History YMMV / TheWheelOfTime

5th Nov '16 4:18:13 PM Morgenthaler
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* AwesomeEgo: [[{{Badass}} Demandred]].

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6th Oct '16 4:40:56 PM MGD107
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* They WastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: After numerous books of Masema being an evil zealot causing all kinds if misery in Rand's name, just about everyone was eagerly looking forward to his inevitably meeting Rand again and being destroyed to discover that he didn't want any of it, and he'd done nothing but make the world worse. Instead, he's anti-climactically killed at the start of "The Gathering Storm," and by Faile rather than anyone who'd personally been affected by him.

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* They WastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: After numerous books of Masema being an evil zealot causing all kinds if misery in Rand's name, just about everyone was eagerly looking forward to his inevitably meeting Rand again and being destroyed to discover that he didn't want any of it, and he'd done nothing but make the world worse. Instead, he's anti-climactically killed at the start of "The Gathering Storm," and by Faile rather than anyone who'd personally been affected by him.
29th Sep '16 8:16:41 AM Pren
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* They WastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: After numerous books of Masema being an evil zealot causing all kinds if misery in Rand's name, just about everyone was eagerly looking forward to his inevitably meeting Rand again and being destroyed to discover that he didn't want any of it, and he'd done nothing but make the world worse. Instead, he's anti-climactically killed at the start of "The Gathering Storm," and by Faile rather than anyone who'd personally been affected by him.
7th Aug '16 7:11:22 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Egwene is probably the most divisive character in the fandom. The fact that she is considered by many to be a MarySue, coupled with a lack of introspection means you either love her or hate her.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Egwene is probably the most divisive character in the fandom. The fact that she is considered by many to be a MarySue, coupled with a lack of introspection means you either love her or hate her.



** The key reason why Egwene is such a BaseBreaker depends on how much the reader might notice how much this applies to her. Because Elayne and Nynaeve spend so much time together, while Egwene separated from them early in Book 4, it's often forgotten that she was just as much trapped as they were before Mat rescued them in Book 3, and that she treated Mat just as badly as they did if not moreso (early in Book 4, there's a scene between Mat and Egwene told through her POV showing us just how much she despises him). Unlike Elayne and Nynaeve, Egwene has never apologized for it nor been made to see that she needs to.

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** The key reason why Egwene is such a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter depends on how much the reader might notice how much this applies to her. Because Elayne and Nynaeve spend so much time together, while Egwene separated from them early in Book 4, it's often forgotten that she was just as much trapped as they were before Mat rescued them in Book 3, and that she treated Mat just as badly as they did if not moreso (early in Book 4, there's a scene between Mat and Egwene told through her POV showing us just how much she despises him). Unlike Elayne and Nynaeve, Egwene has never apologized for it nor been made to see that she needs to.
24th May '16 6:12:48 AM Whitecroc
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Whitecloaks are portrayed as misguided bigots in their persecution of Aes Sedai, but it is plausible to think that their crusade against Aes Sedai is completely justified. Darkfriend frequency in the general population seems to be about .5% - 1% of the general population. Since there are about 1000 Aes Sedai, we'd expect the Black Ajah to number between 5 and 10. By ''Towers of Midnight'' it's looking like there are at least 200, and those are just the ones a certain detective uncovered. Conclusion: Aes Sedai are '''20 to 40 times more likely''' to be Darkfriends than the general population. And dangerous ones, too, not people merely dabbling in wickedness. If I'm a guy just minding his own business in Randland, I've got to think "Yeah, the Whitecloaks got it right; burn the Tower to the ground and do the world a favor."
** They have no way of knowing this, however, and simply assume that every one of them is a Darkfriend. That Aes Sedai have a high proportion of Black Ajah is coincidental and not made public until the last few weeks of the story (and the Whitecloaks have been around for centuries) So, they're still misguided bigots.
*** Since it's possible to forcibly [[BrainwashedAndCrazy Turn]] a channeller to TheDarkSide, and [[MindManipulation Compulsion]] is a thing, the increased proportion of Darkfriends among Aes Sedai seems less likely to be a sign of channellers being evil, and more a case of evil channellers being in a unique position to recruit.
** It's hard to tell, but the proportion of Darkfriends in the Whitecloaks also seems to be higher than the norm (at least one of their leaders has been one). After all, what better place for a baddie to hide than in an organisation that considers itself above suspicion and gives the opportunity to sow discord and despair by instigating {{witch hunt}}s?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Whitecloaks are portrayed as misguided bigots in their persecution of Aes Sedai, but it is plausible to think that their crusade against Aes Sedai is completely justified. Darkfriend frequency in the general population seems to be about .5% - 1% of the general population. Since there are about 1000 Aes Sedai, we'd expect the Black Ajah to number between 5 and 10. By ''Towers of Midnight'' it's looking like there are at least 200, and those are just the ones a certain detective uncovered. Conclusion: Aes Sedai are '''20 to 40 times more likely''' to be Darkfriends than the general population. And dangerous ones, too, not people merely dabbling in wickedness. If I'm a guy just minding his own business in Randland, I've got to think "Yeah, the Whitecloaks got it right; burn the Tower to the ground and do the world a favor."
** They have no way of knowing this, however, and simply assume that every one of them is a Darkfriend. That Aes Sedai have a high proportion of Black Ajah is coincidental and not made public until the last few weeks of the story (and the Whitecloaks have been around for centuries) So, they're still misguided bigots.
*** Since it's possible to forcibly [[BrainwashedAndCrazy Turn]] a channeller to TheDarkSide, and [[MindManipulation Compulsion]] is a thing, the increased proportion of Darkfriends among Aes Sedai seems less likely to be a sign of channellers being evil, and more a case of evil channellers being in a unique position to recruit.
** It's hard to tell, but the proportion of Darkfriends in the Whitecloaks also seems to be higher than the norm (at least one of their leaders has been one). After all, what better place for a baddie to hide than in an organisation that considers itself above suspicion and gives the opportunity to sow discord and despair by instigating {{witch hunt}}s?
24th May '16 6:06:54 AM Whitecroc
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Whitecloaks are portrayed as misguided bigots in their persecution of Aes Sedai, but it is plausible to think that their crusade against Aes Sedai is completely justified. Darkfriend frequency in the general population seems to be about .5% - 1% of the general population (going by the Wheel of Time wiki's estimate, though I can't find a good citation for the figure). Since there are about 1000 Aes Sedai, we'd expect the Black Ajah to number between 5 and 10. By ''Towers of Midnight'' it's looking like there are at least 200, and those are just the ones a certain detective uncovered. Conclusion: Aes Sedai are '''20 to 40 times more likely''' to be Darkfriends than the general population. And dangerous ones, too, not people merely dabbling in wickedness. If I'm a guy just minding his own business in Randland, I've got to think "Yeah, the Whitecloaks got it right; burn the Tower to the ground and do the world a favor."

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Whitecloaks are portrayed as misguided bigots in their persecution of Aes Sedai, but it is plausible to think that their crusade against Aes Sedai is completely justified. Darkfriend frequency in the general population seems to be about .5% - 1% of the general population (going by the Wheel of Time wiki's estimate, though I can't find a good citation for the figure).population. Since there are about 1000 Aes Sedai, we'd expect the Black Ajah to number between 5 and 10. By ''Towers of Midnight'' it's looking like there are at least 200, and those are just the ones a certain detective uncovered. Conclusion: Aes Sedai are '''20 to 40 times more likely''' to be Darkfriends than the general population. And dangerous ones, too, not people merely dabbling in wickedness. If I'm a guy just minding his own business in Randland, I've got to think "Yeah, the Whitecloaks got it right; burn the Tower to the ground and do the world a favor."
7th May '16 12:07:11 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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* [[CanonSue Canon Stu]]: Even before entering [[GodModeSue god mode sue]] territory, Rand had shades of this. He was taller than most of the men in his village, is from a race of red-haired and fair skinned desert dwellers (which if one knows anything about ethnicity is completely impossible), gets THREE love interests ([[spoiler: one of whom is a princess]]) who all agree to "share" him, and during the final battle he [[spoiler: not only was able to defeat the BigBad without losing or sacrificing anything but actually gained from it; including a new arm, a new identity, and the ability to warp reality simply by force of will.]]
** Except: He was of Aiel blood because the Wheel required it (strong blood, raised by other old blood, etc etc etc, plus had to be born on Dragonmount), his appearance being explained as inherited from Kari (though Tam and Kari of course knew he was an Aiel and not really much is done to hide it anyways), the three love interests are actually based on RJ's own life, as he at one point had two gf's at the same time with them planning when he'd meet who, and the new body is given to him by what, according to popular theory, was the creator himself (herself?) (Nakomi) because his old was totally used up.
3rd May '16 7:11:19 AM Temporary14
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* [[CanonSue Canon Stu]]: Even before entering [[GodModeSue god mode sue]] territory, Rand had shades of this. At 17 years old in the first book he was already taller than most of the adult men in his village, is from a race of red-haired and fair skinned desert dwellers (which if one knows anything about ethnicity is completely impossible), gets THREE love interests ([[spoiler: one of whom is a princess]]) who all agree to "share" him, and during the final battle he [[spoiler: not only was able to defeat the BigBad without losing or sacrificing anything but actually gained from it; including a new arm, a new identity, and the ability to channel simply by force of will.]]
** Except: He was 20 years old, he was of Aiel blood because the Wheel required it (strong blood, raised by other old blood, etc etc etc, plus had to be born on Dragonmount), his appearance being explained as inherited from Kari (though Tam and Kari of course knew he was an Aiel and not really much is done to hide it anyways), the three love interests are actually based on RJ's own life, as he at one point had two gf's at the same time with them planning when he'd meet who, and the new body is given to him by what, according to popular theory, was the creator himself (herself?) (Nakomi) because his old was totally used up. The "channeling by force of will" is just bullshit. He can't channel. He's simply become some kind of reality warper, as former Dragon Reborn.

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* [[CanonSue Canon Stu]]: Even before entering [[GodModeSue god mode sue]] territory, Rand had shades of this. At 17 years old in the first book he He was already taller than most of the adult men in his village, is from a race of red-haired and fair skinned desert dwellers (which if one knows anything about ethnicity is completely impossible), gets THREE love interests ([[spoiler: one of whom is a princess]]) who all agree to "share" him, and during the final battle he [[spoiler: not only was able to defeat the BigBad without losing or sacrificing anything but actually gained from it; including a new arm, a new identity, and the ability to channel warp reality simply by force of will.]]
** Except: He was 20 years old, he was of Aiel blood because the Wheel required it (strong blood, raised by other old blood, etc etc etc, plus had to be born on Dragonmount), his appearance being explained as inherited from Kari (though Tam and Kari of course knew he was an Aiel and not really much is done to hide it anyways), the three love interests are actually based on RJ's own life, as he at one point had two gf's at the same time with them planning when he'd meet who, and the new body is given to him by what, according to popular theory, was the creator himself (herself?) (Nakomi) because his old was totally used up. The "channeling by force of will" is just bullshit. He can't channel. He's simply become some kind of reality warper, as former Dragon Reborn.up.
23rd Oct '15 9:50:33 AM phantomreader42
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*** Since it's possible to forcibly [[BrainwashedAndCrazy Turn]] a channeller to TheDarkSide, and [[MindManipulation Compulsion]] is a thing, the increased proportion of Darkfriends among Aes Sedai seems less likely to be a sign of channellers being evil, and more a case of evil channellers being in a unique position to recruit.


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* InferredHolocaust: With the Dark One's influence causing massive food spoilage throughout the continent, if not the world, to the point that channelers are routinely needed just to heal food poisoning, it's likely that a significant portion of the population, if not the majority, die of starvation before the end of the Last Battle. And that's leaving out the countries actually invaded by Trollocs.


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* {{Jossed}} - The theory ([[http://web.archive.org/web/20031210122826/steelypips.org/wotfaq/1_dark/1.1_forsaken1/1.1.5_taimandred.html with plenty of arguments]]) that Demandred is masquerading as Taim ("[[FanNickname Taimandred]]"). Even the two pieces of evidence in ''Winter's Heart'' that contradicted this were not wholly believed until Jordan finally settled the matter personally. Some still believe he [[RetCon changed it]] out of spite.
15th Aug '15 12:49:30 PM Leyrann
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**Except: He was 20 years old, he was of Aiel blood because the Wheel required it (strong blood, raised by other old blood, etc etc etc, plus had to be born on Dragonmount), his appearance being explained as inherited from Kari (though Tam and Kari of course knew he was an Aiel and not really much is done to hide it anyways), the three love interests are actually based on RJ's own life, as he at one point had two gf's at the same time with them planning when he'd meet who, and the new body is given to him by what, according to popular theory, was the creator himself (herself?) (Nakomi) because his old was totally used up. The "channeling by force of will" is just bullshit. He can't channel. He's simply become some kind of reality warper, as former Dragon Reborn.
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