YMMV / Turtles Forever

  • Alternate Character Interpretation:
  • Big-Lipped Alligator Moment: When the 1987 and 2003 Turtles visit the 1987 universe for the first time, they witness the 1987 Turtles getting into a battle with a giant mutant banana, pizza monsters, evil leprechauns, and monstrous bowling balls, saving 1987 April in the process. After this scene, the Turtles leave, and 1987 April is abducted by the mutant banana, never to be seen or referenced in the movie again.
  • Broken Base: Apparently, the movie's treatment of the 1987-verse divided some of the older show's fanbase. For instance, Doug Walker liked the movie enough that he threw out the caustic Critic persona and praised it out-of-character; by contrast, Walker's fellow reviewer (and later enemy) Phelous was one of the few internet critics to give it an overwhelmingly negative review.
    • Not so much negative he did enjoy some aspects of it. But being a fan of the 80's Turtles, he wasn't pleased that they were treated so childishly. Doug Walker's brother Rob had a more negative opinion of Turtles Forever when it came up in a later video about the Ninja Turtle movies, being of the opinion that the creators made the 80's Turtles look stupid because they were insecure about their own show.
  • Character Rerailment: Hun's characterization becomes more in line with his pre-Back To The Sewers version, downplaying the comedy (although not completely removing it) to bring back his ruthlessness and combat-effectiveness. He does lose a lot of the independence he'd developed in the fourth and fifth seasons, though he gets over it after being abandoned by the Shredder again.
  • Complete Monster: Ch'Rell is eventually freed by an alternate world counterpart. Taking control of the Technodrome from his saviors, Shredder learns of The Multiverse and goes mad at learning of other Ninja Turtles. He decides to find the Prime Universe to kill those Turtles, believing that will erase all Turtles from existence. His assault on that universe world erase all others from existence, but he does not care that this would include his own daughter. Upon learning their deaths will mean his own destruction, he decides his revenge is more important. Egotistical, sociopathic, and power-hungry, Shredder valued conquest and revenge enough that not even risking the end of life itself would stop him.
  • Fanon: There's a little bit of fan speculation that due to meeting their more serious 2003 and Mirage counterparts, the 80s Turtles decided to up the ante and become more serious characters. And thus, Turtles Forever was, in a way, responsible for the "Red Sky" seasons of the first Ninja Turtles show.
  • "Funny Aneurysm" Moment: "Another fine mess you've gotten us into." Krang, you don't know how accurate you are.
  • Heartwarming in Hindsight: Raph and Leo's brief conversation with the Splinter from the 80's cartoon has a whole new meaning when you remember that that Splinter is Hamato Yoshi.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: Mirage Leo's narration works even better as a parody of Frank Miller's work now than in the late 80's.
    • In one of the interviews, Peter Laird mentions he had no intention of the Shredder becoming the "Darth Vader" of the franchise.
  • Ho Yay: 1987 Shredder when describing Ch'rell, and later Krang's little comment when they located him... it's in the tone of their voices.
  • Moral Event Horizon: 2003 Shredder does it again, as he callously attempts to murder the Turtles by using them to pinpoint Turtle Prime. Granted, he's tried to kill them hundreds of times before... but not while Splinter was watching them die, yes, the other Shredders have attempted this, but there was no real sign of a Deus ex Machina, Chekhov's Gun, or really anything this time that could save them except somebody from the outside, this is what gets Karai to finally switch sides for good.
  • Nightmare Fuel: 2003 Shredder's plan. Destroy the entire universe? Watch as the entire world erases itself, everyone in it and any loved ones you may have before being erased yourself? Pretty frightening.
    • There were a few other examples, such as Hun's quote in one scene.
    Hun: Yes... Mutation, it's a real horror show.
    • In-story example: the Mirage Turtles were this to the 1987 Turtles, who were so afraid of their "willing to kill, dismember your body parts and do it with a smile" counterparts that they dropped their weapons and fled. Hell, even Ch'rell was afraid of them when they got up-close and personal.
  • One-Scene Wonder: Tokka and Rahzar. Also, The Multiverse slideshow.
  • Sacred Cow: Despite the complete Flanderization of the '87 cast, Splinter was the only character who was kept faithful to his original portrayal.
  • The Scrappy: The '87 Turtles are almost unwatchable to fans of the original series, due to Taking a Level in Dumbass, taking nothing seriously, and not retaining their original voice actors.
  • Suspiciously Similar Song: 4Kids couldn't get the rights to the music from the '87 series, so they came up with replacements.
  • Tear Jerker:
    • 2003 Raphael and Leonardo's conversation with the 1987 Splinter.
      • Especially in the Uncut version, because that scene references a (deleted from the original) scene where the 2003 Splinter voiced similar sentiments. It seems that no matter where in the Multiverse you go, Splinter is always a rock of stability and calm for the turtles.
    • Seeing the supporting cast of the 2003 series being erased, along with their world.
  • Villain Decay: This Trope was inverted for threats from the 2003 such as Hun, who mutated into a Turtle monster, while this condition isn't exactly liked, he actually becomes much more powerful to the point where he can no-sell most physical attacks and the only way the Turtles can put a stop to him is by tricking him into running into environmental hazards.
    • Played very straight with Shredder and Krang, who went from goofy but somewhat menacing in the '87 show to entirely useless here.
      • Justified in that they're nothing compared to the Utrom Shredder... Although given that they had access to the Super Technodrome after the end and were still planning to use a giggle ray to attack kinda implied that they're still decayed.
  • Win Back the Crowd: While the movie is divisive for fans of the 80s Turtles, some of the 2003 fans feel that Turtles Forever managed to redeem the 2k3 series after two seasons of serious Seasonal Rot in Fast Forward and Back To The Sewers since some dangling plotlines come full circle in the movie as the Utrom Shredder returns in the film and Karai's loyalty subplot towards him is resolved and the Turtles finally see Ch'rell, their Arch-Enemy since the first season, vanquished at the end.
  • WTH, Casting Agency?: While most people know that the original 1987 actors couldn't reprise their roles for legal reasons, some thought the new actors neither sounded close enough nor acted in spirit to the characters.


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