance: The sheer darkness of the setting is subject to a lot of this. Many audiences, particularly Americans, are turned off by it and question why someone would find something so bleak appealing, or why it would be marketed to children (see below). In its native Britain, however, [[BritishHumour the culture of humor is a lot more cynical]], and people view the ultimate CrapsackWorld that is the 41st Millennium as PlayedForLaughs in how absurdly over the top it is. Furthermore, a lot of the setting is satirizing British culture of the time that would only make sense to British fans; when stripped of the context, it just looks like dystopia for its own sake.

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* ValuesDissonance: The sheer darkness of the setting is subject to a lot of this. Many audiences, particularly Americans, are turned off by it and question why someone would find something so bleak appealing, or why it would be marketed to children (see below). In its native Britain, however, [[BritishHumour the culture of humor is a lot more cynical]], cynical, and people view the ultimate CrapsackWorld that is the 41st Millennium as PlayedForLaughs in how absurdly over the top it is. Furthermore, a lot of the setting is satirizing British culture of the time that would only make sense to British fans; when stripped of the context, it just looks like dystopia for its own sake.
18th Aug '17 9:52:02 PM CptnLhurgoyf
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* ValuesDissonance: The sheer darkness of the setting is subject to a lot of this. Many audiences, particularly Americans, are turned off by it and question why someone would find something so bleak appealing, or why it would be marketed to children (see below). In its native Britain, however, [[BritishHumour the culture of humor is a lot more cynical]], and people view the ultimate CrapsackWorld that is the 41st Millennium as PlayedForLaughs in how absurdly over the top it is. Furthermore, a lot of the setting is satirizing British culture of the time that would only make sense to British fans; when stripped of the context, it just looks like dystopia for its own sake.
18th Aug '17 9:33:25 PM Grandad7
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** The Carcharodons as mentioned above, have most of their lore around the Badab War. Yet they seem to be a Very popular Chapter rivaling even the Black Templars for most popular Later-founding chapter.

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** The Carcharodons as mentioned above, have most of their little lore around the Badab War.about them. Yet they seem to be a Very popular Chapter rivaling even the Black Templars for most popular Later-founding chapter.


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** The Space Marine Chapter known as the Scythes of The Emperor, have had a sizeable fan base despite having most of their lore revolve around how they were [[ShockingDefeatLegacy devasted by the]] [[HordeOfAlienLocusts Tyranids]] said fan base has expanded due to recent Novels by L.J Goulding and they even had been mentioned in the Latest edition having recovered greatly from their losses.
27th Jul '17 1:48:32 AM SebastianGray
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* UnexpectedCharacter: Not many people expected the Crimson Slaughter, a relatively-minor warband that debuted in the 6th Edition Chaos codex, to be featured in that edition's starter set, or to have a supplement devoted to them before one of the Traitor Legions.
24th Jul '17 6:44:14 PM Grandad7
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** Out of all the unique Imperial Guard regiments, The [[DeathSeeker Death]] [[GasMaskMooks Korps]] of Krieg are the most popular.
21st Jul '17 11:18:37 PM KingClark
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Almost all of the story beyond the actual tabletop sessions (since you model and customize your personal army, letting you make them exactly as dark or noble as you like) and the codex books (which are highlights of victories and propaganda). There are so many ShootTheShaggyDog stories, and unequivocal victories for any given side are happening at the same time as a dozen crushing defeats.
** The setting can just as easily subvert this, however. The sheer amounts of CrazyAwesome, RuleOfCool and parody elements can [[CrossesTheLineTwice take it from depressing to gloriously hilarious]].

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Almost all of the story beyond the actual tabletop sessions (since you model and customize your personal army, letting you make them exactly as dark or noble as you like) and the codex books (which are highlights of victories and propaganda). There are so many ShootTheShaggyDog stories, and unequivocal victories for any given side are happening at the same time as a dozen crushing defeats.
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defeats. The setting can just as easily subvert this, however. The sheer amounts of CrazyAwesome, RuleOfCool and parody elements can [[CrossesTheLineTwice take it from depressing to gloriously hilarious]].
21st Jul '17 11:17:54 PM KingClark
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** Fabius [[NamesToRunAwayFrom Bile]] is what you have when you cross a MadScientist with the dark powers of Chaos. Bile traverses the Galaxy more than any other member of the Traitor Legions for the purpose of experimenting whenever and wherever he can. On the world of Dimmamar, Bile changed the atomic composition of the air until the population was forced to ingest his transformative serums or slowly suffocate. He earned the name "Manflayer" in the Bray system for [[FlayingAlive skinning those who opposed him]] to make a [[GenuineHumanHide cloak of human skin]], the survivors still alive to carry the garment behind him. Bile injects poisonous strands into every gene pool he can, with some experiments wiping out life in entire sectors. A {{sadist}} with [[AGodIAm a god complex]] and [[ForScience scientific curiosity]], Bile is [[TheDreaded feared and hated by all who know his name and actions]].

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** Fabius [[NamesToRunAwayFrom Bile]] Bile is what you have when you cross a MadScientist with the dark powers of Chaos. Bile traverses the Galaxy more than any other member of the Traitor Legions for the purpose of experimenting whenever and wherever he can. On the world of Dimmamar, Bile changed the atomic composition of the air until the population was forced to ingest his transformative serums or slowly suffocate. He earned the name "Manflayer" in the Bray system for [[FlayingAlive skinning those who opposed him]] to make a [[GenuineHumanHide cloak of human skin]], the survivors still alive to carry the garment behind him. Bile injects poisonous strands into every gene pool he can, with some experiments wiping out life in entire sectors. A {{sadist}} with [[AGodIAm a god complex]] and [[ForScience scientific curiosity]], Bile is [[TheDreaded feared and hated by all who know his name and actions]].



* CrackPairing: Nurgle and [[StockholmSyndrome Isha]]. Interestingly, this is technically ''canon'', though unreciprocated.

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Nurgle and [[StockholmSyndrome Isha]]. Interestingly, this is technically ''canon'', though unreciprocated.
18th Jul '17 2:17:48 AM CHLORINEGARGOYLE
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** Is the series a humorless, grim hellhole that's a reflection of the evil men do and where the [[AMillionIsAStatistic deaths of trillions daily through genocide, crime, government-mandated famine, and overworking]] (and that's just non-war deaths) are perfectly fitting with the horrors of humanity made for stories of flawed, horrible, [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters everyday humanity]] struggling with a vast, hostile universe with no room for comedy, or an over-the-top, ultra-campy mishmash of every sci-fi work that's made for CrazyAwesome and nothing remotely serious? This ranges from angry fans attacking ''anything'' that smells vaguely of idealism/optimism (see: the backlash against Tau, who were once explicitly the only non-assholes in the galaxy) and Literature/CiaphasCain being frowned upon for being comedic and showing human worlds that aren't [[WretchedHive slummy Hiveworlds]] or [[DeathWorld criminal penal colonies overrun with face-eating creatures]], to fans mocking the grimdark of the series (such as the thousands of psykers being slain to sustain the Emperor, the portrayal of 99% of Imperial citizens as unsustainably overworked [[WeWillUseManualLaborInTheFuture labourers]] or [[BeleagueredBureaucrat bureaucrats]] who work as [[ServantRace borderline-slaves]] (or actual slaves) in [[NoOSHACompliance hellish]] [[IndustrialGhetto conditions]], and ''especially'' Matt Ward's various additions, the least of which involved Sisters of Battle being slain for almost no reason at all) and increasing Literature/CiaphasCain and the angry hooligan shenanigans of the Orkz to memetic levels.

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** Is the series a humorless, grim hellhole that's a reflection of the evil men do and where the [[AMillionIsAStatistic deaths of trillions daily through genocide, crime, government-mandated famine, and overworking]] (and that's just non-war deaths) are perfectly fitting with the horrors of humanity made humanity, and a setting for stories of flawed, horrible, [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters everyday humanity]] humanity capable of heinous deeds and excess]] struggling with a vast, hostile universe with no room for comedy, or an over-the-top, ultra-campy mishmash of every sci-fi work that's made for CrazyAwesome and nothing remotely serious? This ranges from angry fans attacking ''anything'' that smells vaguely of idealism/optimism (see: the backlash against Tau, who were once explicitly the only non-assholes in the galaxy) and Literature/CiaphasCain being frowned upon for being comedic and showing human worlds that aren't [[WretchedHive slummy Hiveworlds]] or [[DeathWorld criminal penal colonies overrun with face-eating creatures]], to fans mocking the grimdark of the series (such as the thousands of psykers being slain to sustain the Emperor, the portrayal of 99% of Imperial citizens as unsustainably overworked [[WeWillUseManualLaborInTheFuture labourers]] or [[BeleagueredBureaucrat bureaucrats]] who work as [[ServantRace borderline-slaves]] (or actual slaves) in [[NoOSHACompliance hellish]] [[IndustrialGhetto conditions]], and ''especially'' Matt Ward's various additions, the least of which involved Sisters of Battle being slain for almost no reason at all) and increasing Literature/CiaphasCain and the angry hooligan shenanigans of the Orkz to memetic levels.
16th Jul '17 7:03:31 PM Grandad7
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** Thanks to the Badab War, Alot of Minor Chapters have recived followings. Notably the Carcharodons, Lamenters, Raptors, and Minotaurs.

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** Thanks to the Badab War, Alot of Minor Chapters have recived followings. Notably Such as the Carcharodons, Lamenters, Raptors, [[ThreateningShark Carcharodons]], [[TheWoobie Lamenters]], [[SpaceCommandos Raptors]], and Minotaurs.[[AncientGrome Minotaurs]]
16th Jul '17 6:43:28 PM Grandad7
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** The Chapter Master of the Minotaurs Chapter, [[OneManArmy Asterion Moloc]] is the main reason why some Space Marine players play the Chapter.
** Alessio Cortez, for being a major Badass Lore wise, and having a Cool looking model on the tabletop. Many Non-Crimson fists players have even converted his model for use for their own armies.
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