History YMMV / Warhammer40000

20th Feb '17 9:08:45 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* ScapegoatCreator: Matt Ward has gotten so much hate for his codexes that people blame him for stuff he isn't actually responsible for. Though he [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap has gotten less hate recently]], he is seemingly being replaced by [[http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Robin_Cruddace Robin Cruddace]], who was responsible for buffing the Imperial Guard [[note]][[AuthorAppeal FYI, his personal favourite army]]. [[BlatantLies His personal preferences did not in any way influence his design decisions in the slightest]].[[/note]] into ridiculousness, and nerfing the Tyranids into the ground. Most fans still feel sour to Ward, however, and don't think he should be allowed to write without a co-writer.

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* ScapegoatCreator: Matt Ward has gotten so much hate for his codexes that people blame him for stuff he isn't actually responsible for. Though he [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap has gotten less hate recently]], he is seemingly being replaced by [[http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Robin_Cruddace Robin Cruddace]], who was responsible for buffing the Imperial Guard [[note]][[AuthorAppeal FYI, his personal favourite army]]. [[BlatantLies His personal preferences did not in any way influence his design decisions in the slightest]].[[/note]] into ridiculousness, and nerfing the Tyranids into the ground. Most fans still feel sour to Ward, however, and don't think he should be allowed to write without a co-writer. Ward even got blamed for some of the model designs (especially the baby-carrier Dreadknight), which he had nothing whatsoever to do with other than writing rules for them.
20th Feb '17 11:36:16 AM Theriocephalus
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** The game is ''much'' more popular in the United States than in its native Britain, with most of the spin-off video games being developed by American and Canadian companies. Of course, the United States having a population five times larger than the United Kingdom (thus equaling a larger potential fanbase) might contribute to this. Another major factor is that in Britain it's generally considered a children's game for rich kids, while in the US it's associated with college students and other adults (''i.e.'' people with their own money).

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** The game is ''much'' more popular in the United States than in its native Britain, with most of the spin-off video games being developed by American and Canadian companies. Of course, the United States having a population five times larger than the United Kingdom (thus equaling a larger potential fanbase) might contribute to this. Another major factor is that in Britain it's generally considered a children's game for rich kids, while in the US U.S. it's associated with college students and other adults (''i.e.'' people with their own money).



** Germans Love 40k As Well: Next to ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' - of course - Warhammer 40,000 ranks as one of the most popular {{Tabletop Game}}s known in Germany. This may have to do with the considerably German middle ages-styled Imperium, the imagery and the tanks of the Astra Militarum.
** Russians Love The Imperium: Warhammer 40k is rather popular among Russians -- it is unofficially reported that Russia has a second largest W40k fanbase after the US. Russians tend to like {{Crapsack World}}s because of life in Russia never being too easy, and 40k in particular because of strong similarities of the Imperium of Man and Russia during different historical periods. The Imperial Aquila is similar to the Russian Double-Headed Eagle, and the universe has lots of {{ShoutOut}}s to something Russian (Valhallans, Vostroyans, some planet or character names, etc.). The fact that most Russians see an autocratic rule as not so much a dystopian future than something that could finally get things in order may also help. However, the tabletop part of W40k hobby is considered somewhat expensive in Russia, so it is less popular then novels and video games set in the universe. The unique phenomenon of several heavy metal bands whose songs are solely dedicated to Warhammer 40k universe, e.g. Hmkids or Hammer of Faith, also deserves mention.

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** Germans Love 40k As Well: Next to ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' - -- of course - Warhammer 40,000 -- ''Warhammer 40,000'' ranks as one of the most popular {{Tabletop Game}}s known in Germany. This may have to do with the considerably German middle ages-styled Imperium, the imagery and the tanks of the Astra Militarum.
** Russians Love The Imperium: Warhammer 40k ''Warhammer 40k'' is rather popular among Russians -- it is unofficially reported that Russia has a the second largest W40k ''W40k'' fanbase after the US. Russians tend to like {{Crapsack World}}s because of life in Russia never being too easy, and 40k in particular because of strong similarities of between the Imperium of Man and Russia during different historical periods. The Imperial Aquila is similar to the Russian Double-Headed Eagle, and the universe has lots of {{ShoutOut}}s {{Shout Out}}s to something Russian history (Valhallans, Vostroyans, some planet or character names, etc.). The fact that most Russians see an autocratic rule as not so much a dystopian future than as something that could finally get things in order may also help. However, the tabletop part of W40k ''W40k'' hobby is considered somewhat expensive in Russia, so it is less popular then than novels and video games set in the universe. The unique phenomenon of several heavy metal bands whose songs are solely dedicated to Warhammer 40k universe, e.g. Hmkids or Hammer of Faith, also deserves mention.



** During the late 90s/early 2000s, a series of fluff articles about the various SpaceMarine chapters and Traitor legions was run in ''Magazine/WhiteDwarf'' magazine. The Word Bearers article claimed it was unique amonst the Traitor Legions in that its Chaplains were also corrupted, instead of being slain for their defiance in the face of heresy. Come the ''Literature/HorusHeresy'' novels, and it turns out that the Word Bearers have "Traitor Chaplains" because they were the only Legion to ''have'' Chaplains prior to the Heresy -- and these Chaplains were actually instrumental in corrupting them in the first place.

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** During the late 90s/early 2000s, a series of fluff articles about the various SpaceMarine chapters and Traitor legions was run in ''Magazine/WhiteDwarf'' magazine. The Word Bearers article claimed it was unique amonst amongst the Traitor Legions in that its Chaplains were also corrupted, instead of being slain for their defiance in the face of heresy. Come the ''Literature/HorusHeresy'' novels, and it turns out that the Word Bearers have "Traitor Chaplains" because they were the only Legion to ''have'' Chaplains prior to the Heresy -- and these Chaplains were actually instrumental in corrupting them in the first place.
16th Feb '17 3:44:09 AM SebastianGray
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*** [[spoiler: Nope! She comes back...and it turns out he had MIND CONTROLLED her! Inquistor Greyfax kills her, and subsequently ends up being the 'face' of the Inquisition in models.]]
15th Feb '17 8:55:57 PM MitchellTF
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*** [[spoiler: Nope! She comes back...and it turns out he had MIND CONTROLLED her! Inquistor Greyfax kills her, and subsequently ends up being the 'face' of the Inquisition in models.]]


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** And, in the setting, the Gathering Storm books consist of changing numerous things, including killing major characters, wiping out planets, and more.
15th Feb '17 8:50:28 PM MitchellTF
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** The Adepta Sororitas, aka the Sisters of Battle, are extremely popular with some segments of the fanbase, with widely liked fluff and models, but have been completely sidelined by the company, with no physical codex or new models released since 2004, and 1/4th as many units as any other main codex. At least until 2013, when a new codex was released.

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** The Adepta Sororitas, aka the Sisters of Battle, are extremely popular with some segments of the fanbase, with widely liked fluff and models, but have been completely sidelined by the company, with no physical codex or new models released since 2004, and 1/4th as many units as any other main codex. At least until 2013, when a new codex was released. And new plastic miniatures.
15th Feb '17 8:45:20 PM MitchellTF
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** You know what? Every single decision anyone makes, and every new setting detail, pretty much splits the fanbase in two. The 40K fanbase can't agree about ANYTHING.
15th Feb '17 8:43:25 PM MitchellTF
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** "The End Times" has actually been an attempt at this. After waning sales, and serious issues with stagnation, they appear to be trying to get stuff happening. Games Workshop is bringing back the primarchs, finally instituting the 13th crusade again, and after 17 years, moving the timeline into the 41st millenium. Time will tell if this actually increases sales.
3rd Feb '17 8:33:07 PM KingClark
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** Ultramarines are generic or the view the Space Marine codex devolved into an Ultramarines Codex. The issue is fluff-wise, as Rouboute Guilliman, the primarch of the Ultramarines, wrote the Codex Astartes, which is the guide used by Space Marines to dictate the tactics, equipment, and strategy used in battle. Any other chapter using those rules is generic, but even if Ultramarines had a unique codex, it would look exactly like the generic Space Marine codex. The non-generic chapters are defined by how they differ from the Ultramarines. The first 2nd Edition Space Marine codex was Codex: Ultramarines, which makes the entire situation even funnier.

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** Ultramarines are generic or the view the Space Marine codex devolved into an Ultramarines Codex. The issue is fluff-wise, as Rouboute Roboute Guilliman, the primarch Primarch of the Ultramarines, wrote the Codex Astartes, which is the guide used by Space Marines to dictate the tactics, equipment, and strategy used in battle. Any other chapter using those rules is generic, but even if Ultramarines had a unique codex, it would look exactly like the generic Space Marine codex. The non-generic chapters are defined by how they differ from the Ultramarines. The first 2nd Edition Space Marine codex was Codex: Ultramarines, which makes the entire situation even funnier.
2nd Feb '17 10:46:29 PM Deathhacker
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Ultramarines are generic or the view the Space Marine codex devolved into an Ultramarines Codex. The issue is fluff-wise, as Rouboute Guilliman, the primarch of the Ultramarines, wrote the Codex Astartes, which is the guide used by Space Marines to dictate the tactics, equipment, and strategy used in battle. Any other chapter using those rules is generic, but even if Ultramarines had a unique codex, it would look exactly like the generic Space Marine codex. The non-generic chapters are defined by how they differ from the Ultramarines. The first 2nd Edition Space Marine codex was Codex: Ultramarines, which makes the entire situation even funnier.

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Ultramarines are generic or the view the Space Marine codex devolved into an Ultramarines Codex. The issue is fluff-wise, as Rouboute Guilliman, the primarch of the Ultramarines, wrote the Codex Astartes, which is the guide used by Space Marines to dictate the tactics, equipment, and strategy used in battle. Any other chapter using those rules is generic, but even if Ultramarines had a unique codex, it would look exactly like the generic Space Marine codex. The non-generic chapters are defined by how they differ from the Ultramarines. The first 2nd Edition Space Marine codex was Codex: Ultramarines, which makes the entire situation even funnier.
** Most newcomers are puzzled as to why the Space Marine bolt gun is described as a self-propelled rocket launcher and the Eldar's armor being described as strong but lightweight, despite the former being barely usable outside of very situational moments facing hordes and the latter being no different than the tissue paper armor that Orks and Guardsmen wear. This is because the system was originally based off of the Warhammer Fantasy system, where the basic humans (the Imperial Guard) are considered the baseline, and their equipment were seen as top of the line. Space Marines, meanwhile, were suppose to be superhuman elite soldiers, as the majority of Fantasy models with similar stats would never be basic troopers. However with the popularity of Space Marines, ''they'' instead became the baseline to which everything else is measured by. If you consider the average Guardsman to be the "standard" profile for everything, rather than the profile of the weakest spammable troop in the game, suddenly every bit of the lore makes sense.
2nd Feb '17 10:40:52 PM Deathhacker
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** In-Universe, Horus rebelled against the Emperor because he was given a vision of the Emperor ruling as a god among a superstitious people and the great Imperium the two forged will be fractured and dying, and Horus's name would be forgotten. What he didn't know is that the galactic civil war he enacted trying to dethrone the emperor is what caused the emperor to be deified in the eyes of the Imperium, the civil war itself is what fractured the empire, and his name would be forgotten or cursed specifically because he started it all.
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