History YMMV / VampireTheRequiem

12th Mar '17 6:22:17 PM ErikModi
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* ScrappyMechanic: The Predator's Taint rule from First Edition. A means by which vampires recognize each other, their Beasts struggling for dominance. When two vampires meet for the first time, their Beasts react to each other based on their Blood Potency. Lower BP vampires have to resist a Fear frenzy, higher BP vampires have to resist an Anger frenzy, equal BP vampires both have to resist Anger to fight for dominance right there. A few Discipline powers modified how your Blood Potency was considered for Predator's Taint, and the result was a common complaint that any two vampires meeting for the first time could easily result in the Final Death of one of them. Much advice was given about how to apply it only when "dramatically appropriate," before the whole mechanic was completely overhauled for ''Blood and Smoke''.


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** As the first "New World of Darkness" gameline after the end of the world for the Old World of Darkness, ''Requiem'' was going to face a ''lot'' of this no matter what they did. Ironically, a common complaint is that ''Requiem'' is ''too much'' like ''Masquerade'', to the point where the Second Edition was loaded with changes to both make the mechanics better and establish the game as its own entity.
25th Feb '17 4:28:24 AM Theokal3
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* JerkassWoobie / TheWoobie: Any vaguely sympathetic vampire probably qualifies.

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* JerkassWoobie / TheWoobie: Any vaguely sympathetic vampire probably qualifies. Kindred as a whole are manipulative, backstabbing bastards who survive by treating humans like cattle, playing on people's superstitions and frequently abuse them. But on the other hand, they are genuinely fighting with [[SuperPoweredEvilSide the Beast]] and desperately clinging to their humanity, and usually end up losing the battle. Especially blatant in 2E, where Humanity no longer just defines their moral code- it defines how much they still relate to Humanity despite being undead.
25th Jan '17 9:49:27 AM valar55
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** The Ghouls. It's hidden right on the surface, but when you make a Ghoul, you ruin a persons life as thoroughly as any addiction. The horror is explored in the Ghoul splatbook, with a Ghoul so desperate that he drinks the menstrual blood of another, recently fed, ghoul. But otherwise the horror you wreck on this person is just implied.

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** The Ghouls. It's hidden right on the surface, but when you make a Ghoul, you ruin a persons life as thoroughly as any addiction. The horror is explored in the Ghoul splatbook, with a Ghoul so desperate that he drinks the menstrual blood of another, recently fed, fed ghoul. But otherwise the horror you wreck wreak on this person is just implied.
19th Dec '16 6:15:37 AM Theokal3
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The Brujah becoming the Bruja could very well be this for any player of ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' transitioning over to the new setting; aside from being downgraded from a full-fledged clan to a bloodline, the original Brujah were revolutionaries who shaped history with uprisings, activism and passion, rebels, punk rockers, working tirelessly to improve society. ''Vampire The Requiem'''s Bruja? Are a psychopathic criminal biker gang who proudly uphold greed and sloth as values and makes money by taking part in things like prostitution, drugs-trafficking and illegal arm trading for profit. [[AlwaysChaoticEvil All of them]]. It was clearly done to streamline the clans along with many other, more well-received changes, and the Gangrel in the new setting can serve more or less the same purpose, but it does come as a bit of a slap in the face to some older players in order to make a hamfisted attempt to add vampires similar to those from ''Film/FromDuskTillDawn''.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The Brujah becoming the Bruja could very well be this for any player of ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' transitioning over to the new setting; aside from being downgraded from a full-fledged clan to a bloodline, the original Brujah were revolutionaries who shaped history with uprisings, activism and passion, rebels, punk rockers, working tirelessly to improve society. ''Vampire The Requiem'''s Bruja? Are a psychopathic criminal biker gang who proudly uphold greed and sloth as values and makes money by taking part in things like prostitution, drugs-trafficking and illegal arm trading for profit.trading. [[AlwaysChaoticEvil All of them]]. It was clearly done to streamline the clans along with many other, more well-received changes, and the Gangrel in the new setting can serve more or less the same purpose, but it does come as a bit of a slap in the face to some older players in order to make a hamfisted attempt to add vampires similar to those from ''Film/FromDuskTillDawn''.
19th Dec '16 6:15:14 AM Theokal3
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The Brujah becoming the Bruja could very well be this for any player of ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' transitioning over to the new setting; aside from being downgraded from a full-fledged clan to a bloodline, the original Brujah were revolutionaries who shaped history with uprisings, activism and passion, rebels, punk rockers, working tirelessly to improve society. ''Vampire The Requiem'''s Bruja? Are a psychopathic criminal biker gang. All of them. It was clearly done to streamline the clans along with many other, more well-received changes, and the Gangrel in the new setting can serve more or less the same purpose, but it does come as a bit of a slap in the face to some older players in order to make a hamfisted attempt to add vampires similar to those from ''Film/FromDuskTillDawn''.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The Brujah becoming the Bruja could very well be this for any player of ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' transitioning over to the new setting; aside from being downgraded from a full-fledged clan to a bloodline, the original Brujah were revolutionaries who shaped history with uprisings, activism and passion, rebels, punk rockers, working tirelessly to improve society. ''Vampire The Requiem'''s Bruja? Are a psychopathic criminal biker gang. gang who proudly uphold greed and sloth as values and makes money by taking part in things like prostitution, drugs-trafficking and illegal arm trading for profit. [[AlwaysChaoticEvil All of them.them]]. It was clearly done to streamline the clans along with many other, more well-received changes, and the Gangrel in the new setting can serve more or less the same purpose, but it does come as a bit of a slap in the face to some older players in order to make a hamfisted attempt to add vampires similar to those from ''Film/FromDuskTillDawn''.
1st Dec '16 10:15:34 AM Theokal3
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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: In the novel ''The Marriage Of Virtue And Viciousness'', an elder speaks of what he's learned from talk radio:
-->"I’ve learned that even our malignance and evil has been surpassed by some mortal sect calling themselves ‘Democrats.’"
12th Nov '16 2:43:28 AM Theokal3
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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: The opening fiction for ''Ghouls'' is the story of a beaten and broken ghoul being teased viciously by his regnant, the stereotypical [[EvilIsSexy female vampire]] (withholding blood, doing torture, withholding sex, etc). After a look into his thoughts about his life and times with her, the ghoul begins to think about betraying her by trapping her in a room exposed to sunlight. Cue the Kindred's appearance: someone seems to have already tried to do that to her. Now she's beaten and broken as well, and then she begins to call on her loyal ghoul for help seeking shelter while regenerating her immortal wounds. He does, completely discarding his treacherous plan.
** At the end of ''Gangrel'', Alice [[spoiler: drains her nephew Little Jack dry]], then, in despair, [[spoiler: Embraces him]]. The story is continued in ''Nosferatu.''
** See YouAreWorthHell.
** The Burakumin may look terrifying but their history is quite sweet. After spending hundreds of years being treated as scum by other Kindred, these guys help Japan recover after WWII and as a result have finally gained the respect they deserve.
30th Sep '16 9:09:50 AM Morgenthaler
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** Which is explored in ''[[PrometheanTheCreated Pandora's Book]]'', which suggests a few ways for crossover-interested Storytellers to work with post-Katrina New Orleans.

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** Which is explored in ''[[PrometheanTheCreated ''[[TabletopGame/PrometheanTheCreated Pandora's Book]]'', which suggests a few ways for crossover-interested Storytellers to work with post-Katrina New Orleans.
6th Jan '16 10:12:32 PM jormis29
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The Brujah becoming the Bruja could very well be this for any player of VampireTheMasquerade transitioning over to the new setting; aside from being downgraded from a full-fledged clan to a bloodline, the original Brujah were revolutionaries who shaped history with uprisings, activism and passion, rebels, punk rockers, working tirelessly to improve society. VampireTheRequiem's Bruja? Are a psychopathic criminal biker gang. All of them. It was clearly done to streamline the clans along with many other, more well-received changes, and the Gangrel in the new setting can serve more or less the same purpose, but it does come as a bit of a slap in the face to some older players in order to make a hamfisted attempt to add vampires similar to those from FromDuskTillDawn.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The Brujah becoming the Bruja could very well be this for any player of VampireTheMasquerade ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' transitioning over to the new setting; aside from being downgraded from a full-fledged clan to a bloodline, the original Brujah were revolutionaries who shaped history with uprisings, activism and passion, rebels, punk rockers, working tirelessly to improve society. VampireTheRequiem's ''Vampire The Requiem'''s Bruja? Are a psychopathic criminal biker gang. All of them. It was clearly done to streamline the clans along with many other, more well-received changes, and the Gangrel in the new setting can serve more or less the same purpose, but it does come as a bit of a slap in the face to some older players in order to make a hamfisted attempt to add vampires similar to those from FromDuskTillDawn.''Film/FromDuskTillDawn''.
30th Dec '15 8:12:39 PM Ajardoor
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**** And by "how well they're treated", it's implied that any ghouls recruited by the Brood are already just as evil as the Brood vampires...so the Brood vampires are happily helping evil ghouls indulge their vices.
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