History YMMV / TheWheelOfTime

5th Sep '17 1:40:15 PM Chubzhac
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: As Rand descended into insanity, it became increasingly hard to root for him. The people who tried to manipulate him into turning out for the better however, were not much better on their own. This gets better in the last 3 books, first for the latter, then for the former.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: DarknessInducedAudienceApathy:
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As Rand descended into insanity, it became increasingly hard to root for him. The people who tried to manipulate him into turning out for the better however, were not much better on their own. This gets better in the last 3 books, first for the latter, then for the former.former.
** While the villains are often irredeemable monsters, it can be hard to find enjoyment is seeing them get comeuppance as it often comes in the form of a FateWorseThanDeath, with them typically getting enslaved, tortured, raped and/or {{Mind Rape}}d.
16th Jun '17 3:10:47 AM jmparker78
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* MaleGaze: A truly strange example. There are actually a surprising number of scenes of female nudity, but it's never a woman undressing for a man or a man appreciating the sight. In fact, most of the men who do see it are kind of embarrassed and avert their eyes. There are tons of scenes where a woman wonders if the dress she's wearing shows "too much bosom", but practically zero scenes of a man drinking in the sight of her exposed chest. A woman can't fold her arms without it being described as her "fold[ing] her arms beneath her breasts", but again, it's not meant to be a sexual pose. It's as if Jordan himself wanted male readers to appreciate his female characters' physical beauty (in their minds) without being so "crass" as to have even one of his male characters engage in actual on-page male gaze.
12th Jun '17 10:43:03 AM fruitstripegum
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
** Originally, there was going to be a fourth Two Rivers boy in addition to Rand, Mat, and Perrin. The character ended up being largely peripheral, and Jordan's wife eventually convinced him to drop him.
*** This is actually [[MythologyGag referenced in-story]] when the young man in question, Dannil, muses to Tam early on in the Battle of Merrilor what would have happened if he'd gone with the three main heroes when Moiraine took them out of the Two Rivers.
** Robert Jordan initially planned to write at least two more prequels (one about Tam, and a second about Moiraine and Lan), as well as a sequel trilogy following Mat and Perrin several years down the line (collectively, fans tend to refer to these as "the outriggers"). Unfortunately, AuthorExistenceFailure hit before Jordan produced much material on any of them, and it looks like they'll probably never get written at this point.
** There was originally going to be a subplot in ''Memory of Light'' revolving around the Sharan leader Bao the Wyld [[spoiler: better known as Demandred]]. Unfortunately, it threw off the pacing and forced Sanderson to do a lot more worldbuilding than normal, since Jordan hadn't left a lot of material on Shara. It got cut from the book, but ended up seeing the light of day as the short piece ''River of Souls'' in the ''Unfettered'' anthology.
14th May '17 4:58:06 PM EnglishCanuck
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* FridgeBrilliance: Elayne's inheritance of the Sun Throne and the Lion Throne unites the kingdoms of Andor and Cairhien, and creates the largest and most powerful kingdom in the Westlands. A perfect counterbalance to the Seanchan in the future.
19th Apr '17 9:22:23 PM Scabbard
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* {{Jossed}} - The theory ([[http://web.archive.org/web/20031210122826/steelypips.org/wotfaq/1_dark/1.1_forsaken1/1.1.5_taimandred.html with plenty of arguments]]) that Demandred is masquerading as Taim ("[[FanNickname Taimandred]]"). Even the two pieces of evidence in ''Winter's Heart'' that contradicted this were not wholly believed until Jordan finally settled the matter personally. Some still believe he [[RetCon changed it]] out of spite.

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* {{Jossed}} - {{Jossed}}: The theory ([[http://web.archive.org/web/20031210122826/steelypips.org/wotfaq/1_dark/1.1_forsaken1/1.1.5_taimandred.html with plenty of arguments]]) that Demandred is masquerading as Taim ("[[FanNickname Taimandred]]"). Even the two pieces of evidence in ''Winter's Heart'' that contradicted this were not wholly believed until Jordan finally settled the matter personally. Some still believe he [[RetCon changed it]] out of spite.
5th Nov '16 4:18:13 PM Morgenthaler
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* AwesomeEgo: [[{{Badass}} Demandred]].

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* %%* AwesomeEgo: [[{{Badass}} Demandred]].Demandred.
6th Oct '16 4:40:56 PM MGD107
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* They WastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: After numerous books of Masema being an evil zealot causing all kinds if misery in Rand's name, just about everyone was eagerly looking forward to his inevitably meeting Rand again and being destroyed to discover that he didn't want any of it, and he'd done nothing but make the world worse. Instead, he's anti-climactically killed at the start of "The Gathering Storm," and by Faile rather than anyone who'd personally been affected by him.

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* They WastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: After numerous books of Masema being an evil zealot causing all kinds if misery in Rand's name, just about everyone was eagerly looking forward to his inevitably meeting Rand again and being destroyed to discover that he didn't want any of it, and he'd done nothing but make the world worse. Instead, he's anti-climactically killed at the start of "The Gathering Storm," and by Faile rather than anyone who'd personally been affected by him.
29th Sep '16 8:16:41 AM Pren
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* They WastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: After numerous books of Masema being an evil zealot causing all kinds if misery in Rand's name, just about everyone was eagerly looking forward to his inevitably meeting Rand again and being destroyed to discover that he didn't want any of it, and he'd done nothing but make the world worse. Instead, he's anti-climactically killed at the start of "The Gathering Storm," and by Faile rather than anyone who'd personally been affected by him.
7th Aug '16 7:11:22 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Egwene is probably the most divisive character in the fandom. The fact that she is considered by many to be a MarySue, coupled with a lack of introspection means you either love her or hate her.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Egwene is probably the most divisive character in the fandom. The fact that she is considered by many to be a MarySue, coupled with a lack of introspection means you either love her or hate her.



** The key reason why Egwene is such a BaseBreaker depends on how much the reader might notice how much this applies to her. Because Elayne and Nynaeve spend so much time together, while Egwene separated from them early in Book 4, it's often forgotten that she was just as much trapped as they were before Mat rescued them in Book 3, and that she treated Mat just as badly as they did if not moreso (early in Book 4, there's a scene between Mat and Egwene told through her POV showing us just how much she despises him). Unlike Elayne and Nynaeve, Egwene has never apologized for it nor been made to see that she needs to.

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** The key reason why Egwene is such a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter depends on how much the reader might notice how much this applies to her. Because Elayne and Nynaeve spend so much time together, while Egwene separated from them early in Book 4, it's often forgotten that she was just as much trapped as they were before Mat rescued them in Book 3, and that she treated Mat just as badly as they did if not moreso (early in Book 4, there's a scene between Mat and Egwene told through her POV showing us just how much she despises him). Unlike Elayne and Nynaeve, Egwene has never apologized for it nor been made to see that she needs to.
24th May '16 6:12:48 AM Whitecroc
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Whitecloaks are portrayed as misguided bigots in their persecution of Aes Sedai, but it is plausible to think that their crusade against Aes Sedai is completely justified. Darkfriend frequency in the general population seems to be about .5% - 1% of the general population. Since there are about 1000 Aes Sedai, we'd expect the Black Ajah to number between 5 and 10. By ''Towers of Midnight'' it's looking like there are at least 200, and those are just the ones a certain detective uncovered. Conclusion: Aes Sedai are '''20 to 40 times more likely''' to be Darkfriends than the general population. And dangerous ones, too, not people merely dabbling in wickedness. If I'm a guy just minding his own business in Randland, I've got to think "Yeah, the Whitecloaks got it right; burn the Tower to the ground and do the world a favor."
** They have no way of knowing this, however, and simply assume that every one of them is a Darkfriend. That Aes Sedai have a high proportion of Black Ajah is coincidental and not made public until the last few weeks of the story (and the Whitecloaks have been around for centuries) So, they're still misguided bigots.
*** Since it's possible to forcibly [[BrainwashedAndCrazy Turn]] a channeller to TheDarkSide, and [[MindManipulation Compulsion]] is a thing, the increased proportion of Darkfriends among Aes Sedai seems less likely to be a sign of channellers being evil, and more a case of evil channellers being in a unique position to recruit.
** It's hard to tell, but the proportion of Darkfriends in the Whitecloaks also seems to be higher than the norm (at least one of their leaders has been one). After all, what better place for a baddie to hide than in an organisation that considers itself above suspicion and gives the opportunity to sow discord and despair by instigating {{witch hunt}}s?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Whitecloaks are portrayed as misguided bigots in their persecution of Aes Sedai, but it is plausible to think that their crusade against Aes Sedai is completely justified. Darkfriend frequency in the general population seems to be about .5% - 1% of the general population. Since there are about 1000 Aes Sedai, we'd expect the Black Ajah to number between 5 and 10. By ''Towers of Midnight'' it's looking like there are at least 200, and those are just the ones a certain detective uncovered. Conclusion: Aes Sedai are '''20 to 40 times more likely''' to be Darkfriends than the general population. And dangerous ones, too, not people merely dabbling in wickedness. If I'm a guy just minding his own business in Randland, I've got to think "Yeah, the Whitecloaks got it right; burn the Tower to the ground and do the world a favor."
** They have no way of knowing this, however, and simply assume that every one of them is a Darkfriend. That Aes Sedai have a high proportion of Black Ajah is coincidental and not made public until the last few weeks of the story (and the Whitecloaks have been around for centuries) So, they're still misguided bigots.
*** Since it's possible to forcibly [[BrainwashedAndCrazy Turn]] a channeller to TheDarkSide, and [[MindManipulation Compulsion]] is a thing, the increased proportion of Darkfriends among Aes Sedai seems less likely to be a sign of channellers being evil, and more a case of evil channellers being in a unique position to recruit.
** It's hard to tell, but the proportion of Darkfriends in the Whitecloaks also seems to be higher than the norm (at least one of their leaders has been one). After all, what better place for a baddie to hide than in an organisation that considers itself above suspicion and gives the opportunity to sow discord and despair by instigating {{witch hunt}}s?
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