History YMMV / Warhammer40000

9th Aug '16 11:53:54 PM Anddrix
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** The Necrons in general have been steadily losing their mystery and power since being introduced, possibly due to their lack of a recent codex and their original overpowered status. In Creator/SandyMitchell's ''Literature/CiaphasCain'' (HERO OF THE IMPERIUM) books, the Necrons are still virtually unstoppable nightmares and the only thing that Cain absolutely will not fight unless there's no alternative. Their fifth edition codex turned them into bitter individuals who want to become flesh again and merely want to reconquer their empire when they're not busy infighting, instead of unstoppable {{Omnicidal Maniac}}s who will stop at NOTHING for destroying every living things in the galaxy. It is also emphasized a lot more than before that they suffered many losses during their long sleep. Whether or not this new direction was a good thing is a ''huge'' BaseBreaker.

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** The Necrons in general have been steadily losing their mystery and power since being introduced, possibly due to their lack of a recent codex and their original overpowered status. In Creator/SandyMitchell's ''Literature/CiaphasCain'' (HERO OF THE IMPERIUM) books, the Necrons are still virtually unstoppable nightmares and the only thing that Cain absolutely will not fight unless there's no alternative. Their fifth edition codex turned them into bitter individuals who want to become flesh again and merely want to reconquer their empire when they're not busy infighting, instead of unstoppable {{Omnicidal Maniac}}s who will stop at NOTHING for destroying every living things in the galaxy. It is also emphasized a lot more than before that they suffered many losses during their long sleep. Whether or not this new direction was a good thing is a ''huge'' BaseBreaker.''hugely divisive''.



* CreatorsPet: The Ultramarines are the JackOfAllStats of the Space Marines, being a good and noble chapter with no glaring strengths or weaknesses. Authors largely agree that they should have a flaw to balance that out (such as pride, dogmatism, or arrogance), [[DependingOnTheWriter but they have difficulty agreeing on which]]. Matt Ward, however, does not agree that they should have a flaw. As he will happily explain at great lengths, they are the best Space Marines, and their Primarch is the Spiritual Liege of all other chapters. Fluff written by him tends to focus on the Ultramarines disproportionately, with other Space Marine factions in awe of their skill and abilities. Any individuals who dislike them are quickly proven wrong and/or evil. Unfortunately, (or fortunately) this [[BaseBreaker hurt Matt in the long run]].

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* CreatorsPet: The Ultramarines are the JackOfAllStats of the Space Marines, being a good and noble chapter with no glaring strengths or weaknesses. Authors largely agree that they should have a flaw to balance that out (such as pride, dogmatism, or arrogance), [[DependingOnTheWriter but they have difficulty agreeing on which]]. Matt Ward, however, does not agree that they should have a flaw. As he will happily explain at great lengths, they are the best Space Marines, and their Primarch is the Spiritual Liege of all other chapters. Fluff written by him tends to focus on the Ultramarines disproportionately, with other Space Marine factions in awe of their skill and abilities. Any individuals who dislike them are quickly proven wrong and/or evil. Unfortunately, (or fortunately) this [[BaseBreaker hurt Matt in the long run]].run.
31st Jul '16 6:04:18 PM Deathhacker
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** Orks, Tyranids and even Necrons at one point suffered this, due to the old philosophy of painting models in bright colors to make them stand out on the tabletop (and partially because the range of colors back then were very bright). The models of this time were also more wacky (Goff Rockers being one of the most prominent)in design as well and looked like they walked right out of Saturday morning cartoons. Modern paintjobs favour subdued pallets with only a few contrasting colors and overall more realistic paint schemes, and the designs of models have become more uniformed and unique.
31st Jul '16 5:58:53 PM Deathhacker
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** The Salamanders went from a relatively unknown first founding chapters to one of the more popular ones due to recent fluff portraying them as champions of humanity; unlike other space marine chapters they are often found to defend the weak rather than parade their superiority over others. It helps that in 5th edition they received Vulkan He'Stan, who made Salamanders one of the more powerful Space Marine armies.
31st Jul '16 5:39:37 PM Deathhacker
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** The Space Elves of this universe managed to squick a literal god of sex into existence. And that was ''before'' the galaxy went to shit.
31st Jul '16 5:29:27 PM Deathhacker
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** Every single Codex writer have been subjected to broken bases as well; most notably Matt Ward who was known for making nonsensical plot twists and the occasional imbalanced codex, but was actually good at internal balance (i.e: very rarely is one unit dramatically better than all others) and buffed a lot of armies that once languished as "weak" or underpowered. On the flip side, Phil Kelly is often noted for good consistent story telling and his codexes are noted to rarely be overpowered or underpowered, but often rely on a specific combo of units, in turn making them very mono-build and not very creative. And of course, everything in between and exceptions about only muddle the issue, as proponents of each writer will point to their good works while ignoring the bad, and vice versa for their detractors.
11th Jul '16 1:30:41 AM SebastianGray
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* DuellingWorks: With the ''TabletopGame/MutantChronicles''. Both have TheLegionsOfHell screwing over mankind, armies of CannonFodder, and grimdark coming out the ears, but MC is far more secular and compact, whereas 40k is a galaxy wide, aeon spanning epic that's religeous mumbo-jumbo down to the bone marrow. 40k wins, since it's got a huge ammount of supplementary novels, spinoffs, and computer games, whereas Mutant Chronicles has a movie TheyJustDidntCare about and a brutally difficult SNES game.
11th Jul '16 1:12:06 AM dvorak
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* DuellingWorks: With the ''TabletopGame/MutantChronicles''. Both have TheLegionsOfHell screwing over mankind, armies of CannonFodder, and grimdark coming out the ears, but MC is far more secular and compact, whereas 40k is a galaxy wide, aeon spanning epic that's religeous mumbo-jumbo down to the bone marrow. 40k wins, since it's got a huge ammount of supplementary novels, spinoffs, and computer games, whereas Mutant Chronicles has a movie TheyJustDidntCare about and a brutally difficult SNES game.
21st Jun '16 8:01:42 PM MarqFJA
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** The popular fan-pairing of a nameless Vindicare and an Eldar Farseer from Dawn of War. Enough to receive several nods in Dark HEresy!

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** The popular fan-pairing of a nameless Vindicare and an Eldar Farseer from Dawn of War. Enough to receive several nods in Dark HEresy!''TabletopGame/DarkHeresy''!
1st Jun '16 2:01:57 AM Ilya_Rysenkov
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** The Tau and Eldar are about the only factions who even realize there ''is'' one, and the Eldar [[CantArgueWithElves don't think it applies to anyone]] ''[[CantArgueWithElves else]]''

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** The Tau and Eldar are about the only factions who even realize there ''is'' one, and the Eldar [[CantArgueWithElves don't think it applies to anyone]] ''[[CantArgueWithElves else]]''else]]''.
17th May '16 11:24:59 PM darkknight109
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** The Tau Ethereal was also a unit noted for its uselessness. It was not a particularly useful model at the best of time and if the opponent killed it, it inflicted an army-wide debuff that could cause your battleline to crumble. The Ethereal was noted for being one of the only units in 40k that actually made your army measurably worse by its inclusion.

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** The Tau Ethereal was also a unit noted for its uselessness. It was not a particularly useful model at the best of time and if the opponent killed it, it inflicted an army-wide debuff that could cause your battleline to crumble. The Ethereal was noted for being one of the only units in 40k that didn't just settle for being useless and actually made the rest of your army measurably worse by its inclusion.
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