History YMMV / VorkosiganSaga

8th Aug '16 5:45:48 AM longWriter
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* StopHelpingMe: Duv to Miles [[spoiler: after Miles, having accidentally sabotages his chances with Laisa Toscane by introducing her to Gregor, offers to assist Duv in his courtship of Delia Koudelka.]]
1st Aug '16 6:58:30 AM AnotherGuy
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----> '''Cordelia''': Oh, but you never know what any Barrayaran woman thinks by what she says in front of Barrayaran men. Honesty is not exactly rewarded, you know.

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----> '''Cordelia''': Oh, but you never know what any Barrayaran woman thinks by what she says in front of Barrayaran men. Honesty is not exactly rewarded, you know. ''(cue understanding nod from Drou)''
1st Aug '16 6:55:54 AM AnotherGuy
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* WhatAnIdiot: [[PhraseCatcher No, not Ivan.]] The Komarran conspirators in ''Komarr'' chained Tien up outside, assuming he'd made sure his breather had a full tank of oxygen, because no idiot who's lived in the planet's domes for more than five minutes would ever not check before going out on the surface, especially when there's an automatated message stating "Check your air tank!" This is the reaction ''everyone'' gives, including the conspirators, Miles and Ektarerin, who, by the way, warned Tien to check but got shouted down by him.

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[[PhraseCatcher No, not Ivan.]] The Komarran conspirators in ''Komarr'' chained Tien up outside, assuming he'd made sure his breather had a full tank of oxygen, because no idiot who's lived in the planet's domes for more than five minutes would ever not check before going out on the surface, especially when there's an automatated message stating "Check your air tank!" This is the reaction ''everyone'' gives, including the conspirators, Miles and Ektarerin, who, by the way, warned Tien to check but got shouted down by him.him.
** Padma gets this from Alys. In ''Captain Vorpatril's Alliance'', she reveals Padma left their secure hiding hole to look for help because he was frightened of having to help his wife's labor alone.
--->'''Alys:''' But I knew, then and forever after, that it wasn't his bravery that killed him - it was his cowardice.
1st Aug '16 6:48:27 AM AnotherGuy
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* CanonSue: Cordelia and Aral seem to edge into this territory being almost unanimously admired by the rest of the characters and portrayed as unfailing sources of wisdom. Cordelia at least is still allowed to get things wrong - although nothing too great - as the series progresses, but Aral gets this is a lot. It may be an artifact of mostly seeing him through the viewpoints of his younger relatives, especially Miles, to whom he appears basically perfect, forgetting, of course, he's a recovering alcoholic, short-tempered, and jealous, and without a stabilizing influence (Piotre, Cordelia), he's extremely self-destructive to the point of suicide.

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* CanonSue: Cordelia and Aral seem to edge into this territory being almost unanimously admired by the rest of the characters and portrayed as unfailing sources of wisdom. Cordelia at least is still allowed to get things wrong - although nothing too great - as the series progresses, but Aral gets this is a lot. It may be an artifact of mostly seeing him through the viewpoints of his younger relatives, especially Miles, to whom he appears basically perfect, forgetting, of course, he's a recovering alcoholic, short-tempered, and jealous, and without a stabilizing influence (Piotre, (Piotr, Cordelia), he's extremely self-destructive to the point of suicide.
1st Aug '16 6:47:27 AM AnotherGuy
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* CanonSue: Cordelia and Aral seem to edge into this territory being almost unanimously admired by the rest of the characters and portrayed as unfailing sources of wisdom. Cordelia at least is still allowed to get things wrong - although nothing too great - as the series progresses, but Aral gets this is a lot. It may be an artifact of mostly seeing him through the viewpoints of his younger relatives, especially Miles, to whom he appears basically perfect.

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* CanonSue: Cordelia and Aral seem to edge into this territory being almost unanimously admired by the rest of the characters and portrayed as unfailing sources of wisdom. Cordelia at least is still allowed to get things wrong - although nothing too great - as the series progresses, but Aral gets this is a lot. It may be an artifact of mostly seeing him through the viewpoints of his younger relatives, especially Miles, to whom he appears basically perfect.perfect, forgetting, of course, he's a recovering alcoholic, short-tempered, and jealous, and without a stabilizing influence (Piotre, Cordelia), he's extremely self-destructive to the point of suicide.
1st Aug '16 6:44:14 AM AnotherGuy
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* WhatAnIdiot: [[PhraseCatcher No, not Ivan.]] The Komarran conspirators in ''Komarr'' chained Tien up outside, assuming he'd made sure his breather had a full tank of oxygen, because no idiot who's lived in the planet's domes for more than five minutes would ever not check before going out on the surface, especially when there's an automatated message stating "Check your air tank!" This is the reaction ''everyone'' gives, including the conspirators, Miles and Ektarerin, who, by the way, warned Tien to check but got shouted down by him.
22nd Feb '16 8:42:10 AM psionycx
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** Which leads to a case of BrokenPedestal based on many reader reviews for ''Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen''. Quite a few fans feel this way about the revelation that Aral did not really have SingleTargetSexuality for Cordelia and that [[spoiler: the last two decades or so of their marriage was a threesome including his male aide Oliver Jole]]. Cordelia's pedestal seems to have been broken as well because [[spoiler: being a Betan she was quite okay with this, especially since she got to enjoy the GuyOnGuyIsHot in her marital bed. Many fans seem to have expected a more Barrayaran reaction of a WomanScorned from her. Even though in-story her internal monologue makes it clear that she considered ''characters'' who expected her to react this way to be getting worked up over nothing]].
13th Feb '16 6:35:41 PM Tir
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--->[[spoiler: Note that Aral(Miles's Father) is canonically bisexual (though monogamous) with a distinct preference for ''soldiers'' and on Barayar the only soldiers are men. Cordelia, as a Betan officer, provided Aral with a societally approved heterosexual relationship and the soldier he always wanted. (His term of affection for her is "my dear captain.") They are happily married because Cordelia is open-minded and knows him better than he knows himself, at least in this regard, and is willing to accept the things he can't admit. Miles has not heard any of this except possibly as rumors from his father's political enemies which he would probably discount as slander.]]

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--->[[spoiler: Note that Aral(Miles's Father) is canonically bisexual (though monogamous) with a distinct preference for ''soldiers'' and on Barayar the only soldiers are men. Cordelia, as a Betan officer, provided Aral with a societally approved heterosexual relationship and the soldier he always wanted. (His term of affection for her is "my dear captain.") They are happily married because Cordelia is open-minded and knows him better than he knows himself, at least in this regard, and is willing to accept the things he can't admit. Miles has not heard any of this except possibly as rumors from his father's political enemies which he would probably discount as slander.]]
5th Feb '16 9:03:06 AM Ciara25
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** The unnamed villain of ''Diplomatic Immunity'' poisoned the crew of a whole spaceship, and went on to cause the extremely horrible deaths of four people who had the bad luck to get in [[spoiler:its]] way, to say nothing of trying to make a scapegoat out of Barrayar and create war between it and the Cetagandan Empire - ''plus'' that little business with the [[spoiler:bomb in the concert hall]], the last of which was purely out of spite at having been caused so much trouble by the Quaddies. But their backstory is rather tragic; [[spoiler:as a genderless, genetically engineered servant, the ba had to spend its whole life witnessing all that was denied it - power, wealth, the right to breed - in the form of its younger, perfected sibling, ''the Emperor of Cetaganda.'' Then the late Empress, who actually did treat the ba somewhat like a 'real' child, died with her final plans unfulfilled. And, although it tried to start a new empire with itself as both Emperor and Empress, in order to bizarrely fulfill its late Empress' (and mother's) wishes, Miles also rather poignantly has the right of it: "In other words...the ba wanted children. In the only way it could...conceive."]]

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** The unnamed villain of ''Diplomatic Immunity'' poisoned the crew of a whole spaceship, and went on to cause the extremely horrible deaths of four people who had the bad luck to get in [[spoiler:its]] their way, to say nothing of trying to make a scapegoat out of Barrayar and create war between it the Barrayaran Empire and the Cetagandan Empire - ''plus'' that little business with the [[spoiler:bomb in the concert hall]], the last of which was purely out of spite at having been caused so much trouble by the Quaddies. But their backstory is rather tragic; [[spoiler:as a genderless, genetically engineered servant, the ba had to spend its whole life witnessing all that was denied it - power, wealth, the right to breed - in the form of its younger, perfected sibling, ''the Emperor of Cetaganda.'' Then the late Empress, who actually did treat the ba somewhat like a 'real' child, died with her final plans unfulfilled. And, although it tried to start a new empire with itself as both Emperor and Empress, in order to bizarrely fulfill its late Empress' (and mother's) wishes, Miles also rather poignantly has the right of it: "In other words...the ba wanted children. In the only way it could...conceive."]]
5th Sep '15 1:33:39 PM Morgenthaler
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* MemeticSexGod: Ivan; on Cetaganda at least. Especially impressive in light of the fact that Ivan's Cetagandan competition has been being genetically engineered toward perfection for centuries. It's probably not just his good looks. And this reputation withstands him being dosed with a drug to ensure TheLoinsSleepTonight. Let's just say Ivan is a CunningLinguist.
** More accurately, the drug causes the reputation. The attempt to satisfy Cetagandan ghem-ladies while, er, disabled, along with some convenient lies about the Barrayaran Art of Love, make Ivan's name on Cetaganda.
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