History YMMV / TurtlesForever

** Played ''very'' straight with Shredder and Krang, who went from goofy but somewhat menacing in the '87 show to entirely useless here. Justified in that they're nothing compared to [[EvilerThanThou the Utrom Shredder]]. Although given that they had access to the Super Technodrome after the end and were still planning to use ''a giggle ray'' to attack kinda implied that they're still decayed.

* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything:
-->'''1987 Leonardo''': Ever since [[UsefulNotes/TheWarOnTerror that big explosion]], New York just hasn't been the same!

* BrokenBase: The movie's treatment of the 1987-verse is heavily divisive among the fandom. While some saw their exaggerated characterizations as tounge-in-cheek that helped extenuate how out of their element they were when thrown into unfamiliar worlds, as well as the message that every group of turtles is valid regardless of their personality; others, (particularly fans of the 1987 series) hated how it made the '87 turtles look like fools, feeling like it only served to make the '03 turtles look good and to insult to the old series.

* BrokenBase: The movie's treatment of the 1987-verse is heavily divisive among fans of that series. While some saw their exaggerated characterizations as tounge-in-cheek that helped extenuate how out of their element they were when thrown into unfamiliar worlds, as well as the message that every group of turtles is valid regardless of their personality; others, (particularly fans of the 1987 series) hated how it made the '87 turtles look like fools, feeling like it only served to make the '03 turtles look good and to insult to the old series.

* BrokenBase: The movie's treatment of the 1987-verse is heavily divisive among fans of that series. While some saw their exaggerated characterizations as tounge-in-cheek that helped extenuate how out of their element they were when thrown into unfamiliar worlds, as well as the message that every group of turtles is valid regardless of their personality; others, (particularly fans of the 1987 series) hated how it made the '87 turtles look like fools that only served to make the '03 turtles look good, and was done as insult to that series.

* AuthorsSavingThrow: After the unpopular change in art styles for the 2003 series for the ''Back to the Sewers'' season, this film switches back to the original art style.

* BrokenBase: The movie's treatment of the 1987-verse is heavily divisive among fans of that series.

* SacredCow: Despite the complete {{Flanderization}} of the rest of the '87 cast, Splinter was the only character who was kept faithful to his original portrayal.

* {{Fanon}}: There's a little bit of fan speculation that due to meeting their more serious 2003 and Mirage counterparts, the 80s Turtles decided to up the ante and become more serious characters. And thus, ''Turtles Forever'' was, in a way, responsible for the "Red Sky" seasons of the first Ninja Turtles show.

** Creator/DougWalker liked the movie enough that he threw out the {{caustic|Critic}} [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic Critic]] persona and praised it out-of-character. (This was before Walker gave his thoughts on movies out-of-character on a regular basis).
** On the opposite end of the spectrum, Walker's [[WeUsedToBeFriends former]] colleague WebVideo/{{Phelous}} was one of the few internet critics to give it an overwhelmingly negative review, both because he had genuinely been looking forward to seeing the 1987 characters return (as opposed to a parody of them) and because all of the jokes about the old show could be summed up as "We hate the 1987 cartoon! [[TakeThat It sucked!]] Look at how fucking stupid their Turtles were!" When the review eventually hit [=YouTube=], he added a disclaimer stating that it was made before he watched the 2003 series, which he's gone on to enjoy, but that many of the points regarding the 1987 series' treatment still stand.
** Doug Walker's brother, Rob, had a somewhat negative opinion of ''Turtles Forever'' when it came up in a later video about the Ninja Turtle movies, being of the opinion that the creators made the '87 Turtles look stupid purely because they were insecure about their own show. It wasn't entirely negative, as he did enjoy some aspects of the film, but being a fan of the 80s Turtles he wasn't pleased that they were treated so childishly.
** Captain Logan from Geekvolution, by contrast, agrees with Phelous for some of his criticisms, like the fact that the 80's Turtles and other characters were treated like a parody of themselves and were out of character, but otherwise enjoyed the film for the majority of the things it does right, like the comedy and commentary on the TMNT brand.
** [[WebVideo/TVTrash The Rowdy Reviewer]] has by far the most positive take on the movie arguing that it actually treats the 1987 characters with far more dignity than most realize and that most of the insults towards them are from either jerkasses or villains and shouldn't be taken at face value.

** 2003 Shredder's death. Sure it overlaps with [[Funny two]] [[Awesome other categories.]] [[AssholeVictim and he did desvere it]] but watching him get shredded by his own device while [[DeathWail he's screaming in clear pain]] is a pretty dark way to end him.

** 2003 Shredder's death. Sure it overlaps with [[MomentOfFunny two]] [[MomentOfAwesome other categories.]] [[AssholeVictim and he did desvere it]] but watching him get shredded by his own device while [[DeathWail he's screaming in clear pain]] is a pretty dark way to end him.

** 2003 Shredder's death. Sure it overlaps with [[Funny Moments two]] [[Awesome Moments other categories.]] [[AssholeVictim and he did desvere it]] but watching him get shredded by his own device while [[DeathWail he's screaming in clear pain]] is a pretty dark way to end him.

** 2003 Shredder's death. Sure it overlaps with [[FunnyMoments two]] [[AwesomeMoments other categories.]] [[AssholeVictim and he did desvere it]] but watching him get shredded by his own device while [[DeathWail he's screaming in clear pain]] is a pretty dark way to end him.

** 2003 Shredder's death. Sure it overlaps with [[MomentofFunny]] [[Awsome other catogries.]] [[AssholeVictim and he did desvere it]] but watching him get shredded by his own device while [[DeathWail he's screaming in clear pain]] is a pretty dark way to end him.

** 2003 Shredder's death. Sure it overlaps with [[FunnyMoments two]] [[MomentOfAwesome other catogries.]] [[AssholeVictim and he did desvere it]] but watching him get shredded by his own device while [[DeathWail he's screaming in clear pain]] is a pretty dark way to end him.

** On the opposite end of the spectrum, Walker's [[WeUsedToBeFriends former]] colleague WebVideo/{{Phelous}} was one of the few internet critics to give it an overwhelmingly negative review, both because he had genuinely been looking forward to seeing the 1987 characters return (as opposed to a parody of them) and because all of the jokes about the old show could be summed up as "We hate the 1987 cartoon! [[TakeThat It sucked!]] Look at how fucking stupid their Turtles were!"
** Doug Walker's brother, Rob, had a somewhat negative opinion of ''Turtles Forever'' when it came up in a later video about the Ninja Turtle movies, being of the opinion that the creators made the '87 Turtles look stupid purely because they were insecure about their own show. It wasn't entirely negative, as he did enjoy some aspects of the film, but being a fan of the 80s Turtles he wasn't pleased that they were treated so childishly. When the review hit YouTube, he added a disclaimer informing the viewer that it was made before he watched the 2003 series, which he's gone on to enjoy, but that many of the points regarding the 1987 series' treatment still stand.

** Doug Walker's brother, Rob, had a somewhat negative opinion of ''Turtles Forever'' when it came up in a later video about the Ninja Turtle movies, being of the opinion that the creators made the '87 Turtles look stupid purely because they were insecure about their own show. It wasn't entirely negative, as he did enjoy some aspects of the film, but being a fan of the 80s Turtles he wasn't pleased that they were treated so childishly.

** Raph and Leo's brief conversation with the Splinter from the 80's cartoon has a whole new meaning when you remember that that Splinter ''is'' Hamato Yoshi.

** On the opposite end of the spectrum, Walker's [[WeUsedToBeFriends former]] colleague WebVideo/{{Phelous}} was one of the few internet critics to give it an overwhelmingly negative review, both because he had genuinely been looking forward to seeing the 1987 characters return (as opposed to a parody of them) and because the all of the jokes about the old show could be summed up as "We hate the 1987 cartoon! [[TakeThat It sucked!]] Look at how fucking stupid their Turtles were!"

* BrokenBase: Apparently, the movie's treatment of the 1987-verse divided some of the older show's fanbase. For instance, Creator/DougWalker liked the movie enough that he threw out the {{caustic|Critic}} [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic Critic]] persona and praised it out-of-character. By contrast, Walker's [[WeUsedToBeFriends former]] colleague WebVideo/{{Phelous}} was one of the few internet critics to give it an overwhelmingly negative review, both because he had genuinely been looking forward to seeing the 1987 characters return (as opposed to a parody of them) and because the all of the jokes about the old show could be summed up as "We hate the 1987 cartoon! [[TakeThat It sucked!]] Look at how fucking stupid their Turtles were!" Not so much negative he did enjoy some aspects of it. But being a fan of the 80's Turtles, he wasn't pleased that they were treated so childishly. Doug Walker's brother Rob had a more negative opinion of ''Turtles Forever'' when it came up in a later video about the Ninja Turtle movies, being of the opinion that the creators made the 80's Turtles look stupid because they were insecure about their own show. Captain Logan from Geekvolution, by contrast, agrees with Phelous for some of his criticisms, like the fact that the 80's Turtles and other characters were treated like a parody of themselves and were out of character, but otherwise enjoyed the film for the majority of the things it does right, like most of the comedy and commentary on the TMNT brand.

** Played ''very'' straight with Shredder and Krang, who went from goofy but somewhat menacing in the '87 show to entirely useless here.
*** Justified in that they're nothing compared to [[EvilerThanThou the Utrom Shredder]]. Although given that they had access to the Super Technodrome after the end and were still planning to use ''a giggle ray'' to attack kinda implied that they're still decayed.

* BrokenBase: Apparently, the movie's treatment of the 1987-verse divided some of the older show's fanbase. For instance, Creator/DougWalker liked the movie enough that he threw out the {{caustic|Critic}} [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic Critic]] persona and praised it out-of-character. By contrast, Walker's [[WeUsedToBeFriends former]] colleague WebVideo/{{Phelous}} was one of the few internet critics to give it an overwhelmingly negative review, both because he had genuinely been looking forward to seeing the 1987 characters return (as opposed to a parody of them) and because the all of the jokes about the old show could be summed up as "We hate the 1987 cartoon! [[TakeThat It sucked!]] Look at how fucking stupid their Turtles were!"
** Not so much negative he did enjoy some aspects of it. But being a fan of the 80's Turtles, he wasn't pleased that they were treated so childishly. Doug Walker's brother Rob had a more negative opinion of ''Turtles Forever'' when it came up in a later video about the Ninja Turtle movies, being of the opinion that the creators made the 80's Turtles look stupid because they were insecure about their own show.
** Captain Logan from Geekvolution, by contrast, agrees with Phelous for some of his criticisms, like the fact that the 80's Turtles and other characters were treated like a parody of themselves and were out of character, but otherwise enjoyed the film for the majority of the things it does right, like most of the comedy and commentary on the TMNT brand.

* HilariousInHindsight: Mirage Leo's narration works even better as a parody of Creator/FrankMiller's work [[ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder now]] than in the late 80's.

** 2003 Raphael and Leonardo's conversation with the 1987 Splinter.
*** ''Especially'' in the Uncut version, because that scene references a (deleted from the original) scene where the 2003 Splinter voiced similar sentiments. It seems that no matter where in the Multiverse you go, Splinter is always a rock of stability and calm for the turtles.

* BrokenBase: Apparently, the movie's treatment of the 1987-verse divided some of the older show's fanbase. For instance, Creator/DougWalker liked the movie enough that he threw out the {{caustic|Critic}} [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic Critic]] persona and praised it out-of-character; by contrast, Walker's fellow reviewer (and later [[WeUsedToBeFriends enemy]]) WebVideo/{{Phelous}} was one of the few internet critics to give it an overwhelmingly negative review.

** Captain Logan from Geekvolution, by contrast, agrees with Phelous for some of his criticisms, like the fact that the 80's Turtles and other characters were treated like a parody of themselves and were out of character, but otherwise enjoyed the film for the majority of the things it does right, like the comedy and commentary on the TMNT brand.