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** [[spoiler:Eddie crosses the line with his actions after Ralph's murder. While Ralph's murder was a genuine accident, his response is to mutilate the corpse, then frame a mugger for it to throw off any suspicion. Then he tops it off by blowing up an evidence locker, ''while people are still in the building'', just so Iris can't reopen the case]]. At this point, it becomes clear that he needs to be stopped as soon as possible.
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** [[spoiler:Eddie crosses the line with his actions after Ralph's murder. While Ralph's murder was a genuine accident, his response is to mutilate the corpse, then frame a mugger for it to throw off any suspicion. Then he tops it off by blowing up an evidence locker, ''while people are still in the building'', just so Iris can't reopen the case]].suspicion]]. At this point, it becomes clear that he needs to be stopped as soon as possible.
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** [[spoiler:Eddie crosses the line with his actions after Ralph's murder. While Ralph's murder was a genuine accident, his response is to mutilate the corpse, then frame a mugger for it to get suspicion away from him]]. At this point, it becomes clear that he needs to be stopped as soon as possible.
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** [[spoiler:Eddie crosses the line with his actions after Ralph's murder. While Ralph's murder was a genuine accident, his response is to mutilate the corpse, then frame a mugger for it to get suspicion away from him]].throw off any suspicion. Then he tops it off by blowing up an evidence locker, ''while people are still in the building'', just so Iris can't reopen the case]]. At this point, it becomes clear that he needs to be stopped as soon as possible.
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** [[spoiler:Eddie crosses the line with his actions after Ralph's murder. While Ralph's murder was a genuine accident, his response is to mutilate the corpse, then kill and frame a mugger for it to get suspicion away from him]]. At this point, it becomes clear that he needs to be stopped as soon as possible.
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** [[spoiler:Eddie crosses the line with his actions after Ralph's murder. While Ralph's murder was a genuine accident, his response is to mutilate the corpse, then kill and frame a mugger for it to get suspicion away from him]]. At this point, it becomes clear that he needs to be stopped as soon as possible.
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** [[spoiler:Eddie crosses the line with his actions after Ralph's murder. While Ralph's murder was a genuine accident, his response is to mutilate the corpse, then kill and frame a mugger for it to get suspicion away from him]]. At this point, it becomes clear that he needs to be stopped as soon as possible.
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*MagnificentBastard:
** [[Characters/ArrowverseMalcolmMerlyn Malcolm Merlyn]], aka the [[EvilCounterpart Dark Archer]], is a former member of the [[Characters/ArrowverseLeagueOfAssassins League of Assassins]] who fled the League following a massacre by Talia al Ghul. Endeavoring to better Starling City and avenge his wife's death, Malcolm masterminded the Undertaking, an attempt to destroy the Glades and make the city better. Upon coming into conflict with the [[Characters/ArrowverseOliverQueen Green Arrow]], Malcolm schemes against him, yet ultimately proves to be little threat to the fellow archer before the Undertaking's failure. However, upon being captured by Talia and having Tommy's life threatened, he proves his manipulative abilities: first by convincing Tommy that Talia had his lover Isabel murdered, including leaving out his correct assumption that they were working together because Tommy would never believe him, then turning Tommy to his side and having him murder Talia, passing control of the League of Shadows onto him. After killing those who helped him because they might betray him as well, Malcolm then plants a BodyDouble so effective that even ARGUS is fooled, faking his death so he can lay low while Tommy helps him scheme against the Green Arrow further.
** [[GoodIsNotNice Amanda Waller]] is the director of [[Characters/ArrowverseARGUSAndTaskForceX ARGUS]] and the true leader of the ComicBook/JusticeLeague. Quickly deducing the heroes' identities, Waller blackmails all of them into working for her under the threat of exposing them. She also works with the Queens to scapegoat Frank Chen into confessing to the Undertaking, allowing them to get off scot free in exchange for stopping Malcolm Merlyn, while also revealing that she's aware of Malcolm and Oliver's relation yet is happy to keep it secret. Upon learning of the Dominator threat, Waller leads the human resistance in arming and preparing everyone capable of resisting the threat, later proving vital to repelling the invasion with her scientists. Upon becoming aware of [[Characters/ArrowverseHunterZolomon Zoom]]'s threat, Waller tortures Killer Frost to learn everything she can, making Deathstorm cave within moments. She then unleashes her signature creation, Task Force X, to rescue Barry and save his father from Zoom. Lacking any powers yet brave enough to insult Zoom to his face, Waller is one of the few people able to control the various heroes that work for her with nothing but [[BadassNormal her intelligence and information]].
** [[Characters/ArrowverseMalcolmMerlyn Malcolm Merlyn]], aka the [[EvilCounterpart Dark Archer]], is a former member of the [[Characters/ArrowverseLeagueOfAssassins League of Assassins]] who fled the League following a massacre by Talia al Ghul. Endeavoring to better Starling City and avenge his wife's death, Malcolm masterminded the Undertaking, an attempt to destroy the Glades and make the city better. Upon coming into conflict with the [[Characters/ArrowverseOliverQueen Green Arrow]], Malcolm schemes against him, yet ultimately proves to be little threat to the fellow archer before the Undertaking's failure. However, upon being captured by Talia and having Tommy's life threatened, he proves his manipulative abilities: first by convincing Tommy that Talia had his lover Isabel murdered, including leaving out his correct assumption that they were working together because Tommy would never believe him, then turning Tommy to his side and having him murder Talia, passing control of the League of Shadows onto him. After killing those who helped him because they might betray him as well, Malcolm then plants a BodyDouble so effective that even ARGUS is fooled, faking his death so he can lay low while Tommy helps him scheme against the Green Arrow further.
** [[GoodIsNotNice Amanda Waller]] is the director of [[Characters/ArrowverseARGUSAndTaskForceX ARGUS]] and the true leader of the ComicBook/JusticeLeague. Quickly deducing the heroes' identities, Waller blackmails all of them into working for her under the threat of exposing them. She also works with the Queens to scapegoat Frank Chen into confessing to the Undertaking, allowing them to get off scot free in exchange for stopping Malcolm Merlyn, while also revealing that she's aware of Malcolm and Oliver's relation yet is happy to keep it secret. Upon learning of the Dominator threat, Waller leads the human resistance in arming and preparing everyone capable of resisting the threat, later proving vital to repelling the invasion with her scientists. Upon becoming aware of [[Characters/ArrowverseHunterZolomon Zoom]]'s threat, Waller tortures Killer Frost to learn everything she can, making Deathstorm cave within moments. She then unleashes her signature creation, Task Force X, to rescue Barry and save his father from Zoom. Lacking any powers yet brave enough to insult Zoom to his face, Waller is one of the few people able to control the various heroes that work for her with nothing but [[BadassNormal her intelligence and information]].
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** [[Characters/ArrowverseHunterZolomon Hunter Zolomon]], aka Zoom, is a SerialKiller from Earth-2 who used his powers to conquer the world. Zoom also doubled as a superhero so that he could "kill" the hero on national TV and further destroy the world's hope. After learning that he was losing his speed, Zoom mercilessly tortured Earth-3 Jay Garrick before killing him; murdered Jesse Wells after forcing her father to help him--a low to which even his own canon counterpart never sank--and then murdered his Earth-1 counterpart to take over his life. Upon entering the story by almost murdering Barry for no reason, Zoom quickly establishes himself as Barry's ArchEnemy and attempts to take over Earth-1 [[ForTheEvulz just because]]. After attempting to murder Barry's father just to prove they're NotSoDifferent, Zoom leads an invasion of Earth-1 that leads to hundreds of deaths and thousands of dollars of destruction to the city, all because he believes that he deserves to rule over whatever was left.
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** [[Characters/ArrowverseHunterZolomon Hunter Zolomon]], aka Zoom, is a SerialKiller from Earth-2 who used his powers to conquer the world. Zoom also doubled as a superhero so that he could "kill" the hero on national TV and further destroy the world's hope. After learning that he was losing his speed, Zoom mercilessly tortured Earth-3 Jay Garrick before killing him; murdered Jesse Wells after forcing her father to help him--a low to which even his own canon counterpart never sank--and then murdered his Earth-1 counterpart to take over his life. Upon entering the story by almost murdering Barry for no reason, Zoom quickly establishes himself as Barry's ArchEnemy and attempts to take over Earth-1 [[ForTheEvulz just because]]. After attempting to murder Barry's father just to prove they're NotSoDifferent, not so different, Zoom leads an invasion of Earth-1 that leads to hundreds of deaths and thousands of dollars of destruction to the city, all because he believes that he deserves to rule over whatever was left.
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** InUniverse, it's made very clear that sinking the ''Queen's Gambit'' was one as everyone learning the true circumstances behind the shipwreck is horrified and disgusted by Merlyn, even Malcolm himself.
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** [[PsychopathicWomanchild Talia al Ghul]] is the daughter of the legendary ComicBook/RasAlGhul who let the dream of power go to her head. Convinced that she was deserving of power and respect from everyone, Talia once murdered 50 innocent people just because [[DisproportionateRetribution one of them insulted her]], making even [[EvenEvilHasStandards her own father]] disown her and remove her from the [[Characters/ArrowverseLeagueOfAssassins League]]. Wanting a Lazarus Pit for her own use, Talia forces Malcolm Merlyn to lead her to one by manipulating his son Tommy into a relationship with Isabel, killing her, and driving him into her own League. After learning that the League has a line of succession, Talia attempts to murder the innocent Iris West to attract the Justice League's attention before assaulting Nanda Parbat, attempting to murder her own father and sister to attain the role of Ra's; Nyssa also reveals that this is not the first time Talia has attempted to kill her out of jealousy. After being handily defeated, Talia abandons her own loyal followers to die while she retreats.
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** [[PsychopathicWomanchild Talia al Ghul]] ComicBook/TaliaAlGhul is the daughter of the legendary ComicBook/RasAlGhul who let the dream of power go to her head. Convinced that she was deserving of power and respect from everyone, Talia once murdered 50 innocent people just because [[DisproportionateRetribution one of them insulted her]], making even [[EvenEvilHasStandards her own father]] disown her and remove her from the [[Characters/ArrowverseLeagueOfAssassins League]]. Wanting a Lazarus Pit for her own use, Talia forces Malcolm Merlyn to lead her to one by manipulating his son Tommy into a relationship with Isabel, killing her, and driving him into her own League. After learning that the League has a line of succession, Talia attempts to murder the innocent Iris West to attract the Justice League's attention before assaulting Nanda Parbat, attempting to murder her own father and sister to attain the role of Ra's; Nyssa also reveals that this is not the first time Talia has attempted to kill her out of jealousy. After being handily defeated, Talia abandons her own loyal followers to die while she retreats.
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* JerkassWoobie:
** Eddie Thawne. His AdaptationalJerkass treatment makes it hard to like him; he's selfish, obsessed with the Flash, and struggles with taking responsibility for his actions. And then we meet his parents and so much of his behavior makes sense, especially as we see just how often they demean, insult, and outright dismiss him whenever they don't need him for PR purposes. It's taken to its logical extreme when they don't even visit him during his nine-month coma.
** Tommy Merlyn. He's possessive, jealous, prone to fits of rage against the wrong people, and throws his lot in with his father after killing Talia. He's also given the harshest TraumaCongaLine in the entire fic (getting shot ''on two separate occasions'' is only the start of it) and is being lied to and manipulated by everyone around him for their own goals, ensuring that he never knows the true impact of his actions. Additionally, when he believes that he's found love with Isabel, it's revealed that she was only using him for her own ends, and then she ends up murdered anyway.
** Eddie Thawne. His AdaptationalJerkass treatment makes it hard to like him; he's selfish, obsessed with the Flash, and struggles with taking responsibility for his actions. And then we meet his parents and so much of his behavior makes sense, especially as we see just how often they demean, insult, and outright dismiss him whenever they don't need him for PR purposes. It's taken to its logical extreme when they don't even visit him during his nine-month coma.
** Tommy Merlyn. He's possessive, jealous, prone to fits of rage against the wrong people, and throws his lot in with his father after killing Talia. He's also given the harshest TraumaCongaLine in the entire fic (getting shot ''on two separate occasions'' is only the start of it) and is being lied to and manipulated by everyone around him for their own goals, ensuring that he never knows the true impact of his actions. Additionally, when he believes that he's found love with Isabel, it's revealed that she was only using him for her own ends, and then she ends up murdered anyway.
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** [[PsychopathicWomanchild Talia al Ghul]] is the daughter of the legendary ComicBook/RasAlGhul who let the dream of power go to her head. Convinced that she was deserving of power and respect from everyone, Talia once murdered 50 innocent people just because [[DisproportionateRetribution one of them insulted her]], making even [[EvenEvilHasStandards her own father]] disown her and remove her from the [[Characters/ArrowverseLeagueOfAssassins League]]. Wanting a Lazarus Pit for her own use, Talia forces Malcolm Merlyn to lead her to one by manipulating his son Tommy into a relationship with Isabel, killing her, and driving him into her own League. After learning that the League has a line of succession, Talia attempts to murder the innocent Iris West to attract the Justice League's attention before assaulting Nanda Parbat, attempting to murder her own father and sister to attain the role of Ra's; Nyssa also reveals that this is not the first time Talia has attempted to kill her out of jealousy. After being handily defeated, Talia abandons her own loyal followers to die while she retreats.
** [[Characters/ArrowverseHunterZolomon Hunter Zolomon]], aka Zoom, is a SerialKiller from Earth-2 who used his powers to conquer the world. Zoom also doubled as a superhero so that he could "kill" the hero on national TV and further destroy the world's hope. After learning that he was losing his speed, Zoom mercilessly tortured Earth-3 Jay Garrick before killing him; murdered Jesse Wells after forcing her father to help him--a low to which even his own canon counterpart never sank--and then murdered his Earth-1 counterpart to take over his life. Upon entering the story by almost murdering Barry for no reason, Zoom quickly establishes himself as Barry's ArchEnemy and attempts to take over Earth-1 [[ForTheEvulz just because]]. After attempting to murder Barry's father just to prove they're NotSoDifferent, Zoom leads an invasion of Earth-1 that leads to hundreds of deaths and thousands of dollars of destruction to the city, all because he believes that he deserves to rule over whatever was left.
** [[PsychopathicWomanchild Talia al Ghul]] is the daughter of the legendary ComicBook/RasAlGhul who let the dream of power go to her head. Convinced that she was deserving of power and respect from everyone, Talia once murdered 50 innocent people just because [[DisproportionateRetribution one of them insulted her]], making even [[EvenEvilHasStandards her own father]] disown her and remove her from the [[Characters/ArrowverseLeagueOfAssassins League]]. Wanting a Lazarus Pit for her own use, Talia forces Malcolm Merlyn to lead her to one by manipulating his son Tommy into a relationship with Isabel, killing her, and driving him into her own League. After learning that the League has a line of succession, Talia attempts to murder the innocent Iris West to attract the Justice League's attention before assaulting Nanda Parbat, attempting to murder her own father and sister to attain the role of Ra's; Nyssa also reveals that this is not the first time Talia has attempted to kill her out of jealousy. After being handily defeated, Talia abandons her own loyal followers to die while she retreats.
** [[Characters/ArrowverseHunterZolomon Hunter Zolomon]], aka Zoom, is a SerialKiller from Earth-2 who used his powers to conquer the world. Zoom also doubled as a superhero so that he could "kill" the hero on national TV and further destroy the world's hope. After learning that he was losing his speed, Zoom mercilessly tortured Earth-3 Jay Garrick before killing him; murdered Jesse Wells after forcing her father to help him--a low to which even his own canon counterpart never sank--and then murdered his Earth-1 counterpart to take over his life. Upon entering the story by almost murdering Barry for no reason, Zoom quickly establishes himself as Barry's ArchEnemy and attempts to take over Earth-1 [[ForTheEvulz just because]]. After attempting to murder Barry's father just to prove they're NotSoDifferent, Zoom leads an invasion of Earth-1 that leads to hundreds of deaths and thousands of dollars of destruction to the city, all because he believes that he deserves to rule over whatever was left.
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* InvincibleHero: Kara has shades of this--her ComboPlatterPowers would make her one of the most dangerous characters in the cast as it is, but her BoxingLessonsForSuperman, CombatPragmatist attitude, and KryptoniteProofSuit make her practically unbeatable. The only antagonists to give her serious trouble are Grodd and Astra, and the latter only because Kara decided to not use her Kryptonite sword as a mark of respect for her WorthyOpponent.
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** [[spoiler:Talia al Ghul and Adrian Chase]] cross it when they arrange for [[spoiler:Tommy to fall in love with Isabel, only to murder her just as he was going to propose to her. While Isabel herself is not innocent, they deliberately mimic the murder of Tommy's mother from a decade earlier to ensure that he truly is emotionally broken enough to leave Starling City completely.]]
*** If there was any doubt, it's revealed that [[spoiler:Talia]] actually crossed it long before the story began. [[spoiler:During a mission to assassinate a drug lord, one of the target's harem insulted her, leading to her poisoning all fifty women in revenge]]. Malcolm later cites this as the moment that convinced him to leave the League completely.
** If [[spoiler:Zoom]] didn't cross it in his very first appearance by showing up out of nowhere and almost killing Barry with no provocation, he definitely crosses it when he [[spoiler:forces Barry to watch him torture Earth-3 Jay Garrick, knowing full well that Jay is a doppelgänger of Barry's father]].
** [[spoiler:Talia al Ghul and Adrian Chase]] cross it when they arrange for [[spoiler:Tommy to fall in love with Isabel, only to murder her just as he was going to propose to her. While Isabel herself is not innocent, they deliberately mimic the murder of Tommy's mother from a decade earlier to ensure that he truly is emotionally broken enough to leave Starling City completely.]]
*** If there was any doubt, it's revealed that [[spoiler:Talia]] actually crossed it long before the story began. [[spoiler:During a mission to assassinate a drug lord, one of the target's harem insulted her, leading to her poisoning all fifty women in revenge]]. Malcolm later cites this as the moment that convinced him to leave the League completely.
** If [[spoiler:Zoom]] didn't cross it in his very first appearance by showing up out of nowhere and almost killing Barry with no provocation, he definitely crosses it when he [[spoiler:forces Barry to watch him torture Earth-3 Jay Garrick, knowing full well that Jay is a doppelgänger of Barry's father]].
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* OneTrueThreesome: [[spoiler:During the Dominators' illusion, Oliver and Laurel only regain full memory of their real lives when they meet Nyssa in the illusion, with the author affirming that this foreshadows Nyssa becoming part of Oliver and Laurel's relationship in reality]].
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* OneTrueThreesome: [[spoiler:During the Dominators' illusion, Oliver and Laurel only regain full memory of their real lives when they meet Nyssa in the illusion, with the author affirming that this foreshadows Nyssa becoming part of Oliver and Laurel's relationship in reality]].reality; the two admit their feelings to Nyssa in chapter 88]].
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* BoringInvincibleHero: Kara has shades of this--her ComboPlatterPowers would make her one of the most dangerous characters in the cast as it is, but her BoxingLessonsForSuperman, CombatPragmatist attitude, and KryptoniteProofSuit make her practically unbeatable. The only antagonists to give her serious trouble are Grodd and Astra, and the latter only because Kara decided to not use her Kryptonite sword as a mark of respect for her WorthyOpponent.
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* InvincibleHero: Kara has shades of this--her ComboPlatterPowers would make her one of the most dangerous characters in the cast as it is, but her BoxingLessonsForSuperman, CombatPragmatist attitude, and KryptoniteProofSuit make her practically unbeatable. The only antagonists to give her serious trouble are Grodd and Astra, and the latter only because Kara decided to not use her Kryptonite sword as a mark of respect for her WorthyOpponent.
