History YMMV / Torchwood

21st Mar '18 1:26:04 PM AmuckCricetine
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* FauxSymbolism: ''End of Days'' has this in spades. Abaddon[[note]]A.K.A. TheDevil[[/note]] is unleashed by Owen, Gwen, Ianto and Tosh opening the rift, going against Jack’s explicit orders not to. Jack ends up performing a HeroicSacrifice to stop Abaddon, even dying in a CrucifiedHeroShot. He remains dead for several days, then rises and immediately forgives those who betrayed him.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Ianto's offhand comment that his dad was a master tailor in "Something Borrowed" leaves a different taste in your mouth after ''Children of Earth''.

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* FauxSymbolism: ''End "[[{{Recap/TorchwoodS1E13EndOfDays}} End of Days'' Days]]" has this in spades. Abaddon[[note]]A.K.A. TheDevil[[/note]] is unleashed by Owen, Gwen, Ianto and Tosh opening the rift, going against Jack’s explicit orders not to. Jack ends up performing a HeroicSacrifice to stop Abaddon, even dying in a CrucifiedHeroShot. He remains dead for several days, then rises and immediately forgives those who betrayed him.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Ianto's offhand comment that his dad was a master tailor in "Something Borrowed" "[[{{Recap/TorchwoodS2E9SomethingBorrowed}} Something Borrowed]]" leaves a different taste in your mouth after ''Children of Earth''.



*** Though the Woobie elements have been hinted at since "Ghost Machine", where Owen is deeply affected by witnessing a young woman's brutal rape and murder from years ago. The machine ''did'' cause him to feel her emotions, but that doesn't change that Owen was deeply affected to the point of nearly killing her (now old and mentally unsound) murderer - yet when the old man was dying, Owen's instincts as a doctor kick in and he tries to unsuccessfully save his life.

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*** Though the Woobie elements have been hinted at since "Ghost Machine", "[[{{Recap/TorchwoodS1E3GhostMachine}} Ghost Machine]]", where Owen is deeply affected by witnessing a young woman's brutal rape and murder from years ago. The machine ''did'' cause him to feel her emotions, but that doesn't change that Owen was deeply affected to the point of nearly killing her (now old and mentally unsound) murderer - yet when the old man was dying, Owen's instincts as a doctor kick in and he tries to unsuccessfully save his life.



* NeverLiveItDown: Owen using alien drugs to make a couple have sex with him, essentially ''raping'' them.



* {{Narm}}: "Cyberwoman". You would expect the producers would use their newfound ability to show gore to really play up the BodyHorror of the Cybermen, and show what it's like to have a lover's body be stripped of its organic material and violently replaced with machinery. Instead, we got an actress in a cyber-thong and bendy plastic top that doesn't even slightly look like it's part of her skin.

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* {{Narm}}: "Cyberwoman"."[[{{Recap/TorchwoodS1E4Cyberwoman}} Cyberwoman]]". You would expect the producers would use their newfound ability to show gore to really play up the BodyHorror of the Cybermen, and show what it's like to have a lover's body be stripped of its organic material and violently replaced with machinery. Instead, we got an actress in a cyber-thong and bendy plastic top that doesn't even slightly look like it's part of her skin.skin.
* NeverLiveItDown: Owen using alien drugs to make a couple have sex with him, essentially ''raping'' them.



* RonTheDeathEater: Many fans viewed the extremely negative depiction of UNIT in "Fragments" as an example of this trope.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Many fans viewed the extremely negative depiction of UNIT in "Fragments" "[[{{Recap/TorchwoodS2E12Fragments}} Fragments]]" as an example of this trope.



* TheScrappy:
** Owen, an apparent attempt to create a [[TheCharmer Jack-the-Lad]] type character that failed dismally. In the story world he's supposed to be some kind of [[TheCasanova love god]], but the actor playing him is strangely froglike and charm-free. It doesn't help that when we first see him he's getting women to sleep with him by using a special spray he nicked from Torchwood supplies that made him irresistible (which more than a few fans saw as essentially Owen raping unwilling sexual partners). However, in the second series, the writers acknowledged all of this and early on took constant digs at him. [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap His popularity increased]] with his character arc through the second season, only for [[spoiler:him to be [[AlasPoorScrappy killed off]] in a heartbreaking final episode]].

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* TheScrappy:
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TheScrappy: Owen, an apparent attempt to create a [[TheCharmer Jack-the-Lad]] type character that failed dismally. In the story world he's supposed to be some kind of [[TheCasanova love god]], but the actor playing him is strangely froglike and charm-free. It doesn't help that when we first see him he's getting women to sleep with him by using a special spray he nicked from Torchwood supplies that made him irresistible (which more than a few fans saw as essentially Owen raping unwilling sexual partners). However, in the second series, the writers acknowledged all of this and early on took constant digs at him. [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap His popularity increased]] with his character arc through the second season, only for [[spoiler:him to be [[AlasPoorScrappy killed off]] in a heartbreaking final episode]].



*** Big Finish seems in the process of explaining these in their ''Torchwood'' ranges and ''The Lives of Captain Jack''.

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*** Big Finish Creator/BigFinish seems in the process of explaining these in their ''Torchwood'' ranges and ''The Lives of Captain Jack''.



** The 'cash cow' from Meat. Also the main alien from spin-off novel [[NothingIsScarier 'Into The Silence']]. The latter also counts as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, and the way in which it finds refuge is oddly {{heart|warming moments}}[[TearJerker warming]].

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** The 'cash cow' from Meat."[[{{Recap/TorchwoodS2E4Meat}} Meat]]". Also the main alien from spin-off novel [[NothingIsScarier 'Into The Silence']]. The latter also counts as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, and the way in which it finds refuge is oddly {{heart|warming moments}}[[TearJerker warming]].
28th Dec '17 8:46:45 AM EatLaserBeams
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Fans are divided on whether Gwen is TheScrappy or a decent, well-liked character.
* BrokenBase: Some fans ran into a few problems with this over [[BaseBreakingCharacter Gwen]] in the first two seasons. What really dug a divide between previously calm fans were the events of [[spoiler: ''Children of Earth'''s Day Four and Day Five]]. Be careful about any criticisms OR compliments you have about [[spoiler:Ianto's death or how it was handled]]. And what Jack did on Day Five [[spoiler:[[WouldHurtAChild to Steven]]]] is a HUGE hot button issue.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Fans are divided on whether Gwen is TheScrappy or a decent, well-liked character.
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** The usual motive is for DieForOurShip reasons, due to her mutual UST with Jack interfering with the [[DieForOurShip beloved]] [[OfficialCouple Jack/Ianto]] relationship.
** She is also EasilyForgiven for her misgivings. While some can't stand it, some others argue that pretty much the whole team is EasilyForgiven: Tosh brought an evil alien into the Hub itself, Owen [[spoiler: killed Jack before knowing he couldn't die]], Ianto had his [[spoiler: killer cyberwoman girlfriend in the basement]], and Gwen set loose a killer alien on her first day by trying to show off.
** The whole thing with Rhys at the end of Series 1, when she selfishly drugs her boyfriend to erase his memory of her cheating on him for the sake of her own catharsis while attempting to dodge any real consequences for it, is a sticking point to those who dislike Gwen, while there are some that see it as an understandable mistake.
* BrokenBase: Some As seen in the above trope, some fans ran into a few problems with this over [[BaseBreakingCharacter Gwen]] Gwen in the first two seasons. What really dug a divide between previously calm fans fans, however, were the events of [[spoiler: ''Children of Earth'''s Day Four and Day Five]]. Be careful about any criticisms OR compliments you have about [[spoiler:Ianto's death or how it was handled]]. And what Jack did on Day Five [[spoiler:[[WouldHurtAChild to Steven]]]] is a HUGE ''huge'' hot button issue.



** Gwen Cooper is probably the most polarizing character on the series usually for DieForOurShip reasons, due to her mutual UST with Jack interfering with the [[DieForOurShip beloved]] [[OfficialCouple Jack/Ianto]] relationship; she is also EasilyForgiven. In all fairness, pretty much the whole team is EasilyForgiven: Tosh brought an evil alien into the Hub itself, Owen [[spoiler: killed Jack before knowing he couldn't die]], Ianto had his [[spoiler: killer cyberwoman girlfriend in the basement]], and Gwen set loose a killer alien on her first day by trying to show off. [[DoubleStandard The double standards on how much everyone is easily forgiven make her Scrappy status baffling to some.]] Additionally, given that Gwen has an equal amount of fans who do like her, she qualifies much more easily as a BaseBreakingCharacter than [[TheScrappy the scrappy]]. Of course, the whole thing with Rhys at the end of the season 1 when she selfishly drugs her boyfriend to erase his memory of her cheating on him for the sake of her own catharsis while attempting to dodge any real consequences for it is a sticking point to those who dislike Gwen.
11th Dec '17 11:08:44 AM Anddrix
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** Gwen Cooper is probably the most [[LoveItOrHateIt polarizing character on the series]] usually for DieForOurShip reasons, due to her mutual UST with Jack interfering with the [[DieForOurShip beloved]] [[OfficialCouple Jack/Ianto]] relationship; she is also EasilyForgiven. In all fairness, pretty much the whole team is EasilyForgiven: Tosh brought an evil alien into the Hub itself, Owen [[spoiler: killed Jack before knowing he couldn't die]], Ianto had his [[spoiler: killer cyberwoman girlfriend in the basement]], and Gwen set loose a killer alien on her first day by trying to show off. [[DoubleStandard The double standards on how much everyone is easily forgiven make her Scrappy status baffling to some.]] Additionally, given that Gwen has an equal amount of fans who do like her, she qualifies much more easily as a BaseBreakingCharacter than [[TheScrappy the scrappy]]. Of course, the whole thing with Rhys at the end of the season 1 when she selfishly drugs her boyfriend to erase his memory of her cheating on him for the sake of her own catharsis while attempting to dodge any real consequences for it is a sticking point to those who dislike Gwen.

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** Gwen Cooper is probably the most [[LoveItOrHateIt polarizing character on the series]] series usually for DieForOurShip reasons, due to her mutual UST with Jack interfering with the [[DieForOurShip beloved]] [[OfficialCouple Jack/Ianto]] relationship; she is also EasilyForgiven. In all fairness, pretty much the whole team is EasilyForgiven: Tosh brought an evil alien into the Hub itself, Owen [[spoiler: killed Jack before knowing he couldn't die]], Ianto had his [[spoiler: killer cyberwoman girlfriend in the basement]], and Gwen set loose a killer alien on her first day by trying to show off. [[DoubleStandard The double standards on how much everyone is easily forgiven make her Scrappy status baffling to some.]] Additionally, given that Gwen has an equal amount of fans who do like her, she qualifies much more easily as a BaseBreakingCharacter than [[TheScrappy the scrappy]]. Of course, the whole thing with Rhys at the end of the season 1 when she selfishly drugs her boyfriend to erase his memory of her cheating on him for the sake of her own catharsis while attempting to dodge any real consequences for it is a sticking point to those who dislike Gwen.
11th Oct '17 10:34:01 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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* NeverLiveItDown: Owen using alien drugs to make a couple have sex with him, essentially ''raping'' them.
31st Aug '17 11:43:38 PM WarriorsGate
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* {{Narm}}: "Cyberwoman". You would expect the producers would use their newfound ability to show gore to really play up the BodyHorror of the Cybermen, and show what it's like to have a lover's body be stripped of its organic material and violently replaced with machinery. Instead, we got an actress in a cyber-thong and bendy plastic top that doesn't even slightly look like it's part of her skin.
13th Jul '17 8:03:44 AM MeekGazelle
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*** Big Finish seems in the process of explaining these in their ''Torchwood'' ranges and ''The Lives of Captain Jack''.
8th Jul '17 7:31:42 PM MeekGazelle
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** Gray hated his brother Jack and went through a hellish life as a slave for savage aliens who abducted him because Jack failed to protect Gray when they were children and said aliens invaded their home, killing their father. They frequently killed and abused humans. Jack has to chloroform and cryofreeze Gray after he goes on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge, killing Owen and Tosh in the process. This makes him a serious villain in the series, and Jack intends to unfreeze him one day and deal with him. Except that the Hub and its cryofreezes patients get blown to kingdom come in "Children of Earth: Day One". That would include Gray. But... we never saw where Gray's cryofreeze capsule was sent after Jack checked it into the mourge, so it's unclear if Gray is dead or alive now.

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** Gray hated his brother Jack and went through a hellish life as a slave for savage aliens who abducted him because Jack failed to protect Gray when they were children and said aliens invaded their home, killing their father. They frequently killed and abused humans. Jack has to chloroform and cryofreeze Gray after he goes on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge, killing Owen and Tosh in the process. This makes him a serious villain in the series, and Jack intends to unfreeze him one day and deal with him. Except that the Hub and its cryofreezes cryofrozen patients get blown to kingdom come in "Children of Earth: Day One". That would include Gray. But... we never saw where Gray's cryofreeze capsule was sent after Jack checked it into the mourge, morgue, so it's unclear if Gray is dead or alive now.
13th Jun '17 8:14:32 AM Eagal
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* AlasPoorScrappy: [[spoiler:Owen, twice. His first death arguably got him RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap.]]

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* AlasPoorScrappy: [[spoiler:Owen, twice. His first death arguably got him RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap.]]
20th Apr '17 5:57:35 AM LondonKdS
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* UncertainAudience: One of the problems about the first season seems to have been that the writers and directors were all over the shop about whether they were doing a DenserAndWackier HotterAndSexier show full of fanboy RuleOfCool moments and fangirl feels, or a grey rain-soaked ultra-depressing cop show with barely-relevant SF {{MacGuffin}}s. This led to some weird juxtapositions between episodes and even more disturbing results when the two seemed to overlap.
25th Mar '17 12:28:51 PM MagBas
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%%* UnfortunateImplications: Owen uses a cologne that gets people interested in him in the first episode. A high-tech date rape drug, in other words. FridgeHorror for some... And immediate horror for others. Has to be chalked up to [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness first episode weirdness]] to have Owen be anything other than a villain.
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