History YMMV / TheWheelOfTime

23rd Oct '15 9:50:33 AM phantomreader42
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*** Since it's possible to forcibly [[BrainwashedAndCrazy Turn]] a channeller to TheDarkSide, and [[MindManipulation Compulsion]] is a thing, the increased proportion of Darkfriends among Aes Sedai seems less likely to be a sign of channellers being evil, and more a case of evil channellers being in a unique position to recruit.

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* InferredHolocaust: With the Dark One's influence causing massive food spoilage throughout the continent, if not the world, to the point that channelers are routinely needed just to heal food poisoning, it's likely that a significant portion of the population, if not the majority, die of starvation before the end of the Last Battle. And that's leaving out the countries actually invaded by Trollocs.

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* {{Jossed}} - The theory ([[http://web.archive.org/web/20031210122826/steelypips.org/wotfaq/1_dark/1.1_forsaken1/1.1.5_taimandred.html with plenty of arguments]]) that Demandred is masquerading as Taim ("[[FanNickname Taimandred]]"). Even the two pieces of evidence in ''Winter's Heart'' that contradicted this were not wholly believed until Jordan finally settled the matter personally. Some still believe he [[RetCon changed it]] out of spite.
15th Aug '15 12:49:30 PM Leyrann
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**Except: He was 20 years old, he was of Aiel blood because the Wheel required it (strong blood, raised by other old blood, etc etc etc, plus had to be born on Dragonmount), his appearance being explained as inherited from Kari (though Tam and Kari of course knew he was an Aiel and not really much is done to hide it anyways), the three love interests are actually based on RJ's own life, as he at one point had two gf's at the same time with them planning when he'd meet who, and the new body is given to him by what, according to popular theory, was the creator himself (herself?) (Nakomi) because his old was totally used up. The "channeling by force of will" is just bullshit. He can't channel. He's simply become some kind of reality warper, as former Dragon Reborn.
3rd Aug '15 5:34:33 PM GoneRampant
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* BrokenBase: Mat in the two books (so far) co-written by Brandon Sanderson is either hilarious or acting totally out of character, depending on who you ask. Big points of contention: The "character sheets" in ''The Gathering Storm'' and the [[spoiler:letter to Elayne]] in ''Towers of Midnight.''
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* BrokenBase: Mat in the two books (so far) co-written by Brandon Sanderson is either hilarious or acting totally out of character, depending on who you ask. Big points of contention: The "character sheets" in ''The Gathering Storm'' and the [[spoiler:letter to Elayne]] in ''Towers of Midnight.''

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* BrokenBase: Mat in the two books (so far) co-written by ** Later, when Brandon Sanderson is either hilarious or acting totally out of character, depending was working on who you ask. Big points of contention: The "character sheets" in his own high fantasy series, ''The Gathering Storm'' and Stormlight Archive'', he quipped that if Book 2, ''Words of Radiance'' was a single page longer, the [[spoiler:letter publishing company would be literally unable to Elayne]] in ''Towers of Midnight.''publish it.
12th Jun '15 5:48:51 PM Rozalina
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** Moghedien is arguably a deliberate example of this, exemplifying that for all the all the [[TheDreaded horrific myths]] surrounding them, the Forsaken are ultimately just people, and fallible as all people are. Sure, she's quite formidable when she's the one holding the cards and she [[spoiler:survives the entire series,]] but almost every time she gets her hands dirty it ends [[HumiliationConga very badly]] for her. * ArcFatigue: Sets in around the eighth book and doesn't let up until the eleventh. In particular, Elayne vying for the Lion Throne and Perrin's conflict with the Shaido remnants are generally acknowledged as having dragged on for too long. Even before then, the Aes Sedai civil war arc begins in the fifth book and isn't resolved until the [[spoiler:''thirteenth''.]]

* AwesomeEgo: [[{{Badass}} Demandred]]. * BadassDecay: [[spoiler:Moiraine, who despite facing down four Forsaken and defeating two before her apparent demise, is largely removed from the martial side of battling the Shadow after her return and plays a more advisory role.]]

* CrazyAwesome: Padan Fain's fans tend to see him as this. He merrily skips over the MoralEventHorizon and hosts an evil force all of its own, waging a thoroughly insane war against the heroes and the Shadow alike -- partly for [[{{Revenge}} revenge]], but mostly ForTheEvulz.

* GrowingTheBeard: The first novel can be read as a fine standalone adventure, but it's often said that its first few sequels (particularly ''The Dragon Reborn'') are what really got fans of the series hooked. * HesJustHiding: [[spoiler:Moiraine]] got this in spades. [[spoiler:The belief was vindicated.]]

* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Mat, in spades.

* VillainDecay: It's apparent by the fifth book, if not before, that not all of the Forsaken are worthy of the intense dread their reputation has inspired, especially when fate pits them against the heroes' ever-increasing skills and powers (particularly [[WorldsStrongestMan Rand]]). On the other hand, [[spoiler:Demandred, Graendal, and Moridin]] more than live up to the hype and dominate much of the Last Battle.

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* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Among a cast of badasses, most with one supernatural magic power to invoke or another, and the rest firmly in BadassNormal territory, Min, despite being thrown into death's jaws quite a lot, falls very short. She tries to remedy this by having Thom teach her the art of [[KnifeNut throwing knives]], which she picks up quickly, but she's still little-to-no help (and in one very important case, a dramatic hindrance) against almost all of the enemies she comes up against. Her fans tend to point out that this is somewhat unfair to hold against her, since despite her lack of conventional strength, she's still a very important character.
8th Jun '15 3:04:32 PM Rozalina
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** Elaida, despite becoming something of a HateSink, is a divisive character. Was she a WellIntentionedExtremist doing what she felt had to be done to save the world, [[UnwittingPawn undermined]] by the Black Ajah and DrivenToVillainy in the process? Or was she always an [[ItsAllAboutMe egotistical madwoman]] who leapt at the chance to take over as Amyrlin, sealing her fate through her own follies?

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** Asmodean is killed off relatively early, but is fondly remembered and commonly ranks high on fans' favourite Forsaken lists.

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* JerkassWoobie: Rand in the second half of the series, as the weight of being TheChosenOne hardens his heart and his actions become much more ruthless, ambiguous, and grey, accompanied by him developing a colder disposition and a willingness to commit indefensible acts for the sake of [[IDidWhatIHadToDo doing what has to be done]]. ''Many'' characters worry for where this will take him, and even his oldest and closest friends begin arguing that he's [[MoralEventHorizon crossing lines]]. [[spoiler:This reaches a climax in ''The Gathering Storm'', when after an introspective reckoning on Dragonmount, Rand comes to terms with his destiny and resolves to make things right before his death.]] ** Lanfear arguably fits this, and [[spoiler:Ishamael, of all people, has shades of it in the final books.]]

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* LoveToHate: Most of the Forsaken, particularly Moghedien, who despite being an easily spooked DirtyCoward is one of the most enduring and [[{{Determinator}} driven]] villains in the series.

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* NeverLiveItDown: One of Nynaeve's biggest motivations for joining the White Tower was to put herself in a position to get revenge on Moiraine for plucking the Two Rivers' folk out of their village. This is, on several levels, absolutely ridiculous: in helping the protagonists escape from the Two Rivers, Moiraine not only saved all of their lives, but also diverted the Shadowspawn trying to kill them all away from their hometown. Nynaeve eventually realizes how stupid this is [[spoiler:and even becomes close friends with Moiraine in the final book]] but her detractors are still quick to point this out.

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* ReplacementScrappy: For some, Cadsuane, who becomes Rand's foremost Aes Sedai advisor after [[spoiler:Moiraine's "death."]]

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Asmodean, for some. Rand having a [[DePower de-powered]] former Forsaken as his TokenEvilTeammate and channelling coach was an interesting angle to take, but Asmodean's arc is cut short on the cusp of a true HeelFaceTurn when he's KilledOffForReal.
22nd Apr '15 12:32:12 AM PanzerGeneral
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** After five books worth of build-up, Sammael gets eaten by Mashadar after a short, not particularly spectacular fight with Rand. When questioned about this, [[WordOfGod Jordan]] said that he felt Sammael was a "louse" who didn't deserve a dramatic death, so this trope can be safely said to have been [[InvokedTrope invoked]]. It also doesn't help that you'd swear Sammael wasn't actually killed with a quite striking case of NeverFoundThebody, until Jordan had to step in and clarify that "Sammael is toast."
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** After five books worth of build-up, Sammael gets eaten by Mashadar after a short, not particularly spectacular fight with Rand. When questioned about this, [[WordOfGod Jordan]] said that he felt Sammael was a "louse" who didn't deserve a dramatic death, so this trope can be safely said to have been [[InvokedTrope invoked]]. It also doesn't help that you'd swear Sammael wasn't actually killed with a quite striking case of NeverFoundThebody, NeverFoundTheBody, until Jordan had to step in and clarify that "Sammael is toast."
27th Feb '15 9:30:25 PM intastiel
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Loial's match with Erith. Sweet, but not particularly developed. Like most of the romances in the series, really. Some of the characters are even GenreSavvy enough to realise this is happening to them. Possibly FridgeBrilliance: given how slowly Ogier mature, their relationship is the equivalent of a high school crush. [[Squick And shotgun wedding.]]
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Loial's match with Erith. Sweet, but not particularly developed. Like most of the romances in the series, really. Some of the characters are even GenreSavvy enough to realise this is happening to them. Possibly FridgeBrilliance: given how slowly Ogier mature, their relationship is the equivalent of a high school crush. [[Squick [[{{Squick}} And shotgun wedding.]]
23rd Dec '14 9:28:26 PM DoctorDetective
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** Take a shot whenever someone's calves get mentioned. Finish the bottle if their "well-turned." Again, at your own risk.
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** Take a shot whenever someone's calves get mentioned. Finish the bottle if their they're "well-turned." Again, at your own risk.
6th Dec '14 1:21:28 PM intastiel
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* MemeticBadass: Bela is the Dark One! Bela is the Creator! Bela killed Asmodean!

* StrangledByTheRedString: Loial's match with Erith. Sweet, but not particularly developed. Like most of the romances in the series, really. Some of the characters are even GenreSavvy enough to realise this is happening to them.
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Loial's match with Erith. Sweet, but not particularly developed. Like most of the romances in the series, really. Some of the characters are even GenreSavvy enough to realise this is happening to them. Possibly FridgeBrilliance: given how slowly Ogier mature, their relationship is the equivalent of a high school crush. [[Squick And shotgun wedding.]]
6th Dec '14 3:30:14 AM TrappedinDt
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*** Also, according to [[TrollingCreator Word of God]] Narg was the one [[RiddleForTheAges who killed Asmodean]]! [[Spoiler: Not really.]]
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*** Also, according to [[TrollingCreator Word of God]] Narg was the one [[RiddleForTheAges who killed Asmodean]]! [[Spoiler: [[spoiler: Not really.]]
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