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** In Season 3, Elaine/Kaiser's absence is quite noticeable when Bam stumbles upon Elaine's father, Elbaba of the Gray Wolf Family. Bam ends up fighting him for several reasons, such as not liking how Elbaba's been mistreating his daughter. Given her connections to Elbaba and the Gray Wolf Family, this seemed like a perfect opportunity to have Elaine finally get involved in the story again after being sidelined since Name Hunt Station. However, Elaine ended up having no involvement in Bam's encounter with her father whatsoever.



** In Season 3, Elaine/Kaiser's absence is quite noticeable when Bam stumbles upon Elaine's father, Elbaba of the Gray Wolf Family. Bam ends up fighting him for several reasons, such as not liking how Elbaba's been mistreating his daughter. Given her connections to Elbaba and the Gray Wolf Family, this seemed like a perfect opportunity to have Elaine finally get involved in the story again after being sidelined since Name Hunt Station. However, Elaine ended up having no involvement in Bam's encounter with her father whatsoever.
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** In Season 3, Elaine/Kaiser's absence is quite noticeable when Bam stumbles upon Elaine's father, Elbaba of the Gray Wolf Family. Bam ends up fighting him for several reasons, such as not liking how Elbaba's been mistreating his daughter. Given her connections to Elbaba and the Gray Wolf Family, this seemed like a perfect opportunity to have Elaine finally get involved in the story again after being sidelined since Name Hunt Station. However, Elaine ended up having no involvement in Bam's encounter with her father whatsoever.
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** Another area of great art during the Hell Train chapters is the duel between Bam and Hoaqin during the "Go To Hell" game. The golden shading and flames seen throughout these chapters look incredible. Especially the moment when Bam is wielding a shinsu sword created from a billion souls.
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** The five Arie siblings that combined to form the FUG Slayer, "White," could have made for some interesting character dynamics. Especially Vicente and David teaming up with Wangnan. Unfortunately, Hoaqin manages to take over as the dominate persona of "White" during the Dallar Show, which causes the other siblings to go dormant for several hundred chapters. Even once the Hoaqin version of "White" is defeated, its only Vicente who reappears, which results in the other siblings still being complete no-shows.

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** The five Arie siblings that combined to form the FUG Slayer, "White," could have made for some interesting character dynamics. Especially Vicente and David teaming up with Wangnan. Unfortunately, Hoaqin manages to take over as the dominate persona of "White" during the Dallar Show, which causes the other siblings to go dormant for several hundred chapters. Even once the Hoaqin version of "White" is defeated, its it's only Vicente who reappears, which results in the other siblings still being complete no-shows.
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** The five Arie siblings that combined to form the FUG Slayer, "White," could have made for some interesting character dynamics. Especially Vicente and David teaming up with Wangnan. Unfortunately, Hoaqin manages to take over as the dominate persona of "White" during the Dallar Show, which causes the other siblings to go dormant for several hundred chapters. Even once the Hoaqin version of "White" is defeated, its only Vicente who reappears, which results in the other siblings still being complete no-shows.
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** Some readers feel that Baylord Yama hasn't lived up to the hype of being a powerful FUG Slayer. His introduction is decent where he gets to show off his strength as the powerful King of the canines during the Cage chapters, but from the moment Yasratcha appears to confront him at the Wall of Peaceful Coexistence, Yama gets hit ''hard'' with TheWorfEffect. Suddenly, almost every battle from then on, especially during the Nest saga, involves Yama getting dunked on. He get so beat up and toyed with throughout the Nest complex that it's left some readers so disappointed in him to the point of not being able to take him, or his status as a FUG Slayer, seriously anymore.

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** Some readers feel that Baylord Yama hasn't lived up to the hype of being a powerful FUG Slayer. His introduction is decent where he gets to show off his strength as the powerful King of the canines during the Cage chapters, but from the moment Yasratcha appears to confront him at the Wall of Peaceful Coexistence, Yama gets hit ''hard'' with TheWorfEffect. Suddenly, almost every battle from then on, especially during the Nest saga, involves Yama getting dunked on. He get gets so beat up and toyed with throughout the Nest complex that it's left some readers so disappointed in him to the point of not being able to take him, or his status as a FUG Slayer, seriously anymore.
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** Some readers feel that Baylord Yama hasn't lived up to the hype of being a powerful FUG Slayer. His introduction is decent where he gets to show off his strength as the powerful King of the canines during the Cage chapters, but from the moment Yasratcha appears to confront him at the Wall of Peaceful Coexistence, Yama gets hit ''hard'' with TheWorfEffect. Suddenly, almost every battle from then on, especially during the Nest saga, involves Yama getting dunked on. He get so beat up and toyed with throughout the Nest complex that it's left some readers so disappointed in him to the point of not being able to take him, or his status as a FUG Slayer, seriously anymore.
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** [=RaKhunBam=]. A common nickname for the TrueCompanions Bam, Khun, and Rak.

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** [=RaKhunBam=]. A common nickname for the TrueCompanions Bam, Khun, and Rak. Became an AscendedMeme in chapter 577 where a room the three of them were given is labeled as the "Rakhunbam Room."
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** The way SIU draws the flames of the Yeon Family are particularly noteworthy. The Yeon flames seen from Ehwa during her Hell Train duel with Angel is absolutely gorgeous to look at.
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** The Season 3 chapters that revolve around infiltrating and battling through the Nest complex is quite fatiguing for some people. Mainly because of how the action scenes are laid out where readers either can't tell what's going on, or the battles are nothing more than BeamSpam wars.
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** Some readers began to feel this way about Rak despite the humanoid crocodile being one of the main characters. This is primarily because, in Season 2, Rak ended up largely OutOfFocus compared to the developments seen for Bam, Khun, and Rachel. It also doesn't help that SIU actually said in an interview that he doesn't enjoy drawing the large version of Rak, which is why Rak is seen in chibi-form almost all the time throughout Season 2. As a result, the fans feel that SIU is holding back on Rak from potentially doing anything badass, and has left the crocodile as nothing more than a chibi-form comic relief character.

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** Some readers began to feel this way about Rak despite the humanoid crocodile being one of the main characters. This is primarily because, in Season 2, Rak ended up largely OutOfFocus compared to the developments seen for Bam, Khun, and Rachel. It also doesn't help that SIU actually said in an interview that he doesn't enjoy drawing the large version of Rak, which is why Rak is seen in chibi-form almost all the time throughout Season 2. As a result, the fans feel that SIU is holding back on Rak from potentially doing anything badass, and has left the crocodile as nothing more than a chibi-form comic relief character. It gets better for Rak by the time of the Hidden Floor where he starts receiving some much needed power-ups, but overall, people are still tired that he's only ever seen in chibi-form a vast majority of the time.
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*** Another oddity to Jahad's behavior is that despite being the BigBad who orders Bam to be killed, surprisingly he seems to currently actually prefer Bam survive and continue to grow. When he appears at the Hidden Floor, he could have pretty much just obliterated Bam without a trace but instead chose to choke him, as if he was just playing the facade of wanting to kill him. He didn't even crush his neck as he easily could have, and when Eduan's data deletes his hand, he still has his other hand yet he does nothing to stop Bam from escaping. He even states that he will wait for Bam to face him again in the future, further supporting the possibility that Jahad doesn't really want Bam dead or at least not yet. Not to mention that he is indicated to be capable of intervening anytime he likes and hunting Bam down himself, considering Gustang being able to do so, and yet he has as of now yet to appear to impede Bam's progress directly.

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*** Another oddity to Jahad's behavior is that despite being the BigBad who orders Bam to be killed, surprisingly he seems to currently actually prefer Bam survive and continue to grow. When he appears at the Hidden Floor, he could have pretty much just obliterated Bam without a trace but instead chose to choke him, as if he was just playing the facade of wanting to kill him. He didn't even crush his neck as he easily could have, and when Eduan's data deletes his hand, he still has his other hand yet he does nothing to stop Bam from escaping. He even states that he will wait for Bam to face him again in the future, further supporting the possibility that Jahad doesn't really want Bam dead or at least not yet. Not to mention that he is indicated to be capable of intervening anytime he likes and hunting Bam down himself, considering Gustang being able to do so, and yet he has as of now yet to appear to impede Bam's progress directly. [[spoiler:This becomes even more evident when we see Traumerei and Jahad interact. Jahad had every chance to tell Traumerei to kill Bam quickly, as Traumerei has made it clear he would have done so regardless of his own wishes had Jahad commanded, and yet he allows Traumerei to test Bam and is even willing to give Bam a chance to join the Empire]].
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* TheWoobie: Bam is adorable, kind, optimistic, determined, and gets to suffer quite a bit.
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** Lo Po Bia Yasratcha is starting to be considered this, by facto of having been quite the Yandere, and an ineffectual one at that. Numerous fans who initially liked him started to hold him in disdain for his selfishness, which got even worse after he massacred the Canines despite the fact he could have let them leave as Wangwang intended. And while Traumerei is far from being a nice guy, Yasratcha's Hypocrite and NeverMyFault attitude means fans tend to prefer Traumerei, who doesn't lie, is honest about being superior, and displays more honor and mercy, in addition to being quite cool.

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** Lo Po Bia Yasratcha is starting to be considered this, by facto of having been quite the Yandere, {{Yandere}}, and an ineffectual one at that. Numerous fans who initially liked him started to hold him in disdain for his selfishness, which got even worse after he massacred the Canines despite the fact he could have let them leave as Wangwang intended. And while Traumerei is far from being a nice guy, Yasratcha's Hypocrite {{Hypocrite}} and NeverMyFault attitude means fans tend to prefer Traumerei, who doesn't lie, is honest about being superior, and displays more honor and mercy, in addition to being quite cool.
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* WhatAnIdiot: Mazino. A couple hundred years back, he stumbled upon a spawn of the 43rd Floor's previous Administrator--the Red Thryssa, a very powerful little creature that comes up periodically. While he does acknowledge the danger it could possess should someone with the wrong mindset get a hold of it, what does he do? [[spoiler:He hands it over to a well-meaning, but weak man who won him over with his hopeful aspirations, thinking he'd use it for good. That man eventually becomes the childish tyrant Hell Joe after an event gone wrong and the Red Thryssa grooming him after symbiosis.]] A lot of problems could have been avoided had Mazino been absolutely certain about where this power was going, or even if he just destroyed it after finding it. To be fair, even he admits he messed up.
* TheWoobie: Bam is adorable, kind, optimistic, determined, and gets to suffer quite a bit.
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** If a fanfic ever states what specific floor Khun Eduan rules, it'll likely be the 111th Floor. This one's due to the sheer popularity of ''all the blue in the world won’t do, without you'', a fic which focuses on the future "Khun Family arc" that's occasionally brought up in [[{{AllThereInTheManual}} blog posts]].

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** If a fanfic ever states what specific floor Khun Eduan rules, it'll likely be the 111th Floor. This one's due to the sheer popularity of ''all ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/24341269/chapters/58693822 all the blue in the world won’t do, without you'', you]]'', a fic which focuses on the future "Khun Family arc" that's occasionally brought up in [[{{AllThereInTheManual}} blog posts]].
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* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: "Guardian" in the anime soundtrack (played in the final round of the Crown Game) has a distinct bass drop in the background of the last part; you may recognize it from the opening rave scene of ''[[Film/Blade1998 Blade]]'' (the specific track is "Confusion (1995 Pump Panel Remix)" by Music/NewOrder).

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* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: "Guardian" in the anime soundtrack (played in the final round of the Crown Game) has a distinct bass drop in the background of around the last part; 3:00 mark; you may recognize it from the opening rave scene of ''[[Film/Blade1998 Blade]]'' (the specific track is "Confusion (1995 Pump Panel Remix)" by Music/NewOrder).



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** Explanations/discoveries that are needed to understand the nature of the Tower and/or the plot, such as:
*** The full description of [[PureMagic shinsu]], [[EnergyBall baangs]][[labelnote:*]]in broad strokes, they [[FantasticMeasurementSystem measure]] the number of shinsu blasts someone can independently control[[/labelnote]], the noteworthiness of the Irregulars [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Phantaminum]] and [[CreatingLife Enryu]], and the relevance of each [[CharacterClassSystem position]];
*** The role that [[TheChessmaster Yu Hansung]] played in manipulating Rachel and Bam into FUG; and
*** The varying importance that the Hide and Seek test had on the regulars passing the 2nd Floor (specifically, several regulars were already shoo-ins to pass, like Khun[[labelnote:*]]why he was solely concerned with ensuring Bam's team would win[[/labelnote]], Shibisu[[labelnote:*]]why acting as a HumanShield for Anaak against a ranker with a HairTriggerTemper was so surprising[[/labelnote]], Rachel[[labelnote:*]]why she was given a second chance to move forward despite being put out of commission by Hoh[[/labelnote]], and Lauroe[[labelnote:*]]why Hoh was desperate to [[RemovingTheRival prevent Bam]] from passing so he could take the other remaining Wave Controller spot[[/labelnote]]).

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** Explanations/discoveries Omitted explanations/discoveries that are needed to understand the nature of the Tower and/or the plot, such as:
*** The full description of [[PureMagic shinsu]], [[EnergyBall baangs]][[labelnote:*]]in broad strokes, they [[FantasticMeasurementSystem measure]] the number of shinsu blasts someone can independently control[[/labelnote]], the noteworthiness of the Irregulars [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Phantaminum]] and [[CreatingLife Enryu]], and the relevance of each [[CharacterClassSystem position]];
position]].
*** The role that [[TheChessmaster Yu Hansung]] played in manipulating Rachel and Bam into FUG; and
FUG.
*** The varying importance that the Hide and Seek test had on the regulars passing the 2nd Floor (specifically, several regulars were already shoo-ins to pass, like Khun[[labelnote:*]]why he was solely concerned with ensuring Bam's team would win[[/labelnote]], Shibisu[[labelnote:*]]why acting as a HumanShield for Anaak against a ranker with a HairTriggerTemper was so surprising[[/labelnote]], Rachel[[labelnote:*]]why she was given a second chance to move forward despite being put out of commission by Hoh[[/labelnote]], and Lauroe[[labelnote:*]]why Hoh was desperate to [[RemovingTheRival prevent Bam]] Bam from passing passing]] so he could take the other remaining Wave Controller spot[[/labelnote]]).
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* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: The latter half of "Guardian" in the anime OST (played in the final part of the Crown Game) has a distinct bass drop in the background; you may recognize it from ''[[Film/Blade1998 Blade]]'' (the specific track is "Confusion (1995 Pump Panel Remix)" by Music/NewOrder).

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* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: The latter half of "Guardian" in the anime OST soundtrack (played in the final part round of the Crown Game) has a distinct bass drop in the background; background of the last part; you may recognize it from the opening rave scene of ''[[Film/Blade1998 Blade]]'' (the specific track is "Confusion (1995 Pump Panel Remix)" by Music/NewOrder).
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* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: The latter half of "Guardian" in the anime OST (played in the final part of the Crown Game) has a distinct bass drop in the background; you may recognize it from ''[[Film/Blade1998 Blade]]'' (the 1995 Pump Panel Remix of "Confusion" by Music/NewOrder).

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* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: The latter half of "Guardian" in the anime OST (played in the final part of the Crown Game) has a distinct bass drop in the background; you may recognize it from ''[[Film/Blade1998 Blade]]'' (the 1995 specific track is "Confusion (1995 Pump Panel Remix of "Confusion" Remix)" by Music/NewOrder). Music/NewOrder).

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* TheWoobie: Bam is adorable, kind, optimistic, determined, and gets to suffer quite a bit.

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** Lo Po Bia Yasratcha is starting to be considered this, by facto of having been quite the Yandere, and an ineffectual one at that. Numerous fans who initially liked him started to hold him in disdain for his selfishness, which got even worse after he massacred the Canines despite the fact he could have let them leave as Wangwang intended. And while Traumerei is far from being a nice guy, Yasratcha's Hypocrite and NeverMyFault attitude means fans tend to prefer Traumerei, who doesn't lie, is honest about being superior, and displays more honor and mercy, in addition to being quite cool.
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** That seems to be the common trait of most of the Ten Family Heads. But so far, [[spoiler:Lo Po Bia Traumerei has hit this trope pretty hard. Being able to [[TheBeastmaster control (almost) every animal in the tower]], he doesn't see them as anything more than tools and doesn't acknowedge their loyalty even if they love him as pets, [[BadBoss having no qualms with killing them]], and admitting he isn't capable of caring about their emotions. It is likely that thousands of years as an [[AGodAmI immortal godlike being]] have caused him to [[LackOfEmpathy lose the ability to empathize with anything]].]]
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Depending on who you ask, this could amount to a plethora of people due to the webtoon's LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters. Especially later on when the series begins to try to switch around the focus to different teams that are all trying to climb up the Tower.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Depending on who you ask, this could amount to a plethora of people due to the webtoon's LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters.large cast. Especially later on when the series begins to try to switch around the focus to different teams that are all trying to climb up the Tower.
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** The Great Family leader, Arie Hon. Was he being a {{Jerkass}} to Hoaqin telling his son that he will never be able to make something of himself without being a criminal by telling Hoaquin to become a demon, or was it a [[SecretTestOfCharacter test]], and challenge for Hoaquin, to live under the family, and grow strong enough by developing his own power to one day exceed father? Hon's GlowingEyes of doom might have meant the former, but the scene happening in the flashback from another character's point of view might skew the scene toward the character interpretation being that of the latter. WordOfGod does state that Hon saw Hoaqin's future.

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** The Great Family leader, Arie Hon. Was he being a {{Jerkass}} to Hoaqin telling by suggesting that his son that he will never be able to make something of himself without being a criminal by and telling Hoaquin to become a demon, or was it a [[SecretTestOfCharacter test]], and challenge for Hoaquin, to live under the family, and grow strong enough by developing his own power to one day exceed his father? Hon's GlowingEyes of doom might have meant the former, but the scene happening in the flashback from another character's point of view might skew the scene toward the character interpretation being that of the latter. WordOfGod does state that Hon saw Hoaqin's future.



*** Notably, rather than just leaving Wangwang's death to Yasratcha, despite having previously trusted him with many matters, he instead appears directly to see if Wangwang really has went rogue and actually seems genuinely furious and bitter when Wangwang seems to ponder attacking him. Is it because he may have wanted Wangwang to remain and actually hoped he would prove him wrong and stay loyal? Was all his callous treatment of him a test to see if he would remain dedicated? And despite his trust of Yasratcha before, it's clear he is not surprised at all that he betrayed him. Did that mean Traumerei simply found Yasratcha to be a pathetic person who he humored because he was amused Yasratcha saw himself as that capable to fool him and wanted to make the crushing blow more shocking when he finally revealed just how aware he was? It was clear that the gate at the Cat Tower was set without Yasratcha's knowledge, meaning Traumerei definitely doesn't trust Yasratcha anymore. But if so, why didn't he just kill Yasratcha? Was it because he spared him because Wangwang pleaded and succeeded in dying the way Traumerei wanted, or was it a CruelMercy? Letting him live but only because he had to kill his friend by his own hands?
*** Later chapters confirm it's the latter. Traumerei specifically has Yasratcha kill Wangwang and outright sneers at him as he "gives freedom" and tells him to enjoy it in a way that unsubtlely taunts him.
*** In fact, his repeated mentions of love, great sensitivity to betrayal, and actions can also be confusing. We all know that Arlen and V betrayed Jahad and Traumerei by default, but while it's clear that he is bitter and enraged that his friends betrayed him out of love rather than letting Jahad court Arlen and marry her to preserve peace, his later mentions of obsession means he may also be talking about Jahad.

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*** Notably, rather than just leaving Wangwang's death to Yasratcha, despite having previously trusted him with many matters, he instead appears directly to see if Wangwang really has went rogue and actually seems genuinely furious and bitter when Wangwang seems to ponder attacking him. Is it because he may have wanted Wangwang to remain and actually hoped he would prove him wrong and stay loyal? Was all his callous treatment of him a test to see if he would remain dedicated? And despite his trust of in Yasratcha before, it's clear he is not surprised at all that he betrayed him. Did that mean Traumerei simply found Yasratcha to be a pathetic person who he humored because he was amused Yasratcha saw himself as that capable to fool him and wanted to make the crushing blow more shocking when he finally revealed just how aware he was? It was clear that the gate at the Cat Tower was set without Yasratcha's knowledge, meaning Traumerei definitely doesn't trust Yasratcha anymore. But if so, why didn't he just kill Yasratcha? Was it because he spared him because Wangwang pleaded and succeeded in dying the way Traumerei wanted, or was it a CruelMercy? Letting him live but only because he had to kill his friend by his own hands?
*** Later chapters confirm it's the latter. Traumerei specifically has Yasratcha kill Wangwang and outright sneers at him as he "gives freedom" and tells him to enjoy it in a way that unsubtlely unsubtly taunts him.
*** In fact, his repeated mentions of love, great sensitivity to betrayal, and actions can also be confusing. We all know that Arlen and V betrayed Jahad and Traumerei by default, but while it's clear that he is bitter and enraged that his friends betrayed him out of love rather than letting Jahad court Arlen and marry her to preserve peace, his later mentions of obsession means mean he may also be talking about Jahad.



** Even more so during The Nest, where Bam[[spoiler:'s transformation ability which he got from Baylord Doom manifests a shield in order block an attack from Kallavan, just after ''thinking'' that he needed some kind of defense.]] While all of his other abilities have had at least a semi-solid foundation, for some [[spoiler:the shield]] seriously veers into {{New Powers As The Plot Demands}} territory.
** Topping that is Hatz's Donghae- although everyone knew it was really strong even without ignition- [[spoiler:being revealed to be a Ranker level ignition weapon which prefers weaker users.]]

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** Even more so during The Nest, where Bam[[spoiler:'s transformation ability which he got from Baylord Doom manifests a shield in order to block an attack from Kallavan, just after ''thinking'' that he needed some kind of defense.]] While all of his other abilities have had at least a semi-solid foundation, for some [[spoiler:the shield]] seriously veers into {{New Powers As The Plot Demands}} territory.
** Topping that is Hatz's Donghae- Donghae -- although everyone knew it was really strong even without ignition- [[spoiler:being ignition -- [[spoiler:it is revealed to be a Ranker level ignition weapon which prefers weaker users.]]



*** Some fans of Phantaminum point to the WordOfGod statement that his role in the plot will be limited, arguing that this is a positive. They claim that the unsolved mystery around Phantaminum adds to the theme that the Tower is part of a wide world filled with innumerable overlapping stories. They also argue that the concept of an Axis uniquely reinforces the recurring plot point that there is AlwaysABiggerFish. As such, they are fans of the way SIU connects the Axis concept to the greater Talse Uzer story without having Phantaminum play too large a role.

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*** Some fans of Phantaminum point to the WordOfGod statement implying that his role in the plot will be limited, arguing that this is a positive. They claim that the unsolved mystery around Phantaminum adds to the theme that the Tower is part of a wide world filled with innumerable overlapping stories. They also argue that the concept of an Axis uniquely reinforces the recurring plot point that there is AlwaysABiggerFish. As such, they are fans of the way SIU connects the Axis concept to the greater Talse Uzer story without having Phantaminum play too large a role.



** The Floor of Death was set up to be an incredibly dangerous place, and this set up was enhanced by how the arcs right before had [[spoiler:Ehwa and Rak get separated from the main group, while Prince and Arkraptor ''died'']]- making the status quo's protection feel conspicuously lighter than usual. And then Urek Mazino showed up, one-shot the previous saga's main villain with his finger, overwhelmed the current Big Bad (whose Administrator powers were supposed to make him basically unbeatable) at one-tenth strength, and effectively destroyed the idea that Bam & Co were ever in any danger. While the Floor of Death is still widely liked due to the lore and answers that are finally gotten after so long, as well as the awesomeness of seeing an Irregular cut loose, there's a debate on whether or not Urek's presence helped or hurt the arc overall.

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** The Floor of Death was set up to be an incredibly dangerous place, and this set up setup was enhanced by how the arcs right before had [[spoiler:Ehwa and Rak get separated from the main group, while Prince and Arkraptor ''died'']]- making the status quo's protection feel conspicuously lighter than usual. And then Urek Mazino showed up, one-shot the previous saga's main villain with his finger, overwhelmed the current Big Bad (whose Administrator powers were supposed to make him basically unbeatable) at one-tenth strength, and effectively destroyed the idea that Bam & Co were ever in any danger. While the Floor of Death is still widely liked due to the lore and answers that are finally gotten after so long, as well as the awesomeness of seeing an Irregular cut loose, there's a debate on whether or not Urek's presence helped or hurt the arc overall.



* FanficFuel: Bam's story is just one small piece that makes up the world of the Tower. The amount of stories that could have gone down within the Tower that is said to be over 134 Floors is endless, and ripe for telling new stories.

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* FanficFuel: Bam's story is just one small piece that makes up the world of the Tower. The amount of stories that could have gone down within the Tower that is said Tower, confirmed to be comprise over 134 Floors continental-sized Floors, is endless, and ripe for telling new stories.



** Ironically due to his initial {{Jerkass}} bahavior Hon Akraptor was hated by many fans and a lot hoped Bam would one-shot him. Fast forward a couple chapters later and he quickly became the most popular season 2 character because he's funny.

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** Ironically due to his initial {{Jerkass}} bahavior behavior Hon Akraptor was hated by many fans and a lot hoped Bam would one-shot him. Fast forward a couple chapters later and he quickly became the most popular season 2 character because he's funny.



** Some readers began to feel this way about Rak despite the humanoid crocodile being one of the main characters. This is primarily because, in Season 2, Rak ended up largely OutOfFocus compared to the developments seen for Bam, Khun, and Rachel. It also doesn't help that SIU actually said it in an interview once that he doesn't enjoy drawing the large version of Rak, which is why Rak is seen in chibi-form almost all the time throughout Season 2. As a result, the fans feel that SIU is holding back on Rak from potentially doing anything badass, and has left the crocodile as nothing more than a chibi-form comic relief character.
** Despite being among the most developed characters in Part 1, part of a small group that might be able to avoid (or at least delay) CantCatchUp territory compared to our protagonist, and one of the few regulars whose character arc is altogether independent from Bam's, Anaak is almost entirely ignored in the several hundred chapters of Part 2 barring a short (and admittedly awesome) fight against Khun Ran. This is especially egregious since her connection to the plot points of Part 2 allowed for multiple non-contrived reasons to keep her as a major character. This includes possessing a connection to Garam Jahad (who played a major role on the Floor of Death and briefly cared for Anak after she was orphaned), holding a grudge against Jahad that should have made her a prime choice to join FUG, beaing hunted by the Jahad Empire just like Bam, ending up the catalyst for her frenemy Endorsi losing her name at the Name Hunt Station, establishing a rivalry with the (far more focused-on) [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ran]], and having reason to clash with Yuri (over ownership of the [[AncestralWeapon Green April]]).

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** Some readers began to feel this way about Rak despite the humanoid crocodile being one of the main characters. This is primarily because, in Season 2, Rak ended up largely OutOfFocus compared to the developments seen for Bam, Khun, and Rachel. It also doesn't help that SIU actually said it in an interview once that he doesn't enjoy drawing the large version of Rak, which is why Rak is seen in chibi-form almost all the time throughout Season 2. As a result, the fans feel that SIU is holding back on Rak from potentially doing anything badass, and has left the crocodile as nothing more than a chibi-form comic relief character.
** Despite being among the most developed characters in Part 1, part of a small group that might be able to avoid (or at least delay) CantCatchUp territory compared to our protagonist, and one of the few regulars whose character arc is altogether independent from Bam's, Anaak is almost entirely ignored in the several hundred chapters of Part 2 barring a short (and admittedly awesome) fight against Khun Ran. This is especially egregious since her connection to the plot points of Part 2 allowed for multiple non-contrived reasons to keep her as a major character. This includes possessing a connection to Garam Jahad (who played a major role on the Floor of Death and briefly cared for Anak after she was orphaned), holding a grudge against Jahad that should have made her a prime choice to join FUG, beaing being hunted by the Jahad Empire just like Bam, ending up the catalyst for her frenemy Endorsi losing her name at the Name Hunt Station, establishing a rivalry with the (far more focused-on) [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ran]], and having reason to clash with Yuri (over ownership of the [[AncestralWeapon Green April]]).
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** Despite never having appeared on page, Phantamium is starting to get this treatment. Specifically, there's a lot of debate over whether he adds any value to the story outside SIU's blogposts.
*** Detractors point to the fact that, as an [[AuthorPowers Axis]], Phantamium is both invincible in a direct conflict and has the ability to [[RealityWarper manipulate reality]] across the entire Tower. They tend to argue that the Axis storyline is only relevant to SIU's SharedUniverse and almost entirely independent from the main plot. Therefore, they claim that Enryu, a being with concrete limitations that has direct plot relevance, fits the roles of WorldsStrongestMan and MysteriousStranger better without negating dramatic tension. Some even support a soft retcon of Phantamium's existence on the basis that, as [=ToG=] becomes more extensive, the other Talse Uzer plotlines have become fairly unlikely to ever come to fruition.
*** Some fans of Phantamium point to the WordOfGod statement that his role in the plot will be limited, arguing that this is a positive. They claim that the unsolved mystery around Phantamium adds to the theme that the Tower is part of a wide world filled with innumerable overlapping stories. They also argue that the concept of an Axis uniquely reinforces the recurring plot point that there is AlwaysABiggerFish. As such, they are fans of the way SIU connects the Axis concept to the greater Talse Uzer story without having Phantamium play too large a role.
*** Other fans enjoy Phantamium's role in the Tower and believe that (even if he doesn't directly impact Bam's story) there are still ways to flesh out the mystery around him. Especially through answering plot-relevant questions like: Why did Phantamium break into Jahad's palace? What did they discuss? Was he the catalyst to Jahad starting to develop power over fate itself? Is he the reason for Jahad's initial inactivity? Did he inform Jahad of the prophecy regarding Bam? Why did he spare Yuri? Why does Yuri think poorly of him? Why did Urek follow him into the Tower? Is Phantamium connected to the Outside God?

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** Despite never having appeared on page, Phantamium Phantaminum is starting to get this treatment. Specifically, there's a lot of debate over whether he adds any value to the story outside SIU's blogposts.
*** Detractors point to the fact that, as an [[AuthorPowers Axis]], Phantamium Phantaminum is both invincible in a direct conflict and has the ability to [[RealityWarper manipulate reality]] across the entire Tower. They tend to argue that the Axis storyline is only relevant to SIU's SharedUniverse and almost entirely independent from the main plot. Therefore, they claim that Enryu, a being with concrete limitations that has direct plot relevance, fits the roles of WorldsStrongestMan and MysteriousStranger better without negating dramatic tension. Some even support a soft retcon of Phantamium's Phantaminum's existence on the basis that, as [=ToG=] becomes more extensive, the other Talse Uzer plotlines have become fairly unlikely to ever come to fruition.
*** Some fans of Phantamium Phantaminum point to the WordOfGod statement that his role in the plot will be limited, arguing that this is a positive. They claim that the unsolved mystery around Phantamium Phantaminum adds to the theme that the Tower is part of a wide world filled with innumerable overlapping stories. They also argue that the concept of an Axis uniquely reinforces the recurring plot point that there is AlwaysABiggerFish. As such, they are fans of the way SIU connects the Axis concept to the greater Talse Uzer story without having Phantamium Phantaminum play too large a role.
*** Other fans enjoy Phantamium's Phantaminum's role in the Tower and believe that (even if he doesn't directly impact Bam's story) there are still ways to flesh out the mystery around him. Especially through answering plot-relevant questions like: Why did Phantamium Phantaminum break into Jahad's palace? What did they discuss? Was he the catalyst to Jahad starting to develop power over fate itself? Is he the reason for Jahad's initial inactivity? Did he inform Jahad of the prophecy regarding Bam? Why did he spare Yuri? Why does Yuri think poorly of him? Why did Urek follow him into the Tower? Is Phantamium Phantaminum connected to the Outside God?



*** The full description of [[PureMagic shinsu]], [[EnergyBall baangs]][[labelnote:*]]in broad strokes, they [[FantasticMeasurementSystem measure]] the number of shinsu blasts someone can independently control[[/labelnote]], the noteworthiness of the Irregulars [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Phantamium]] and [[CreatingLife Enryu]], and the relevance of each [[CharacterClassSystem position]];

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*** The full description of [[PureMagic shinsu]], [[EnergyBall baangs]][[labelnote:*]]in broad strokes, they [[FantasticMeasurementSystem measure]] the number of shinsu blasts someone can independently control[[/labelnote]], the noteworthiness of the Irregulars [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Phantamium]] Phantaminum]] and [[CreatingLife Enryu]], and the relevance of each [[CharacterClassSystem position]];
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**** Later chapters confirm it's the latter. Traumerei specifically has Yasratcha kill Wangwang and outright sneers at him as he "gives freedom" and tells him to enjoy it in a way that unsubtlely taunts him.
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** The Great Family Leader Lo Po Bia Traumerei is even more confusing than Arie Hon. His actions are rather contradictory, and his showcases of emotions are rather muddled. He prefers Yasratcha over Wangwang despite Yasratcha being lazy and clearly unloyal while Wangwang was fully dedicated to serving him, and yet after Nen Neya came in, with few years having passed, Traumerei decided to throw his dog a surprising amount of bones by giving him freedom, the time to love, and the best suite room and while he is callous to the disputes of his family, rather than just dismissing Wangwang when he hesitates by making it clear it's an order, he actually appears irritated that Wangwang actually shows hesitation. Later on, despite Yasratcha believing he is trying to get rid of Wangwang by sending him away and the name he gave Baylord as being a mockery, Traumerei's actions directly contradict that. He actually warns Wangwang against trying to rebel against him out of love and even refuses to just get rid of him, stating he wanted to see for himself if Wangwang has lost his loyalty.
*** Notably, rather than just leaving Wangwang's death to Yasratcha, despite having previously trusted him with many matters, he instead appears directly to see if Wangwang really has went rogue and actually seems genuinely furious and bitter when Wangwang seems to ponder attacking him. Is it because he may have wanted Wangwang to remain and actually hoped he would prove him wrong and stay loyal? Was all his callous treatment of him a test to see if he would remain dedicated? And despite his trust of Yasratcha before, it's clear he is not surprised at all that he betrayed him. Did that mean Traumerei simply found Yasratcha to be a pathetic person who he humored because he was amused Yasratcha saw himself as that capable to fool him and wanted to make the crushing blow more shocking when he finally revealed just how aware he was? It was clear that the gate at the Cat Tower was set without Yasratcha's knowledge, meaning Traumerei definitely doesn't trust Yasratcha anymore. But if so, why didn't he just kill Yasratcha? Was it because he spared him because Wangwang pleaded and succeeded in dying the way Traumerei wanted, or was it a CruelMercy? Letting him live but only because he had to kill his friend by his own hands?
*** In fact, his repeated mentions of love, great sensitivity to betrayal, and actions can also be confusing. We all know that Arlen and V betrayed Jahad and Traumerei by default, but while it's clear that he is bitter and enraged that his friends betrayed him out of love rather than letting Jahad court Arlen and marry her to preserve peace, his later mentions of obsession means he may also be talking about Jahad.
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--->'''[[ScrewTheRulesTheyreNotReal Khun]]''': I will not be ruled. I make my own rules. That is the mindset of a ruler.

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* ArchivePanic: At 480+ chapters as of June 2020, with many chapters long enough to fill almost a dozen comic book pages, you may need a few spare weekends to get to where everyone else is at.

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* ArchivePanic: At 480+ 520+ chapters as of June 2020, January 2022, with many chapters long enough to fill almost a dozen comic book pages, you may need a few spare weekends to get to where everyone else is at.
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*** (1) In the anime, after being attacked by Hwa Ryun, Bam has a quick flashback to his life in the cave as he loses consciousness. In the flashback, we see Rachel smile at him giving Bam his HeroicSecondWind. The webcomic has a slightly longer LovedOnesMontage (or Loved ''[[LivingEmotionalCrutch One]]'' Montage) about Rachel that similarly energizes Bam. However, in addition to happy memories, the webcomic briefly shows a moment where Rachel is having her hair pulled by some unknown assailant as she cries out. Some argue that the change deprives Rachel of some character depth re: why she may have been a ResentfulGuardian (for example, her being PunishedForSympathy, being forced to become Bam's caretaker, or being some manner of TheExile)
*** (2) The anime also depicts that Bam cuts out Hwa Ryun's eye through exercising the ability to [[ElementalShapeshifter turn into]] a giant golden blast of Shinsu. Said attack lasts for several seconds (wherein all participants stare in wonder), making the fact that Bam's friends don't reference it again seem a lot more egregious. Conversely, in the webcomic, having that kind of ability is never indicated as even being possible. The comic instead shows a split second where Bam [[DefenceMechanismSuperpower instinctually]] uses Shinsu to [[RazorWind slice]] Hwa Ryun's eye. Rather than scale, the noteworthiness concerns Bam's CoverBlowingSuperpower of being able to use Shinsu without making a [[SuperEmpowering contract]] with a Guardian (marking him as an [[OutsideContextProblem Irregular]] as clarified by Lero-Ro). As both versions have Lero-Ro clarify that the latter point is what’s most surprising, the anime interpretation of the moment seems especially pointless.
*** (3) Lastly, in the webcomic, the scene (and arc) ends with Hwa Ryun's EyeScream. Conversely, the anime has an enraged Bam stand over the downed Hwa Ryun, about to kill her with the Black March before the weapon pulls a TimeStandsStill and knocks Bam unconscious with a kiss. This tends to get complaints first because Bam, the AllLovingHero, attacks her with full intent to kill (yet doesn't react that way when Rachel actually gets seriously injured by Hoh). Second, the Black March acts against Bam with a completely new, overpowered time-stopping ability for no real reason.

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*** (1) In the anime, after being attacked by Hwa Ryun, Hwaryun, Bam has a quick flashback to his life in the cave as he loses consciousness. In the flashback, we see Rachel smile at him giving Bam his HeroicSecondWind. The webcomic has a slightly longer LovedOnesMontage (or Loved ''[[LivingEmotionalCrutch One]]'' Montage) about Rachel that similarly energizes Bam. However, in addition to happy memories, the webcomic briefly shows a moment where Rachel is having her hair pulled by some unknown assailant as she cries out. Some argue that the change deprives Rachel of some character depth re: why she may have been a ResentfulGuardian (for example, her being PunishedForSympathy, being forced to become Bam's caretaker, or being some manner of TheExile)
*** (2) The anime also depicts that Bam cuts out Hwa Ryun's Hwaryun's eye through exercising the ability to [[ElementalShapeshifter turn into]] a giant golden blast of Shinsu. Said attack lasts for several seconds (wherein all participants stare in wonder), making the fact that Bam's friends don't reference it again seem a lot more egregious. Conversely, in the webcomic, having that kind of ability is never indicated as even being possible. The comic instead shows a split second where Bam [[DefenceMechanismSuperpower instinctually]] uses Shinsu to [[RazorWind slice]] Hwa Ryun's Hwaryun's eye. Rather than scale, the noteworthiness concerns Bam's CoverBlowingSuperpower of being able to use Shinsu without making a [[SuperEmpowering contract]] with a Guardian (marking him as an [[OutsideContextProblem Irregular]] as clarified by Lero-Ro). As both versions have Lero-Ro clarify that the latter point is what’s most surprising, the anime interpretation of the moment seems especially pointless.
*** (3) Lastly, in the webcomic, the scene (and arc) ends with Hwa Ryun's Hwaryun's EyeScream. Conversely, the anime has an enraged Bam stand over the downed Hwa Ryun, Hwaryun, about to kill her with the Black March before the weapon pulls a TimeStandsStill and knocks Bam unconscious with a kiss. This tends to get complaints first because Bam, the AllLovingHero, attacks her with full intent to kill (yet doesn't react that way when Rachel actually gets seriously injured by Hoh). Second, the Black March acts against Bam with a completely new, overpowered time-stopping ability for no real reason.



** The Floor of Death arc had a side-plot going on where [[spoiler:Hwa Ryun wanted {{Revenge}} against Hell Joe because he killed a member of Hwa Ryun's Red Witch family]]. Once the arc was over, this plot-thread gets no resolution whatsoever. ([[spoiler:Granted, Hwa Ryun later on admitted that while she ''did'' hold a grudge, she mainly just needed Yuri to take on Hell Joe [[CombatPragmatist so she could get the soul-stirring ladle in the chaos]]]].)

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** The Floor of Death arc had a side-plot going on where [[spoiler:Hwa Ryun [[spoiler:Hwaryun wanted {{Revenge}} against Hell Joe because he killed a member of Hwa Ryun's Hwaryun's Red Witch family]]. Once the arc was over, this plot-thread gets no resolution whatsoever. ([[spoiler:Granted, Hwa Ryun Hwaryun later on admitted that while she ''did'' hold a grudge, she mainly just needed Yuri to take on Hell Joe [[CombatPragmatist so she could get the soul-stirring ladle in the chaos]]]].)

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