History YMMV / Vikings

29th Apr '17 9:15:24 PM Jormungar
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** Was Athelstan a noble, thoughtful, and kindhearted man whose admiration for the pagans' ways marked him as tolerant and open-minded, or was he as his fellow Saxons called him -- an apostate and traitorous coward whose knowledge made him complicit in each of the Vikings' raids against their people, and who was ultimately just as guilty for the deaths of his countrymen as the Vikings who struck them down?

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** Was Athelstan a noble, thoughtful, and kindhearted man whose admiration for the pagans' ways marked him as tolerant and Athelstan: Is he open-minded, or was he as his fellow Saxons called him -- an apostate and traitorous a coward whose knowledge made him complicit in each of who changes his views and sucks up to whoever he happens to be captured by at the Vikings' raids against their people, and who was ultimately just as guilty for the deaths of his countrymen as the Vikings who struck them down? time?
27th Apr '17 2:21:32 PM Thorion
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* HilariousInHindsight: The Edison Marshall novel "The Viking" featured a one-eyed bear whom the protagonist Ogier called "Ragnar's Brother." Fast forward to this show where Ragnar actually does have a brother and is one with a bear motif.
15th Feb '17 7:57:26 PM Spookongo
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** The battle song King Harald Finehair and his brother Halfdan The Black usually sing after successful raiding.
14th Feb '17 11:12:17 AM dustyham
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* SpiritualLicensee: Some people consider this show as adaptation of ''Manga/VinlandSaga'' and ''ComicBook/{{Northlanders}}'' due to its historical fiction (with "few" liberties) and Norse theme.
** Some also considered it to be one of the Saxon Stories and Giles Kristian's Raven Saga, despite the former getting a T.V. adaptation next year.

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Some people consider this show as adaptation of ''Manga/VinlandSaga'' and ''ComicBook/{{Northlanders}}'' due to its historical fiction (with "few" liberties) and Norse theme.
** Some also considered it to be one of the Saxon Stories and Bernard Cornwell's ''Literature/TheSaxonStories'' or Giles Kristian's Raven Saga, despite ''Raven Saga'', at least until the former getting a T.V. adaptation next year.got [[Series/TheLastKingdom it's own adaptation]] in 2015.
11th Feb '17 4:36:59 AM Killztwice
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** In the Sagas, [[spoiler: Sigurd is not killed by Ivar but rather marries one of Aelle's daughters and returns to Denmark to take Ragnar's place as king while his brothers continue raiding and conquering abroad. Seeing Sigurd, who the show characterized as TheResenter, TheUnfavorite who suffered from MiddleChildSydnrome, and perhaps the least likely out of his brothers to inherit the kingdom actually step into the role and deal with the trails of ruling could have made for a very compelling character arc, whether he failed or succeeded.]]
4th Feb '17 12:26:22 AM CaptainCrawdad
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** Seriously, just ''try'' watching that scene, and when Kwenthrith's brother asks aloud "Why are they only attacking my uncle?" ''not'' shouting at the screen "because they're not stupid, you idiot!"



* {{Woobie}}: Athelstan, who has seen his home burned down, is mistreated by his Viking masters and has to endure having his beliefs and his god ridiculed by them. [[TheChewToy And that's just the beginning of his troubles]].

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Athelstan, who has seen his home burned down, is mistreated by his Viking masters and has to endure having his beliefs and his god ridiculed by them. [[TheChewToy And that's just the beginning of his troubles]].



*** The silver lining in the last case is that [[spoiler: Lagertha promised to take care of said child, and considering her MamaBear tendencies, one has to imagine that Erlendur would be short a head ([[GroinAttack or two]]) if he tried to make good on his threat.]]
** Helga, Floki's wife, also gets hit hard, starting at the end of Season 3. [[spoiler:Her husband reveals he murdered Athelstan, after which she can't even look him in the eye, even though she still loves him. At the beginning of Season 4, Floki is arrested by Bjorn, and Helga humiliates herself by trying to protect him from the group-administered punishments he is subjected to. Floki's crimes and arrest leave her more or less ostracized from everyone in Kattegat, and her and her daughter without income or food for the winter. Then, her daughter dies of the fever. Her husband is tied up in a cave, reminiscent of the punishment of the god Loki, with drops of water falling on his head (as a form of water torture), and she spends all her time holding a bowl over him to stop the drops because as much as she abhors what he did, she still loves him. In the second part of season 4 she accompanies Floki as he goes with Bjorn to explore and raid around the Mediterranean and asks Floki about having an other child but he refuses. In what can only be described as a fit of madness, she adopts or (rather kidnaps) a young girl who's parents were murdered in the raid. The girl is utterly terrified of her and yet Helga still tries to mother her. Floki can tell she's dangerously deluded about the situation but doesn't have the heart to intervene. This finally culminates in the child stabbing Helga before killing herself right in front of her as she lays dying. ]] What makes all of this worse is that Helga is one of the nicest characters in the series, lacking both the cruelty and/or fundamentalist attitudes that mark the other Vikings, and is the least deserving of the mess her life has become. Even Ragnar feels sorry for her, and [[spoiler:when he finally sets Floki free, he did it more for Helga's sake than anything.]]

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*** The silver lining in the last case is that [[spoiler: Lagertha promised to take care of said child, and considering her MamaBear tendencies, one has to imagine that Erlendur would be short a head ([[GroinAttack or two]]) if he tried to make good on his threat.]]
** Helga, Floki's wife, also gets hit hard, starting at the end of Season 3. [[spoiler:Her husband reveals he murdered Athelstan, after which she can't even look him in the eye, even though she still loves him. At the beginning of Season 4, Floki is arrested by Bjorn, and Helga humiliates herself by trying to protect him from the group-administered punishments he is subjected to. Floki's crimes and arrest leave her more or less ostracized from everyone in Kattegat, and her and her daughter without income or food for the winter. Then, her daughter dies of the fever. Her husband is tied up in a cave, reminiscent of the punishment of the god Loki, with drops of water falling on his head (as a form of water torture), and she spends all her time holding a bowl over him to stop the drops because as much as she abhors what he did, she still loves him. In the second part of season 4 she accompanies Floki as he goes with Bjorn to explore and raid around the Mediterranean and asks Floki about having an other child but he refuses. In what can only be described as a fit of madness, she adopts or (rather kidnaps) a young girl who's parents were murdered in the raid. The girl is utterly terrified of her and yet Helga still tries to mother her. Floki can tell she's dangerously deluded about the situation but doesn't have the heart to intervene. This finally culminates in the child stabbing Helga before killing herself right in front of her as she lays dying. ]] What makes all of this worse is that Helga is one of the nicest few characters in the series, lacking both the cruelty and/or fundamentalist attitudes that mark the other Vikings, who is universally kind and is the least deserving of the mess considerate, yet she lives a hard life. She weathers Floki's various self-destructive inclinations, loses a daughter and ultimately [[spoiler:tries to adopt a surrogate daughter in a mad attempt to fill her life has become. Even Ragnar feels sorry with meaning, but is too desperate for her, love to realize the child is a traumatized hostage who hates her and [[spoiler:when he finally sets Floki free, he did it more for Helga's sake than anything.]]
ultimately murders her]].
4th Feb '17 12:19:18 AM CaptainCrawdad
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** Lagertha following her murder of Aslaug. Now people are rooting for her death. The fandom is fickle indeed.
4th Feb '17 12:17:29 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* MoralEventHorizon:
** [[spoiler: Ecbert and Aethelwulf in "Usurper." They mastermind and execute a mass slaughter of the Pagan settlement in Wessex, down to the last child, and pin it on the nobles who had previously questioned Ecbert's rule and policies regarding his alliance with Ragnar and the Northmen.]]
** Floki takes a flying leap over it when [[spoiler: kills Athelstan, the most decent person in the show, out of sheer, unadulterated religious zealotry]].
** [[spoiler: Ragnar is, if not over it, teetering on the edge with the measures he is taking to hide the destruction of the Wessex settlement. He murders the messenger in cold blood and, after telling Yidu that she was not free after all, he drowns her when she implies a threat that she will give up the secret.]]
4th Feb '17 12:14:00 AM CaptainCrawdad
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** The "leeroys" part is also debatable -- his aides' suggestion to attack the Vikings while they're busy setting up camp seems reasonable enough, especially given how the alternative worked out; and when Aethelwulf tells them off it's not because of any tactical concerns but because he feels slighted that they dare to question his decisions.
3rd Feb '17 7:07:37 PM jenmic
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** Helga, Floki's wife, also gets hit hard, starting at the end of Season 3. [[spoiler:Her husband reveals he murdered Athelstan, after which she can't even look him in the eye, even though she still loves him. At the beginning of Season 4, Floki is arrested by Bjorn, and Helga humiliates herself by trying to protect him from the group-administered punishments he is subjected to. Floki's crimes and arrest leave her more or less ostracized from everyone in Kattegat, and her and her daughter without income or food for the winter. Then, her daughter dies of the fever. Her husband is tied up in a cave, reminiscent of the punishment of the god Loki, with drops of water falling on his head (as a form of water torture), and she spends all her time holding a bowl over him to stop the drops because as much as she abhors what he did, she still loves him. In the second part of season 2 she accompanies Floki as he goes with Bjorn to explore and raid around the Mediterranean and asks Floki about having an other child but he refuses. In what can only be described as a fit of madness, she adopts or (rather kidnaps) a young Saracen girl who's parents were murdered in the raid. The girl is utterly terrified of her and yet Helga still tries to mother her. Floki can tell she's dangerously deluded about the situation but doesn't have the heart to intervene. This finally culminates in the child stabbing Helga before killing herself right in front of her as she lays dying. ]] What makes all of this worse is that Helga is one of the nicest characters in the series, lacking both the cruelty and/or fundamentalist attitudes that mark the other Vikings, and is the least deserving of the mess her life has become. Even Ragnar feels sorry for her, and [[spoiler:when he finally sets Floki free, he did it more for Helga's sake than anything.]]

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** Helga, Floki's wife, also gets hit hard, starting at the end of Season 3. [[spoiler:Her husband reveals he murdered Athelstan, after which she can't even look him in the eye, even though she still loves him. At the beginning of Season 4, Floki is arrested by Bjorn, and Helga humiliates herself by trying to protect him from the group-administered punishments he is subjected to. Floki's crimes and arrest leave her more or less ostracized from everyone in Kattegat, and her and her daughter without income or food for the winter. Then, her daughter dies of the fever. Her husband is tied up in a cave, reminiscent of the punishment of the god Loki, with drops of water falling on his head (as a form of water torture), and she spends all her time holding a bowl over him to stop the drops because as much as she abhors what he did, she still loves him. In the second part of season 2 4 she accompanies Floki as he goes with Bjorn to explore and raid around the Mediterranean and asks Floki about having an other child but he refuses. In what can only be described as a fit of madness, she adopts or (rather kidnaps) a young Saracen girl who's parents were murdered in the raid. The girl is utterly terrified of her and yet Helga still tries to mother her. Floki can tell she's dangerously deluded about the situation but doesn't have the heart to intervene. This finally culminates in the child stabbing Helga before killing herself right in front of her as she lays dying. ]] What makes all of this worse is that Helga is one of the nicest characters in the series, lacking both the cruelty and/or fundamentalist attitudes that mark the other Vikings, and is the least deserving of the mess her life has become. Even Ragnar feels sorry for her, and [[spoiler:when he finally sets Floki free, he did it more for Helga's sake than anything.]]
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