History YMMV / UnseenAcademicals

2nd Jun '18 6:27:14 PM DarkPhoenix94
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** Nutt. Troubled past, brooding, good at everything...the list goes on. One wonders how the race was "annihilated" when they are so perfect? The only two things Nutt doesn't demonstrate excellence in is [[SquishyWizard magic]] and [[StayInTheKitchen cooking]].

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** Nutt. Troubled past, brooding, good at everything...the list goes on. One wonders how the race was "annihilated" when they are so perfect? The only two three things Nutt doesn't demonstrate excellence in is are [[SquishyWizard magic]] and magic]], [[StayInTheKitchen cooking]].cooking]], and [[NoSocialSkills social skills]].
2nd Jun '18 6:26:29 PM DarkPhoenix94
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*** The answer to that is largely because Nutt was encouraged to explore his potential, and was given the vast library and resources of Lady Margalotta to do so. Also, Nutt is not necessarily a cipher for all orcs beyond the fact that they're not necessarily violent monsters.



* [[ScifiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale Fantasy Writers have Inconsistent Scaling]]: The value of a dollar fluctuates wildly over the course of the book. $25 is considered to be a month's wages for a cook (so roughly $40-50 per American). A city bus home costs one pence, which converts to ~$0.50 American. The budget night bus to the next town costs $2.50, which would be $100 by this standard. However, the rubber soccer ball costs $20, which would mean it costs $1000 American, and they are being given away freely. Nutt also shoes a horse for express passage for four and $5, which would be valued at at least $25 Ank Morpork, or thousands of American dollars. While the price is considered steep in-story, that's absurd.

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* [[ScifiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale Fantasy Writers have Inconsistent Scaling]]: The value of a dollar fluctuates wildly over the course of the book. $25 is considered to be a month's wages for a cook (so roughly $40-50 per American). A city bus home costs one pence, which converts to ~$0.50 American. The budget night bus to the next town costs $2.50, which would be $100 by this standard. However, the rubber soccer ball costs $20, which would mean it costs $1000 American, and they are being given away freely. Nutt also shoes a horse for express passage for four and $5, which would be valued at at least $25 Ank Ankh Morpork, or thousands of American dollars. While the price is considered steep in-story, that's absurd.
18th May '18 7:07:09 PM BenOfHouston
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* [[ScifiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale Fantasy Writers have Inconsistent Scaling]]: The value of a dollar fluctuates wildly over the course of the book. $25 is considered to be a month's wages for a cook (so roughly $40-50 per American). A city bus home costs one pence, which converts to ~$0.50 American. The budget night bus to the next town costs $2.50, which would be $100 by this standard. However, the rubber soccer ball costs $20, which would mean it costs $1000 American, and they are being given away freely. Nutt also shoes a horse for express passage for four and $5, which would be valued at at least $25 Ank Morpork, or thousands of American dollars. While the price is considered steep in-story, that's absurd.
12th May '18 7:24:20 PM BenOfHouston
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* MartyStu: Nutt. Troubled past, brooding, good at everything...the list goes on. One wonders how the race was "annihilated" when they are so perfect? The only two things Nutt doesn't demonstrate excellence in is [[SquishyWizard magic]] and [[StayInTheKitchen cooking]].
** Vetinari has always tread this line, being a near-omniscient big-good who is better than almost everyone in almost everything and plays five steps ahead of everyone else. He only avoids this by staying out of focus and his ultra-competence being used for comedy. In fact, Nut is quite reminiscent of how Vetinari would be in troubled circumstances.

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* MartyStu: Nutt.MartyStu:
**Nutt.
Troubled past, brooding, good at everything...the list goes on. One wonders how the race was "annihilated" when they are so perfect? The only two things Nutt doesn't demonstrate excellence in is [[SquishyWizard magic]] and [[StayInTheKitchen cooking]].
** Vetinari has always tread this line, being a near-omniscient big-good who is better than almost everyone in almost everything and plays five steps ahead of everyone else. He only avoids this by staying out of focus and his ultra-competence being used for comedy. In fact, Nut Nutt is quite reminiscent of how Vetinari would be in troubled circumstances.
12th May '18 7:20:42 PM BenOfHouston
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** Vetinari has always tread this line, being a near-omniscient big-good who is better than almost everyone in almost everything and plays five steps ahead of everyone else. He only avoids this by staying out of focus and his ultra-competence being used for comedy. In fact, Nut is quite reminiscent of how Vetinari would be in troubled circumstances.
7th Jul '17 6:09:14 AM SlaughterhouseDb
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* MartyStu: Nutt. Troubled past, brooding, good at everything...the list goes on. One wonders how the race was "annihilated" when they are so perfect? The only two things Nutt doesn't demonstrate excellence in is [[SquishyWizard magic]] and [[StayInTheKitchen cooking]].
21st Jan '16 7:56:57 PM Discar
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* CanonSue: Nutt. Granted, this might be a result of his story feeling a bit shoehorned in from a different manuscript at times, with all the setbacks and failures removed from there to get the book down to an acceptable length. What's left is a character who succeeds at everything he tries in ways beyond everyone else's abilities. Scene after scene is spent telling the reader about his abilities, how impressed other characters (except the bad guys, of course) are with what he can do and things usually associated with the term 'Mary Sue'. There's an attempt to justify everything and give him self-esteem issues as a flaw, but the justification just opens up more [[FridgeLogic questions]] and the flaw isn't having any actual impact on him. At all.
17th Jun '15 8:20:59 PM Vandegraff1
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* FridgeBrilliance: If the [[spoiler: orcs]] seem over-designed for their racial purpose as a cannon fodder slave race, remember that their creator was most likely assisted by an [[TheIgor Igor]]. Igors have a tendency of exceeding expectations, and when the marthter decided to create a race of superior soldiers, his Igor probably put more thought into what makes a good soldier than he did.
** The way Her Ladyship drove Nutt so very hard to teach him to be worthy, and sent the Sisters to watch him, makes sense if you recall that [[spoiler: she's the founder of the Uberwald Temperance Movement, and a reformed vampire herself. She knows how a vampire's b-word-thirst constantly gnaws at them, pressuring them to prey on people if they don't keep their minds occupied and have others watching them for signs of backsliding, and she mistakenly assumed that orcs' aggressive impulses might work the same way.]]
** In a very minor example, Vetinari bids Ridcully goodbye by saying "Please don't let me trespass any further on your time." To readers familiar with his usual "Don't let me detain you", this is an ''impressive'' indication that he respects Ridcully's position as separate from, but of equal stature to, his own: he doesn't pull his usual could-be-a-threat PolitenessJudo on the Archchancellor.
** At the end, when Nutt addresses the crowd after the game, he stands with his arms crossed. This is how Glenda stands when she's putting up a stern, uncompromising front. Nutt copies other's mannerisms to fit in, so he learned the crossed-arms pose from her.
** Rincewind plays the part of the Megapode in the Megapode-hunting ritual. Even though he's back in the UU and among friends, he still ends up being chased.
* FridgeHorror: Micromail proves to be very beneficial for the protagonists in this book, and is accessible exclusively in Ankh-Morpork. But come ''Discworld/RaisingSteam'', the Grags have gotten hold of it...
10th Feb '15 2:36:17 PM WanderingBrowser
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* WhatAnIdiot: The Librarian [[spoiler: eating the poisoned banana.]]
** [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] - considering the Librarian's reputation and how everyone else regards him, [[spoiler: who would be stupid enough to try poisoning him with even a sedative?]]
** And also foreshadowed, much earlier, when it's mentioned that [[spoiler:unlike men, who waste a lot of time asking questions like "I seem to see a banana, but could my senses be deceiving me?", an orangutan will just eat the banana]].
** The Librarian's habit of taste-testing anything he happens upon isn't new; it's why he's unofficially banned from the High Energy Magic building.

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* WhatAnIdiot: WhatAnIdiot:
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The Librarian [[spoiler: eating the poisoned banana.]]
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]] [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] - considering the Librarian's reputation and how everyone else regards him, [[spoiler: who would be stupid enough to try poisoning him with even a sedative?]]
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sedative?]] And also foreshadowed, much earlier, when it's mentioned that [[spoiler:unlike men, who waste a lot of time asking questions like "I seem to see a banana, but could my senses be deceiving me?", an orangutan will just eat the banana]].
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banana]]. The Librarian's habit of taste-testing anything he happens upon isn't new; it's why he's unofficially banned from the High Energy Magic building.building.
** Mrs. Atkinson, who [[spoiler: poisoned the Librarian in the first place, having failed to realise that being an old lady with a big vicious son might protect her from retribution in the Shove, but will do nothing to stop the wizards or, for that matter, the angry Librarian himself punishing her.]]
3rd May '14 3:26:36 PM Generality
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* FridgeHorror: Micromail proves to be very beneficial for the protagonists in this book, and is accessible exclusively in Ankh-Morpork. But come ''Discworld/RaisingSteam'', the Grags have gotten hold of it...
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