History YMMV / Victorious

9th Aug '16 11:01:28 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: The entire episode "Prom Wrecker," mostly because of the debate over who caused the entire conflict.
** AlternativeCharacterInterpretation comes into play here, too: Was Tori a bitch for not trying to reschedule the prome, which ended up being on the same night as Jade's play, or was this a little payback for Jade's bitchiness? Was Jade's revenge justified because Tori did not reschedule? Was it Sikowitz's fault for not warning Tori about the schedule conflict? Did anybody cross the MoralEventHorizon here, and was the episode itself a CrowningMomentOfAwesome?
** ''Tori and Jade's Playdate''. A terrific and daring episode subverting common gender and sexuality tropes, another example why Jade and Tori would make an awesome canon pairing (either as Best Friends or Romantically) and a nice overall girl-power message? Or was it just shameless [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the Jade/Tori shippers]] and, since nothing eventually became canonized between them, a rather nasty bit of Queerbaiting? Did it [[MoralGuardians stretch the limits too far of what could be shown on a "kids" show]]? Did Sikowitz cross a MoralEventHorizon "forcing" Jade and Tori to go on a date? Was the whole thing a CrowningMomentOfAwesome, or an episode full of problematic elements, especially concerning LGBT representation (or lack therof) as well as Sikowitz's possible ethical and moral red flags?

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* BaseBreaker: The entire episode "Prom Wrecker," mostly because of the debate over who caused the entire conflict.
** AlternativeCharacterInterpretation comes into play here, too: Was Tori a bitch for not trying to reschedule the prome, which ended up being on the same night as Jade's play, or was this a little payback for Jade's bitchiness? Was Jade's revenge justified because Tori did not reschedule? Was it Sikowitz's fault for not warning Tori about the schedule conflict? Did anybody cross the MoralEventHorizon here, and was the episode itself a CrowningMomentOfAwesome?
** ''Tori and Jade's Playdate''. A terrific and daring episode subverting common gender and sexuality tropes, another example why Jade and Tori would make an awesome canon pairing (either as Best Friends or Romantically) and a nice overall girl-power message? Or was it just shameless [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the Jade/Tori shippers]] and, since nothing eventually became canonized between them, a rather nasty bit of Queerbaiting? Did it [[MoralGuardians stretch the limits too far of what could be shown on a "kids" show]]? Did Sikowitz cross a MoralEventHorizon "forcing" Jade and Tori to go on a date? Was the whole thing a CrowningMomentOfAwesome, or an episode full of problematic elements, especially concerning LGBT representation (or lack therof) as well as Sikowitz's possible ethical and moral red flags?
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** ''Brain Squeezers'' receives plenty of hate for its gratuitous use of violence on the entire cast. People argue that it was meant to be comedic with all the violence, but others say that the violence is overused for a ''children's'' show.
** Jade and Tori's relationship, my gawd. Whether some think it's just a cute arc about two very different girls learning to accept their differences and become friends; it's antagonism is played too far to it's extremes; their constant conflict is [[ArcFatigue siphoning away too much screen time from other characters and storylines]]; either Jade or Tori [[DracoInLeatherPants is the hero]] [[RonTheDeathEater or the supreme evil Jerkass]]; or, that it's one of the sweetest [[HideYourLesbians secret romantic arcs on television]]- the conversation will always be heated and rarely end nicely (especially if the latter interpretation is involved).



The entire episode "Prom Wrecker," mostly because of the debate over who caused the entire conflict.
** AlternativeCharacterInterpretation comes into play here, too: Was Tori a bitch for not trying to reschedule the prome, which ended up being on the same night as Jade's play, or was this a little payback for Jade's bitchiness? Was Jade's revenge justified because Tori did not reschedule? Was it Sikowitz's fault for not warning Tori about the schedule conflict? Did anybody cross the MoralEventHorizon here, and was the episode itself a CrowningMomentOfAwesome?
** ''Tori and Jade's Playdate''. A terrific and daring episode subverting common gender and sexuality tropes, another example why Jade and Tori would make an awesome canon pairing (either as Best Friends or Romantically) and a nice overall girl-power message? Or was it just shameless [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the Jade/Tori shippers]] and, since nothing eventually became canonized between them, a rather nasty bit of Queerbaiting? Did it [[MoralGuardians stretch the limits too far of what could be shown on a "kids" show]]? Did Sikowitz cross a MoralEventHorizon "forcing" Jade and Tori to go on a date? Was the whole thing a CrowningMomentOfAwesome, or an episode full of problematic elements, especially concerning LGBT representation (or lack therof) as well as Sikowitz's possible ethical and moral red flags?
** ''Brain Squeezers'' receives plenty of hate for its gratuitous use of violence on the entire cast. People argue that it was meant to be comedic with all the violence, but others say that the violence is overused for a ''children's'' show.
** Jade and Tori's relationship, my gawd. Whether some think it's just a cute arc about two very different girls learning to accept their differences and become friends; it's antagonism is played too far to it's extremes; their constant conflict is [[ArcFatigue siphoning away too much screen time from other characters and storylines]]; either Jade or Tori [[DracoInLeatherPants is the hero]] [[RonTheDeathEater or the supreme evil Jerkass]]; or, that it's one of the sweetest [[HideYourLesbians secret romantic arcs on television]]- the conversation will always be heated and rarely end nicely (especially if the latter interpretation is involved).



* CreatorsPet: It's Dan- this type of character is all too common in his shows. Jade and Tori both have elements of this- Tori more so as the show is a vehicle for VictoriaJustice. There is a ''huge'' debate amongst fans as to who is worse. This commonly ends with Jade being declared the Creator's Pet, but even her haters will admit that she's far more tolerable than Sam or Megan (With many male fans simply pointing out Jade rarely, if ever, invokes the DoubleStandard). For debate about Tori, see AlternateCharacterInterpretation and BaseBreaker.

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* CreatorsPet: It's Dan- this type of character is all too common in his shows. Jade and Tori both have elements of this- Tori more so as the show is a vehicle for VictoriaJustice. There is a ''huge'' debate amongst fans as to who is worse. This commonly ends with Jade being declared the Creator's Pet, but even her haters will admit that she's far more tolerable than Sam or Megan (With many male fans simply pointing out Jade rarely, if ever, invokes the DoubleStandard). For debate about Tori, see AlternateCharacterInterpretation and BaseBreaker.



* TakeThatScrappy: ''The Bad Roommate'' was one big HumiliationConga for Jade, [[BaseBreaker and to many]], it was satisfying to see Jade finally get [[KarmaHoudini comeuppance for her actions]].

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* TakeThatScrappy: ''The Bad Roommate'' was one big HumiliationConga for Jade, [[BaseBreaker and to many]], many, it was satisfying to see Jade finally get [[KarmaHoudini comeuppance for her actions]].
30th Jun '16 6:00:28 AM KimXDragon
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* NamesTheSame: Sikowitz is somehow not a guard in [[Series/OrangeIsTheNewBlack Linchfield Penitentiary]]. Or female.
1st Jun '16 2:57:33 AM Bryan3on
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** If compare Victorious to [[DisneyChannel its]] rival Hannah Montana in terms of ratings and music sales, this show is so....mediocre. Without its iCarly lead-in, the show only got around 3 to 4 million viewers, even the one-hour specials only got around 5 million viewers. Moreover, the show soundtracks barely even dented the billboard charts!

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** If compare Victorious to [[DisneyChannel its]] rival Hannah Montana HannahMontana in terms of ratings and music sales, this show is so....mediocre. Without its iCarly lead-in, the show only got around 3 to 4 million viewers, even the one-hour specials only got around 5 million viewers. Moreover, the show soundtracks barely even dented the billboard charts!
9th May '16 11:15:14 PM rightyo
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** Beck increasingly, obviously to devoted Jade/Tori shippers for often exaggerated DieForOurShip reasons but also to other viewers who just find him [[FlatCharacter extremely dull and robotic]], and individually bringing little to the overall group dynamic beyond token appeal for shipping and being the DesignatedLoveInterest. That's lead to a debate whether he's simply a [[SatelliteCharacter Nice Guy]] {{Scrappy}} who's main problem is being too dependent on other characters for relevance, or when looking at his more passive-agressive and [[TheCasanova Casanova]] tendancies, if he's a closet {{Jerkass}}. His actions in "Tori Goes Platinum" drew the ire of many previous fans and even caused a bit of a BrokenBase inside the Beck/Jade Ship, a pairing for which he often gets disproportionate scolding for his percieved mis-steps in comparison to [[FanDarling Jade]].

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** Beck increasingly, obviously to devoted Jade/Tori shippers for often exaggerated DieForOurShip reasons but also to other viewers who just find him [[FlatCharacter extremely dull and robotic]], and individually bringing little to the overall group dynamic beyond being Jade's MoralityPet and token appeal for shipping and being the DesignatedLoveInterest.ship-tease. That's lead to a debate whether he's simply a [[SatelliteCharacter Nice Guy]] {{Scrappy}} who's main problem is being too dependent on other characters for relevance, or when looking at his more passive-agressive and [[TheCasanova Casanova]] tendancies, if he's a closet {{Jerkass}}. His actions in "Tori Goes Platinum" drew the ire of many previous fans and even caused a bit of a BrokenBase inside the Beck/Jade Ship, a pairing for which he often gets disproportionate scolding for his percieved mis-steps in comparison to [[FanDarling Jade]].
6th May '16 9:07:36 AM Bryan3on
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** If compare Victorious to its rival Hannah Montana in terms of ratings and music sales, this show is so....mediocre. Without its iCarly lead-in, the show only got around 3 to 4 million viewers, even the one-hour specials only got around 5 million viewers. Moreover, the show soundtracks barely even dented the billboard charts!

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** If compare Victorious to its [[DisneyChannel its]] rival Hannah Montana in terms of ratings and music sales, this show is so....mediocre. Without its iCarly lead-in, the show only got around 3 to 4 million viewers, even the one-hour specials only got around 5 million viewers. Moreover, the show soundtracks barely even dented the billboard charts!
6th May '16 9:02:59 AM Bryan3on
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6th May '16 8:56:54 AM Bryan3on
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6th May '16 8:56:44 AM Bryan3on
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** If compare Victorious to its rival Hannah Montana in terms of ratings and music sales, this show is so....mediocre. Without its iCarly lead-in, the show only got around 3 to 4 million viewers, even the one-hour specials only got around 5 million viewers. Moreover, the show soundtracks barely even dented the billboard charts!
26th Apr '16 3:57:23 PM TVRulezAgain
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** The show's cancellation - WordOfGod himself makes many claims regarding it. These include that it was not cancelled for Sam and Cat, and that it wasn't "cancelled", so much as it was going to end anyway due to closing in on a 60 episode run (which was around the likes of his [[Series/DrakeAndJosh two]] [[{{Zoey 101}} other]] shows aside from iCarly had). Were these claims nothing more than convenient lies to appease the fans? Was he getting tired of doing the show or is the claim that he and everyone else wanted to continue it the truth? Or was the show ended thanks to the angry anti-fans who for the longest time couldn't stand when he would hold the show in such high favor and seemingly provide total disregard to iCarly itself?
*** The real truth was revealed by the person who ran the (also cancelled at the same time) show Series/HowToRock. As that person didn't need to protect SamAndCat, he made it perfectly clear that all of the shows being cancelled are being cancelled because of SamAndCat and the (Now defunct) Gibby spin-off.

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** The show's cancellation - WordOfGod himself makes many claims regarding it. These include that it was not cancelled for Sam and Cat, and that it wasn't "cancelled", so much as it was going to end anyway due to closing in on a 60 episode run (which was around the likes of his [[Series/DrakeAndJosh two]] [[{{Zoey [[Series/{{Zoey 101}} other]] shows aside from iCarly had). Were these claims nothing more than convenient lies to appease the fans? Was he getting tired of doing the show or is the claim that he and everyone else wanted to continue it the truth? Or was the show ended thanks to the angry anti-fans who for the longest time couldn't stand when he would hold the show in such high favor and seemingly provide total disregard to iCarly itself?
*** The real truth was revealed by the person who ran the (also cancelled at the same time) show Series/HowToRock. As that person didn't need to protect SamAndCat, Series/SamAndCat, he made it perfectly clear that all of the shows being cancelled are being cancelled because of SamAndCat and the (Now defunct) Gibby spin-off.
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