History YMMV / VampireTheMasquerade

4th Sep '16 6:12:54 AM narm00
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: There was a Second Edition sourcebook called ''Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand'' which proved very unpopular because it suggested that the Sabbat (Already a secret vampire conspiracy to control humanity) was ''itself'' controlled by a secret conspiracy within the Sabbat's "Black Hand" faction, which was ''itself'' called the Black Hand. This "True Black Hand" controlled everything from the land of the dead, residing in the [[OurGhostsAreDifferent ghost of the First City mankind founded]]. There are more details, but things only get ''more'' needlessly complicated and stupid from there. When the next edition of Vampire:The Masquerade came out, they scaled back both new clans introduced in that book to about a dozen members each, declared that the scope of the "True Black Hand"'s power and agenda were extremely exaggerated, and then ''dropped [[OurGhostsAreDifferent a ghost atomic bomb]] on the underworld city they were operating out of'' for good measure.
** Virtually everything in the first edition and early second edition concerning the UsefulNotes/{{Romani}} was deeply racist. Later on, the collaboration between the Romani and the Gangrel would be [[RetCon retconned]]; the founder of Romani-stereotype Clan Ravnos was blasted to flinders ''from orbit'' and the rest of the clan wiped out in the space of a week. Problem solved?
* CompleteMonster: [[GenderBender Sascha Vykos]], born Myca Vykos, is a monster whose legacy dates back to 11th Century Constantinople. Sired by the Tzimisce Symeon, Vykos eventually destroyed his sire by repeatedly consuming and regurgitating him before a final act of draining him to death. Changing his gender and taking the name "Sascha," Vykos became a major figure in the monstrous Sabbat, feared even by her monstrous Clan. Vykos [[TortureTechnician invents new tortures]], having perfected them upon countless unwilling victims whose agony she can prolong for years to centuries, alternating it with incredible pleasure to make the victim unsure if it is experiencing torture or rape. In modern times, Vykos plays a major role in the war for the United States East Coast, using her fellow Sabbat as CannonFodder or torture victims when she's bored. One luckless failed assassin is reshaped to her servant, tortured and broken so she may experiment with how loyal she has made him. With a thousand year reign of horror, an insatiable hunger for knowledge and an unspeakable appetite for torture, Vykos is the one who shows the rest of the Sabbat what it truly means to be a monster.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: There was a Second Edition sourcebook called ''Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand'' which proved very unpopular because it suggested that the Sabbat (Already a secret vampire conspiracy to control humanity) was ''itself'' controlled by a secret conspiracy within the Sabbat's "Black Hand" faction, which was ''itself'' called the Black Hand. This "True Black Hand" controlled everything from the land of the dead, residing in the [[OurGhostsAreDifferent ghost of the First City mankind founded]]. There are more details, but things only get ''more'' needlessly complicated and stupid from there. When the next edition of Vampire:The Vampire: The Masquerade came out, they scaled back both new clans the bloodlines introduced in that book to about a dozen members each, declared that the scope of the "True Black Hand"'s power and agenda were extremely exaggerated, and then ''dropped [[OurGhostsAreDifferent a ghost atomic bomb]] on the underworld city they were operating out of'' for good measure.
** The True Black Hand got brought back in V20, scaling back their ability to influence events, retconning certain of their more egregious aspects so they were more appropriate to the setting and/or optional, and showing that the truth of many of the potentially setting-shaking secrets they were sitting on was unclear even to them.
** Virtually everything in the first edition and early second edition concerning the UsefulNotes/{{Romani}} was deeply racist. Later on, the collaboration between the Romani and the Gangrel would be [[RetCon retconned]]; the founder of Romani-stereotype Clan Ravnos was blasted to flinders ''from orbit'' and most of the rest of the clan wiped out in the space of a week. Problem solved?
* CompleteMonster: [[GenderBender Sascha Vykos]], born Myca Vykos, is a monster whose legacy dates back to 11th Century Constantinople. Sired by the Tzimisce Symeon, Vykos eventually destroyed his sire by repeatedly consuming and regurgitating him before a final act of draining him to death. Changing Removing his gender and taking the name "Sascha," Vykos became a major figure in the monstrous Sabbat, feared even by her its monstrous Clan. Vykos [[TortureTechnician invents new tortures]], having perfected them upon countless unwilling victims whose agony she it can prolong for years to centuries, alternating it with incredible pleasure to make the victim unsure if it is they're experiencing torture or rape. In modern times, Vykos plays a major role in the war for the United States East Coast, using her its fellow Sabbat as CannonFodder or torture victims when she's it's bored. One luckless failed assassin is reshaped to her as its servant, tortured and broken so she it may experiment with how loyal she it has made him. With a thousand year reign of horror, an insatiable hunger for knowledge and an unspeakable appetite for torture, Vykos is the one who shows the rest of the Sabbat what it truly means to be a monster.
3rd Sep '16 2:52:14 PM GoblinCipher
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** Virtually everything in the first edition and early second edition concerning the UsefulNotes/{{Romani}} was deeply racist. Later on, the collaboration between the Romani and the Gangrel would be [[RetCon retconned]]; the founder of Romani-stereotype Clan Ravnos was blasted to flinders ''from orbit'' and the rest of the clan wiped out in the space of a week.

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** Virtually everything in the first edition and early second edition concerning the UsefulNotes/{{Romani}} was deeply racist. Later on, the collaboration between the Romani and the Gangrel would be [[RetCon retconned]]; the founder of Romani-stereotype Clan Ravnos was blasted to flinders ''from orbit'' and the rest of the clan wiped out in the space of a week. Problem solved?
3rd Sep '16 2:52:02 PM GoblinCipher
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** Virtually everything in the first edition and early second edition concerning the UsefulNotes/{{Romany}} was deeply racist. Later on, the collaboration between the Romany and the Gangrel would be [[RetCon retconned]]; the founder of Romany-stereotype Clan Ravnos was blasted to flinders ''from orbit'' and the rest of the clan wiped out in the space of a week.

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** Virtually everything in the first edition and early second edition concerning the UsefulNotes/{{Romany}} UsefulNotes/{{Romani}} was deeply racist. Later on, the collaboration between the Romany Romani and the Gangrel would be [[RetCon retconned]]; the founder of Romany-stereotype Romani-stereotype Clan Ravnos was blasted to flinders ''from orbit'' and the rest of the clan wiped out in the space of a week.
3rd Sep '16 2:51:38 PM GoblinCipher
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** Virtually everything in the first edition and early second edition concerning the [[UsefulNotes/{{Romany}}]] was deeply racist. Later on, the collaboration between the Romany and the Gangrel would be [[RetCon retconned]]; the founder of Romany-stereotype Clan Ravnos was blasted to flinders ''from orbit'' and the rest of the clan wiped out in the space of a week.

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** Virtually everything in the first edition and early second edition concerning the [[UsefulNotes/{{Romany}}]] UsefulNotes/{{Romany}} was deeply racist. Later on, the collaboration between the Romany and the Gangrel would be [[RetCon retconned]]; the founder of Romany-stereotype Clan Ravnos was blasted to flinders ''from orbit'' and the rest of the clan wiped out in the space of a week.
3rd Sep '16 2:51:26 PM GoblinCipher
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** Virtually everything in the first edition and early second edition concerning the [[UsefulNotes/{{Romany}}]] was deeply racist. Later on, the collaboration between the Romany and the Gangrel would be [[RetCon retconned]]; the founder of Romany-stereotype Clan Ravnos was blasted to flinders ''from orbit'' and the rest of the clan wiped out in the space of a week.
3rd Sep '16 2:46:04 PM GoblinCipher
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* TrueArtIsAngsty: In many ways Vampire: the Masquerade (along with TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}) created the DarkerAndEdgier [[TabletopGame/TheWhisperingVault movement]] [[TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}} of today]] and the original Gothic Horror of the 90's. The nihilism of Generation X, depression, punk literature and bleak mindset of the turning of the Millenium is what gave force and shape to this setting. It was so dark and bleak at its peak that TabletopGame/CastleFalkenstein and many other tabletop games were created specifically as an escape for roleplayers who didn't want a dark, soulless, brutal game everytime they touched a dice.

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* OutOfFocus: If you read the first or second edition rulebook, you'll get the idea that the game is a power struggle between the Brujah, anarchs, and young vampires in one camp and the Tremere, Toreador, Ventrue and elders in the other. Everything encourages player characters to be heavily invested in the conflict. As the {{Metaplot}} progressed, the [[EldritchAbomination Tzimisce]], [[DarkerAndEdgier Setites]], and the [[SpotlightStealingSquad Salubri]] gradually took over the narrative; out of the initial big four only the Tremere retained their relevance right to the end (and mostly because of their connection with the Salubri founder, Saulot).
* TrueArtIsAngsty: In many ways Vampire: ''Vampire: the Masquerade Masquerade'' (along with TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}) created the DarkerAndEdgier [[TabletopGame/TheWhisperingVault movement]] [[TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}} of today]] and the original Gothic Horror of the 90's. The nihilism of Generation X, depression, punk literature and bleak mindset of the turning of the Millenium Millennium is what gave force and shape to this setting. It was so dark and bleak at its peak that TabletopGame/CastleFalkenstein and many other tabletop games were created specifically as an escape for roleplayers who didn't want a dark, soulless, brutal game everytime they touched a dice.die.
8th Aug '16 8:26:05 PM Angeldeb82
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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: The narrator's description of the [[TheScrappy Followers of Set]] in the revised edition of Clanbook: Ravnos: "This clan must have [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall stepped out of a]] [[SelfDeprecatingHumor bad fantasy pulp]]. "Okay, we're all dead and we [[ReligionOfEvil worship an evil snake god!]] [[SnakesAreSexy 'Cause he has snakes!"]] At this point, one almost expected the [[VillainousIncest Giovanni]] entry to start off with "[[WesternAnimation/SouthPark Shut your *** ing face]], [[VulgarHumor uncle *** ...]]"
** Quite a bit of the Ravnos clanbook was [[DeadpanSnarker snarking]] at the others. Comes of being a clan of jokers to start with and then having little left to lose after [[WhamEpisode the Week of Nightmares.]]

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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: The narrator's description of the [[TheScrappy Followers of Set]] in the revised edition of Clanbook: Ravnos: "This clan must have [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall stepped out of a]] [[SelfDeprecatingHumor bad fantasy pulp]]. " "Okay, we're all dead and we [[ReligionOfEvil worship an evil snake god!]] god]]! [[SnakesAreSexy 'Cause he has snakes!"]] snakes!]]" At this point, one almost expected the [[VillainousIncest Giovanni]] entry to start off with "[[WesternAnimation/SouthPark "[[WesternAnimation/SouthParkBiggerLongerAndUncut Shut your *** ing face]], face,]] [[VulgarHumor uncle *** ...]]"
** Quite a bit of the Ravnos clanbook was [[DeadpanSnarker snarking]] at the others. Comes of being a clan of jokers to start with and then having little left to lose after [[WhamEpisode the Week of Nightmares.]]Nightmares]].



** The prose introduction for the Baali clanbook features a supposedly respected abbot having sex with a [[{{Shotacon}} preteen boy]]. After a few minutes, misshapen maggots begin crawling from ''inside the boy'' straight up ''the man's urethra'' as the boy, a Baali vampire posing as a mortal, clenches down with his knees to prevent the man from escaping, breaking several ribs in the process as the maggots begin burrowing, feeding, and laying eggs in his abdomen. This is only ''part'' of how the Baali [[WithFriendsLikeThese choose their new initiates]]. At this point, you can stop reading now and count yourself lucky.

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** The prose introduction for the Baali clanbook features a supposedly respected abbot having sex with a [[{{Shotacon}} [[{{Lolicon}} preteen boy]]. After a few minutes, misshapen maggots begin crawling from ''inside the boy'' straight up ''the man's urethra'' as the boy, a Baali vampire posing as a mortal, clenches down with his knees to prevent the man from escaping, breaking several ribs in the process as the maggots begin burrowing, feeding, and laying eggs in his abdomen. This is only ''part'' of how the Baali [[WithFriendsLikeThese choose their new initiates]]. At this point, you can stop reading now and count yourself lucky.



* VillainSue: Fighting Caine: "You lose."
** This is averted in Ari Marmell's ''Gehenna: the Final Night'' novel, where Beckett meets a vampire calling himself Kumpanios who is a helpful, curious, friendly, vampire [[spoiler: and is actually Caine, despite not actually admitting it.]]
30th Jul '16 7:33:48 AM aurora369
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** The Russian part of the fandom tends to refer to Old Clan Tzimisce as "Zimischi". The clan's original name is just as unpronounceable in Russian as it is in English, and the Old Clan faction is canonically prominent in Russia - so it needs a Russified name, and Zimischi it is. Most use a different transliteration for the Sabbat Tzimisce ("Tsimiskhi" is the most common).

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** The Russian part of the fandom tends to refer to Old Clan Tzimisce as "Zimischi". The clan's original name is just as unpronounceable in Russian as it is in English, and the Old Clan faction is canonically prominent in Russia - so it needs a Russified name, and Zimischi it is. It means something like "Great Winters". Most use a different ''different'' transliteration for the Sabbat Tzimisce ("Tsimiskhi" is the most common).common). So there is Tsimiskhi the Sabbat clan, and Zimischi the Independent clan.
30th Jul '16 7:32:19 AM aurora369
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** The Russian part of the fandom tends to refer to Old Clan Tzimisce as "Zimischi". The clan's original name is just as unpronounceable in Russian as it is in English, and the Old Clan faction is canonically prominent in Russia - so it needs a Russified name, and Zimischi it is. Most use a different transliteration for the Sabbat Tzimisce ("Tsimiskhi" is the most common).
16th Jul '16 9:35:39 AM JeremySkunk
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* AuthorsSavingThrow:* There was a Second Edition sourcebook called ''Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand'' which proved very unpopular because it suggested that the Sabbat (Already a secret vampire conspiracy to control humanity) was ''itself'' controlled by a secret conspiracy within the Sabbat's "Black Hand" faction, which was ''itself'' called the Black Hand. This "True Black Hand" controlled everything from the land of the dead, residing in the [[OurGhostsAreDifferent ghost of the First City mankind founded]]. There are more details, but things only get ''more'' needlessly complicated and stupid from there. When the next edition of Vampire:The Masquerade came out, they scaled back both new clans introduced in that book to about a dozen members each, declared that the scope of the "True Black Hand"'s power and agenda were extremely exaggerated, and then ''dropped [[OurGhostsAreDifferent a ghost atomic bomb]] on the underworld city they were operating out of'' for good measure.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow:* AuthorsSavingThrow: There was a Second Edition sourcebook called ''Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand'' which proved very unpopular because it suggested that the Sabbat (Already a secret vampire conspiracy to control humanity) was ''itself'' controlled by a secret conspiracy within the Sabbat's "Black Hand" faction, which was ''itself'' called the Black Hand. This "True Black Hand" controlled everything from the land of the dead, residing in the [[OurGhostsAreDifferent ghost of the First City mankind founded]]. There are more details, but things only get ''more'' needlessly complicated and stupid from there. When the next edition of Vampire:The Masquerade came out, they scaled back both new clans introduced in that book to about a dozen members each, declared that the scope of the "True Black Hand"'s power and agenda were extremely exaggerated, and then ''dropped [[OurGhostsAreDifferent a ghost atomic bomb]] on the underworld city they were operating out of'' for good measure.
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