History YMMV / VorkosiganSaga

22nd Feb '16 8:42:10 AM psionycx
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** Which leads to a case of BrokenPedestal based on many reader reviews for ''Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen''. Quite a few fans feel this way about the revelation that Aral did not really have SingleTargetSexuality for Cordelia and that [[spoiler: the last two decades or so of their marriage was a threesome including his male aide Oliver Jole]]. Cordelia's pedestal seems to have been broken as well because [[spoiler: being a Betan she was quite okay with this, especially since she got to enjoy the GuyOnGuyIsHot in her marital bed. Many fans seem to have expected a more Barrayaran reaction of a WomanScorned from her. Even though in-story her internal monologue makes it clear that she considered ''characters'' who expected her to react this way to be getting worked up over nothing]].
13th Feb '16 6:35:41 PM Tir
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--->[[spoiler: Note that Aral(Miles's Father) is canonically bisexual (though monogamous) with a distinct preference for ''soldiers'' and on Barayar the only soldiers are men. Cordelia, as a Betan officer, provided Aral with a societally approved heterosexual relationship and the soldier he always wanted. (His term of affection for her is "my dear captain.") They are happily married because Cordelia is open-minded and knows him better than he knows himself, at least in this regard, and is willing to accept the things he can't admit. Miles has not heard any of this except possibly as rumors from his father's political enemies which he would probably discount as slander.]]

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--->[[spoiler: Note that Aral(Miles's Father) is canonically bisexual (though monogamous) with a distinct preference for ''soldiers'' and on Barayar the only soldiers are men. Cordelia, as a Betan officer, provided Aral with a societally approved heterosexual relationship and the soldier he always wanted. (His term of affection for her is "my dear captain.") They are happily married because Cordelia is open-minded and knows him better than he knows himself, at least in this regard, and is willing to accept the things he can't admit. Miles has not heard any of this except possibly as rumors from his father's political enemies which he would probably discount as slander.]]
5th Feb '16 9:03:06 AM Ciara25
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** The unnamed villain of ''Diplomatic Immunity'' poisoned the crew of a whole spaceship, and went on to cause the extremely horrible deaths of four people who had the bad luck to get in [[spoiler:its]] way, to say nothing of trying to make a scapegoat out of Barrayar and create war between it and the Cetagandan Empire - ''plus'' that little business with the [[spoiler:bomb in the concert hall]], the last of which was purely out of spite at having been caused so much trouble by the Quaddies. But their backstory is rather tragic; [[spoiler:as a genderless, genetically engineered servant, the ba had to spend its whole life witnessing all that was denied it - power, wealth, the right to breed - in the form of its younger, perfected sibling, ''the Emperor of Cetaganda.'' Then the late Empress, who actually did treat the ba somewhat like a 'real' child, died with her final plans unfulfilled. And, although it tried to start a new empire with itself as both Emperor and Empress, in order to bizarrely fulfill its late Empress' (and mother's) wishes, Miles also rather poignantly has the right of it: "In other words...the ba wanted children. In the only way it could...conceive."]]

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** The unnamed villain of ''Diplomatic Immunity'' poisoned the crew of a whole spaceship, and went on to cause the extremely horrible deaths of four people who had the bad luck to get in [[spoiler:its]] their way, to say nothing of trying to make a scapegoat out of Barrayar and create war between it the Barrayaran Empire and the Cetagandan Empire - ''plus'' that little business with the [[spoiler:bomb in the concert hall]], the last of which was purely out of spite at having been caused so much trouble by the Quaddies. But their backstory is rather tragic; [[spoiler:as a genderless, genetically engineered servant, the ba had to spend its whole life witnessing all that was denied it - power, wealth, the right to breed - in the form of its younger, perfected sibling, ''the Emperor of Cetaganda.'' Then the late Empress, who actually did treat the ba somewhat like a 'real' child, died with her final plans unfulfilled. And, although it tried to start a new empire with itself as both Emperor and Empress, in order to bizarrely fulfill its late Empress' (and mother's) wishes, Miles also rather poignantly has the right of it: "In other words...the ba wanted children. In the only way it could...conceive."]]
5th Sep '15 1:33:39 PM Morgenthaler
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* MemeticSexGod: Ivan; on Cetaganda at least. Especially impressive in light of the fact that Ivan's Cetagandan competition has been being genetically engineered toward perfection for centuries. It's probably not just his good looks. And this reputation withstands him being dosed with a drug to ensure TheLoinsSleepTonight. Let's just say Ivan is a CunningLinguist.
** More accurately, the drug causes the reputation. The attempt to satisfy Cetagandan ghem-ladies while, er, disabled, along with some convenient lies about the Barrayaran Art of Love, make Ivan's name on Cetaganda.
22nd Jun '15 2:29:26 PM Anddrix
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* OneSceneWonder: The medtech looking for her daughter at the end of ''Shards of Honor''. She ''really'' stands out in the entire series.
* ProtagonistCenteredMorality: Dona/Dono and Vormuir both exploit modern technology and the technicalities of Barrayaran law for their own political advantage, but Vormuir is regarded as evil (or at least wrong) and the heroes go to some trouble to wreck his scheme, while they support Dona and do their utmost to make his scheme stand up.
** On the other hand, Vormuir's scheme involved using eggs embezzled from a fertility clinic to ''mass-produce'' valuable daughters...while Dono's scheme was a desperate, last-ditch effort to prevent a rapist and murderer from usurping control of the district he'd been running for years. Both schemes did rely on an AintNoRule reading of outdated inheritance law, but it's otherwise difficult to draw moral equivalency between them.

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* OneSceneWonder: The medtech looking for her daughter at the end of ''Shards of Honor''. She ''really'' stands out in the entire series.
* ProtagonistCenteredMorality: Dona/Dono and Vormuir both exploit modern technology and the technicalities of Barrayaran law for their own political advantage, but Vormuir is regarded as evil (or at least wrong) and the heroes go to some trouble to wreck his scheme, while they support Dona and do their utmost to make his scheme stand up.
** On the other hand, Vormuir's scheme involved using eggs embezzled from a fertility clinic to ''mass-produce'' valuable daughters...while Dono's scheme was a desperate, last-ditch effort to prevent a rapist and murderer from usurping control of the district he'd been running for years. Both schemes did rely on an AintNoRule reading of outdated inheritance law, but it's otherwise difficult to draw moral equivalency between them.
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14th May '15 5:36:53 PM Noc
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* FairForItsDay : Most of the {{jerkass}} aspects of Piotr's personality are due to the ValuesDissonance between him and the "new generation", but in fact considering his background he's pretty progressive: he himself recognizes the need for Barrayar to go forward, and Miles, after having seen a glimpse of Barrayar's past on one of his missions, realize Piotr wasn't "the last of the old" but "the first of the new".

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* FairForItsDay : Most Pondered in-universe: most of the {{jerkass}} aspects of Piotr's personality are due to the ValuesDissonance between him and the "new generation", but in fact considering his background he's pretty progressive: he himself recognizes the need for Barrayar to go forward, and Miles, after having seen a glimpse of Barrayar's past on one of his missions, realize Piotr wasn't "the last of the old" but "the first of the new".


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** On the other hand, Vormuir's scheme involved using eggs embezzled from a fertility clinic to ''mass-produce'' valuable daughters...while Dono's scheme was a desperate, last-ditch effort to prevent a rapist and murderer from usurping control of the district he'd been running for years. Both schemes did rely on an AintNoRule reading of outdated inheritance law, but it's otherwise difficult to draw moral equivalency between them.
5th May '15 7:27:15 AM ACW
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** Ges Vorrutyer gets about twenty pages of screen time, and is still a memorable skin-crawler. His creepy obsession with tormenting and torturing his ex-boyfriend Aral takes him from "academically interested in watching a psychologically destroyed Bothari raping Cordelia Naismith on his say-so" to "willing and eager to do the deed himself" in a way that leaves even the normally very calm and balanced Cordelia absolutely terrified. Oh, and guess who broke Bothari in the first place? According to Aral, Ges broke Bothari in the first place, and did it twice: once before Bothari arrived at the Leper Colony, and again after only a few scant months when Bothari was reassigned.

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** Ges Vorrutyer gets about twenty pages of screen time, and is still a memorable skin-crawler. His creepy obsession with tormenting and torturing his ex-boyfriend Aral takes him from "academically interested in watching a psychologically destroyed Bothari raping Cordelia Naismith on his say-so" to "willing and eager to do the deed himself" in a way that leaves even the normally very calm and balanced Cordelia absolutely terrified. Oh, and guess who broke Bothari in the first place? According to Aral, Ges broke Bothari in the first place, and did it twice: once before Bothari arrived at the Leper Colony, and again after only a few scant months when Bothari was reassigned.
5th May '15 7:26:56 AM ACW
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** Ges Vorrutyer gets about twenty pages of screen time, and is still a memorable skin-crawler. His creepy obsession with tormenting and torturing his ex-boyfriend Aral takes him from "academically interested in watching a psychologically destroyed Bothari raping Cordelia Naismith on his say-so" to "willing and eager to do the deed himself" in a way that leaves even the normally very calm and balanced Cordelia absolutely terrified. Oh, and guess who broke Bothari in the first place? According to Aral, Ges did it twice: once before Bothari arrived at the Leper Colony, and again after only a few scant months when Bothari was reassigned.

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** Ges Vorrutyer gets about twenty pages of screen time, and is still a memorable skin-crawler. His creepy obsession with tormenting and torturing his ex-boyfriend Aral takes him from "academically interested in watching a psychologically destroyed Bothari raping Cordelia Naismith on his say-so" to "willing and eager to do the deed himself" in a way that leaves even the normally very calm and balanced Cordelia absolutely terrified. Oh, and guess who broke Bothari in the first place? According to Aral, Ges broke Bothari in the first place, and did it twice: once before Bothari arrived at the Leper Colony, and again after only a few scant months when Bothari was reassigned.
4th May '15 3:53:24 PM roxana
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* JerkassHasAPoint: Contemplate Miles' medical nightmare of a childhood and recognize that there was an element of MercyKill in Count Piotr's murder attempts.
2nd May '15 5:23:38 AM ReaderAt2046
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* ProtagonistCenteredMorality: Dona/Dono and Vormuir both exploit modern technology and the technicalities of Barrayaran law for their own political advantage, but Vormuir is regarded as evil (or at least wrong) and the heroes go to some trouble to wreck his scheme, while they support Dona and do their utmost to make his scheme stand up.
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