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** Many of Julia’s accomplishments in Season 2 of ''Island 2023'' come across as this. From her inexplicably being able to forge a convincing film contract to trick Nichelle into quitting, to convincing the others that it was Bowie’s idea to have MK cheat for their team (despite everyone knowing Julia’s untrustworthy, as well as her rivalry with Bowie), to finding the immunity idol without any explanation as to when or how she found it.

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** Many of Julia’s accomplishments in Season 2 of ''Island 2023'' come across as this.this due to the fact that they all happened offscreen. From her inexplicably being able to forge a convincing film contract to trick Nichelle into quitting, to convincing the others that it was Bowie’s idea to have MK cheat for their team (despite everyone knowing Julia’s untrustworthy, as well as her rivalry with Bowie), to finding the immunity idol without any explanation as to when or how she found it.
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** Many of Julia’s accomplishments in Season 2 of ''Island 2023'' come across as this. From her inexplicably being able to forge a convincing film contract to trick Nichelle into quitting, to convincing the others that it was Bowie’s idea to have MK cheat for their team (despite everyone knowing Julia’s untrustworthy, as well as her rivalry with Bowie), to finding the immunity idol without any explanation as to when or how she found it.
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* FansPreferTheNewHer: There are some fans (often queer women) who actually like the TraumaticHaircut [[spoiler:Julia]] gets in the second revival season's finale, despite how disgusting she finds it. Even those who don't like the specific design think she looks more distinct with shorter hair. It helps that it's a subversion of the reviled trend of antagonists losing their hair at the end of a season.

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Since they're different characters in different situations I think it's more this trope.


* ImprovedSecondAttempt:
** Stephanie & Ryan's relationship in ''Ridonculous Race'' was universally despised for having the two get back together despite being clearly toxic. Chase and Emma take a different approach in the 2023 reboot, with Chase being so obviously toxic and Emma clinging onto the hope he can change, despite everyone telling her he's a lost cause. When she does get back together with him, it's portrayed as a horrible decision that will end badly. With everyone coming back for another season, it leaves the door open for her to regret her bad decision. And the second season revealed that Emma did regret her decision and broke up with Chase permanently.
** Part of the criticism of DJ's plot in ''World Tour'' is the PlotHole in regards to why he didn't just quit, as he should've been aware of such option, given that he had quit in ''Action'' and witnessed both Duncan and Harold quit earlier in the third season. It could've easily been avoided by Chris stating a contestant is only allowed to quit once throughout the series or that no more than 2 contestants can quit per season, but he never states such a thing. In ''Island (2023)'', this issue is avoided, as Chris tells Damien that the new contracts have a rule where if a contestant were to quit, they'd owe the show one million dollars instead, making it completely understandable why Damien's only option to leave is to get voted out through a regular voting process.
** Mal's villain arc is widely panned to MemeticLoser status because of the limitations of the show, resulting in either minor vandalism or failed attempts to actually hurt someone. "Pahkitew Island," of all seasons, used this better by having his concept split into two different characters more effectively: Max as the BigBadWannabe who is even regarded as laughably ineffective InUniverse, and Scarlet, a legitimately homicidal maniac who can be effectively scary. While Scarlett's plan did fail, she basically committed serious crimes of hijacking and attempted murder. Previous episodes also showed that while she didn't succeed, she had every ability to kill everyone on the island had she not been stopped, as she gaslighted her brother for 6 years because he pulled her hair. Scarlett was constantly annoyed by Max's incomptence, almost making it feel like Mal was criticizing ''himself''.



** Stephanie & Ryan's relationship in ''Ridonculous Race'' was universally despised for having the two get back together despite being clearly toxic. Chase and Emma take a different approach in the 2023 reboot, with Chase being so obviously toxic and Emma clinging onto the hope he can change, despite everyone telling her he's a lost cause. When she does get back together with him, it's portrayed as a horrible decision that will end badly. With everyone coming back for another season, it leaves the door open for her to regret her bad decision. And the second season revealed that Emma did regret her decision and broke up with Chase permanently.
** Part of the criticism of DJ's plot in ''World Tour'' is the PlotHole in regards to why he didn't just quit, as he should've been aware of such option, given that he had quit in ''Action'' and witnessed both Duncan and Harold quit earlier in the third season. It could've easily been avoided by Chris stating a contestant is only allowed to quit once throughout the series or that no more than 2 contestants can quit per season, but he never states such a thing. In ''Island (2023)'', this issue is avoided, as Chris tells Damien that the new contracts have a rule where if a contestant were to quit, they'd owe the show one million dollars instead, making it completely understandable why Damien's only option to leave is to get voted out through a regular voting process.

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Remember that the Narm trope is supposed to be for scenes, not characters. I think this entry fits better under Nightmare Retardant instead.


** Mal, [[JekyllAndHyde Mike's evil personality]], is treated as more threatening than other Total Drama villains, beating up characters and even intimidating other villains. However, the limitations of the show's otherwise silly tone and young target demographic make Mal come across as more of a ridiculous {{Badbutt}} (not helped by his design just being Mike with dark eyebags and bangs). The biggest examples are early in the season, when he breaks into Sam and Sierra's beds, lurking ominously in the shadows... and breaks their video game and cell phone respectively. The EvilGloating in his confessional after these actions feels more like a PokeThePoodle joke. Comparisons are often made between Mal and Max from the following season, the latter of whom was ''intended'' to be over-the-top evil for comedy.


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* NightmareRetardant: Mal, [[JekyllAndHyde Mike's evil personality]], is treated as more threatening than other Total Drama villains, beating up characters and even intimidating other villains. However, the limitations of the show's otherwise silly tone and young target demographic make Mal come across as more of a ridiculous {{Badbutt}} (not helped by his design just being Mike with dark eyebags and bangs). The biggest examples are early in the season, when he breaks into Sam and Sierra's beds, lurking ominously in the shadows... and breaks their video game and cell phone respectively. The EvilGloating in his confessional after these actions feels more like a PokeThePoodle joke. Comparisons are often made between Mal and Max from the following season, the latter of whom was ''intended'' to be over-the-top evil for comedy.
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** While Dave's reaction to Sky's manipulation and mistreatment of him was excessive, you'll find few people who think he deserved to be abandoned on the island, mauled by Scuba Bear 3.0, and never mentioned if he survived.
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Julia and him have interacted now.


** Wayne is often shipped with either Raj ([[AbandonShipping or at least he was before]] [[OneTruePairing Raj and Bowie became a couple]], but there are people who [[OneTrueThreesome have a taken a liking to the idea of Bowie and Raj letting Wayne into their relationship]]), Emma, Damien, Nichelle, the purple haired intern, or Julia, though [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight Julia]] is probably the most notable example out of the seven.

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** Wayne is often shipped with either Raj ([[AbandonShipping or at least he was before]] [[OneTruePairing Raj and Bowie became a couple]], but there are people who [[OneTrueThreesome have a taken a liking to the idea of Bowie and Raj letting Wayne into their relationship]]), Emma, Damien, Nichelle, the purple haired intern, or Julia, though [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight Julia]] is probably the most notable example out of the seven.Julia.
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** Some people headcanon Ezekiel as autistic due to his lack of social skiils.

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** Some people headcanon Ezekiel as autistic due to his lack of social skiils.skiils, with his first introduction being him acting LiteralMinded.
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** Stephanie & Ryan's relationship in ''Ridonculous Race'' was universally despised for having the two get back together despite being clearly toxic. Chase and Emma take a different approach in the 2023 reboot, with Chase being so obviously toxic and Emma clinging onto the hope he can change, despite everyone telling her he's a lost cause. When she does get back together with him, it's portrayed as a horrible decision that will end badly. With everyone coming back for another season, it leaves the door open for her to regret her bad decision.

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** Stephanie & Ryan's relationship in ''Ridonculous Race'' was universally despised for having the two get back together despite being clearly toxic. Chase and Emma take a different approach in the 2023 reboot, with Chase being so obviously toxic and Emma clinging onto the hope he can change, despite everyone telling her he's a lost cause. When she does get back together with him, it's portrayed as a horrible decision that will end badly. With everyone coming back for another season, it leaves the door open for her to regret her bad decision. And the second season revealed that Emma did regret her decision and broke up with Chase permanently.
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** Zee gets shipped a fair bit with characters like Chase, Damien, Emma, Scary Girl, and Priya, as well as his own [[CargoShip soda cans.]]

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** Zee gets shipped a fair bit with characters like Chase, Damien, Emma, Scary Girl, Ripper and Priya, as well as his own [[CargoShip soda cans.]]
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** Wayne is often shipped with either Raj ([[AbandonShipping or at least he was before]] [[OneTruePairing Raj and Bowie became a couple]], but there are people who [[OneTrueThreesome have a taken a liking to the idea of Bowie and Raj letting Wayne into their relationship]]), Emma, Damien, Nichelle, the purple haired intern, or Julia, though [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight Julia]] is probably the most notable example out of the six.

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** Wayne is often shipped with either Raj ([[AbandonShipping or at least he was before]] [[OneTruePairing Raj and Bowie became a couple]], but there are people who [[OneTrueThreesome have a taken a liking to the idea of Bowie and Raj letting Wayne into their relationship]]), Emma, Damien, Nichelle, the purple haired intern, or Julia, though [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight Julia]] is probably the most notable example out of the six.seven.
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* MoreInterestingAsAVillain: Given his bitterness about being the first one eliminated in the previous season, many were anticipating that Caleb would be the BigBad of Season 2 of the reboot. However, more than a few fans were left disappointed when the season ended up characterizing Caleb as a NiceGuy who genuinely falls for Priya. Given how [[BrokenBase contentious]] his romance with Priya ended up being ([[FanPreferredCouple especially when compared to Priya x Damien]]), as well as a number viewers considering him to be a FlatCharacter who had little going on beyond that romance, many fans have expressed that they would have preferred Caleb be Season 2's villain, as opposed to giving the role to [[AlphaBitch Julia]] again.
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** Wayne is often shipped with either Raj ([[AbandonShipping or at least he was before]] [[OneTruePairing Raj and Bowie became a couple]], but there are people who [[OneTrueThreesome have a taken a liking to the idea of Bowie and Raj letting Wayne into their relationship]]), Emma, Damien, Nichelle or Julia, though [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight Julia]] is probably the most notable example out of the six.

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** Wayne is often shipped with either Raj ([[AbandonShipping or at least he was before]] [[OneTruePairing Raj and Bowie became a couple]], but there are people who [[OneTrueThreesome have a taken a liking to the idea of Bowie and Raj letting Wayne into their relationship]]), Emma, Damien, Nichelle Nichelle, the purple haired intern, or Julia, though [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight Julia]] is probably the most notable example out of the six.
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Season 1 and 2 were produced pretty much back to back without much regard for feedback, and most of the Time Skip complaints stemmed from Owen's appearance (as the others were negligible due to being very minor cameos or adult characters); Macarthur appeared in the same season, and her appearance was obviously planned in tandem with Owen's, so it lacks the retcon element of Salvaged Story.


** It was complained by many fans how the 15 years TimeSkip between the reboot and the original series [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot basically amounted to nothing]], as all returning characters (Chris, Chef, the Rockers, Owen, [=MacArthur=], and the Tennis Rivals) looked and acted the same (though with a case of CharacterRerailment for Chris and a new uniform for Chef). However, [=MacArthur=]'s cameo was better received, as even with her looking still the same, it was the one time we could see how a returning character's life has changed, with her getting a RankUp from a police cadet to master sergeant of a K-9 unit.
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** It was complained by many fans how the 15 years TimeSkip between the reboot and the original series [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot basically amounted to nothing]], as all returning characters (Chris, Chef, the Rockers, Owen, MacArthur, and the Tennis Rivals) looked and acted the same (though with a case of CharacterRerailment for Chris and a new uniform for Chef). However, MacArthur's cameo was better received, as even with her looking still the same, it was the one time we could see how a returning character's life has changed, with her getting a RankUp from a police cadet to master sergeant of a K-9 unit.

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** It was complained by many fans how the 15 years TimeSkip between the reboot and the original series [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot basically amounted to nothing]], as all returning characters (Chris, Chef, the Rockers, Owen, MacArthur, [=MacArthur=], and the Tennis Rivals) looked and acted the same (though with a case of CharacterRerailment for Chris and a new uniform for Chef). However, MacArthur's [=MacArthur=]'s cameo was better received, as even with her looking still the same, it was the one time we could see how a returning character's life has changed, with her getting a RankUp from a police cadet to master sergeant of a K-9 unit.
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** Fans who got tired of [[RecurringElement so many contestants becoming bald throughout the series]] got a compromise in the form of Julia's LaserGuidedKarma including a TraumaticHaircut without making her go completely bald.
** It was complained by many fans how the 15 years TimeSkip between the reboot and the original series [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot basically amounted to nothing]], as all returning characters (Chris, Chef, the Rockers, Owen, MacArthur, and the Tennis Rivals) looked and acted the same (though with a case of CharacterRerailment for Chris and a new uniform for Chef). However, MacArthur's cameo was better received, as even with her looking still the same, it was the one time we could see how a returning character's life has changed, with her getting a RankUp from a police cadet to master sergeant of a K-9 unit.
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** Some people headcanon Ezekiel as autistic due to his lack of social skiils.

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** Wayne is often shipped with either Raj ([[AbandonShipping or at least he was before]] [[OneTruePairing Raj and Bowie became a couple]], but there are people who [[OneTrueThreesome have a taken a liking to the idea of Bowie and Raj letting Wayne into their relationship]]), Emma, Nichelle or Julia, though [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight Julia]] is probably the most notable example out of the five.

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** Wayne is often shipped with either Raj ([[AbandonShipping or at least he was before]] [[OneTruePairing Raj and Bowie became a couple]], but there are people who [[OneTrueThreesome have a taken a liking to the idea of Bowie and Raj letting Wayne into their relationship]]), Emma, Damien, Nichelle or Julia, though [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight Julia]] is probably the most notable example out of the five.six.


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** Zee gets shipped a fair bit with characters like Chase, Damien, Emma, Scary Girl, and Priya, as well as his own [[CargoShip soda cans.]]
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** Two of the original character concepts cut from ''Revenge of the Island,'' back when it was known as ''Total Drama Reloaded',' were reworked into Zoey: a girl named Molly (who was the beta design for Zoey's character according to WordOfGod) with a black pixie cut and loose clothing and another girl named Zoey (whose name was used for Zoey) with glasses and a high ponytail. Zoey's design is contested with some fans who believe it doesn't clearly reflect her "indie chick" persona, and believe both alternate designs show more individuality and could highlight this aspect of her better.
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** Caleb and Priya's relationship ends with Priya assuring she loves Caleb even if they lost. It's supposed to be a HappilyEverAfter ending, except the final few episodes had Priya hounding Caleb for minor slights like [[EntitledBastard not letting her win the Final 4 challenge]] despite the fact he spent most of it not knowing what was going on or not keeping up with Julia in the chariot racing despite the fact he was carrying five times the weight she was carrying. Priya has basically started acting like not just her parents, but Calebs parents and unlike Priya, he resents how his parents treated them and it calls into question how long or happy their relationship would be.

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** Caleb and Priya's relationship ends with Priya assuring she loves Caleb even if they lost. It's supposed to be a HappilyEverAfter ending, except the final few episodes had Priya hounding Caleb for minor slights like [[EntitledBastard not letting her win the Final 4 challenge]] despite the fact he spent most of it not knowing what was going on or not keeping up with Julia in the chariot racing despite the fact he was carrying five times the weight she was carrying. Priya has basically started acting like not just her parents, but Calebs Caleb's parents and unlike Priya, he resents how his parents treated them and it calls into question how long or happy their relationship would be.

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* EsotericHappyEnding: Mike and Zoey's first kiss at the conclusion of ''All-Stars'', as well as Mike regaining control of his body from Mal was clearly meant to be heartwarming, as was their reunion with Cameron and Gwen. However, the destruction of Wawanakwa, the debate around the infamous reset button and the unexplained fates of the eight contestants who were sent floating away (as well as most of the season's plotlines ultimately going unresolved) did little to win over most fans.

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Mike and Zoey's first kiss at the conclusion of ''All-Stars'', as well as Mike regaining control of his body from Mal was clearly meant to be heartwarming, as was their reunion with Cameron and Gwen. However, the destruction of Wawanakwa, the debate around the infamous reset button and the unexplained fates of the eight contestants who were sent floating away (as well as most of the season's plotlines ultimately going unresolved) did little to win over most fans.fans.
** Caleb and Priya's relationship ends with Priya assuring she loves Caleb even if they lost. It's supposed to be a HappilyEverAfter ending, except the final few episodes had Priya hounding Caleb for minor slights like [[EntitledBastard not letting her win the Final 4 challenge]] despite the fact he spent most of it not knowing what was going on or not keeping up with Julia in the chariot racing despite the fact he was carrying five times the weight she was carrying. Priya has basically started acting like not just her parents, but Calebs parents and unlike Priya, he resents how his parents treated them and it calls into question how long or happy their relationship would be.



** While it's understood that Millie deceiving Priya and the other contestants while secretly using them as psychological subjects was wrong, some of Millie's actual ''positions'' make total sense in the context of the show. Specifically, Priya calls her out on criticizing how Priya's parents raised her to compete on ''Total Drama'', and Millie apologizes for butting into Priya's family life. However, Millie ''is'' right to be concerned about Priya's family life, given their alleged actions include pressuring their child to fit their mold of the perfect contestant since birth, leaving her alone in the woods and, in the second season, [[spoiler:taking the million dollars ''she'' won for a savings account, preventing her from pursuing her real dreams]]. Some of this is revealed ''after'' Priya convinces Millie not to say bad things about her parents, and Millie is shown to still be genuinely concerned for Priya's family situation. In a less comical setting, it would make sense for Millie to report on this sort of child abuse.

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** While it's understood that Millie deceiving Priya and the other contestants while secretly using them as psychological subjects was wrong, some of Millie's actual ''positions'' make total sense in the context of the show. Specifically, Priya calls her out on criticizing how Priya's parents raised her to compete on ''Total Drama'', and Millie apologizes for butting into Priya's family life. However, Millie ''is'' right to be concerned about Priya's family life, given their alleged actions include pressuring their child to fit their mold of the perfect contestant since birth, leaving her alone in the woods and, in the second season, [[spoiler:taking the million dollars ''she'' won for a savings account, preventing her from pursuing her real dreams]]. Some of this is revealed ''after'' Priya convinces Millie not to say bad things about her parents, and Millie is shown to still be genuinely concerned for Priya's family situation. In a less comical setting, it would make sense for Millie to report on this sort of child abuse. It gets worse in Season 2 when Priya is showing signs of turning into her parents in her treatment with Caleb, but this is never pointed out.
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** During the second season of the reboot, many fans admitted to wanting to see Julia and/or MK come out on top, in spite of them being the main villains who cheated and manipulated their way through the game, simply because they were so charismatic and their VillainousFriendship plot being widely considered to be the highlight of the season.

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** During the second season of the reboot, many fans admitted to wanting to see Julia and/or MK come out on top, in spite of them being the main villains who cheated and manipulated their way through the game, simply because they were so charismatic and their VillainousFriendship plot being widely considered to be the highlight of the season. The fact the rest of the cast bar Damien, Caleb, Nichelle, and Priya not doing much of anything all season is a huge factor as well.
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** During the second season of the reboot, many fans admitted to wanting to see Julia and/or MK come out on top, in spite of them being the main villains who cheated and manipulated their way through the game, simply because they were so charismatic and their VillainousFriendship plot being widely considered to be the highlight of the season.
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** Emma has also gotten shipped around a fair bit, mostly due to fans agreeing she needs someone better than Chase. Wayne and Zee are the most popular options, but she's also been shipped with Axel, Priya and Caleb.
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** Priya/Damien is shown to be a very popular ship, even after Priya/Caleb becomes canon. This is probably because Priya and Damien had moments of ShipTease in Part 1, with fans enjoying their MasculineGirlFeminineBoy dynamic with the two always being genuinely friendly and supportive with one another, with Priya's relationship with Damien being the only one not to have any issues. It doesn't help that Priya’s romance with Caleb [[RomanticPlotTumor takes over the back half of Part 2]].

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** Priya/Damien is shown to be a very popular ship, even after Priya/Caleb becomes canon. This is probably because Priya and Damien had moments of ShipTease in Part 1, with fans enjoying their MasculineGirlFeminineBoy dynamic with the two always being genuinely friendly and supportive with one another, with Priya's relationship with Damien being the only one not to have any issues. Fans also felt that Priya's go-getter nature would help push Damien to overcome his anxieties, while Damien's supportive nature is what Priya needs given her upbringing. It doesn't help that Priya’s romance with Caleb [[RomanticPlotTumor takes over the back half of Part 2]].
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** Priya/Damien is shown to be a very popular ship, even after Priya/Caleb becomes canon. This is probably because Priya and Damien had moments of ShipTease in Part 1, with fans enjoying their MasculineGirlFeminineBoy dynamic with the two always being genuinely friendly and supportive with one another, with Priya's relationship with Damien being the only one not to have any issues. It doesn't help that Priya’s romance with Caleb in the show becomes [[RomanticPlotTumor problematic and takes over the back half of Part 2]].
*** Alternatively, Damien gets shipped with Nichelle quite a bit due to them having a lot of interactions and are usually being seen together throughout Part 2 before Nichelle quits the show. Many fans are hoping for a chance for Damien and Nichelle to interact more in future seasons so that they can become a couple.

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** Priya/Damien is shown to be a very popular ship, even after Priya/Caleb becomes canon. This is probably because Priya and Damien had moments of ShipTease in Part 1, with fans enjoying their MasculineGirlFeminineBoy dynamic with the two always being genuinely friendly and supportive with one another, with Priya's relationship with Damien being the only one not to have any issues. It doesn't help that Priya’s romance with Caleb in the show becomes [[RomanticPlotTumor problematic and takes over the back half of Part 2]].
*** Alternatively, Damien gets shipped with Nichelle quite a bit due to them having a lot of interactions and are usually being seen together throughout Part 2 before Nichelle quits the show. Many fans are hoping for a chance for Damien and Nichelle to interact more in future seasons so that they can become a couple.
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** Priya/Damien is shown to be a very popular ship, even after Priya/Caleb becomes canon. This is probably because Priya and Damien had moments of ShipTease in Part 1, with fans enjoying their MasculineGirlFeminineBoy dynamic with the two always being genuinely friendly and supportive with one another, with Priya's relationship with Damien being the only one not to have any issues. It doesn't help that Priya’s romance with Caleb in the show becomes [[RomanticPlotTumor problematic and takes over the back half of Part 2]].
*** Alternatively, Damien gets shipped with Nichelle quite a bit due to them having a lot of interactions and are usually being seen together throughout Part 2 before Nichelle quits the show. Many fans are hoping for a chance for Damien and Nichelle to interact more in future seasons so that they can become a couple.

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** Several people who shipped Wayne and Julia moved to shipping Julia with MK due to their LesYay filled alliance in the second season of the reboot.

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** Several people who shipped Wayne and Julia moved to shipping Julia with MK due to their LesYay filled alliance in the second season of the reboot. That said, the pairing still has a decent amount of supporters all things considered.


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** Similarly to the above, Wayne/Julia/MK is this for people who love Julia and MK's LesYay-filled VillainousFriendship, but don't want to let go of the idea of Julia/Wayne.
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** Priya in the first season of the reboot is TheAce able to bring herself and [[TheLoad Millie]] to the final 3 under her own strength and intelligence. Come Season 2, she's so lovestruck by Caleb that he's become the one carrying her through challenges and has to force herself to show the skill set she was so acclaimed for in Season 1.

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