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** [[spoiler:Takatsuki]] at the end of the manga. Fans don't know what pronoun to use.
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** Many fans are calling DeathOfTheAuthor [[spoiler:about Takatsuki not considering themselves a boy by the end of the manga.]] Also to a lesser extent [[spoiler:because [[FanPreferredCouple Takatsuki/Saori]] never occurred]].
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** Takatsuki in late high school [[spoiler:It's eventually decided she'd rather live as a girl, though whether that's true or not is a BaseBreaker. The manga treats being feminine with being a girl, instead of letting her stay masculine/androgynous and saying she's a girl despite her gender presentation.]] ''AoiHana'' had a similar issue with a butch character.
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* BrokenBase: The way Takatsuki is treated after middle school is polarizing within the fandom.
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* LGBTFanbase
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Bittersweet Ending isn\'t a YMMV trope. Moving.
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* BittersweetEnding: The manga. On the plus side [[spoiler:Nitori is going to transition, she's going to college, and she's still dating Anna. Kanako is dating her grade school crush and Mako's end is rather ambiguous but still not negative.]] On the opposing side [[spoiler:Takatsuki's friendship with Nitori has diminished through the years, she has an unrequited love for her, and she is confused about no longer wanting to be a man.]]
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* BittersweetEnding: The manga. On the plus side [[spoiler:Nitori is going to transition, she's going to college, and she's still dating Anna. Kanako is dating her grade school crush and Mako's end is rather ambiguous but still not negative.]] On the opposing side [[spoiler:Takatsuki's friendship with Nitori has diminished through the years, she has an unrequited love for her, and she is confused about no longer wanting to be a man.]]
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more trans mistakes.
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* TearJerker: The series could easily be called "TearJerker - The Manga", especially for transgendered readers.
* UnfortunateImplications: The anime's last episode can be seen as anti-transgendered or prejudiced.
* UnfortunateImplications: The anime's last episode can be seen as anti-transgendered or prejudiced.
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* TearJerker: The series could easily be called "TearJerker - The Manga", especially for transgendered transgender readers.
* UnfortunateImplications: The anime's last episode can be seen asanti-transgendered or prejudiced. transphobic.
* UnfortunateImplications: The anime's last episode can be seen as
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transgender, not transgendered. :)
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: It's a realistic story about transsexuality and puberty, that includes other parts of the [=LGBT=]. So many people are used to the slapstick "He's a trap!" type series that ''WanderingSon'' comes off as this, especially to people clueless and ignorant about transgendered issues.
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: It's a realistic story about transsexuality and puberty, that includes other parts of the [=LGBT=]. So many people are used to the slapstick "He's a trap!" type series that ''WanderingSon'' comes off as this, especially to people clueless and ignorant about transgendered transgender issues.
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if this should be moved to \"discussion\" I\'m cool with that.
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*** But as readers we ''do'' see what's going on inside the characters' heads, and they don't think of themselves as other than their assigned gender but rather as ''wanting'' to be other than their assigned gender. You can argue that this is a limitation based on their social upbringing in a cissexist society (and it definitely is), but if the use of pronouns is to reflect the way the characters consider themselves, then respecting their still-nascent understandings of their gender identity should also be important. If they are still using their assigned gender pronouns ''in their own thoughts'', then switching the pronouns to fit the Western understanding of how gender works can become an ethnocentric imposition. Regardless -- it's a tricky question, and very emotional for people who've been in Nitori and Takatsuki's situation.
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* NeedsMoreLove: It garnered some attention when the anime premiered, but quickly was quickly overshadowed by ''PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''.
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* NeedsMoreLove: It garnered some attention when the anime premiered, but quickly was quickly overshadowed by ''PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''.''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''.
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* FauxSymbolism: Almost all colored artworks show the boy uniforms as being pastel colors, when they're traditionally black. The anime, and the shading used in the manga, imply that they are black. It could be symbolically referring to their personalities, but it seems like it's just for artistic value (the artworks often are watercolored too, so it's a theme). Though considering how Shimura is with shading, they really could be pastel.
* FoeYay: Takatsuki and Chiba in middle school, Doi and Shuuichi.
* FoeYay: Takatsuki and Chiba in middle school, Doi and Shuuichi.
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** There's been discussion on the wiki about whether to refer to the transgender characters by their biological sex (Nitorin is "he" & Takatsuki is "she") or by their correct mental genders (Nitorin is "she" & Takatsuki is "he"). As noted in the main page, the general consensus, for the sake of simplicity, is to simply match what's used in-story (Shuuichi "he" / Yoshino "she").
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** There's been discussion on the wiki about whether to refer to the transgender characters by their biological sex (Nitorin (Nitori is "he" & Takatsuki is "she") or by their correct mental genders (Nitorin (Nitori is "she" & Takatsuki is "he"). As noted in the main page, the general consensus, for the sake of simplicity, is to simply match what's used in-story (Shuuichi "he" / Yoshino "she").
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* PronounTrouble: Meta example. There's been discussion on the wiki about whether to refer to the transgender characters by their biological sex (Nitorin is "he" & Takatsuki is "she") or by their correct mental genders (Nitorin is "she" & Takatsuki is "he"). As noted in the main page, the general consensus, for the sake of simplicity, is to simply match what's used in-story (Shuuichi "he" / Yoshino "she").
** Yuki is more straightforward, as she lives as a woman, is implied to have had surgery, and everyone in-story refers to her as "she" even after knowing her original gender.
** Yuki is more straightforward, as she lives as a woman, is implied to have had surgery, and everyone in-story refers to her as "she" even after knowing her original gender.
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* PronounTrouble: Meta example. While not strictly a YMMV Trope, with this series the issue tends to be within the fandom than in-story.
** There's been discussion on the wiki about whether to refer to the transgender characters by their biological sex (Nitorin is "he" & Takatsuki is "she") or by their correct mental genders (Nitorin is "she" & Takatsuki is "he"). As noted in the main page, the general consensus, for the sake of simplicity, is to simply match what's used in-story (Shuuichi "he" / Yoshino"she").
** Yuki is more straightforward, as she lives as a woman, is implied to have had surgery, and everyone in-story refers to her as "she" even after knowing her original gender."she").
** There's been discussion on the wiki about whether to refer to the transgender characters by their biological sex (Nitorin is "he" & Takatsuki is "she") or by their correct mental genders (Nitorin is "she" & Takatsuki is "he"). As noted in the main page, the general consensus, for the sake of simplicity, is to simply match what's used in-story (Shuuichi "he" / Yoshino
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** Either way, there's little argument with Yuki. Yuki is more straightforward in that she lives as a woman, is implied to have had surgery, and everyone in-story refers to her as "she" even after knowing her original gender.
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* PronounTrouble: Meta example. There's been discussion on the wiki about whether to refer to the transgender characters by their biological sex (Nitorin is "he" & Takatsuki is "she") or by their correct mental genders (Nitorin is "she" & Takatsuki is "he"). As noted in the main page, the general consensus, for the sake of simplicity, is to simply match what's used in-story (Shuuichi "he" / Yoshino "she").
** Yuki is more straightforward, as she lives as a woman, is implied to have had surgery, and everyone in-story refers to her as "she" even after knowing her original gender.
** An argument against this consensus is that what is used in the manga technically shouldn't control how the audience refers to them because we have more knowledge about them than other characters within the series, and even though they are still closeted there is no good excuse not to respect their proper genders when we have the information to know better, "getting the surgery" is not a factor when deciding if you should call someone by the correct pronouns, and is a cissexist sentiment.
** Yuki is more straightforward, as she lives as a woman, is implied to have had surgery, and everyone in-story refers to her as "she" even after knowing her original gender.
** An argument against this consensus is that what is used in the manga technically shouldn't control how the audience refers to them because we have more knowledge about them than other characters within the series, and even though they are still closeted there is no good excuse not to respect their proper genders when we have the information to know better, "getting the surgery" is not a factor when deciding if you should call someone by the correct pronouns, and is a cissexist sentiment.
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* TrueArtIsRealistic: Many reviewers praise this series for its downright SliceOfLife realism. However, a few people find the series to be too realistic in the sense that it's too boring.
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* TheScrappy: Fumiya and Momoko.
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* TheScrappy: Fumiya and Momoko. Chiba has her fair share of haters but she's more-so a BaseBreaker than anything.
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* InternetBackdraft: Going onto /a/ on a Tuesday (or Wednesday), going into a "Taka Tuesday" thread, and even mentioning hentai isn't exactly a good idea. You'll get near {{Yotsuba}} levels of backlash and {{Squick}}. On a more general note, it's not best to try and discuss the characters sexual orientations if you don't want a debate to arise.
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** For some people, Fumiya was redeemed after years of Saori's harsh remarks pointed at him seemingly got through to him, and the guy ''finally'' realized that he could be viewed as annoying. [[YourMileageMayVary However]], for other people, this sunk him deeper into the Scrappy pit.
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** For some people, Fumiya was redeemed after years of Saori's harsh remarks pointed at him seemingly got through to him, and the guy ''finally'' realized that he could be viewed as annoying. [[YourMileageMayVary However]], for other people, this sunk him deeper into the Scrappy pit.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: The series is actually {{Seinen}}. It however has been referred to as being aimed at kids, and is occasionally mistaken for ''{{Shojo}}''.
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* ItChangedNowItSucks: Many manga fans feel this way toward the anime for its various changes. Fans think of it as even an AlternateUniverse from the manga at best; at worst they just [[FanonDiscontinuity discontinue]] it.
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* ItChangedNowItSucks: Many manga fans feel this way toward the anime for its various changes. Fans think of it as even an AlternateUniverse from the manga at best; at worst they just [[FanonDiscontinuity discontinue]] it.pretend it doesn't exist]].
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Chiba. After several volumes of being a TheScrappy example due to her temper and attitude, she was rescued near the end of middle school when she began cooling her head and rekindling her friendships.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Chiba. After several volumes of being a LoveItOrHateIt deal due to her temper and attitude, she was rescued near the end of middle school when she began cooling her head and rekindling her friendships.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Chiba. After several volumes of being a LoveItOrHateIt deal TheScrappy example due to her temper and attitude, she was rescued near the end of middle school when she began cooling her head and rekindling her friendships.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Takatsuki/Chiba is the most popular pairing in the manga, though Takatsuki/Nitori is quite popular too; Doi/Nitori is gaining popularity. Chiba/Nitori however gets little-to-no appreciation by fans, and Anna/Nitori is a LoveItOrHateIt deal.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Takatsuki/Chiba is the most popular pairing in the manga, though Takatsuki/Nitori is quite popular too; Doi/Nitori is gaining popularity. Chiba/Nitori however gets little-to-no appreciation by fans, and Anna/Nitori is a LoveItOrHateIt deal.
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* FlameBait: It's a series that centers around transgenderism. It's guaranteed to have this happen.
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* FanDumb / MisaimedFandom: A lot of fans of the series completely fail to understand that the series is about two transsexuals... The Mangafox forums have a lot of comments about Nitori being gay, how she should stay male, and things like that.
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* MisaimedFandom: Aside from whats mentioned above, a part of the fanbase believes it's a {{Shojo}} romance manga, when it's {{Seinen}} and not romantic.
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* MisaimedFandom: Aside from whats what's mentioned above, a part of the fanbase believes it's a {{Shojo}} romance manga, when it's {{Seinen}} and not romantic.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Takatsuki/Chiba is the most popular pairing in the manga, though Takatsuki/Nitori is quite popular too. However Chiba/Nitori gets little-to-no appreciation by fans.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Takatsuki/Chiba is the most popular pairing in the manga, though Takatsuki/Nitori is quite popular too. However too; Doi/Nitori is gaining popularity. Chiba/Nitori however gets little-to-no appreciation by fans.fans, and Anna/Nitori is a LoveItOrHateIt deal.
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* TheScrappy: Fumiya.
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* TheScrappy: Fumiya.Fumiya and Momoko.
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The ending theme to the anime, "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBlX9KKDIR0 For You]]" by RieFu.
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* MisaimedFandom: A Aside from whats mentioned above, a part of the fanbase believes it's a {{Shojo}} romance manga, when it's {{Seinen}} and not romantic.
