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5th Feb '16 3:26:09 PM TempestKnight
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** The setting can just as easily subvert this, however. The sheer amounts of CrazyAwesome, RuleOfCool and parody elements can [[CrossesTheLineTwice take it from depressing to gloriously hilarious]].
31st Jan '16 5:54:22 PM MinisterOfSinister
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** The Necron Monolith, which is nothing less than an {{Ancient Egypt}}ian pyramid with a massive green lightning blast as its primary weapon and the facilities to transport Necron troops onto the battlefield. More than any other unit in the game it embodies the pure RuleOfCool that defines and shapes the insane world of 40k.
16th Jan '16 11:20:46 PM Willbyr
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** By 4th or 5th edition, some of the new codices are just [[CurbStompBattle merciless]] and [[ButtMonkey humiliating]] for the Eldar.
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** By In 4th or 5th edition, some of the new codices are just were [[CurbStompBattle merciless]] and [[ButtMonkey humiliating]] for the Eldar.Eldar. However, by 7th edition the Eldar became a ''very'' powerful army.
15th Jan '16 4:43:18 AM MinisterOfSinister
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** Necron Pariahs were some of the most powerful troops and their presence added to the CosmicHorrorStory of the Necrons. Not only were they removed from the game altogether in the ever-divisive 5th Edition codex, but the the inception within humanity of the Pariah gene that led to their creation by the C'tan was dissociated from the faction altogether. Necron fans... didnt't take this well.
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** Necron Pariahs were some of the most powerful troops and their presence added to the CosmicHorrorStory of the Necrons. Not only were they removed from the game altogether in the ever-divisive 5th Edition codex, but the the inception within humanity of the Pariah gene within humanity that led to their creation by the C'tan was dissociated from the faction altogether. Necron fans... didnt't didn't take this well.
28th Dec '15 12:02:18 AM WillBGood
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** Recent Horus Heresy books have brought back Ollanius Pius (aka the epitome of a BadassNormal), the Guardsman who stood up to Horus on the latter's battle barge in a doomed LastStand after Horus had just defeated the Emperor, but have made him a Perpetual, a [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld 30,000 year old being]] with ResurrectiveImmortality. People feel rather strongly about whether or not this was a positive change. On one hand, some feels it empties the entire point, a normal dude standing up against a Primarch, HoldTheLine at it's finest, and him dying standing in the name of the Emperor; on the other hand, many people have pointed out the sheer stupidity of the act alone, and wonder how did a lone guardsmen got inside the Vengeful Spirit that at this point was completely affected by the Warp that even the Primarchs could barely deal with it properly (which is why Sanguinius and Dorn got separated). Other fans are just waiting to see what will happen.
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** Recent Horus Heresy books have brought back Ollanius Pius (aka the epitome of a BadassNormal), the Guardsman who stood up to Horus on the latter's battle barge in a doomed LastStand after Horus had just defeated the Emperor, but have made him a Perpetual, a [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld 30,000 year old being]] with ResurrectiveImmortality. People feel rather strongly about whether or not this was a positive change. On one hand, some feels it empties the entire point, a normal dude standing up against a Primarch, HoldTheLine at it's its finest, and him dying standing in the name of the Emperor; on the other hand, many people have pointed out the sheer stupidity of the act alone, and wonder how did a lone guardsmen got inside the Vengeful Spirit that at this point was completely affected by the Warp that even the Primarchs could barely deal with it properly (which is why Sanguinius and Dorn got separated). Other fans are just waiting to see what will happen.

** Happens a lot with the Eldar and Tau, as well. Quite a few people view the Eldar a bit ''too'' sympathetically, and gloss over their numerous atrocities, not to mention that a good portion of the galaxy's woes can be blamed solely on them. As for the Tau, well, some people really do consider it a rather pleasant place to live, nevermind that it's got a very [[UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire British Empire]]-esque policy on natives; if you're a human or Kroot, you won't be exterminated, and you won't exactly be a slave, but you'll still get quite a rough deal from people who look down on you.
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** Happens a lot with the Eldar and Tau, as well. Quite a few people view the Eldar a bit ''too'' sympathetically, and gloss over their numerous atrocities, not to mention that a good portion of the galaxy's woes can be blamed solely on them. As for the Tau, well, some people really do consider it a rather pleasant place to live, nevermind never mind that it's got a very [[UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire British Empire]]-esque policy on natives; if you're a human or Kroot, you won't be exterminated, and you won't exactly be a slave, but you'll still get quite a rough deal from people who look down on you.
22nd Dec '15 11:48:57 AM TheNerfGuy
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Mary Sue and it's subcategories are now Flame Bait.
* MaryTzu: Can often occur given the attempts to make [[TheStrategist certain strategists]] look good. ** ''[[Memes/TabletopGames Creeeeed!!!]]'' ** Tzeentch, although it's justified since he is after all the god of scheming and has access to things that allow him to see the future. ** The Emperor and the Primarchs. Somewhat justified, as the Emperor had 40,000 years to refine military tactics, while the Primarchs were ''designed'' to be that and had the Emperor to teach them. ** Commander Shadowsun of the Tau Empire. Led a Tau armada against a Tyranid splinter fleet and [[FlawlessVictory wiped it out without losing a single ship]]. Made more impressive by the fact that she's a Fire caste commander, so she had ''no'' experience in space combat. Sweet Jesus. ** Imhotek's profile lists him as having an ability to predict a battle, then descends into GambitRoulette territory with how he's supposedly able to predict every single move, feint, counter feint, advance, and any other move an army either side can make with such an implausible ability that borders on omniscience.

* PuritySue: ** The Ultramarines and Grey Knights have been accused of this under Matt Ward. Sanguinius, on the other hand, embodies many of the common traits, yet his {{badass}}ery and heroic reputation leave most fans with the conclusion that he was [[TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth Too Good For This Sinful Universe]]. ** The Chaos warband known as "The Flawless Host" seem to be either a StealthParody or {{deconstruction}} of this. They were so convinced of their IncorruptiblePurePureness they deluded themselves into thinking they were {{Invincible Hero}}es, and used that as an excuse to slaughter anyone they didn't like. They eventually ended up turning to Slaanesh.

* VillainSue: The Necrons ''used'' to be this until their BadassDecay. Tyranids are accused of this now, since it's been stated that if they win, theyll consume all the flesh and weaponry left behind by the loser, casualties are nothing to them, {{Enemy Civil War}}s are nothing to them -- little more than an unorthodox testing session for new tactics and biomorphs -- and they are stated to constantly adapt to most any new threat presented to them.
18th Dec '15 11:51:25 PM damus2300
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** Fulgrim killed a Primarch, wrestled back control of his body from daemon possession, became a Daemon Prince then killed another Primarch.
15th Dec '15 2:10:20 AM jormis29
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** During the late 90s/early 2000s, a series of fluff articles about the various SpaceMarine chapters and Traitor legions was run in White Dwarf magazine. The Word Bearers article claimed it was unique amonst the Traitor Legions in that its Chaplains were also corrupted, instead of being slain for their defiance in the face of heresy. Come the ''Literature/HorusHeresy'' novels, and it turns out that the Word Bearers have "Traitor Chaplains" because they were the only Legion to ''have'' Chaplains prior to the Heresy -- and these Chaplains were actually instrumental in corrupting them in the first place.
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** During the late 90s/early 2000s, a series of fluff articles about the various SpaceMarine chapters and Traitor legions was run in White Dwarf ''Magazine/WhiteDwarf'' magazine. The Word Bearers article claimed it was unique amonst the Traitor Legions in that its Chaplains were also corrupted, instead of being slain for their defiance in the face of heresy. Come the ''Literature/HorusHeresy'' novels, and it turns out that the Word Bearers have "Traitor Chaplains" because they were the only Legion to ''have'' Chaplains prior to the Heresy -- and these Chaplains were actually instrumental in corrupting them in the first place.

* NeverLiveItDown: Matt Ward will probably never live down the number of GameBreaker codexes he wrote. Grey Knights is the infamous one, not least because its GameBreaker aspects were compounded by the now-notorious accompanying fluff. He's also become truly infamous for the White Dwarf interview in which he stated ''all'' Space Marines see the primarch of the Ultramarines as their spiritual liege. It's to the point that fans speculate the reason Games Workshop no longer credits individual writers for codexes is because any book with his name on it is destined to be savaged by the fans.
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* NeverLiveItDown: Matt Ward will probably never live down the number of GameBreaker codexes he wrote. Grey Knights is the infamous one, not least because its GameBreaker aspects were compounded by the now-notorious accompanying fluff. He's also become truly infamous for the White Dwarf ''Magazine/WhiteDwarf'' interview in which he stated ''all'' Space Marines see the primarch of the Ultramarines as their spiritual liege. It's to the point that fans speculate the reason Games Workshop no longer credits individual writers for codexes is because any book with his name on it is destined to be savaged by the fans.
28th Nov '15 2:07:27 PM MinisterOfSinister
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** The Tyranids' 6th Edition codex has removed a good number of their deployment options and a good number of their most powerful units, including the Doom of Malan'tai (although to be fair, Malan'tai in a spore pod was fairly cheesy). They've been significantly nerfed, and were a low tier army ''before'' the update, knocking them down to bottom tier along with the Sisters of Battle. So much for the "Great Devourer".
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** The Tyranids' 6th Edition codex has removed a good number of their deployment options and a good number of their most powerful units, including the Doom of Malan'tai (although to be fair, Malan'tai in a spore pod was fairly cheesy). They've been significantly nerfed, and were a low tier army ''before'' the update, knocking them down to bottom tier along with the Sisters of Battle. So much for the "Great Devourer". With that in mind, know that Robin Cruddace, who wrote the 5th and 6th edition codices for the Tyranids, is a massive Imperial Guard fan and went so far as to add a battle report stating that the Tyranids were beaten by a Tau cadre who tricked them down disadvantageous evolutionary paths. ''In their own codex''. Information provided without comment.
26th Nov '15 8:09:29 PM nombretomado
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** The Necrons in general have been steadily losing their mystery and power since being introduced, possibly due to their lack of a recent codex and their original overpowered status. In SandyMitchell's ''Literature/CiaphasCain'' (HERO OF THE IMPERIUM) books, the Necrons are still virtually unstoppable nightmares and the only thing that Cain absolutely will not fight unless there's no alternative. Their fifth edition codex turned them into bitter individuals who want to become flesh again and merely want to reconquer their empire when they're not busy infighting, instead of unstoppable {{Omnicidal Maniac}}s who will stop at NOTHING for destroying every living things in the galaxy. It is also emphasized a lot more than before that they suffered many losses during their long sleep. Whether or not this new direction was a good thing is a ''huge'' BaseBreaker.
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** The Necrons in general have been steadily losing their mystery and power since being introduced, possibly due to their lack of a recent codex and their original overpowered status. In SandyMitchell's Creator/SandyMitchell's ''Literature/CiaphasCain'' (HERO OF THE IMPERIUM) books, the Necrons are still virtually unstoppable nightmares and the only thing that Cain absolutely will not fight unless there's no alternative. Their fifth edition codex turned them into bitter individuals who want to become flesh again and merely want to reconquer their empire when they're not busy infighting, instead of unstoppable {{Omnicidal Maniac}}s who will stop at NOTHING for destroying every living things in the galaxy. It is also emphasized a lot more than before that they suffered many losses during their long sleep. Whether or not this new direction was a good thing is a ''huge'' BaseBreaker.
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