History YMMV / VorkosiganSaga

8th Jan '17 6:14:30 AM SeptimusHeap
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* FreudWasRight: Butter bugs, according to Bujold, are "an ugly alien creature that, when petted, barfs a dubious thick white liquid into one’s hand, but at the same time, if one can get past the biological {{squick}} factor, promises a greatly enhanced future life, is not a symbol of female anything." Yes, the author deliberately made butter bugs ''phallic symbolism''.
14th Dec '16 10:33:49 PM AnotherGuy
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* FreudWasRight: Butter bugs, according to Bujold, are "an ugly alien creature that, when petted, barfs a dubious thick white liquid into one’s hand, but at the same time, if one can get past the biological {{squick}} factor, promises a greatly enhanced future life, is not a symbol of female anything." Yes, the author deliberately made butter bugs ''phallic symbolism''.
5th Dec '16 8:09:56 AM FuzzyBoots
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* JerkassHasAPoint: Contemplate Miles' medical nightmare of a childhood and recognize that there was an element of MercyKill in Count Piotr's murder attempts.



* JerkassHasAPoint: Contemplate Miles' medical nightmare of a childhood and recognize that there was an element of MercyKill in Count Piotr's murder attempts.
26th Nov '16 2:47:27 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Beta Colony, {{Utopia}} or {{Dystopia}}? Depends on where you stand on their more [[FreeLoveFuture interesting]] [[CriticalPsychoanalysisFailure social practices]]. Even the Betans themselves can't agree. A Utopia sustained by weapons R&D and sex tourism seems - odd.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Beta Colony, {{Utopia}} or {{Dystopia}}? Depends on where you stand on their more [[FreeLoveFuture interesting]] [[CriticalPsychoanalysisFailure social practices]]. Even the Betans themselves can't agree. A Utopia sustained by weapons R&D and sex tourism seems - odd.
14th Nov '16 11:28:29 AM roxana
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** Note however that Alys had been in labor for DAYS. How 'brave' would she have been if say Padma had been slowly bleeding from an open wound that wouldn't staunch?
21st Oct '16 2:25:23 PM Ciara25
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** Baron Ryoval stands out as one of the worst villains of the series, and is viewed as a monster even on the WretchedHive of an OutlawTown planet in which he lives. Ryoval started his evil early in life, murdering his father and then proceeding (with the exception of two siblings who escaped) to either murder the rest of his siblings or else subjecting them to torture/body modification before condemning them to a FateWorseThanDeath in brothels he runs catering to sadism and sexual perversion. Ryoval is obsessed with torture and sadism both as his primary business and as a hobby, and employees a large staff of {{Torture Technician}}s, who like the rest of his staff, don't like the work, but are too afraid of what he would do to them if caught to flee. Ryoval is actually seventy years old, but looks like a young man because like some other particularly depraved people on his planet, he has had clones of himself produced (who are normal, sapient individuals) and then when they've reached a certain age, he had their brain ripped out and his implanted. He has this "procedure" done several times.

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** Baron Ryoval stands out as one of the worst villains of the series, and is viewed as a monster even on the WretchedHive of an OutlawTown planet in which he lives. Ryoval started his evil early in life, murdering his father and then proceeding (with the exception of two siblings who escaped) to either murder the rest of his siblings or else subjecting them to torture/body modification before condemning them to a FateWorseThanDeath in brothels he runs catering to sadism and sexual perversion. Ryoval is obsessed with torture and sadism both as his primary business and as a hobby, and employees a large staff of {{Torture Technician}}s, who like the rest of his staff, don't like the work, but are too afraid of what he would do to them if caught to flee. Ryoval is actually seventy years old, but looks like a young man because like some other particularly depraved people on his planet, he has had clones of himself produced (who are normal, sapient individuals) and then when they've reached a certain age, he had their brain ripped out and his implanted. He has this "procedure" done several times. [[spoiler: And when he gets his hands on Mark, thinking he's Miles or 'Admiral Naismith', he proceeds to inflict incredibly horrendous tortures on him, including multiple force feedings, flaying and rape. Mark develops four different split-personalities in order to not go completely insane.]]
8th Aug '16 5:45:48 AM longWriter
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* StopHelpingMe: Duv to Miles [[spoiler: after Miles, having accidentally sabotages his chances with Laisa Toscane by introducing her to Gregor, offers to assist Duv in his courtship of Delia Koudelka.]]
1st Aug '16 6:58:30 AM AnotherGuy
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----> '''Cordelia''': Oh, but you never know what any Barrayaran woman thinks by what she says in front of Barrayaran men. Honesty is not exactly rewarded, you know.

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----> '''Cordelia''': Oh, but you never know what any Barrayaran woman thinks by what she says in front of Barrayaran men. Honesty is not exactly rewarded, you know. ''(cue understanding nod from Drou)''
1st Aug '16 6:55:54 AM AnotherGuy
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* WhatAnIdiot: [[PhraseCatcher No, not Ivan.]] The Komarran conspirators in ''Komarr'' chained Tien up outside, assuming he'd made sure his breather had a full tank of oxygen, because no idiot who's lived in the planet's domes for more than five minutes would ever not check before going out on the surface, especially when there's an automatated message stating "Check your air tank!" This is the reaction ''everyone'' gives, including the conspirators, Miles and Ektarerin, who, by the way, warned Tien to check but got shouted down by him.

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[[PhraseCatcher No, not Ivan.]] The Komarran conspirators in ''Komarr'' chained Tien up outside, assuming he'd made sure his breather had a full tank of oxygen, because no idiot who's lived in the planet's domes for more than five minutes would ever not check before going out on the surface, especially when there's an automatated message stating "Check your air tank!" This is the reaction ''everyone'' gives, including the conspirators, Miles and Ektarerin, who, by the way, warned Tien to check but got shouted down by him.him.
** Padma gets this from Alys. In ''Captain Vorpatril's Alliance'', she reveals Padma left their secure hiding hole to look for help because he was frightened of having to help his wife's labor alone.
--->'''Alys:''' But I knew, then and forever after, that it wasn't his bravery that killed him -— it was his cowardice.
1st Aug '16 6:48:27 AM AnotherGuy
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* CanonSue: Cordelia and Aral seem to edge into this territory being almost unanimously admired by the rest of the characters and portrayed as unfailing sources of wisdom. Cordelia at least is still allowed to get things wrong - although nothing too great - as the series progresses, but Aral gets this is a lot. It may be an artifact of mostly seeing him through the viewpoints of his younger relatives, especially Miles, to whom he appears basically perfect, forgetting, of course, he's a recovering alcoholic, short-tempered, and jealous, and without a stabilizing influence (Piotre, Cordelia), he's extremely self-destructive to the point of suicide.

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* CanonSue: Cordelia and Aral seem to edge into this territory being almost unanimously admired by the rest of the characters and portrayed as unfailing sources of wisdom. Cordelia at least is still allowed to get things wrong - although nothing too great - as the series progresses, but Aral gets this is a lot. It may be an artifact of mostly seeing him through the viewpoints of his younger relatives, especially Miles, to whom he appears basically perfect, forgetting, of course, he's a recovering alcoholic, short-tempered, and jealous, and without a stabilizing influence (Piotre, (Piotr, Cordelia), he's extremely self-destructive to the point of suicide.
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